Speed 400 VS Hunter 350 | Can Triumph Beat Royal Enfield at Their Own Game?

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Today we got the chance to put the Royal Enfield Hunter 350 or HNTR 350 head to head with the Triumph Speed 400. Triumph saw how well RE is doing in the small capacity sector and they wanted a slice of that pie!
But can the speed 400 beat RE at their own game, in this video we find out which is the best motorcycle. we talk about the handling, looks, performance, stopping power, price point and more…
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@romeldias
@romeldias 10 күн бұрын
You guys are probably the first to pit these two against each other and this absolutely makes more sense than anything else! Great review as always!
@roadrunner2757
@roadrunner2757 10 күн бұрын
No i dont think. Speed 400 competes against KTM Duke 390, BMW G310r, Honda CB300r, MT 03, and all other 300-500 cc naked bikes Speed 400 looks Retro but it is more of a Naked Sports bike
@sudharshangarg8936
@sudharshangarg8936 10 күн бұрын
The Speed 400 was meant to be a RE 350-500 cc killer in India. The classic + meteor + hunter sell some 50k pieces a month. Triumph and Harley (the 440x) both are aiming squarely at this market. It is sort of working with Speed selling an avg of 5,000 units per month. Though I personally feel that the Speed has a much peppier engine meant for Indian cities (crowded af) while the longer stroke Hunter is for the highway
@romeldias
@romeldias 10 күн бұрын
@@sudharshangarg8936 and in the international market as well...Triumph has only ventured into this category because all the manufacturers are seeing the numbers RE are doing even internationally in this segment!
@roadrunner2757
@roadrunner2757 9 күн бұрын
@@sudharshangarg8936 i dont know why you said longer stroke engine of hunter for highway. I have seen hunter cannot run continously on Highways either. Whereas Speed 400 can do 800kms (maybe more) easily in a single a day. I have done close to 650kms in a single already that too in 9 hours
@vincesacca5025
@vincesacca5025 10 күн бұрын
Royal Enfield is a nice-looking simple bike. I don't want to deal with a radiator, water pump, and fan etc. Simplicity is the best for me.
@knottytoob
@knottytoob 8 күн бұрын
Nailed it. K.I.S.S.
@RupertUtley
@RupertUtley 8 күн бұрын
That’s exactly it - same with 411 and 450.
@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555
@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555 4 күн бұрын
That's why l have an xvs950, not much air cooled cruiser choice apart from an HD.
@saddle8bag
@saddle8bag 10 күн бұрын
BTW, Royal Enfield was the best thing that ever happened to Triumph. Around here, Triumph can't keep these little 400 bikes in stock they sell so fast.
@JustPete-wm1fy
@JustPete-wm1fy 10 күн бұрын
Same in Pennsylvania
@nandadityaswami7452
@nandadityaswami7452 10 күн бұрын
I got mine in 2 months
@antoniodossantos9525
@antoniodossantos9525 9 күн бұрын
O mesmo aqui no Brasil, aguardando a minha👍
@joaoah
@joaoah 10 күн бұрын
Here in Brazil we have both, but the speed 400 is 50% more expensive than the hunter, so they don’t compete with each other.
@breninblablabla3818
@breninblablabla3818 10 күн бұрын
Tenho uma Hunter, num futuro não tão próximo, vou ter a Hunter 450, aparentemente vai ter a mesma qualidade e ser no mesmo nível da triumph, fora que no Vale do Paraíba (SP) não tem concessionária Triumph
@42much1
@42much1 10 күн бұрын
That is what I was thinking how the triumph is so more expensive here in Brazil. It should be around 26 grant here.
@ripster36
@ripster36 9 күн бұрын
Same story in India ! (Both are made in India) Speed 400 is here considered as Premium motorcycle whereas RE was never considered as "Premium" in India.
@mfcodes
@mfcodes 7 күн бұрын
Same thing in Colombia. Triumph is a premium brand here, the Speed is like 40% more expensive than the Hunter (actually, it's called HNTR here) and so are spare parts and services.
@raphaelborges2430
@raphaelborges2430 5 күн бұрын
Tem a Osten em SJC. Concessionária Triumph​@@breninblablabla3818
@nicholasfox3670
@nicholasfox3670 10 күн бұрын
Great to see you broadcasting together. It flows well.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 10 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@rogerhenry3481
@rogerhenry3481 10 күн бұрын
This Speed 400 owner is frankly IN LOVE with his Triumph! I live in Southern California, near Malibu, and have been derply enjoying riding the tightly curved Decker and Latigo Canyon roads, but also the long sweepers on Mulholland Highway. As mentioned in the video, the Speed 400 is ideally designed and calibrated for such riding. From my perspective, that of veteran rider, nearly 60, the Speed 400 is as close to riding perfection I have encountered.
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 10 күн бұрын
As someone a bit older than you, I tend to agree. The handling is really amazing....very flickable yet very stable and secure in the turns. The ride is also very comfortable. The light weight, combined with the surprisingly perky engine, really makes it a blast to ride. It reminds me of my early riding years when I rode a Honda 305 Superhawk.
