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Uncle Ben holding his webs in avengers 💪😮‍💨

Never in my life I would’ve thought that in a post Spider-Man PS4 world would I see Spider-Man attach his webs to the clouds to swing again.

Love how in Avengers he sounds out of breath after jogging about 3 feet, interesting story choice to make Spidey asthmatic but alright

The thing I appreciate a lot is how the dedicated Spider-Man game captures fluidity and nimbleness in his movement. Like the wall crawl at 4:13, it looks like Spidey has just finished full sprinting a 15 mile marathon.

It makes sense that the Avengers Spidey isn't as good as Insomniac's, as Avengers isn't just dedicated to a single person, but.... Come on, man! He shouldn't feel bulky and slow!

I love that Peter is all like" WOO" and "WOOHOO" when he's swinging like he's in a school zone

The problem to me isn’t so much the speed of the swing it’s the fact that he pauses mid air for a split second every time he grips a web which just makes it look choppy

I really thank the Avengers game for reminding me just how beautiful Marvel’s Spider-Man is, in both animations and just overall presentation.

Crazy how Fortnite did better swinging than Avengers

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Honestly I think that a lot of the problems with Avengers’ game feel (not all, like 30-40%) comes from the camera movement. Notice how in Spider-Man PS4, the camera zooms in on Spidey when he’s falling while web slinging, to create a sense of momentum? And how the camera just halts in Avengers when Spidey vaults over an obstacle, so it feels like he’s really getting tripped up?

You know it’s unrealistic when Ironman and Thor are just jogging around when they can literally fly 😂😂😂

I feel like adding the avengers into the spidey game would be wholly more satisfying.

Glad to see the return of the swinging mechanic from 2002 lmao

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Goddamn Avengers Spidey running and crawling looks as if he shat himself.

I think that webs sticking to the sky isn’t the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that every time you shoot the next web the game feels the need to slow you or freeze you into mid air all together. It’s not smooth at all. Same with the parkour stuff, every action you do slows you down it’s not fluid at all. Plus the wall crawling is slow and janky as well. The only thing that was okay at best in my opinion was the wall running

4:56 He seems so freaking tired doing so much less

It's like they went back to the physics of the PS1 game for the Avengers Spider-Man. The way he swings it looks like a modernized version of the swinging in that PS1 game.

I like that he’s going so slow, yet still shouts “Woohooo!”

okay so wall running sideways in avengers is absolutely useless. good to know.

bro uncle ben holding that web for him up in heaven, such a great uncle.

The Avengers Spidey looks and feels like he's in immense physical pain every time he swings

I love the realism in the avengers game! Didn’t know spider-man’s webs attached to the clouds!! I love it!!😍

The biggest problem with Avengers Spider-Man besides cloud swinging is pacing. Everything he does is slow and I guarantee if they made his animations like 50% faster on everything he does it would play so much better. He acts all big and bulky and all his moves are slow but he's supposed to be a super quick reflex gymnastic kid. His wall run and crawl and just overall actions are far too slow for Spider-Man.

4:40 Bro avengers Spider-Man looks like he weighs 400 pounds

I love how the ground cracks as if he’s jumped off the Empire State Building in Avengers when he jumps like three feet.

I'm ngl I like having a bash with characters like Cap and Panther, so I thought at the very least Spidey would be fun to fight with even if the swinging was bad. But DAMN. This is probably the worst Spidey I'ver ever used in a game. The PS2 games make this look awful.

I think part of the reason the swinging is so slow is because if they gave it the same amount of speed and momentum as the insom spidey you’d realize how much smaller the avengers map is

"Spidey in both games is quite similar" my guy's swinging from pigeons.

Avengers Spider-man's voice actor sounds like he came straight outta the lego games

I like how the web is actually sticking to a real building realistically and not just sticking to clouds in avengers

I think the biggest problem from what I’ve seen is that he’s to slow and clunky, Spider-Man’s swinging has always been about momentum that’s why people like insomniacs and treyarchs spiderman 2 swinging this just doesn’t look fun compared to that. That’s really all they needed to do

they created alot of characters you cant expect everyone to be jaw dropping

Just so satisfying how Spider’s movements in his game so easily flow into eachother. You could wall crawl up a building, grapple to a light post, parkour your way up and over another roof and dash up a skyscraper with only a couple of breaks to your stride.

I see they circled back to the traditional Spiderman game formula where Peter swings off of the moon.

