SSL UF8 - Almost a year later.... is it worth it?
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After having this for a few months and really making the SSL UF8 apart of my home studio and music production workflow, I share with you my experience using the SSL UF8 with LUNA from Universal Audio.
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@stephenpierce2909 2 жыл бұрын
Like the loooong pause after the power no switch comment. Was going to buy a uf8 for Christmas until they raised the price by $400. Thanks for continuing the great videos!
@waltbielski 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve! I'm pleased to hear that you find the UF8 to be a good addition to your studio. Thanks for the info!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Walt! For all the valuable contributions to the world! You the man!
@emzini_5017 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for waiting G
@DamonZenDrummer Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video
@EdThorne 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the honest review!
@TheSteveKinney 4 ай бұрын
The legend himself! Love your channel Ed! Thanks for stopping by. If you have any questions about the UF8 that I didn’t answer or didn’t think to mention in the video, just hit me up on Instagram or leave it in the comments. Happy to help clear stuff up. Cheers!
@BenJSavage Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@LesVegasMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve! Great video! I agree that SSL was and is on a serious pace lately! Tons of really great plugins and hardware. I've always been a big fan but I'm becoming an even bigger fan now. I just wish they'd put one channel strip from the UF8 on the UC1. That would be ideal for me.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Right on dude! I really feel like they will really expand on the UC1 & UF8 - it had amazing reception. And there is stronggggg demand to make plugins controllable with hardware. So no way we don’t see this space grow, not only from SSL but other companies too. I’m pretty suspicious but I’m pretty sure they will be making a “master” unit. So a one fader dealio with transport. Which would go well with your UC1.
@LodvarDude 2 жыл бұрын
I went with the Icon M+. Still on order, but I expect it'll work great when I get it. Thanks for the video and looking forward to the one covering Luna.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
You will honestly love it. I’ve had many controllers over years. The icon had been my favorite out of them all until I got this overkill type thing ha ha I still feel the same about it though as I did in my other videos. It’s not THE controller. But I got it as a part of a special project. Very grateful to have it. I was totally about to throw down on a big icon platform nano and m+ extender setup. 17 faders would have been cool LOL
@teashea1 Жыл бұрын
Very good video - articulate and good production values ------- My Uf8, UC1 and Big Six are out for delivery right now ---- looking forward to using them with my Fusion and Bus+.
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
Broooo. You have the greatest toys. I really want a fusion and big six. That’s awesome dude, you’re gonna love it.
@barnpostmedia 2 жыл бұрын
The UF8 makes every DAW in a small studio, or production environment easy. It works extremely smooth when I have used it with Cubase. No power switch? No problem. Who needs a power switch? No one has time to slow down long enough to turn equipment off.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ain’t no body got time fo dat!
@SonnyGreenwichJr 2 жыл бұрын
I love my UC1, I guess I'm just gonna have to save for this too... 🔥🧨💪🏽🤠👍🏽🧨🔥
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
For real. And I’d bet that they have some sort of “master section” on the way too.
@isommallory9473 Жыл бұрын
I am getting the UF8 and the UC1. I chose these over the Avid dock and the S1. I can't wait until I finish my build and get these going.
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
You’re going to absolutely love it! I wanna get a uc1. And the new 4K plugin sounds fantastic too.
@chrisk.6246 2 жыл бұрын
Great review! Also, I really hope you’re right about an SSL DAW-and Neve needs to get on the ball!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
For real dude! These companies are kind of lagging. With respect to SSL - I mean the name ... ssl 360 - that’s full circle. And right now - we’re almost at a full circle... just missing the rest of the editing and recording bits. Idk / we will see. I would LOVE to see neve compete with the UF8 and the big six. Along with api. Especially if it was in traditional modular api style. Cheers Chris!
@artysanmobile 2 жыл бұрын
I see very little reason for SSL or Neve to step into the swamp of DAW creation. There are so many great choices and the DAW itself has almost nothing to do with their actual strengths, audio signal processing, which are available in every DAW already. If they want to participate I’d be thrilled about iPad apps to control their creations in a way only they could envision.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@artysanmobile On the iPad: Laggy. No real tactile feel. I’d have to respectfully disagree with ya mate! With respect to the DAW thing - I have a feeling everything’s going proprietary sooner than later - and then subscription stuff bandwagon. Etc. I’m not saying it’s smart, good, or even that I like - just that it’s likely. I would really prefer the UC1 to be open - so I could use it with UAD Etc. That would be sweet. But obviously isn’t happen. And look at neve making an interface - just signals that they are aware of the market. That’s all. Just probabilities. That’s all, cheers brotha!