@AjayTeluguGuy
@AjayTeluguGuy 7 күн бұрын
Yea S 400 is the perfect bike but for a second bike ...simplicity and city/daily riding re is better... Although i expected better mileage given its lower stats
@ChancellorBeeHaw
@ChancellorBeeHaw 10 күн бұрын
14:48 this whole sequence was quite funny, and quite informative. love the fact you’re both just genuinely trying to figure out the difference in the seating position whilst doing this funny back and forth
@trevorholman1542
@trevorholman1542 10 күн бұрын
I have a Triumph Speed Twin 1200, which I love, but I like to keep her clean, so don't take her out if the roads are dirty, because frankly she is a pain to clean. I recently purchased a Hunter as a second bike. She does not get dirty, as the great mudguards keep the crud of the engine. She is blacked out, so much easier to clean, a quick wipe or a light spray is sufficient. This means I'm able to ride when the weather has been bad without worrying about getting her dirty. Yes the Triumph 400, is probably a better bike, but because of the design, I wouldn't want to ride her on dirty roads, for reasons given earlier, consequently less riding time. The Hunter for a back road Bimbler is certainly a good choice, and very importantly for me, easy to live with.
@PhilipBallGarry
@PhilipBallGarry 10 күн бұрын
From a Speed Twin 1200 rider, that's high praise indeed 😊. To be honest, each of these bikes appeal to a different customer. I've often found that I ride with a different mind set depending on which bike I'm on. The Hunter embraces the feeling you get when gently bimbling along enjoying the scenery. Like my CB300R, the Speed 400 probably enjoys being ragged and is great fun if a little more focused. Either way, great fun whichever the bike.
@splodge5714
@splodge5714 10 күн бұрын
The Triumph is a much better bike all round. Performance, weight, comfort, looks, finish, reliabiity, servicing, resale value and best of all more fun.
@greatkingrat
@greatkingrat 10 күн бұрын
Completely agree. 5000km servicing on the RE vs 16,000km on the Triumph tells you which has more quality.
@captainpugwash788
@captainpugwash788 10 күн бұрын
A few of those points are facts. The rest is completely subjective nonsense.
@morri03
@morri03 10 күн бұрын
The Triumph is a Bajaj with a Bajaj engine with Triumph designed engine covers etc.. still the real comparison will be when the Sherpa engine goes into a Hunter chassis
@santiagovalenzuelaa7944
@santiagovalenzuelaa7944 9 күн бұрын
Yes, RE is Just merchandising and poor quality
@adi_1706
@adi_1706 9 күн бұрын
​@@ahshisan NO
@The1977andi
@The1977andi 10 күн бұрын
Great video, if i was after a 2nd bike id go for the RE but if i could only have 1 bike then it would have to be the triumph.
@ElwoodPDowd-ed7pc
@ElwoodPDowd-ed7pc 10 күн бұрын
I liked my Hunter and I rode it all around, it just lacked a bit of power, especially up hills. I traded up to a Speed 400. The seat on the Speed 400 is not as comfortable as the Hunter and I can’t get used to the buzziness in the bars, on longer rides my hand goes numb. Otherwise, the power the Hunter lacked is definitely apparent in the Speed 400. Also, I miss the center stand, especially when maintaining the chain. Lately on the Speed 400 (only 2800 miles) my check engine light is on and it always takes me turning the ignition key on / off to get it started. Talked to dealer / mechanic - they said it’s a known issue since 2023. Something to do with the chip in the ignition key not communicating with the immobilizer unit. To keep enjoy riding until Triumph creates an update to the firmware. Never had an issue with the little Hunter.
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 10 күн бұрын
The engine has double the power, so the vibration will naturally be higher. However, I don't find it that intrusive when cruising up to 65 in 6th. Get some gel filled riding gloves. It cuts down on the numbness considerably. Haven't had any electronic issues at all with mine. Solid as a rock. Hope they get yours sorted out.
@ElwoodPDowd-ed7pc
@ElwoodPDowd-ed7pc 10 күн бұрын
@@johnstone7697 thank you for sharing your experience and the info, much appreciated.
@sergentcolon1
@sergentcolon1 7 күн бұрын
@@johnstone7697it doesn’t always follow that higher hp results in more vibration, it’s more down to engine design. Years ago I owned a BMW F650 single which had 50bhp and didn’t find it buzzy at all.
@saikrishnathiwakarrk
@saikrishnathiwakarrk 5 күн бұрын
Yeah i have heard that and seen that with my friend's who had 400x scrambler and then a hunter. When asked how are they he said "i think the hunter is slow but when it sees the prey , it hits it with deadeye precision, the 400 on the other hand literally runs with the prey and then takes it down." I agree 💯 with what he says 😂.
@ElwoodPDowd-ed7pc
@ElwoodPDowd-ed7pc 5 күн бұрын
@@saikrishnathiwakarrk interesting analogy … i tend to agree. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
@thejoefowler
@thejoefowler 10 күн бұрын
I had a Hunter and put 3,000 miles in it in 8 months. I loved that bike. Loved it. But I couldn't go faster than 70mph and couldn't get on the freeway. I would take side streets to get anywhere. So, heartbreakingly I sold it and upgraded to a Bonneville. Which has the same basic style and size dimensions and riding position. Love this new bike and can take it anywhere now. I've put more than 2,000 miles on it in the last two months. The 350 single was a great starter bike, but it was time to grow up.