A few things I noticed on why the Avengers' just feels a bit off - The webswinging breaks his momentum on every thwip, should have just kept going on - A fall from greater than 10 feet has him creating a sizable crack in the pavement and a lot of dust. Peter is that heavy so it doesn't feel right - The wall crawling is just the tips of his toes and fingers yet the sound design makes it sound like he is slapping the wall pretty hard - Peter will do a quip long before the criminals could see him as combat is started when it's detected. Should be when it's started

This video really highlights the subtle differences that make a game feel good vs meh. The Avengers movements are essentially the same but feel disconnected and really kill the flow of his movements.

The city's in danger... Marvel's Spider-Man: There's no time to lose! Marvel's Avengers: I need to catch my breath.

1:45 lmao I just love how Natasha is the perfect example of the state of this game 😂

One of the differences in the parkour which is minor but makes a huge difference is how in the avengers game, when you vault over something it slows you down a ton. Not only does this feel clunky, it makes you wanna do things like cool parkour LESS because of how slow and broken it feels. Imagine making a mechanic that’s supposed to improve gameplay and you make players not want to use it. Another thing is that, he literally drops like 6 feet and makes a dent in the ground and trips? Wtf? In PS4 spider-man, you get to look flashy without hindering any movement, you always move at generally the same speed and sometimes feel faster by vaulting over ledges or hopping past gaps, you feel rewarded just for running around which is why you want to do it more.

avengers spider man feels like if a real guy randomly just became spider man. Like this is the most accurate portrayal of just some dude being spider man

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Man, those web swings in marvels avengers gives me nostalgia to the PS1 days of Spider-Man swinging on nothing. The memories

He's shooting webs at your monitor to swing with which is pretty epic to help spidey save the day

After finally getting around to playing Marvel's Avengers myself, I personally don't think the web swinging is THAT bad in terms of the way if feels. Now don't get me wrong, if is awful compared to Insomniacs Spider-Man but considering what the developers were working with in terms of the already put in place systems/mechanics of Avenger's, they did a pretty good job. It definitely could have been a whole lot worse.

In the context of a full game being centered around only him and his mechanics yes, he's not as fluid. But for a game build around multiple heroes his traversal is one of the best and fastest on par with other flying heroes in avengers. But I do understand how people feel in some cases.

Either they took LEAPS backwards with the mechanics for Avengers Spider-Man or Insomniac just raised the bar so high that no one can reach it yet.

As a dev myself, I think the main issue with avengers would have been that they had to create and account for all sorts of mechanics for different characters within the same system. If they only had to account for spiderman, they would have been able to make it better. Edit: I didn't realize that the game is just low quality in general 😅

even the music playing during swinging is epic in marvel spiderman

"how do you want spiderman swinging will be?" "more tricks, forget momentum" "..."

Watching this just makes me appreciate how much effort and passion Insomniac put into making the perfect (two and soon to be three, to be precise) Spider Man games.

My head-canon is that in the Avenger's universe, this Peter Parker has asthma which explains why he's so slow and breathes so hard from the simplest things like running and wall crawling

2:25 middle of demonstration, sees an npc and can’t leave him hanging, I respect that

I love that he jumps one story off a building and yet still breaks the concrete floor

I understand that in the battlefield 2042 you can grapple off tornadoes. But there is absolutely no excuse for spiderman in a 2021 game to be swinging off clouds like back in the 2000 ps1 era. Why would you even apply this to your game. where is the love??

1:45 Its good to see black widow like this here , it reflects what this game has to offer

In avengers, the sound of his webs sound like crinkling papers and plastic bags😅

Did not play any of these games. But, just the fact that in spiderman game , spiderman have his web really stuck on something and not like in avenger to just air ... That's a win all day long

The 2018 Spider-Man feels like you're playing as Spider-Man. Avengers feels like you're playing as a cosplayer.

Spider-Man: “swinging through the air at great height and speed” Thor who had the ability to fly: 🏃🏻‍♂️

I just started playing marvels avengers, and normally I love playing as Spider-Man. But in this game is kinda hard to, mostly when the web slinging feels so stiff. It's kinda a chore just to get him to swing in a straight line, because the web swing function is just so stiff.

fisrt clip look like an avenger GTA V mode from 2017, even the npc walk, amazing

Exactly at 5:16 Avengers Spider-man said "Come on guys, you're just embarrassing yourselves" to the developers because of how they programmed Spider-man to swing😂

2:40 : Citizens screaming at the top of their lungs for help Spider-man: **Parkour intensifies**

uncle Ben is the goat right there for holding those webs💪💪💪

I love how at 2:03 his fall cracks the concrete for absolutely no reason. That, combined with the slight crack sound effect is funny as fuck

Avengers Spider-Man moves how I imagine Peter will in his late 50s.