@rogerloydmccoy 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the ssl Luna video, and would love to also see a video on send the ezd2 individual tracks to Luna if that’s even possible
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
Another vote for the Luna video (know you’re working on it ;) ) - but looking forward to seeing what kind of mappings you’ve come up with!
@timdaniel7745 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video the SSL UF8 looks solid…the workflow on mixing and mastering is going to so smooth and fast except the thing which shocks me is “no switch” 😂 I enjoyed the video a lot cheers brotha..
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
For real! Why didn’t they include a power switch.. Now I gotta get a whole new furman and side cart!!
@timdaniel7745 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney haha lol yea but it’s a bit annoying to plug the hardware again and again but I have a feeling that they will upgrade there hardware 😂
@JJmastering 5 ай бұрын
Very good video! I use UC1 and UF1 and my opinion is almost exactly the same as yours - likes and dislikes are the same :-) But now SSL promises a big update with much more customization and management of plugins from other brands, so I can't wait!
@TheSteveKinney 5 ай бұрын
Super stoked for that announcement. I figured it was a matter of time… I’d imagine it won’t be long before ssl 360 becomes a daw.
@EirikHasselberg 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video Steve! I bought the poor mans solution, a Behringer X-touch compact second hand for $150. From what I can see the main difference seems to be that power button and a bit more plastic feel on the X-touch. 🙂 The UF8 looks great, but I doubt I will fork out $1400 for it just now as that Behringer got me covered.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Right on mate! Glad to hear you’re rockin it mate!
@payso1382 Жыл бұрын
Spot on 🎯. I completely agree. Its great looking device, but NO WAY IN THE WORLD, would I ever pay $1400 for a control surface 🤦🏽♂️. I'm currently searching for a much more viable alternative.
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
Can’t knock it until you try it. I’ve had full MCU’s, faderports, and my favorite was the icon - until I got this. I was seriously in the same boat. I didn’t think it was worth it - but I think it is. It’s build quality is far superior, but again. At the end of the day - whatever gets the job ultimately is the best tool. If you just need a fader - then yes. LOL FAR more than overkill.. But alas. Great points and Cheers mate!
@BobbyDoesMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a Faderport 16 a few weeks ago (I'm in Studio One, so it made the most sense). Gotta say, just having a bunch of faders makes mixing so much fun! UF8 is definitely a handsome unit, though!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been impressed with the faderport 16 anytime I’ve played with it! Seems like amazing build quality! Cheers Bobby
@rcprod9631 Жыл бұрын
Enjoying my Faderport 16. 😀
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
It’s a great device! Cheers mate!
@annekedebruyn7797 2 жыл бұрын
6:55 I went full nerd to fix this. I got a smarthome plug for my PC and the UF8. When the PC is off, it turns off the UF8. Best 40 euros I spent.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. And genius.
@revelationsoundstudio 7 ай бұрын
Nice video, good news is we have the ability to control colors now . Yes the power button missing is surprising . I got two of them and a UF1 as having a dedicated transport controls and jog wheel means no menu jumping
@TheSteveKinney 7 ай бұрын
For real! And this new ssl update means we truly have a virtual SSL console now with the plugin mixer layer. I’m so stoked. I wanna get the uc1 as well.
@revelationsoundstudio 7 ай бұрын
I got the UC1 too. 😊
@CODEOFCONDUCTENT. 2 жыл бұрын
Off subject but your color grading on your videos are superb!! Great cinematography!!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate! I’m a camera nerd for sure. Constantly trying to make cinematic stuff. Big work in progress. Trying to understand the in camera teal and orange look via use of lighting. Like old school days. 😎 Learned a ton over the holiday. Cheers mate!
@CODEOFCONDUCTENT. 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney Your welcome! I also dabble in video too. Lighting is the biggest Key!! And you nailed it!! I like the content and channel ! Keep up with the Good Work!! You are definitely an inspiration!! Many blessings to you and your family!!