@scarecrows1705
@scarecrows1705 10 күн бұрын
Exactly my experience, I went from the Classic 350 to a T100 .
@adi_1706
@adi_1706 9 күн бұрын
RE 350 engine is underpowered
@user-rd3ou5ev6o
@user-rd3ou5ev6o 9 күн бұрын
Purely an american problem. Here the speed limit is 70 mph, even on 'freeway', so there's not much point to having more power.
@michaelpatterson9185
@michaelpatterson9185 9 күн бұрын
If you like to go fast why are you wasting time on the 350/400 class of motorcycles?
@markxt2
@markxt2 7 күн бұрын
Rode both of these recently, and believe it or not , the triumph with that bit more power was encouraging me to ride in away ive been trying to get away from. Where the hunter was just perfect, out of those 2 i would go hunter , but i recently bought the Meteor 350 in Aurora Green, and over the years i have come to understand that the best bike is the bike that puts a smile on your face and makes you feel awsome , which doesn't involve anyone else's opinion 😎 good review guys as always 😎😎😎
@Grumpy-Goblin
@Grumpy-Goblin 10 күн бұрын
I know looks are subjective but I have no idea how you could find the Hunter better looking than the Speed 400 but each to their own I guess. It has to be remembered that Royal Enfield prices have come down but even at £1000 difference I think the Triumph beats the Hunter on looks, performance and looks a more premium product with better components which all adds up to a more complete package.
@Disposalist
@Disposalist 9 күн бұрын
I don't think it's a case of one beating the other, because they are different enough they don't really compete. The RE is relaxed and easy, but struggles to get much over 60 (or did with fat old me on it). The Triumph is desperate to get up to speed, but is a twitchier modern ride. With the price difference too, I can't see many punters seriously weighing one against the other.
@Disposalist
@Disposalist 9 күн бұрын
Still a good video to make though as you can bet some people will want to compare them!
@mikaelpettersson2389
@mikaelpettersson2389 10 күн бұрын
For me, the choice is dead easy: Triumph. Cheaper, 2x as long service intervals and hece half the service costs, double the performance. Nicer engine sound, much better suspension... if I hadn't already ordered a Guzzi when I tested the Triumph, I might have bought it on the spot!
@ck3289
@ck3289 4 сағат бұрын
RE is launching Guerilla 450 based on liquid cooled sherpa engine used in Himalayan in August ! That would definitely beat Triumph in looks and performance !
@garryclarke-kray4071
@garryclarke-kray4071 10 күн бұрын
I’d go for the triumph, more power to cope with modern traffic
@PhilipBallGarry
@PhilipBallGarry 10 күн бұрын
Thanks guys. An excellent video that nobody else really wanted to make 😊. Some very good points raised, and a lot of these echoed in the excellent comments.
@claudebernard1059
@claudebernard1059 10 күн бұрын
Exactly the comparison I was looking for. Thanks, lads!
@FunWithAJ
@FunWithAJ 10 күн бұрын
Id go with the triumph of these two. That said i give RE the most respect as they woke many manufacturers including Triumph up to the fact that sub 600cc can sell like hot cakes
@williamnethercott4364
@williamnethercott4364 10 күн бұрын
That was a good idea, a very useful comparison.
@kwakithailand
@kwakithailand 10 күн бұрын
Great comparison VDO, lads 👍
@sbsb4995
@sbsb4995 7 күн бұрын
A single cylinder is the best ❤❤
@GapBahnDirk
@GapBahnDirk 10 күн бұрын
You two are the voice of reason and common sense. I loved that review!
@AndyFletcherFletch
@AndyFletcherFletch 10 күн бұрын
You both make watching YT videos fun! Thanks for the side by side. New rider here and I bought a classic 350 because of you. Considered bothe the Hunter and the Meteor, but went for the looks and comfort of the Classic! I love love love it!. Wanted a little more speed and picked up the SM 650. Cost effective and so fun to have both bikes for different types of rides Thanks! Keep these coming!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 10 күн бұрын
Many thanks, and great to hear 👍🏼
@richardelford1923
@richardelford1923 10 күн бұрын
The Triumph is a more modern take on a classic theme. The Royal Enfield carries more of a traditional take with careful updates. I chose the Speed 400, it's just better allround!
@andrewvickers4487
@andrewvickers4487 9 күн бұрын
Hello guys, well done for covering this, I'm sure this is one comparison fans of either bike won't want to miss. Really enjoyed hearing your thoughts and top job all-round as always!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 9 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@stevesteve1965.
@stevesteve1965. 10 күн бұрын
Like to see the RE Scram 411 alongside the Triumph Scrambler 400x.. thats what I'd be looking at if i wanted this engine sized bike, i think thats more of a interesting comparison
@brianchristensen1475
@brianchristensen1475 10 күн бұрын
Great Vid again, I really like your content generally, but when you are reviewing together i feel you get a more nuanced review! Great Job!
