These ‘fell off’ comments are already boring.

"I'm physically coming" didn't help 😂😭

As a Stronghold main on Titan, blocking is only 2/3 of gameplay. You can still attack, and you should so you can get that Restoration buff. Plus, sword kills proc Banner of War. Lament also heals you on swordstrikes, so idealy youre getting constant healing, and also Woven Mail when picking up orbs and breaking tangles.

32:06 "This build is not meant to be a high-slaying build". Yes, yes it is Cross. Strongholds just make you not die, Lament and Banner of War handles the slaying part. You just don't understand how to use the Exotic, even after like four build battle submissions featuring it. Block to avoid things like splodey shanks and thrall, otherwise you just block enough to trigger the exotic perk to get restoration. Then you go to town and murder everything, which you can since you are on Strand Titan. When your restoration runs out, block again to get it back. You CAN use it like you did, as a tank, but then you really need teammates that pull their weight. You CAN stand there and just block the tormentor, or you can time your blocks to its attacks and swing at it yourself while it's not actively attacking you.

9:48 im loving this conversation btw

17:18 lol the green light from the strand build screen is triggering the green screen on cross's face

Cross still needs to work on his sword skills with strongholds but this is much better than last time, actually using a subclass that has synergy with swords and whatnot. A tip for lament when using the charged up attacks is to not move during the attacks otherwise you phase through the enemy.

Can we get a RIP for all the brave guardians who’ve gone head-to-head and lost? Without them this awesome content wouldn’t happen (RIP Les).

Weirdly enough on the same team these builds would be great together

The beauty of buried bloodline and felwinters helm is that it can refresh the 30% debuff from felwinters. Many people don't know that the reapplication of weaken extends the strongest weaken effect applied at the time. The only exception to this is Hunter tether, as its 30% weaken effect will be removed after the tether is gone.

Also a 24/7 Lament / Sword Titan player: Indeed, Strand combinded with stronghold is incredible! Done all GM's last weekend and I gotta say, if you know how to use a sword properly you'll be tanking a whole room whilst cleaving down any champion in your way. Also great way to revive fallen allies with ease. The only thing that can screw you up is getting grabbed by a tormentor. Protip, Never use all the ammo of your sword, because even with 1 ammo, you could kinda block forever. Happy slashing guardians!

I had so much fun playing this with Cross and les, THANK YOU so much for the carry cross!

I love it when cross finishes every last enemy 😊

1:06 lmao the green from strand on his face is making his face partly invisible

There have been some banger builds lately. Both of these were pretty unique. I may be biased, but I hope the vesper vs. abbient leap build battle gets uploaded.

DUDE I FUCKING LOVE LAMENT STRONGHOLD there's so much nuance to it. it's a cool and rewarding playstyle and I fucking love it the strand build Cross used is not that great for onslaught, honestly. it's unnecessarily tanky. just slap on sunshot or something. incoming wall of text and nerd tips: run atleast 1 lucent blade. never go full tank, move constantly. scoot around with titan skating. both strafe and catapult lift have their pros and cons, but both are good in the long run. every titan should already be used to constant jumping to go fast. if you don't have restoration or war banner, chip damage will hurt a lot. air attacks are always quicker than ground attacks. if you have things actively shooting you and you want to kill an add/proc restoration quickly, go for an aerial light attack. it clings to enemies like crazy and has less recovery frames. Lament aerial combos deal a bit less damage and the Lament aerial heavy is unreliable at best. go for them when you feel they are needed. grounded attacks are best for dealing actual damage. they rarely miss. they have their uses for neutral play too, gotta get a feel for it. obviously, try to not run out of ammo. use ammo efficient single target damage specials, low maintenance primaries. this helps with ammo economy a whole lot, as you won't need to use lament on damn everything. solar specials are especially great, double dip on surges and scav. you can run ad clear specials if you want, but i don't find it as good personally. hoping for a solar special sidearm. this is one build where running a kinetic primary is more than acceptable. they're good at base. you don't need any surges on those, hell, some don't even need a damage buff. attrition orbs / kinetic tremors multimach, and explosive payload / firefly fatebringer are my favorites. don't go for long ranged primaries, since you're not gonna be in the back, like, at all. you're not as invincible in hard content. let anything melee you without block or any high damage resistance / overshield, and you're either on your deathbed or a wasted revive token. if you don't have healing on, you can suffocate under chip damage. exploding units are genuine threats. trading hits should be avoided, as it can be devastating. if you want to take this build to legend and master difficulties, and especially GMs, you gotta learn it, or you're gonna be really frustrated most importantly - expect major jank. destiny melee is fucked. your hits might not register, your heavies might tp you behind your target or miss entirely, your strand melee might stop working after blocking, sword lunges might break and not move you at all, etc. it is what it is, be ready for it