@Damianthelovetour2024 Жыл бұрын
Mc control / avid artist series daw controller with eucon control was and is so ahead of its time and u can get one for $200 on eBay. Crazy cheap. Like a stream deck and mixer combined
@jenshendriks9092 2 жыл бұрын
Quick video tip. Export your video in the aspect ratio you want instead of adding black bars. On a normal 16:9 ratio display it might look fine, but when you are viewing it on a wider screen ratio such as 21:9 (which is very common these days) it will give you an entire black frame around it and it will not utilize the full width of the display. If you're exporting at 1920x1080 with black bars at a cinema ratio, you could better export it normally (without black bars) but at 1920x803.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Great point!
@johnisrael5183 Жыл бұрын
Using (Option 1) More Control Nectar Controller with Reasons 12 (Full SSL 9000 K imulation) in the Daw Contollable with Nectar with N4 Tim P and Alex B Live SSL Analog Sampled Plugins + Sand 3 Bundle with Acustica Audio....is Going to get you alot Closer to a" Real SSL Board" Total Cost $1000 (Full Ready Ready Quality Productions) with 25 Different Live Analog Sampled Plugins for Analog Feel....... (Option 2) Stuck in SSL's Ripping off Small studio owners and stingy with features.....(Why doesnt this thing....control all of thier plugins.....thats a major fk up Both SSL Controllers UC 1 and 8 $1700 with Taxes...... Im not gona reveal my Secret....but I figured out How to use Acustica Audio, Nebula, Accesss Analog with my affordable analog Rack......Im getting $500,000 Studio Quality...... soundcloud.com/iconicsoundmusic/tracks
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
Got my UC1.. still waiting on my UF8 to arrive , loving the Uc1 tho, I like to touch a knob and listen croiticatlly not have to focus on the screen and where my mouse pointer is to check its moving the virtual knob I need moved, so Im super duper excited now for the UF8 arrival . because even that UC1 channel strip put me back into the early days of working in my first studio with a real analog desk and tape machines and hardware, I think the hybrid design of a knob for everything on the plug in or screen will keep me happy, I like to close my eyes sometimes as I sweep a frequency as a bright big screen in front of you can be too overpowering compared to being in a control room and looking our a window into the live room,
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
10000% I would LOVE to see software devs start to make units up the same alley. I say it all the time - a full rack space, or even half rack space 1176, to control all 1176 instances would be so sick. Same thing for other “standard” studio staples. La2a Distressor Pultec Etc
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney absolutely, hardware rack controllers, would be sublime. there's something more musical when your listening and not having to watch what your doing in a mix, I can control a few dials without having to look . Just because we love working in the box it shouldnt force us to divert our focus away tactile control that is second nature- but in the box has us looking at hot keys or a mouse position , which suddenly makes the musical choices more visual sometimes, your almost mixing with your eyes
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
it annoys me when i work a show and I see a FOH person with their iPad on the desk and an RTA or FFT analysier program running and their mixing with what the desk is sending to the iPad . but in the room it sounds different in the middle of the pit or sitting in the upper row. there's more to music than a screen ,
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@Johnnybananass-_ dude. Couldn’t agree more!!
@kbryarly 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve... So, I purchased a UF8. It's cool...but, I can only access 8 tracks in Luna (with the faders) - that is to say, there is no way to 'bank' over to the next set of tracks. The only way to access them with the controller is to hide the first set of tracks in the Luna software, then, the subsequent tracks pop into my faders. The track banking feature works great in Logic. Also, I am disappointed that I cannot access plugins and modify the settings in Luna - again, works fine in Logic. Is this a 'Luna' thing or am I missing something in the setup? Thanks for your great videos!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
100% Positive that There is some sort of setting that you have incorrectly applied. UF8 should be in Logic Pro mode on your layer in ssl 360. It should be on output port 1/ input 1 in that order in Luna. And as far as the Luna settings. It should be in order: 1. (Assuming this is the only controller “On” Input device - “SSL V-MIDI Port 1 source” Output device - “ssl v-midi port 1 destination” Important - focus module and extender need to be turned off. As far as other settings - I prefer: Surface shows tracks from - main window Bank to selected track - on Scroll Luna when banking - off Show main track - on Use surface fader taper - on Those shouldn’t impact the device banking - but the first one will for sure.