@tomstockell9481
@tomstockell9481 10 күн бұрын
Good comparison 👍and please keep the vintage bike rides coming - really enjoyed that
@itskyb
@itskyb 10 күн бұрын
Triumph for me. With any luck I will be able to look at both the Speed and Scrambler today.
@selenahairston9292
@selenahairston9292 5 күн бұрын
I love my Royal Enfield ! Great for a beginner I feel super comfortable
@user-kx4ql3vh4p
@user-kx4ql3vh4p 10 күн бұрын
Hi, I find it better now that you're working together. The content is a winner . Good luck. 😎👍🏻
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 10 күн бұрын
Glad you think so!
@MindfulMotorcyclist
@MindfulMotorcyclist 10 күн бұрын
Loved this one guys. Good back and forth and great small capacity bikes. My cuppa tea for sure!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 9 күн бұрын
Pleased you enjoyed it 👍🏼
@Sankara561
@Sankara561 6 күн бұрын
Meteor 350s are currently discounted to 2999+OTR, Hunters can't be far off. I agree with the Old Man that the Royal Enfield is the better deal, at 5k the Triumph is more than halfway towards a Honda 500, or Benelli or CFMoto 450 etc, all of which are substantially more of a bike.
@sathishrao7926
@sathishrao7926 2 күн бұрын
Couldn’t resist the price tag of $3.5K and got the Speed back in September 2023 as my second bike.. Can’t be happier about it.. Speed is the better looking of the two to my eyes..
@JoJo-hc4dj
@JoJo-hc4dj 10 күн бұрын
Both are lovely bikes, I agree the styling of the Royal Enfield is better ❤
@the_winged_helm
@the_winged_helm 10 күн бұрын
I have the Speed 400, and I agree! The Hunter definitely looks more elegant and a proper retro with the traditional forks, halogen lamp and that beautiful tail end design! I picked the speed because I wanted a classic looking roadster, but with decent performance and modern components. Just wish they had gone with a simpler (and more effective) headlamp, black front fork cylinders and a more retro tail end design like the Hunter.
@charbum
@charbum 10 күн бұрын
I feel the opposite. I like the speed 400 styling better personally.
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 10 күн бұрын
The 350 with its 20HP reminds me a lot of my Suzuki TU250X, with its 16 HP, but weighing 100 lbs less than the RE. From the reviews, the performance of the two seems to be pretty similar . For me, on US streets and secondary roads, it was just too slow, making me feel unsafe.. My Speed 400 is hardly a rocket ship, but it can easily pull away from cars at stop lights and get up to 60mph quickly enough giving you that extra margin of safety. Drivers in the US these days are always in a hurry (and distracted), and you need that acceleration to "keep you in the game". I can't stand constantly being passed while on my motorcycle. As for looks, while the Classic is very cool, the Triumph is certainly no slouch. I've gotten tons of compliments on mine, which has the red/gray tank.
@motorbikerscosmeticcompany1594
@motorbikerscosmeticcompany1594 9 күн бұрын
The triumph is more what younger riders will go mad for I think. It's kind of what the Japanese were doing in the 80s, a fast nimble mid size bike. They're both great for what they are but I think the Triumph has it here. Great comparison.
@0Patroy0
@0Patroy0 10 күн бұрын
I really appreciate your way of making videos, it's like watching wine tasting or something :D
@silkycherry
@silkycherry 10 күн бұрын
RE all the way for me. They are just fun and relaxing rides. 👍
@roadrunner2757
@roadrunner2757 10 күн бұрын
Trust me you will be Surprised the moment you test ride speed 400
@nandadityaswami7452
@nandadityaswami7452 10 күн бұрын
Try the triumph It is relaxed and got the power to go unrelaxed whenever needed
@jez6208
@jez6208 10 күн бұрын
Very interesting. As always. Tough decision. I own a classic 350 and I love it. I like the Triumph but tbh, if I was going to buy a second bike, I'd want something larger. I'm hanging on for the Classic 650. Love the show. Keep it up. Oh! And the old man's spiffy boots were great! Got my wife's attention anyway. 😂
@MikeNoble
@MikeNoble 8 күн бұрын
Older rider here and now that they put radiators on bikes I’ll never get an air cooled bike again. Summer heat is enough without the engine heat radiating up on me. Both look great. Great review.
@forkrust9296
@forkrust9296 7 күн бұрын
I say that is an issue but the fans usually kicks in fast. Cause these bikes are designed and manufactured in India for Indian climate and roads. So the heat in India is excruciatingly hot, so the manufacturers knows these problems and try to work it out. Europe heat should not be that big of an issue. However if you are in Middle east or a place where its as hot as India or more then water cooled is the way to go.
@user-op6pd1fu2l
@user-op6pd1fu2l 10 күн бұрын
Great review, I agree the Hunter is better in looks but it's the Triumph Speed 400 that I like more mainly due to better engine performance, more suited for the riding I would do. Here in New Zealand the price difference is only $405 NZ.
