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Oh yea she did forget to mention that WangYiBo and XiaoZhan were not allowed to contact each other publicly anymore. Since that time they are almost never in the same space or stage, they can't even look at each other. It's really sad because they rlly were the BEST bros before the crisis. They both lost a great friend.

Something that I think is very important to note as an avid A03 user (I don't ship real people), is that it is simply an archive completely run on donations. You CAN write whatever you want on there, BUT fics supposed to be clearly tagged and marked if they contain any sensitive or morally unacceptable behavior. To read that material, you have to actively seek it out. All the original fans who reported the fic actually just brought it to the attention of the masses when it would have just been fine if they hadn't said anything. AO3 has very few rules intentionally because it is supposed to be a place where anyone can write anything, and although I do not agree with writing about illegal or inappropriate age gaps in a positive light, there are contexts where writing about them can allow for people to vent or represent their stories that they do not see in media. I feel like reporting the site did no good whatsoever because the true fault is on the reader who clicked on the fic anyway even after reading the tags first. Idk but I feel like if an author tags "inappropriate age gap" or "illegal relationship" and you read it and get mad that it contains an inappropriate age gap or illegal relationship then you need to get off the site entirely. If no tags were warning the readers of the content, then reporting the fic to the site could actually work because that one of the most important guidelines for AO3: do NOT mis-tag fics.

People mistake Wang Yibo reserved, introvert personality as cold and rude but tbh he is just straight forward honest he don't sugar coat to please someone and I love that about him beside he is super talented artists and humble grounded in gernal

39:37 Oh you're soooo wrong😭😭😭 Fanfics are jus like traditional novels except their characters and events are inspired from fiction/real person.. but the writings are gold (in case of ao3)!

55:33 idols aren’t responsible for their fans. Just because you are a public figure, doesn’t mean you have to take responsibility of the whole public. They just come on stage to express their art, not to make some crazy fandoms. I don’t get why idols are criticised for these toxic fans

OMG YES TO WANG SICONG VIDEOS!! He’s called China’s national husband because he’s the only son of a Chinese billionaire, and this family actually owns AMC theaters. Stephanie’s Chinaverse videos are also crazy

Stephanie’s personality from Rotten Mango to her other videos is just insane 😂 Pls react to toothpick Wu too

My best friend was one of the "I am a commoner, I hate Xiao" people who doesn't even use AO3. It was like a politically correct thing at the time that if you don't hate him or diss him, you are a bad one. I cannot do this not just because I watched Untamed and liked him but also because I knew he was absolutely innocent of this. I am still proud that I never followed the "mainstream" canceling him during 227 because a grown-up should have critical thinking skills and think independently.

Actually the reality he gone through was exactly like the plot of the drama .how massive The Untamed was until it also impact the reality life of him.then,this is the reason why u guys should watch the drama..

Wang Yibo is reserved not just with girls but also with kids or any other guys. He takes a lot of time to become comfortable with someone. Even when he met Xiao Zhan, they were quiet and very reserved. Although Xiao Zhan is also kind of reserved but his personality is sweet and kind. Wang Yibo can come off as savage, which might make him appear rude, but he really loves his personal space. He's quite close with Xiao Zhan after 'The Untamed.' anyway what happened Back than was a past & was pretty unfortunate but karma is real. Now both of them are respectable & top-tier actor in China and popular worldwide & extremely loved by their fans.

Honestly for me the controversy help remove the toxic fans in his fandom and have only the most loyal ones remain. On top of that he got the sane general public on his side. A lot of casuals in Weibo are saying the way these marginalized group treated him is insane. Many who aren't even his fans started supporting him becuase of it. His selling power is insane! Majority of his fandom are 30+ years old so they are working professionals who can afford to buy & sold out even the most expensive things he sell. It's crazy! I think in the end... it work out for him well.