@kbryarly 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinneyThank you for your reply.So, I was using all the correct stuff. However, I also had my Maschine+ selected as an additional controller. That was preventing the Banking. I turned it off and the UF8 was banking as expected. Thanks again.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@kbryarly ah!! Right on! Yeah - it’s always the simple stuff. Ha Cheers!
@MrManumendes 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video, thank you!!! Is it also possible to Control UAs „Console“ with the UF8? It would be very nice to Control the Console Sends for Headphone Mixes while Tracking
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
I believe there is a way to do it - but not officially. Came across a complicated video about it a long time ago. Certainly not officially supported. Now I do think softube console 1 has some sort of baked in support. But I think it largely controls the plugins. Not the faders and mix system. So. Long story short. Not really possible. Cheers!
@jamieremus277 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I would really appreciate your advice. I am looking to buy a DAW control surface in the new year and have narrowed it down to three. Which one would think would be best with Logic Pro X? The Faderport 16, the SSL UFA or the ICON QCON PRO X? Thanks for your input and Merry Christmas. Jamie Vancouver Island, BC Canada 🇨🇦
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
I personally think there isn’t a better controller than the UF8. The custom keys really allow for fast shortcuts. And custom tailored workflow. That said - the MCU support in logic is great / so you’d be pretty happy with any of them at the end of the day. Quality wise - again. Nothing better than the uf8. The fader port is a super close second. It’s especially nice that it has 16 faders.
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
Also added an Amazon power plug to the wall - so can switch the SSL on and off by either switch or voice now! Sure; they should have added one - but these did the job :)
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Totally!! Thought about doing something similar. But since my 500 series chassis, I’m thinking I’m gonna get a side cart rack and another furman. Power it off that. 😎
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
Did KZfaq block my other comment with the link to the handy switch cable you can put between your device and its kettle lead? Also very handy for those who need a manual switch up top :) The one I got was called “Convertor Cable PDU UPS IEC 320 C14 Male to C13 Female Extension Cord with On/Off Switch 30CM”. Fit could be a touch tighter, but there are a few other similar adaptors out there; I just went for the one that delivered quickest :)
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldmundbyrne7075 yeah - I can’t see the comment. It does that from time to time and I don’t know why or how to fix it LOL
@Vincentcam 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Do you notice bugs while using the Uf8 with Luna? Sometimes the faders and select lights do not match up. I have to cycle through the banks to get them where I need them.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
🧐 hmmm. Never once experienced this. Could be something specific- like OS version. If you have other midi i/o etc. Would love to learn more.
@PatrickAssman 2 жыл бұрын
I have 3 UF8 and I use a Tekin smart outlet controlled by Google to turn the boards on or off as needed. The on/off switch isn't a deal breaker to me.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Not a deal breaker to me either 😎 Love the device! Lucky setup. Would love to have 2 more.
@jamesdonno 2 жыл бұрын
Where is is UF8 & Luna vid? Am I not seeing it or did it not post yet? Got me excited! 😁
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Not posted yet. Dragging - got a ton of client work at the moment. It’s coming!
@jamesdonno 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney happy to hear you're busy...keep up the great work!
@KainThaBrain 2 жыл бұрын
That will be hella dope if SSL ever decided to update the 360 into a DAW. A DAW that caters mostly to mixing and recording and also comes with all the SSL plugins as stock plugins.
@Harrysound 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but what’s the point, the plugins already work in ever DAW. Now if they could work more with the DAW manufacturers directly that would be great.
@KainThaBrain Жыл бұрын
@@Harrysound It’s understandable and I agree with what you’re saying. However, SSL didn’t have to start creating plugins if that’s the case. We already have great plugins that represents SSL very well. But do to the fact that they did, along with creating the 360 software with their latest update shows potential that they can turn the 360 into a daw as well. Even though their are a lot of great daws out theirs just like it was plugins before they started making their own, doesn’t mean that SSL has to stop there. They have alot of room to expand into creating a daw as well. That’s the point
@donnas8408 Жыл бұрын
They just did - SSL teamed up with Harrison muxbuss32CV9 😉
@Chaz_r Жыл бұрын
8:28 Now they have a master control center! Haha! You called it. And I think they bought MixBus32 so they are probably coming out with a daw pretty soon.