@Aitch412
@Aitch412 10 күн бұрын
Enfield looks, Triumph power... jobs a goodun... in the end I went for the Triumph Scrambler... being a lanky 6 footer the Scrambler fitted me. better... the lack of power of the Enfield was the deal breaker... At least with the Triumph, power is on tap for the odd motorway/A road excursion... Ride safe lads...😎👍
@ralphrotten1639
@ralphrotten1639 10 күн бұрын
Have a RE Classic 350. Did the cam, decat, DNA air cleaner, 16 tooth sprocket and Fuel X lite. Improved performance dramatically and still has the classic looks. If I want to go fast, I'll ride my Triumph T120. So I'd pass on the Triumph 400...
@NoFrictionZone
@NoFrictionZone 10 күн бұрын
Great comparison guys! Both of these bikes were on my list. I chose the Speed 400, in my area I need the extra power. Plus I actually love the looks. Funny that both of those colors were my choice. 🤙🤙
@LowQualityPigeon
@LowQualityPigeon 10 күн бұрын
Big fan of RE but its really hard to recommend RE after riding the speed 400 personally. What a great bike it is and they are selling really well here in India. Im thinking of getting one for myself now after i had a test ride a month back.
@roadrunner2757
@roadrunner2757 10 күн бұрын
I own a Speed 400 from past 10 months. Now both these bikes are way too much different. Speed 400 is a Hoonigan, and have Heart like Sports Naked bike. Speed 400 carries lot of quality. Hunter 350 is just a cost cutted classic 350 thats it.
@AmfnD
@AmfnD 7 күн бұрын
I purchased the hunter after selling my Suzuki M50 cruiser. I wanted something small, playful, and cheap. Its hard to beat the price on these for what you get. More importantly, it is simple to work on and my goal was to mess with it and make it faster. It has all the right touches of modern, but feels like working on the 80's bikes I started on. I dont regret the decision. Its plenty fast for commuting on non highway roads, and it sounds fantastic. Fuel X smooths out the throttle, DNA gives it grunt, and once i get the cam and remove the cat, it will be a ruckus little bike. Sure, in the end I may spend more than just having picked up the triumph, but the fun along the way, and experiencing the transformation is priceless.
@codingwithk5725
@codingwithk5725 10 күн бұрын
Yes, the Hunter speedometer is off-centered to make way for the tripper navigation which can be purchased as an optional extra.
@jubei6802
@jubei6802 10 күн бұрын
Nice.. love the loose father son talk in the end like a conclusion. Good shit boys!🤜🤛✌️
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 10 күн бұрын
Thank you 😊
@joedudz
@joedudz 5 күн бұрын
Triumph may be the choice in the UK but in India and far east price is king so RE will take the mass market.
@2wheeledwillie395
@2wheeledwillie395 9 күн бұрын
Great video guys 👍
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 9 күн бұрын
Thanks Willie 👍🏼
@MRo55i74
@MRo55i74 10 күн бұрын
Love the speed 400 it’s a great bike
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 10 күн бұрын
Agreed!
@colinpettit3448
@colinpettit3448 10 күн бұрын
I know it's a strange reason but it has to be the Enfield because I won't consider any bike without a proper front mudguard. Styling over practicality again
@davidlight4659
@davidlight4659 10 күн бұрын
Looks like a bonneville? It's definitely a compliment in my opinion. I agree that the dial design goes to Royal Enfield and both dials should be centered. By the looks of the front forks and muffler Triumph wins those two categories. I like the front turn signals on the Enfield, but I like the look of the Triumph larger headlight better. If I had to choose a test ride of both would definitely be required....and fun😁
@pfroo40
@pfroo40 10 күн бұрын
If it were my only bike, I'd go for the Triumph, it can handle highway speeds more comfortably and is generally more spirited to ride. If I were buying a second "around town" bike, then I'd pick the RE, as the power difference doesn't matter much at low speeds, and the RE has a lot of charm.
@Ganesh.krish0212
@Ganesh.krish0212 5 күн бұрын
I am looking forward to the day you guys get your hands on the new 2024 Husqvarna 401. It took my breath away, literally. Adjustable suspension, really good electronics, looks gorgeous, rowdy engine. Darcy, you seriously need to take it for a spin.
@loddude5706
@loddude5706 10 күн бұрын
Hmm, at 5'8" with a 31 & 5/16ths" inside leg (thankfully both sides), I can see that Triumph making a nimble little 'cafe racer'- with 40bhp on tap, it's Shirley Worth an alloy tank, rear-sets & short bars - just to blow the nose-bag off Enfield's rather 'Dobbin' GT's AND have lots of fun without necessarily throwing your license straight through the nearest judicial shredder. Maybe I'm just an old hooligan eh? : )
@RichardWilliams-kf5vw
@RichardWilliams-kf5vw 10 күн бұрын
Regarding the offset Speedo on the Hunter, if you don’t want a Tripper nav pod, Hitchcocks sell a rev counter that fits in its place.
@aceofspades5786
@aceofspades5786 10 күн бұрын
Both are excellent and refreshing to see new models of smaller capacity bikes. Waiting to see if Honda take the bait and a reincarnated CB400 four comes available.