31:43 Fun fact: Wormgods caress does increase your sword DMG, you just can't use your sword to stack burning fists. Since its change at the beginning of the season it also increases your WeaponDMG with each stack you get. A lot of people forget that.

Both builds after my own heart, a finisher build and a stronghold build. Gotta say as a Stronghold main I agree with cross though, Strongholds relies a lot on your teammates ability to deal with ads. The gameplay loop of being able to push very aggressively with strongholds is much better in Grandmasters than it is in Onslaught, partially because we still don't have a perfect sword to pair strongholds with for the scenario. We need some kind of aggro drawing exotic sword of some kind, or one that can passively deal damage while guarding, but as of now the vision just isn't 100% there.

I love seeing the strongholds/lament combo in play. I use that ALL the time to run support tank. Just run around. pull agro, grab res when people drop, pop super when you're bored. SO good

You dont even need lament outside of boss phases or GM champion. Using thin precipice can spawn unravel and threadlings like crazy making you an add clearing monster. You just need one teammate on aeons or cenotaph and you are literally unkillable.

i watch the intro every time… it flows really well

Whew glad to see Les

Watched this Build Battle yesterday. Was really surprised how well the Fellwinter’s build did, but also thought the Titan “Tank” build was hilarious to watch. Although the Titan build was very good, my one thing about it is that is takes you out of the battle and makes you solely the tank. Whereas other games allow you to be the “tank” and still deal out dps. Still a great Build Battle to witness. Fun stream!

I am once again suggesting to try this with severance enclosure! Not just cross, YOU!!! TITAN!!! READING THIS COMMENT!!!! USE IIIIITTTT

I like to run a very similar strongholds build using stasis. LOVE IT!

9:36 there's actually an answer in the lore for this. they would come back still needing to go to the restroom. that's the whole reason Drifter gutted his ghost. he died from starvation and every time he'd be brought back he'd still be starving and die again from it.

I really like pairing Felwinter with Solar because the snap can make an ignition on any target if you angle it downward to the floor. If one of the little fireballs of the snap kills an add near a beefier enemy that you hit with the snap, it will activate Felwinter's Helm before the enemy has finished igniting, so that one enemy is gonna end up weakened and exploding at the same time, basically getting fucking obliterated out of existence. It's hilarious. Also that big ignition/weakening nuke you make with your snaps are giving you more melee energy back if you are in the air when you have the Heat Rises aspect equipped, which is really easy to do if you just jump right after starting an ignition. You can get full melee energy back instantly if you kill a big enough group.

So the way i use stronghold basically resembles the felwinter build here, to do a lot of finishers, spawning threadlings as a way to do safe dmg, with proximity ward and healthy finisher, fragments are warding, continuity, finality and evolution, using 2 lucent blades and a reserve mod for the sword, otherwise the rest is similar. This tank build shines a lot more in GM, going into the frontline to draw aggro, enemies attack you instead of your team, keeping them safe in the back to dps. As shown by Cross here, tanking dangerous targets like Tormentors completely neutralize them as a threat, and normally you can suppress/blind/suspend them, its not the case for boss variant Tormentors like here in onslaught. The best use case is when tanking a boss to bait their stomp attack over and over, your allies never have an easier time just worrying about melting down the boss

I use strong hold but with bubble titan with bastion/offensive bulwark aspect. I have an old falling guillotine sword with energy transfer. You spam overshield the more u get damage. The only downside is its more of a defensive/juggernaut build. Fyi you can tank anything with stronghold x100 perfect guard with mods in the chest piece as long as it doesn’t get behind you or revive your teammates while you block. It seems like it deflects the damage back

That Well was incredible

That’s my strand thing and stasis as well. Adding buried to darkness builds synergize so well because it gets you that form of healing you are missing on strand and stasis (I play hunter)

I use my variation of the Strand Felwinter's Helm all the time, glad it got submitted!