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
Totally dude - it only makes sense. Stoked to see where they take it.. maybe.. who knows.. maybe I ditch Luna over it! I’m constantly impressed with what they are doing. Also - hilariously icon pro audio - the people who make the platform nano -... they launch damn near a clone of the entire SSL UF8 and UF1. It looks pretty sweet but it’s not out yet.
@Chaz_r Жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney yes I saw the icon audio stuff! I was really interested but I believe ssl is the way to go for me! Haha
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
@@Chaz_r oh totally. I had the icon platform nano and it was great for simple stuff but I don’t trust their programming for the macros and custom shortcuts
@killacbeats425 2 жыл бұрын
I love the UF8&UC1 I use it with Pro Tools and FL Studio 20 but with FL Studio it a pain in the a$$ you have to map out some of the controls
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
That’s what I’ve kind of heard. Tonssss of mapping ha ha no bueno. But incredible workflow once you get there! Love it!
@teashea1 6 ай бұрын
Now you can customize soft keys. Track colors also follow.]
@TheSteveKinney 6 ай бұрын
Yup! I have another video where I go through that and my new workflow. And I even put out another video on the 1.6 update that has some REALLY cool mixer features if you use the ssl branded channel strip plugins. And rumor has it, they are doing something at namm.
@teashea1 6 ай бұрын
great@@TheSteveKinney
@teashea1 6 ай бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney great
@officialsimonharris 2 жыл бұрын
I have one and a UC1, both are great but SSL seem to have stalled in updating and developing it . . . like you said they should allow more key assignments and color LED assignments, for example solo, cut and sel are all white - why not 3 different colors and more like that
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It makes me wonder what they are working on... so far. Looks like plugins is their priority...
@Yourweakminds Жыл бұрын
Had a play with luna. NO REAL SURFACE CONTROL IN LUNA, PARTICULARLY PLUG INS. Concluded that an AVID S3, an AVID Dock, and pro tools(EUCON) is the way I want to go.
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
Bro. 😅 Did you use an avid product with something other than pro tools and expect great results? Those guys are more proprietary than a box of legos. That s3 dock is badass, but part of the reason it rocks is because it’s designed by avid - for avid. You make a great point, and I wish that UA would get off their ass and give people what they want... wouldn’t be hard.. I appreciate ya sharing your perspective and If I had that dock - I’d love to be rocking PT with it! Thanks mate! Cheers!
@vanitune9458 Жыл бұрын
How do you feel about the UF8 now that’s been about a year since this video? I’m hung on this unit and will be buying BUT, I’m still undecided because of the power switch, Vegas mode, inability to program useless buttons - I only use ProTools. Thanks!
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
😂 is this a troll? If so. Brilliant. If not. Legitimately, power switch is a simple solution, either plug into furman and use that as power switch or get a switchable extension cord Vegas mode is silly, but still dunno why it’s not there. Pro tools has endless mappings and the single most support of any daw. Anyways, thanks for watching, cheers!
@dannykirsch 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Do you think Luna stands up to logic from a producer’s point of view (as opposed to just mixing)? Also having used both do you prefer logic’s swipe comping or Luna’s way of editing vocals? Finally would you say that Luna sounds better than logic or is digital digital and therefore is it all dependent on the third party plugins you use?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic questions Danny! 1. As a producer, I prefer Luna 1 million times over. It is easier (for me) on the eyes, and many commands make a lot more sense to me... it keeps me feeling creative and that's what I feel being a producer is about... being inspired and creative.... the sounds are fantastic too. They modeled a lot of amazing old keyboards, and synths etc and give it away for free as a part of "shape" 2. Luna's comp'ing is preferred for me, with an asterisk.. It has forced me to be a better performer, knowing that it's more of a process.. makes me practice more ahead of time.... then while comp'ing the process forces me to listen more with my ears instead of looking along with my eyes.. 3. Generally speaking - digital is digital... HOWEVER... Luna's "summing" extensions aren't available inside of any other daw, and to be honest - it's legit. It makes the mixes really feel and sound analogue... so, if you don't have those, then it's really a tie because digital is digital... If you tried to do this in other daw's, you'd have to have a bunch of instances of UAD DSP plugins across channels. but being it is native in Luna - you can save some DSP with the tape plugins running natively, etc... once you factor that in - LUNAAAAA. Woot. but to you last point, yeah - it kind of depends on the DSP. My main point really - is that it doesn't matter what daw you use, it's about how the workflow works for ya - and if the end result sounds good! Cheers!