What happened to Xiao Zhan literally brought tears to my eyes, he did not deserve any of it. He was at the peak of his career💔 His comeback live performance was gave me goosebumps! You could see how nervous he was and im soo glad that he was able go bounce back and gain his popularity once again. I still sometimes watch that live performance.❤ At that time, i was a lil mad about how his co-actors were not coming to his defence but i guess given how the netizens react, that was the right move. But a sweet friendship was ruined, a mans career was temporarily on a stand still, many companies lost money, many ppl lost their source of comfort and freedom and many ppl left with broken hearts. No body gained anything from this meaningless incident. I can’t speak much about his acting career as I’ve only watched him act in the untamed and haven’t watched any of his other series or movies but the man’s got insane talent when it comes to singing, i absolutely love his singing❤❤❤

This whole incident is so ridiculous. Why the poor guy had to suffer? What's wrong with people? China is really anti-LGBTQ+ community, that's why you'll rarely see any explicit BL or even a single gay celebrity. Xiao Zhan is a very kind and talented actor; he wasn't recognized by people back then, but that doesn't mean he was the worst actor because he's not. Yes, Wang Yibo's personality is a contrast to Xiao Zhan's, but that's who he is, and his fans love him for it. Wang Yibo and Xiao Zhan were very close, and many clips from behind the scenes made people wonder why Yibo is sweet to Xiao Zhan but rude to others, which he wasn't. It's just his cold personality; no one can do anything about it. He doesn't speak much, but with Xiao, he was a non-stop talker. So I do understand the shippers, and you know what? They are not allowed to work together after this incident, no public appearance together. And the most overwhelming thing is there are still millions of fans supporting them even after 6 years (as YiZhan), their ship name. That's the impact of them & "The Untamed" on people is.

I just want to elaborate that of all fanfiction platforms AO3 is by far the most organized one. It has system, it has rules, it has legal protection team and its a very good safe place for self expression. And fanfiction from AO3 is known to be mostly of very good quality, we're talking about MASTERPIECE level works. If Wattpad is mostly for less experienced writers and just writing down your fantasies, AO3 is like next level. Of course, still a lot of poorly written stuff, but generally is more "professional". Also, all unapropriate stuff should be tagged and have warnings, so you have to CHOOSE to read it yourself, no one is making you read it.

You missed the moment where author deleted all of their social media and AO3 and the fanfic included. So no, it wasn't just the fans wanting to take down this fic specifically, they already did it but didn't stop.

You guys got to do more chinaverse videos, they all went crazy😂😂😂😂

Also XZ was famous even before TU not huge like now but definitely not d-list actor as she mentioned. I have been following him long to know that. I love both the artists they are good in what they do.

Xiao Zhan becomes even more immensely famous he is the artists who have most no of luxury brands as global ambassador his selling power is insane, also in my opinion ao3 is shitty lmao. They should blame govt instead of him no matter what there gov is still controlling lgbt community they don't even see them as normal human so weather XZ do something or not if anything can bring impact is those people asking fair treatment for LGBT to govt not a celebrity who f did nothing. I am happy he is doing amazing I will forever support him no matter what bcs he is talented and humble what fans do have nothing to do with him nor define him

The people who wanted Xiao zhan to talk about the impact of that on marginalized community are delusional because he lives in China, you want him to say sorry to something is censored by the government and it would cost him his livelyhood ... I think whatever he would have said at that moment, it would not have gone well

1:53:38 The red sea didn't last 8 seconds but it took 8 second for the arena to turn red!!

What I have come to love about Yibo is that he gives his 100% to everything people say he can't do and prove them wrong. He couldn't speak confidently so he spoke through his dance. He was called a bad actor, so he proved by being the youngest nominee for Golden Rooster awards. He never gives explainations to his actions, barely smiles or interacts. Just goes on working hard everyday..

I still feel bad for Xiao Zhan cause he was definitely a victim of this whole situation.

You need to understand how crazy china's fandom culture, black marketing, anti attacks, & government power over every person to understand the whole situation here.

