What about turning?

@@AventurandoOK I have more control during turns with mid controls vs forwards

That silver wing was my first bike after I left home and got my own bike

Let the Harley take you under its little wing. I have had my big twin for 36 yr. But I have always had a sporty of some type along with it. I have had four 883s, one 76 1000cc, and now a 1200 iron. Crack the throttle on that and it brings a tingle to the seat of your pants. One thing to note is the great mileage they get…and not only sportsters

So crazy how a simple fuel tank shape and size changes the overall look of the bike! But yeah, it helps to know the flaws before getting the bike, so it doesnt come as a surprise.

I jus got a 15 48 tanks staying I’ll carry fuel bottles for long trips

thanks Jeff for the kind words! I really do hope it helps some people finding their first or second bike!

100% agree

which year?

Great Egret! Good to hear your input, I am a follower of yours. I just wanted to reach out to you and personally thank you for your awesome, tireless videos you created on your Iron 883. They were very informative and entertaining. Also, I wanted to share that you have been one of my biggest inspirations for taking up the sport of motorcycle riding, namely riding Harley Sportsters. Again thank you and ride safe! 😁👍🏽

@@almunoz9088 thanks, man! That really means a ton to me. Especially in a comment on a channel as good as Kris’ channel here. I’m looking forward to hearing what bike you choose. If there’s ever a topic you’d want me to cover or you have questions, feel free to reach out to me.

It is rare for me to see an American mention Saskatchewan in a sentence with proper description of the place.. I suppose you have ridden through it? I love the fat tires on the 48 and Fat Bob - it grips the road nicely and looks really good. But yeah definitely not a canyon carver 😊

This has my head all kinds of mixed up. Looking at pictures of trail angle it seems to me a smaller diameter wheel would decrease trail. What am I missing. I know you're right, harleys specs confirm this I just don't get it. Can anyone explain?

@@esee5master To answer your questions fully would require a deep dive into bicycle and motorcycle geometry, but I'll answer some specifics here and provide a "further reading" resource at the end if you'd like to understand more. I think my original comment led to your confusion. I didn't say anything incorrect about geometry, but my comment does focus on wheel size and it makes it seem like that's what creates greater trail on the 48. Apologies for that. Here is a better explanation: For simplicity, what follows is about trail and how it makes the 48 different from the Iron. It's more than just about trail, though. Frame and motorcycle geometry is a complicated thing and there are many factors that contribute to how a bike handles. Okay, here goes. There actually isn't anything in motorcycle geometry called "trail angle." it's just trail and it's simply the horizontal distance where the wheel touches the ground to where the steering axis intersects with the ground vertically. The more trail a bike has, the harder it is to turn the wheel while it's in motion, but it also means the bike is more stable in motion. While wheel size does play a roll in what the trail is on a bike, it's not the only thing. Wheel size, fork offset/rake (distance from the steering axis to the center of the wheel. Fork offset and rake can be and are often used to mean the same thing), and steering axis angle all play a roll (it's a pretty complicated formula). Typically, larger wheels, decreased head angle, and decreased fork offset all increase trail. But interaction of the three plays a roll here. I don't have all the info on frame geometry for these two bikes, but H-D does show that the rake (also known as offset) on the 48 is greater than on the Iron by nearly 6mm. That's a huge difference in the world of bike geometry and makes a big difference in the amount of trail for each bike. Wikipedia has one of the best explanations on bike geometry: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_geometry. I hope I didn't create more confusion.

You are welcome Al! Yes there are seats that can push you forward but you really need to test ride with that on to see if it is a right fit. It could be a safety hazard if you can reach the controls confidently. But congrats on getting your MSF completed and let us know what you end up gettin!

Thanks for sharing your journey thus far! Congrats on picking up the 883 as well - it will serve you well for a while!

Trying to decide between the 48 and 883 but i am also 5’3 , do you think i should go with the 883 instead?

about 40-50mpg.

yeah man me too. love the look but cant deal with the frequent trips to the gas station

Put a bigger tank on it problem solved

yeah man, it is a double edge sword. Looks fantastic but functionally it is not very good lol

No problem! Yeah I now need to check what that would look like because I think that would look 🔥

@@KSMotoCafe it doesn't look that bad really. Not alot of people do it apparently.

@@jasoncory78 yo I just searched and it looks so nice!

@@KSMotoCafe i know, right!? Totally sold me to get one, no matter the small tank cause ill just switch it later.

I sure hope so! When I was researching for my first bike, I wished that there were more comprehensive comparison videos between the sportsters.

The shocks will be an issue but otherwise, it's got enough power to move you. Though, depending on how tall you are, a softail might be a better power to weight ratio

@@KSMotoCafe I’m 5’11” but I also have no riding experience.

@@OscarHernandez-so9hz 48 will be fine. Even 883 will be good until you grow out of it.