Spider-Man PS reaction : 😍 Spider-Man Avengers reaction : 😂

Seeing how they have way more variables in endgame i'm amazed it is as good as it is!

Watching the avengers spider man vault feels like watching a dude in a spiderman outfit try his best to mimic spiderman

5:15 "come on guys you're just embarassing yourselves" fits perfectly.

For me, the Spider-Man costume itself isn't bad. But the flying on the web seems to me a bit shoddy, and the combat system leaves a lot to be desired. Of course, I haven't played the DLC, but you can clearly see the sharp movements and maneuvers Spider-Man makes.

I know this is an old video, but I feel the need to bring up the fact that you can run around the corners of buildings in your horizontal wall run and keep going by holding ○ as you approach the edge in Spider-Man PS4.

He swinging from the air because uncle Ben is holding it from the heavens

I like that he is added to the game and I can appreciate that for a game that’s not based around him he’s actually pretty good in it. What I really don’t like about it though is that he literally swings on air like the web doesn’t attach to anything. If they just fixed the swinging movement a bit and made him actually swing on to a wall or a street lamp instead of him hitching himself on the air this would of just made it that 40% better personally.

0:21 Thank you uncle ben for holding those webs from the sky!

its as if theres a ceiling follows spider man constantly so he can use his web swings even if its an area devoid from tall buildings. Bits of webs everywhere

every time they show Marvel avenger's spider man i feel like "Here goes spider-goof" super powers- Choppy animation goofy web zips and the very cool swinging mechanic where every swing god himself holds his web to help him swing.

Here's to another day of thanking Insomniac for creating some of the best games through sheer presentation and overall game physics But when Ratchet and Clank swinging is better than Spider-Man's swing in Avengers, then you've got a problem game devs

Marvels spiderman has amazing little features like when spiderman starts swinging around the city you hear the amazing orchestra start to kick in, its things like that, that make you realize how much effort they put in to the game

bought the game on xbox happy that i would finally be able to experience a Spider-Man gameplay.... thanks Sony

Im so happy to have the remastered marvel spiderman on pc, this game is a blast! CLASSIC!

Marvel Spidey: I can do this all day and not get tired Avengers Spidey: I’m just too tired and lazy

As a dev I can tell how hard it would be to implement amazing spider man swinging mechanics that require physics with respect to building collision but that WOOOOOHOOO kills me

watching that Avengers gameplay is like someone threw one of those subway station spider-man in there

Like everytime he shoots a web, his momentum just stops that is just funny to me

2:35 - People literally dying and screaming. Peter - *PARKOUR*

2:02 I love the massive disconnect between the absolutely pitiful sound effect and the massive earth shattering crack in the pavement when he lands

I can't believe that a game that is 18 years old (Spiderman 2 for PS2 and GCN) have better mechanics than an actual AAA game.

It's insane how Web of Shadows got web swinging down perfectly and they just didn't build off of that at all over the years

4:18 spider-man tired just crawling up a wall😭

is it just me or does the sound effects used for the Avengers game for the webs make the webs sound like they're really tense and tight? Like they're about to snap?

Running Iron-Man. Whooh! Amazing!

Bro the Webs in avengers sound like somebody Is cracking his back

You can tell when a games developers actually care and when they don’t. The Spider-man PS4 web swinging feels so good because the developers understood the basic physics of momentum, inertia, and how a swing like this would feel irl. Not only that they also follow a lot of rules of animation as well, and call back to the comics and movies with him making iconic poses during his swings that you can clearly see. The swinging also changes slightly between environments and elevation, which makes sense if you’re swinging at an angle or from a shorter point than a skyscraper in central park. Meanwhile the avengers game… has none of that. The developers put no care into this game. Holy shit it looks horrible.

Apart from anchoring his webs in the air, Avengers Spider Man looks like he legitimately tries out web swinging for the first time

Avengers Spider-Man just sounds really out of breath with every move he takes

I understand that they couldn’t do everything like his webs doesn’t stick to buildings because they would have to build the entire game around it. For the webswinging it’s too stiff. A perfect web swing that the devs could have done is to copy the webswinging mechanics from Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions. It would work with the avengers game so well.