The more you listen to steph babbling about Chinaverse, the more Wang Sicong name will stuck in your head 😂😂😂 and then you'll end up listening to all her gossip videos, all the mukbang videos with DanDan and then you get to know her family 😂😂😂

I read fanfiction a lot. Some authors are better than published authors nowadays 😅 (ao3, not wattpad)

I can't help but cry every time I see that red ocean, see his face without knowing if he still had fans who will support him without knowing anything, and see his little face and hold back the urge to cry 😢 😭, Xiao Zhan didn't deserve anything from what happened to him but here he is stronger than ever ❤❤

There is a video of him talking about it and how incredibly difficult it was for him. He suffered a lot because of this bs. When it happened I was scared he would do something stupid. It’s also „interesting“ to watch his video where he talks about the hardships during filming the untamed. Hardly getting any sleep, injuries, allergic reaction to the „rain“, his eyes are often bloodshot, because of the „rain“ and his co-actors telling him to eat, because he didn’t really eat and lost a lot of weight and he wasn’t „heavy“ to begin with.

I have to push back on one comment made in this video: "It's a fanfic. [...] its delusional." That statement, along with the previous and post statements, really undermines fanfiction as a whole. Yes, there is some really out there, really crappy fanfics available online, but that is not the majority. I've read and written many a fanfic before, and I can tell you that there are some seriously talented writers out there with some wonderfully executed storylines. I'm not here to argue the efficacy or morality of shipping real people in fanfics, I'm a "It is, what it is." type of person and can disconnect the real world implications because its FICTION, but I draw the line at people saying that its just shit writing across the board. Fanfiction is just like any other medium, any other art, it has its pro's and con's. But, to dismiss it entirely, based on anecdotal incidences of "fanfics gone wrong" (like the Twilight fanfic "Masters of the Universe" ie. 50 Shades of Gray) is to belittle a lot of real work and talent, the world over. Side Bar: The implication that fanfiction is "not real media" is insulting as hell.

Ok, guys, I don't usually comment on your vids (I can't remember if I ever actually have and I haven't even finished watching), but I just wanted to warn you that the way you guys keep talking about A03 and fanfics in general, is gonna have a lot of people pissed at you. A03 is a creative writing platform that millions of people worldwide use daily. The site follows few but strict guidelines and some authors do and have been reported and removed/banned from the site for not following those guidelines. One of those very important rules is "Tagging", basically the author is responsible for ensuring that whatever controversial content that MIGHT be included in their story is properly "tagged" at the very start so people don't get a nasty shock when they read. For example, if a story could potentially contain underage relationships, abusive relationships, SA, violence, child abuse, murder, illegal activities, etc....Then the author is responsible for letting the readers know at the very, very start so they can CHOOSE whether to read or not. It's not supposed to be a shock and if you don't support what's written, you can just not read it. It is a place where many, many authors (myself included) go to practice their writing and storytelling skills. The people who use the site go there to find escape, comfort and release from all the shit humans go through on the daily. True, there are a lot of very shit stories, poorly written and terrible to try to get through all the confusion that it creates (and, yes, there are THOUSANDS of stories about relationships with minors that also exist on the platform, this fanfic was not unique in any sense, unfortunately).....But there are also wonderful stories, golden gems that people even print out, bind and make a hard copy book version to keep in their libraries. Yes, there are amazing fanfics and writers on there too. I understand that you might not be familiar with the platform, but it's a matter of respect, please don't make generalised statements like "fanfics can't be taken seriously" or that "all fanfics are confusing in nature" or even "there is no moderation of the site", because it isn't true and it comes off as ignorance. It would be like saying content creators and KZfaq reactors do not have or cannot have real jobs. Which is incorrect since doing the things you guys do takes a lot of work sometimes. It's the same for fanfic writers. YiZhan forever ❤

1 wang yibo was pop even before the untaimed 2 wang yibo also was bullied at that time thats why he didnt take any series after that untel this year after 6 years 3 yibo is not rude he is introvert thats why and he is the most actor with stalkers in china so just imagine at that age and all this happend to you

1:01:31 its like when a kid goes to their strict parent to complain about the stolen candies being distributed unevenly among the kids! Like.. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN INVOLVE A PARENT IN THAT SITUATION😭

To be honest, the only problem I had was the fans didn’t report the artist they didn’t report it to the creator of the website, the CEO, the people who are control, they reported it to the Chinese government. People don’t understand that AO three is somebody’s career. It can be someplace where they can get their financial income, communities for people who feel like they are not supported by the people around them. This place was so big and it’s still big all over the world but it’s been a removed from a big chunk of the world and that’s what people got mad off of. I don’t understand why they, they implanted the idol into the situation but still I partially think it was the fans who reported it fault because if they just left it alone, if they didn’t like it and just you know, reported it to the people who can particularly remove the fanfic this situation would be over an instant.