These vids actually got me back on Titan

The way cross said “To the right” was weirdly wholesome lol

One cool thing about Felwinter's helm is that the weakening wave seems to also "stun" enemies when they get affected, it's like having weaken and blind at the same time

Both of these builds are crazy! As a titan main i need that tank one

I run a Severance Enclosure Titan most of the time and the threadling generation on finisher is awesome. Finish the small/medium targets, generate tons of threadlings, lets the threadlings chunk down the beefy targets, kill or finish the big boys, rinse/repeat. Add in the constant explosions from SE and it's a good time.

Ah I was actually in the stream for this one. Felwinters helm was really good

I've been using buried bloodline and haven't taken it off since onslaught came out. I love that gun.

That " im cumin " sounded like arnold schwarzenegger when he talked about cumin backstage. Cross your a legend

The Stronghold/Lament combo is insane been using it a lot before the Winterbite poke. To make it better you add back in some damage and utility by using threadling/finisher generation for ad clear since the unraveling stuff is pointless.

It may be worth running special ammo finisher over the one that regenerates your health. both are a little overkill, but that’s just something super small

That well was amazing

I run a severance enclosure build very similar to that felwinter build, it's been great fun, but I'm absolutely jealous of felwinter's weakness debuff. Maybe when Prismatic launches I'll luck into a soul of severance/soul of felwinter mark and run with Facet of Defiance for open choice of jolt/scorch/slow/sever/volatile.

3:06 me too man, me too.

I love this series!

So i just found out that you can proc the weaking effect from felwinters with the adu battery by getting a kill with it. It's nice

Great video. 1 thing I did want to point out is you can in fact finish explosive shanks/thrall without proximity ward. The animation knocks them away before they explode.

I like strongholds on stasis. This makes me want to try a cold steel sword with our stasis artifact perks

I actually fuckin love these vids. Good shit Az

Tormentors' grab ability usually requires you to be at some minimum amount of range. If you're in point-blank range, they probably won't even start the animation to grab you because their slam takes priority.

A build so good it made cross come and finish all over the place

I love using this warlock build and just thought I was the random who used it and now it’s on a Cross video 🔥

Coming and going at the same time would be the best way to go!

I gotta say that the SH gameplay here was very solid from Cross, the only issue is the weapon selection. You can use Wavrframes like Tusk or Forbearance for great add clear and a utility/ranged special or primary

I use a similar sword build but I rock stasis. Ammo encon is fine with lament. Orange bar exploadies won't pop till close to edu unless you get their health low. You can easily tank bosses while your team fires them down.

People are gonna think I got this build form you now.. been using the stronghold build to stay alive at all costs, only had a couple losses on onslaught due to the acu dying

I like how whenever he looked at Strand, his screen would light his face green and for as long as he was looking at Strand, he was transparent

Cool builds but both the links in the description are the same. Edit: you fixed it thanks

Felwinter can actually apply its debuff when you kill enemies with objects (Like the batteries)

I need more out of pocket conversations during build battles 😂 makes it more interesting

That ability to stun the exploder units while summoning tracking attackers to finish them off is so clutch.

Felwinter’s helm ALSO WORKS WITH POWERED MELEE ATTACKS. You don’t need to always use finisher, in order to proc the debuff. Throw a melee instead 😅 this build is all finishers only when you use void for invis

I actually really like both of these. The Titan one is very useful by the Warlock one is way more fun.

I though BoW Lament was cooking until I found my void double bubble trouble build. Using the titan exotic glave and wormgod caress. I even use the glave shield to keep my lvl 3 decoys alive during tormentor attacks.

I just used the felwinter build and had ridiculous fun

I use the Felwinter's on Strand but with grapple grenade. The melee creates three threadlings.

That first build is 🔥.

Just getting started, but *shocked* the strand build isn't running the tangle->melee energy fragment.

I went from absolutely loving ONSLAUGHT to thinking that it's all right, the moment I started playing with a team of 2 Orpheus Rig and 1 Shards of G. You literally can't lose and the grind became repetitive but very efficient.