@MrJulianneave
@MrJulianneave 10 күн бұрын
The 400 four would be targeted at a much higher performance and sportier segment than these two though. I occasionally used to ride a 1975 cb400f. Pretty fun bike.
@mikaelpettersson2389
@mikaelpettersson2389 10 күн бұрын
The Triumph is cheaper than the RE in Switzerland... 😅
@tomoates8568
@tomoates8568 10 күн бұрын
Before these Triumph 400s came out I used to toy with the idea of getting a Hunter to customize into a scrambler. With the Triumph Scrambler 400 just being about 1500 dollars more it wouldn’t make sense to dump so much money into a hunter vs just getting the scrambler
@petrtr7602
@petrtr7602 Күн бұрын
I don't drive very fast, but I try to drive safely. And safe driving includes fast overtaking - long overtaking means more risk...so of these two laps I'd definitely pick the triumph
@chrisdagnall8666
@chrisdagnall8666 8 күн бұрын
Great review, really worked well with you both doing it, being able to have a conversation about the bikes between you helped the review. For these two I would pick the Triumph, I actually think as a town bike the RE 350’s don’t work as they do not have the power to get away from traffic so again the Triumph for me. However if this comparison was Triumph with the Classic, I would pick the Classic as for me the looks are what appeal to me and I would use it for country lane bimbling and the power wouldn’t matter.😊
@AdamForeman
@AdamForeman 8 күн бұрын
I think there's two different markets here. Firstly, the first classic/retro style aircooled motorcycle that draws the nostalgia in the older biker community and a great little Sunday rider that more likely has full licence. Secondly, the A2 licence biker looking for a modern classic bike that can keep up with traffic on motorways and commute back and forth to work and has that extra BHP/torque to give you that excitement around the twisties.
@VerryJerry90
@VerryJerry90 3 күн бұрын
I’d just keep the Hunter as a second bike just for the city. Just can’t ignore how gorgeous it looks. For 4 grand idc how much power it has at that point
@skotty1962
@skotty1962 10 күн бұрын
I do love my Hunter. Upgraded suspension front and rear. DNA filter and cover. Mini crash guard and flyscreen. Mandatory Quadlock on the bars. Great little commuter. Some decent tires next. Thanks chaps.
@snakesocks
@snakesocks 3 күн бұрын
I am biased, but one of the guys at work showed me the electrical wiring harness of the Hunter 350. It was an absolute dog's dinner of a job. They're nice on the outside, but RE's often show where they've cut some corners underneath.
@andro8886
@andro8886 8 күн бұрын
I think it's better engine, technology, comfort, quality vs better design. Triumph feels like an all-rounder.
@greatkingrat
@greatkingrat 10 күн бұрын
Once again, if you can afford the triumph go with that. The service intervals alone tell you the quality difference. 16,000kms vs 5000kms, it’s not even close! I have a T100 2021 and an Interceptor 650. 9,500kms in and the interceptor 650 has blown its gearbox (spacer between gears broke, went around the gearbox and damaged everything). 8 months wait for parts to come and repair to be done. Totally have lost faith in the brand. Also I have ridden the hunter. It is fun as all motorcycles are but completely runs out of legs on the motorway (above 100kph/60mph) which can feel a bit dangerous. I disagree that the Triumph is less suited for city riding. It’s completely suited and at 179kg vs 181kg, the triumph is lighter!
@frankensteinsgarage9632
@frankensteinsgarage9632 4 күн бұрын
For me its the Trumpy all day every day. The added performance, better handling and for me i prefer the looks. The rad doesnt bother me. The Trumpy looks more playful, more modern, but still has a nice throwback. I would enjoy the RE for just cruising around a beach road on a sunny day. Every other day, I want something you can grab by the scruff of the neck, and the bike asks for more.
@Thegeordiemonkey
@Thegeordiemonkey 10 күн бұрын
Still yet to try the speed, rode the 400x last week on demo and loved it other than the clutch lever and handlebar angle killed my arthritic thumb, hopefully speed rectifies this , went off Enfields after sitting on them, just find them very heavy for what they are although i like the looks.
@richardjohnson3463
@richardjohnson3463 10 күн бұрын
I haven't tried the Triumph yet but had a Hntr out for a test tide. I see you're Enfield had a loose rear view mirror, so did mine! 😄.... The lack of performance would put me off the Enfield also it felt small to me and too twitchy somehow. Great value though both of these!