As a Chinese person and part of the "marginalized community" experienced 227 firsthand, I've seen countless videos both from China and from outside China talking about this, and the opinion is so polarized. Even this year on the 27th of February, Chinese netizens would still see videos about "we will never forget 227" and people would still feel uncomfortable being around fans of Xiao Zhan. It's a totally opposite reaction to like western media covering the topic. The reason why, I feel, is because of cultural differences. In China, well, in East Asian culture, fandom is completely different from the Western concept of fandom. Fandoms especially of idols, are organized communities with lots and lots of profit in them. In my experience, western fandoms are mainly about the person they like. If you like a singer, go to their concerts, buy their albums, recommend them to your friends, and that's it. In East Asian fandom, however, fan build their identity on their idols, they build their life around their idol, and no matter what people say, the reality is that idols regulate the fandom. Well, probably not the idol personally, but their agency. A lot of the "big fans" in an East Asian fan group are in charge of organizing the fans. They order normal fans to purchase merch, go to event, vote on polls, build positive image for the idol... and so on. The big fans are in direct contact with the agency, and the agency have the power and right to control the fandom. It's not an opinion, it's the reality. Some of the "big fans" are even paid by the agency to organize the fandom. There are so so SO much profit to be made in a fandom. Idol, then, in this case, is not himself, but a product of both the agency and the fandom. We, as the "commoners against Xiao Zhan", know that he himself is probably full on innocent, has nothing to do with anything, probably didn't even have a say in the matter. But he himself is not what's being targeted. It's the agency, it's his fans. In Chinese fan culture, there's no separation between fanbase and their idol, it's simply the reality. Xiao Zhan and his agency profit and benefit on their fans and others who simply are interested in their work. He got his most fame from a danmei (BL) adaptation, yet the second they got the money, they wanted to separate him from the image, and that's why "big fans" organized attacks on AO3 and lofter. They don't want him to get typecast, they want him to be mainstream. And in China, main stream male actor can't be seen as anywhere close to LGBTQ+ community. (Sorry for my grammar and weird wording and rambling, English is not my first language)

so i havent finished the whole video yet im 1 hour in exactly but the biggist problem in my own humble opinion is that this was taken to the government it never should have been this is not a problem the gonvernment should be involved in especially considering chinese social media doesnt allow lgbtq+ and the government hates it this shouldve been solved with people being like "this book is not ok and should be reported oh i know lets report it" and then it gets taken down but a bunch of people took it to the internet got it on everyones "fyp" which kids are on the internet 2 so they shouldnt have done that but even worse they made was it a petition? for the government to "handle it" so a bunch of people who dont even know the story signed it im guessing this all could've been settled if someone commented something under the book along the lines of "hey author can you maybe take this down this book probably shouldnt be about a minor or maybe change the age gap?" that maybe wouldve done soemthing or they couldve reported the book so it got taken down but they went to the government with this and they maybe didnt know they were gonna take both sites down like permanently but that shouldve at least crossed theyre minds no? everyone knows the chinese government hates lgbtq+ the fact that this couldve been sovled so easily yet it wasnt makes me so angry and those ao3 and lofter useres whom werent invloved with this in the begining yes they shouldnt have gone so extreme but i understand why the did it they were most definitely panicing and once they found out theyre safe space got completly obliterated beacuse of this they were definitely infuriated still shouldnt have done what they did though

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My poor zhan ge ❤been through a lot. Glad he got what he deserves.been his fan from the very beginning 😢.so proud of him now

All of this over a fanfic??? Wow 😮😮 I am just glad that Xiao Zhan survived this, it's crazy the guy went through all of this for just existing. He was just chilling at home during quarantine and all of this happened... The trauma I would have had.