For that strongholds build. I myself use Thronecleaver as the sword of choice, then ratking as the exotic. Gives you some extra survivability and invise to get out of s sticky situation, and thronecleaver has some crazy damage to deal with anything i need to. Special I havent settled on yet honestly. controlled burst fusion, hell forebarence would be great for add clear, but ratking is probably good for that. probably best with a controlled burst fusion

I tried this during the last of the neomuna campaign...was able to tank the 2 tormentors and calus with the exotic guantlets and the heavy sword..it was greaaaat!!!

Ashen wake and fusion nade? It’ll probably fall off quick but it’s fun just destroying enemies and getting your grenade back immediately

Finishers on explosive enemies do not kill you. The corpses get sent flying and only explode as they land (even if they get vaporized). Still a good idea to rock Proximity ward though in case you knock the corpse at other explosive enemies to avoid being killed by chain reactions.

use the chair finisher to increase the range of the of the weaken or explosion effects

9:49 yeah its like morning wood

I just used the felwinter build and it’s slaps hard

Well locks have a curious brain. There I was, wave 10 on Legend and I’ve been slaying with a Stasis Winterbite Triton Vice build and despite being able to shred mini bosses. Boss time came, literally asked for a well on the boss and the warlock just placed it at the back and there I was with my Winterbite. Clearing ads, basically useless with no form of healing. Yes, got almost 900 kills with Winterbite when all was said and done. Chain Reaction shot with Triton is OP with Winterbite and Edge of Concurrence, but due to low ammo economy with Winterbite, has to be used sparingly.

Felwinters on void would go even crazier. Finisher invis plus volatile finisher, plus final blows while surrounded gives super energy

Strand-Tank is what got my fireteam through Legend Onslaught and countless GM's. There's a huge value in having one teammate who cannot die.

the effects from the pit of heresy sword should be applied to your sword from stronghold, so u could reflect projectiles but at the cost of guard energy and maybe make it refund guard energy on projectile hits idk just an idea

This warlock build is like a piece of cheese in the fridge. When you're drunk you think "ho, is this a cake?"

They could almost make a catalyst for lament that has something to do with pulling aggro. Id enjoy that haha

I’m finishing everywhere now!!!

You should be using the second build with stasis and navigator, then you can have 2x resto woven mail and stasis overshield plus fragment that makes u take less dmg from frozen enemies. Also you could use a weapon that has land tank, then you'll literally take 0 dmg

I run a renewal grasp lament build where I get resist x3 within the duskfield and pretty much only a tormentor can kill me

Stonghold build op

The stronghold build was the right idea but the wrong sword, I have a build that I use that utilizes it and throne-cleaver is the sword you wanna use. Incandescent and tireless blade fixes that ammo economy problem then for bosses you switch to a surrounded role for throne-cleaver.

I used strongholds to distract Crota on day one it helped the team a lot

I'm not a titan main, but when I do play, it's almost always strongholds. Strongholds with banner of war is a nasty combo. That being said, the felwinter build I still liked better because it was so much more interesting. Maybe it's just because I already use that stronghold build a lot, but I haven't even looked at felwinter in years.

I've been running a very similar Felwinter Strand Warlock build for 6-8 months. Man I feel stupid for not submitting it to Build Battles. Mine uses Monte Carlo with Strand Grapple and Weavewalk. You can proc the Warlord's End debuff with a charged melee, a finisher, your grapple melee, and a finisher from the safety of Weavewalk immediately back into Weavewalk. Hope Warlocks enjoy the power of Strand Felwinter.

You don't die to finishing exploders - unless there are other exploders around it that blow you up right after ofcourse.

Does the first build work with quicksilver and indebted kindness instead?

With stronghold while fighting a tormentor keep restoration up you can survive his grab attack np

as a forensic sci, confirm the last room on the right with crazy chinese paper on it is the crime scene.

Man the title for this video reminds me of FMA, specifically what lust and greed are known as aside from lust and greed… now I’m curious, is the title and FMA reference?

“I am prepared for this moment” … where is that from???😊

Use the bequest with surrounded then use that exotic arc sub machine gun to have 50% resist to arc dmg passively . Even more tanky !!!!

That titan build seems like something that will randomly be the best thing. But nobody knows where yet.

I can say with some degree of confidence my grandfather died fully torqued, servicing his wife. Shoutout to gramps