Hey I am glad I could help! If your wife gets used to the 1200cc evo engine, she will not like the 883's power delivery after riding the 48 for a year. But if she likes the look for the 883, there is always the Iron 1200 (just gotta change the handlebars to make it look the same)

@@KSMotoCafe that's what I'm hoping for! Hopefully she'll really like the 48, and we can get two! Keep making content- just subscribed.🤙🏽

@@Team_Nacho_Moto Thanks for the support!

I am glad you enjoyed it! I wasn't really sure if this format of review was helpful or not.

Thank you! haha you will see what I have to say about the iron 1200's design (hopefully soon) and it is sad that they chose to cancel it. I am glad this series is still interesting for my viewers because sometimes I feel like I talk too much about sportsters lol

yeah man the slim look is awesome. The iron 883 tank is second best for looks. But yeah functionally the 2.1g is not realistic lol

yeah that 5Gs on the LRS or Dyna Softails are really the selling point for me.

So I was expecting that but I duno if I am just lucky but I have yet to ride a sportster with hard to find neutral. The only bike I had difficulty finding neutral was a Dyna Fat Bob.

Yeah same here but I will choose the 48 over the grom ANY day 🤣

For the most part I agree but do yourself a favor and take one for a spin. I think a grom wins on the fun & convenience element, easier to maintain, cheaper, and might have more mods available. The grom is like the sportster of the moto world.

@@IronBornRider challenge accepted. I will find a grom here to do a test ride and get back to you!

3.3 has been around for a long time... it is possible that yours was modded with a 48 tank if its 2.2. Theres also a 5g sportster tank (custom series)

interesting! do they sell it as 2022 Breakout?

@@KSMotoCafe yes they do.

thanks for confirming some of my thoughts!

to my knowledge and experience, yes they are the same

It is likely but it all depends on how many 48 parts are left in the warehouse!

Can I ask how tall you are please? I’m 180cm and wonder if I’m too tall for owning a 48? Thanks in advance.

I priced out the Stage 2 and it is about $2k Cdn for parts - so it still outside of my budget lol

@@KSMotoCafe I had 4 air cooled bikes, 5 tuners, exhaust systems, intake and cam upgrades. Never did shocks, but should have. Tons of “Harley Tax” as you say. That’s the best part of the Pan America, it needs nothing to make it faster, or more comfortable. I am kind of binge watching your channel to catch up. 😎🤙🏻

@@noidreculse8906 lol I can see that! 😄

Thank you! There are a lot of riding groups on Vancouver Island! I would start by joining three facebook groups: Lower Island Riding Club (LIRC), Greater Victoria Riding Club, and Bike Nights Around Victoria, BC. All three clubs are different in nature but all very supportive in their own way. Most of the LIRC admins are VISC instructors or x-instructors. The other two groups are also good to ask for quick favours such as needing a supervisor rider for a quick trip or to get your MST completed!

@@KSMotoCafe thankyou so much!

Awesome man! I was waiting for you watch it to see if I delivered the info you needed to make an informed decision. Keep me posted!

@@KSMotoCafe Yes Sir, I’ve been flip flopping on that bike for so long but I think I’m just going to do it, we will see if they offer it again next year or not but if not I’ll just look for a used one. I know that they changed a few things in 2016 with them, bigger front forks, cast wheels instead of laced, better rear shocks...I’ll try and find a 2016 or up I think. Thanx again for the review, keep up the killer vids bro 🤟🏼

@@403punk3 awesome! Don't get suckered into new 48 unless it is a deal of a lifetime. I only got my iron 883 new because there was a glitch on the dealership's inventory and they held to the price that I saw during the glitch. Used sportster 48 (2016+) would be ideal!

@@KSMotoCafe definitely 🤟🏼

@@403punk3 keep in mind 2022 is the last model for the 48. I’ve seen a number of used ones too. Good luck!

amazing!

The Iron 883 should be good for a shorter rider as it has low seat height and mid controls

Thank you sir

😁 and I bet an even older gentleman will say to you "you young guys... I remember my horse could pull 35miles on just hay!"

thanks Ross!

Thanks so much Joel! Your support to the channel has been very appreciated 😊

Thanks Andrew! here's hoping!

Thanks so much for confirming some of my thoughts!

Thank you for the feedback!

what's the change of fuel economy like with your 883 +hammer kit?

thank you!

Thanks Brian! Sportsters do rule!! 😎🤟

You already watched my other riding review that showed plenty of the 48 and asked what happens if you press the kill switch while riding - I answered and you thanked me. Now you come back to watch another video of mine on a series where it is just talking about the comparison of the two sportsters but you are upset about my face?

@@KSMotoCafe my apologies your videos are very good and helpful

it really depends on your height and preference of how you want ur legs to be folded. As a 5'10" I like the forward controls for comfort but the mid controls from the Iron gives me more control

appreciate the feedback!

yeah 48 is definitely not a group ride bike! Unless I guess if all the riders are on 48s lol. The funny part is, the wet weight of the 48 is lighter than the 883 because of smaller tank size!

Ottawa valley represent! 😎

😁

around when does the gas light turn on though?