I will always like always support him my xz is the most unproblematic person i ever see and i will always be there for yizhan no matter what ❤❤❤❤ love you and thank you and our boys are the most famous actors in china

please react to her videos about wang sicong its so fun and trust me you guys are gonna laugh and understand the jokes in her other videos when she jokes about for fun 😅❤❤❤

Just subscribed! More untamed, XZ and WYB content to come! Thanks!❤

im a shipper haha and its rlly funny if u keep up with all the candies (clues) of them being together bc its obvious- (ofc thats my own opinion!)

C-ent has the most juicy unpredictable funny scañdals u should react to more, it's even more fun then kdrama plots 🤣😭

Let's just hope yizhan to at least communicate as friends after 2027 , when they are allowed to talk, like the government literally made a big deal out of it ,like imagine yizhan was actually together for a year and loved each other so much but this incident literally tears them apart,they aren't allowed to talk for years,banned by the government nd society,literally ended their career,it must have been hell for them, they don't deserve this,this is just ridiculous💀

Yes, Stephanie’s midnight mango, bake and a murder are funny. The Chris Wu is funny that was during her mukbang days. Stephanie is a great story teller.

THANK YOUUU GUYS ❤

I think for this case xiao zhan cant directly say apology because even if he succees calming down the angry netizens but he might have offended the government. Especially since he was famous for acting in bromance drama. He was a good distraction for covid era. He doesnt have strong position, good management and pr team, strong network too. Especially since he become popular too soon, many known ent company want to shot him down. He was an easy target with volatile fandom back then, now he was stronger n more stable. Although he become more exclusive n I wish to see him more in shows

There’s so much of the Chinaverse yall have missed lol. Y’all need to like start at least from the first Wang Sicong and go from there because he’s mentioned a lot in videos after 😂😂

damn I watched their series together I never knew this happened bro

you guys should do the video on kris wu next!

XZ was not d-list actor he was pretty famous even before TU , he was main vocalist and center in his grp there was even vdo of him getting mobbed by fans before the drama. Also only one should be blamed is govt also only if they are this dedicted in demanding rights for lgbt then attcking an innocent artist it would be much better

algo con lo que inicio en el video que fue con la aparicion de wang yibo tambien, justo en ese tiempo del 227 ellos dejaron de tener interacción en publico, en especial en uno premios de fin de año si mal no lo recuerdo , ellos estaban como si los hubieran prohibido verse o siquiera acercarse aunque solo estaban sentados 2 asientos de distancia. después del 227 ya nunca mas aparecen simultáneamente en el mismo lugar , y si son premios uno se va y aparece el otro, es un poco triste. ahora sobre los fans cada uno de ellos tiene su base de fans pero hay uno que es un fandom aparte que ama a los 2 ya sea como ship por la serie o simplemente les gusta ambos y les gusta sus trabajos. pero estos 3 fandoms no se mesclan, hay una linea muy marcada por cada fandom. algo que aprendimos en el fandom es "no te indignes en el nombre del artista" "si te gusta el artista, esta bien pero vive también tu propia vida" , ahora ellos se encargan de demandar si se sienten agraviados en internet ,los fans no tienen por que meterse, solo apoyar en su trabajo y si algo pasa hacérselos saber y ellos decidirán.

He is a fighter ❤❤

Thank you for your reaction, I hope you continue uploading your reactions to The Untamed, although the special effects are not the best, the story is great!! really love this show.

The wang yibo and xiao zhan fan beef is still recurring, meanwhile I'm sat here as a fan of both and wait to watch their newest shows💀🙏🏻

Sad part is both the actors are banned to meet in public..this fanfic ruined thr friendship as well.

Hey, there are good fanfics, not all are rpf. And most of the world 's literature started as fanfics

Please react to more videos from this channel aka midnight mango! They’re so much more light hearted and fun to react to

She forgot to narrate wang yibo is also there in the show as MC.

Chineese govt being anti LGBT have nothing to do with XZ or his fans ( yes some overreacted but again those ff are really something else ) I have seen delulu fans started h8ting celeb over ff started thinking its real etc. there are so many things C-govt ban they literally banned a celeb just for attending a private show so yeah. XZ was famous before TU become huge after TU and now after this 227 he becomes unstoppable. Will always support him and his work no matter what.