@alexugurie
@alexugurie 10 күн бұрын
I fell for the Hunter's looks and that hasn't changed with the emergence of the triumph single. Whilst 40hp is enticing, for me the deal breaker is the Hunter's long stroke engine with it's low down torque and ability to plod along happily and comfortably at the lowest of speeds, ideal for exploring the smallest of lanes whilst enjoying one's surroundings. Having fallen in love with the Hunter, I don't mind spending some money on any mods that make the bike happier than Euro regs would otherwise allow: DNA wide open air filter with a decat pipe and stumpy 225mm end can from Delkevic have improved manners, performance, and sound tremendously without losing any of that low end grunt which has remained as smooth and accessible as ever. With the engine so much freer, it can even hustle a little. I took a gamble with the non regulation exhaust can but I can now say I'm more than delighted with it. The short 225mm option was the only one that would fit without touching the side luggage racks. I was concerned it would be uncomfortably loud. However, with baffle in, it is loud but not too loud. It's certainly not offensive with normal relaxed riding. Best of all, the can simply amplifies the character of the long stroke single with nothing hooligan about it. (However, the stainless steel exhaust with a near vertical down pipe does change the bike's blacked out and rakish aesthetic somewhat, but nonetheless adds character in a more old world way).
@steveoswin6084
@steveoswin6084 10 күн бұрын
19:29 Have to totally agree with you Alex! I have pretty much done the same to.my Hunter I have also added the fuel x pro plus and it goes like stink without taking away the character of the standard set up ! I'm glad you highlighted the concern of the Delkevic downpipe it seems they have followed the form of the Himalayan/ scram 411 which looks out of sorts with the downtube frame angle,,I have highlighted my concerns the Delkevic if more customers who bought this do the same maybe they might reconsider the design .
@roadrunner2757
@roadrunner2757 10 күн бұрын
These TR series engines are crafted in such a way, that speed 400 have good amount of torque in low RPM's i glide through traffic sometimes 3rd gear on, No throttle no Clutch it glides through traffic easily at a speed of 20-25kmph
@nandadityaswami7452
@nandadityaswami7452 10 күн бұрын
Man try the triumph It has such good torque low down that you don't feel that it is a short stroke engine Triumph 400 is the best thing in motorcycling world Quality, fit n finish, simple, good performance and the price
@alexugurie
@alexugurie 9 күн бұрын
The fairly steep steering angle is an important characteristic that also attracted me to the Hunter. I was curious what that would feel like, as it was my intention to learn slow speed riding skills (I'm 68 now and slow speed skills were not part of the driving test back in the day). Since I've had the Hunter I've already learnt how to do figure of 8's comfortably within the width of 20' / 6mtrs and also to do continuous circles in that space (a much more demanding a task on my V-Strom). The hunter's geometry is both confidence inspiring and incredibly forgiving in tight spots. I expected to have the odd tumble whilst practising, but so far that hasn't happened yet. As to stability, the lighter the grip and the less input on the bars, the better (watch Moto Control's KZfaq channel for How-To and research based advice on bike handling). As to 'no hands' riding in a straight line, the Hunter feels more stable and reassuring than my '08 650 V-Strom, which too is an incredibly planted bike. PS, I feel no compunction to test the Triumph 400, as I have the V-Strom for when power, speed, distance, or carrying capacity are of concern.
@orange42
@orange42 6 күн бұрын
I thought the quadlock vib damper was just going to be marketing spin but was amazed at how well it works.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 6 күн бұрын
Yes it really is fantastic!
@thepodbaydoorshal
@thepodbaydoorshal 10 күн бұрын
Nice boots, Ol’ Man
@dans2971
@dans2971 10 күн бұрын
Very happy with my RE Continental GT 650.
@ajakeasmanfan7880
@ajakeasmanfan7880 9 күн бұрын
I just bought the speed 400 it's fantastic
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 9 күн бұрын
Awesome to hear 👍🏼
@richardeyers322
@richardeyers322 10 күн бұрын
what stopping me buying is each other,i like both,
@AjaySingh-228
@AjaySingh-228 10 күн бұрын
Triumph Speed 400 is the better bike for performance-oriented riders who are willing to spend more money. The Royal Enfield Hunter 350 is a good option for budget-minded riders who prioritize style and slow-speed handling.I am a huge fan of Royal Enfield but I am not happy with hunder 350 🥴 🖤
@kriscotner7105
@kriscotner7105 10 күн бұрын
Great video!!!! Id pick the Speed 400 right now but the new RE Guerrilla 450 coming out in July will be more of an even match to the Triumph and it will have more authenticity as a actual RE than the Triumph Speed 400 being perceived as a badge engineering job
@the_winged_helm
@the_winged_helm 10 күн бұрын
The Speed 400 is more of a modern roadster with modern componentry, but a classic design. The new RE roadster will be more traditional in that sense, but the power will be on par with the S400. I do hope RE playes with the sprocketing and gear ratios to make it better for the low rev city performance compared to the Himalayan 450. But that is something RE generally doesn't do, case in point being the different 650s with same gearing. But it will be a more interesting comparision for sure!
@johnstone7697
@johnstone7697 10 күн бұрын
@@the_winged_helm What will the RE weigh? As much as I like their bikes, I find them rather heavy and a bit slow to respond on the handling side. One of Triumph's big advantages with the Speed 400 is its light weight.
@the_winged_helm
@the_winged_helm 10 күн бұрын
@@johnstone7697 for most of the RE bikes, you'd be right. But there isn't much difference in weight between the S400 and the Hunter. However, I understand that the rear suspension on the Hunter is not setup well. The Triumph definitely has the more sophisticated setup.
@JimAli3831
@JimAli3831 9 күн бұрын
Great video. You should do rebel 500 against eliminator 500. That would be close I think 👍👍
@kennethszpindor1723
@kennethszpindor1723 10 күн бұрын
I will stick to my interceptor and guzzi v7 stone se lol
@vishnunarayanan6232
@vishnunarayanan6232 10 күн бұрын
I always knew the hunter 350 was gonna be a small bike but then here's this man, riding it, he looks like he's riding a Mini Moto
@Vote.ReformUK
@Vote.ReformUK 10 күн бұрын
The problem with the Royal Enfield is if you want that style of bike you'd buy the Triumph. That engine better suits the Classic 350, I think most people that want that experience would want that styling and not this one.
@sergentcolon1
@sergentcolon1 7 күн бұрын
People are making a lot about the difference in service intervals for these two bikes, but for a lot of U.K. owners who tend to be older riders who mostly ride in warmer, drier months it’s irrelevant as both bikes will need to be serviced annually and the bikes will be serviced long before milage requirements say. I used to own a HONDA CRF250L which had 8000 mile or 12 month service intervals, guess which always came first?
@sho_k1
@sho_k1 10 күн бұрын
Im gonna be "that guy" in the comment section who says.. "Nothing beats the classic 350". 😁😁
@00Resev
@00Resev 10 күн бұрын
...except the Bullet 350...meh... 😛
@Staromil
@Staromil 10 күн бұрын
I'm gona be that guy that tells you "only if chrome is really your thing or the ergonomics of the Hunter are not your thing and you are more like a rocking chair type of guy"
@LeStraTele
@LeStraTele 10 күн бұрын
I do like the classic and bullet. Nice vintage styling.
@PhilipBallGarry
@PhilipBallGarry 10 күн бұрын
​@@Staromil 😂. My rocking chair rocks 😎
@drmachinewerke1
@drmachinewerke1 9 күн бұрын
Funny reading these post . I ride a intercepter 650 And I ride it daily on gravel and dirt roads . 6 mile each day . I have many bikes . Seriously a barn full . I'm thinking of the 350 because it is just cool . And I want one The triumph is over priced here in the center of the USA . 6500.00 Fact is I may fly to LA if I buy the 350 . And ride it back to Kansas City .
@lgwappo
@lgwappo 4 күн бұрын
I'd like R.E. to bring back the 500. I like under-square air-cooled singles but speed limits where I live are 70-85 mph for highways. Another 5 mph would make a difference.
@xplaur
@xplaur 5 күн бұрын
I love them both, even I'm more of the Ol' Man stature. Still eyeballing the 1200x while riding a SuperTénéré!
@HeinzLammerding08
@HeinzLammerding08 9 күн бұрын
Love the minimalistic designs from Royal Enfield and these long stroke engines give good thumps
@85waspnest
@85waspnest 10 күн бұрын
Both are good looking bikes but at 6ft 2in I'd go for the RE Scram 411, especially at the moment when many dealers are selling them off at £3700. I'm tempted as a second bike for Winter use when my Honda CB 1100RS is hibernating.
@BlueRidgeRider
@BlueRidgeRider 10 күн бұрын
Thanks in part to your reviews I traded my Hunter for a 2020 V7 Stone. Extremely happy with my choice! I had the Tripper on the Hunter just to balance the looks. Didn’t like the function of the Tripper. The Moto Guzzi also has the speedo offset. A minor annoyance. The Quadlock with vibration damper is HUGE compared to the Peak Design phone mount, and they all come with vibration damping. Why do you care what you look like on it? The best way I can improve my looks is a full face helmet!😂 To me it’s all about the feelings.
@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378
@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378 9 күн бұрын
SO different engines... Enfield has a long stroke and a small bore (ratio 0.84),, whereas the triumph is a high reving big bore short stroke engine (ratio 1.4). One aircooled with a single overhead cam and 2 valves,, The other water cooled and a dual overhead cam with 4 valves.. Just wished that RE would have given the J series bikes 15 % more power and shaved of 25 pounds on all their bikes.350cc bikes.. A old all metal BMW R27 with its single 250cc cylinder and shaft drive had a curb weight (with a full tank) of 162kg. If the enfield could match the weight of the triumph and have 24hp it would attract more buyers. One norweigan huy moded his classic 350.. A new performance camshaft, and a moded exhaust and airfilter, and his 0-100 time was a lot better... BHP UK is working on a remap of the J series engine.. they will probably release a new clip of the 350cc soon .
@veritasvincit2745
@veritasvincit2745 10 күн бұрын
Couldn't choose between these. I'd be equally happy with either as a second bike. No shortage of choice thesedays.
@user-ec9dh2oh5e
@user-ec9dh2oh5e 9 күн бұрын
Wow how nice to film in the grounds of your own HOME....😉😉😉😄.........
@Tobias611
@Tobias611 10 күн бұрын
Lovely comparison, maybe the Scram 411 vs. the Scrambler 400x next? 🤔
@romgl4513
@romgl4513 10 күн бұрын
I do like RE, but between these two, I would go for the Triumph, probably.
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