Xiao zhan ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

The untamed still my favourite 🥺

Yes..fans love to assume and fantasies to fulfil their own shipper heart.. they make their assumptions as "facts" it's crazy. Leave XiaoZhan and Yibo alone 🥲 anyhow, the Bts of untamed is actually fun.. I love it despite the big age gap, Xiao Zhan and Yibi could get along well.

You should listen first and comment after. Different worlds.

Please react to the unreal life of wang sicong next please🙏

The takeaway here shouldn't be that fanfiction, even this particular one (regardless of whether people believe it was morally acceptable or not because opinions will differ) is wrong. The issue that caused this is plain and simple: homophobia. It was homophobic solo fans at the root of this. Fanfiction has existed for hundreds of years, and will continue to exist. Notably, it exists in niche pockets of the internet and you really have to seek it out to even come across it. At the end of the day, fanfiction is harmless, it does not actively hurt anyone. But homophobia ruins lives, it can literally kill people. The problem here is people like that who seek it out, and drag it out into the mainstream public in order to weaponize it to their benefit. If those "fans" had just left the fanfic alone and ignored AO3 altogether, the fanfic would have remained pretty unknown outside of a very small circle, and Xiao Zhan and Yibo would still be friends publicly to this day. It's absolutely insane that those homophobic solo fans did this, and they should always be the ones denounced for what THEY caused, not fanfiction, not even the author of this particular fic.

47:58 that fanfic was so wrong on so many levels

Wang suttonn plsss ❤❤❤

I love xiao zhan and wang yibo!!!❤

I'm just curious. does Kevin have girlfriend???

Thanks for your reaction. He is really nice person I think, down to earth. I like him and Wang Yibo too. I am glad he is OK now and I hope that XZ and WY can be still friends (or whatever they are) after 2020 in private (they are not allowed to meet in public and even cant be on a same photo). Can you please react to Untamed BTS videos? That is so much fun, they are hilarious :-D

Click bcuz Xiaozhan lol

My poor Xiao Zhan has suffers alot.....

Reaction The Untamed pls

Please react to Word of Honor

my only comment...you guys never heard of larry stylinson fanfics? I understand it is disgusting and what's written are questionable but it's a fanfic. The authors aren't actual writers they're probably in high school and shit. It's not that serious, it only is if your treat it like it's actual literature. If it was published, fine. That's questionable, report the publisher. but it's not. It's supposed to only be in web, and just in web. Most people who read fanfic understand that some of the things there are unhinged. Also... you guys never heard of VPN??

Next pls *Two Girls Accidentally K1lled Kim Jong Un's Older Btother Thinking It Was A KZfaq Prank*

1:04:27 I don’t think the „marginalized group“ had any right to complain. I get they found people there, they could relate and all that, but solely rely on one or two sites on the internet? And quite obviously they were lying also, they didn’t just have those two sites, they quite obviously were able to Organise themselves without those two sites. They didn’t need those sites to come together and form a hategroup. And forcing him to apologize, he was literally the only victim in this whole situation, and still not be satisfied? All of that just made the lgbtq community worse in the eye of the public, they didn’t do themselves a favor with this. On top of all that, Zhao and Wang are even forbidden to interact with eachother, especially in public. They were so close and now the company forced them to ignore eachother. It’s just disgusting.

y’all annoyed me with some of the comments y’all made about Ao3.

Lets be honest Xiao Zhan was the biggest victim in this guy did nothing and get dragged almost whole career renuied. Those people can find novels even another app to read lgbt story etc also it's govt who is anti LGBT and yes some fans were too much should have been more mindful then again ff culture is kinda unhinged and t0xic people literally h8 and fight over it started become delulu thinking its real. I am happy that he even become more better bigger and success now.

All this happened because of zhan's homophobic fans

Gosh you talk way too much and then complain „what’s going on? I want to know how it got to this point“

This is my honest personal opinion. I don't love the drama The Untamed. I do love the novel though. To me, the drama didn't really depicted the novel in the same vibe. And I don't mean the boy love to the brotherly love, I mean the way every single characters was depicted. I just don't get the same vibe as the novel.

Yesss thank you guys finally I’ve been waiting since you uploaded it in patreon , am also hoping for you to upload the untamed TikTok compilation 🥹 , honestly am so desperate for any TU content🥲.