@dannykirsch 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney thanks so much Steve for your detailed reply. To be honest the only thing I use Luna for these days is audio quantise as it's far better than Logic Pro's audio quantise but I'm going to try to get back into it. How about a video on how to set up two UF8s and a UC1 with Luna? That would certainly be super useful for me and no doubt lots of other people because I tried doing it and failed epically :-) I still want them to work with Logic Pro as well :-)
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannykirsch If I had two UF8's and a UC1 - you can bet your top dollar that I'd be making a video about it with luna... From what I understand the UC1 - is a "native" only device - so it's supposed to control specifically just the native SSL plugins. and I believe it works within the "SSL 360" software. I know the "focus" wheel seems to work no problem controlling plugins inside of luna. If you could get a go fund me going... I'd be making this video tomorrow ha ha joking. but seriously - if I had one - I'd do it lol I do whole heartedly agree though - the Luna quantization and warping audio is worlds ahead of Logic and PT. That was a good point that I completely forgot to mention! Good stuff! Cheers mate!
@dannykirsch 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney thanks Steve 🙂
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannykirsch totally mate! I’ve been looking to try to find a UC1 used in town. And also been thinking about another UF8 but they are big purchases for my humble stuido 🥸 The life of a freelancer is glorious. But not always lucrative haha 😆
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 2 жыл бұрын
watched a few different videos on different 8channel surfaces. gonna take your word on this one, i trust someone with summit TLAs and DolbyA's in the rack... thanks
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Haha right on mate! Love that someone gets how cool those Dolby’s are. And the TLA’s. Funny stuff man. That said. I’ve had the MCU’s, euphonix before avid bought them, the icon platforms.. Haven’t messed with the s3’s or s1’s yet. I’m sure they are awesome for PT users. Also haven’t touched the large channel faderports. They look good but I can see the customization matching up at all. But legitimately love this UF8. Feels stout. Only knob I don’t like is the big one. But everything feels great and the customization is really fantastic for Luna. It’s good in other daws too. Of course - it would be awesome to have two UF8’s but it’s pricey. Cheers mate!
@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney Thanks :)
@harveyspecterdj6661 9 ай бұрын
Actually I like your idea of the color scheme. I use a scheme too like KICK is black or dark brow, bass brown, hats blue etc. Would be cool if UF8 would follow that with the LEDS but I think the reason they don't is that their mode is defined by the color. About the power switch, that doesn't bother me because the thing goed in suspend mode anyway after some time (configurable) so the all screens and LEDS go black. I actually prefer that than a power button.
@TheSteveKinney 9 ай бұрын
Yeah... there is SOO much more that could be happening with the UF8 as is.. I wish SSL would take my calls ha ha... (I kid, but if I could call, I would) The potential for user specific customization should be there. period.. the device is the best controller on the market by far, and with the framework they have - it could literally go so much further. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@harveyspecterdj6661 9 ай бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney Yeah I love it. I ordered a UF1 last week and after a week playing with it I ordered the UF8 as well. It's quite sturdy and the custom commands are awesome. I also suggested a few things to this Tim guy, for example, on the UF1, if you are on the 1st custom soft key page but you want a command on the last page, you have to press the "next page" arrow 9 times. I proposed either a round robin where you would continuously scroll through the soft banks or more ideal for me, a SHIFT + left or right arrow which then would go to the first or last soft key page. That would imo be better as then you could do that from whatever page you're on. I also miss a dedicated RECORD button. Maybe SHIFT + transport REC would be a work around or more ideal, SHIFT + SOLO which would work for those without a UF1. Overal I like it and it is damn stable. The software hasn't crashed a single time, neither did the controller.
@TheSteveKinney 9 ай бұрын
@@harveyspecterdj6661 maaann. I agree with this completely!
@ADPTVmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with Levon and others' similar comments: What a disappointment in looking after existing customers. For instance, I would like to be able to use the faders flipped to write automation in Ableton. UF8 can do it BUT the problem is that SSL have programmed it in such as way that the plugin parameter names disappear when faders are flipped so it is ABSOLUTELY USELESS! It's such a basic requirement to know what a fader controls! I agree 100% with the need for track colours also - They are essential. It's impossible to navigate a project easily when there are no colours to differentiate tracks AND made worse because track names are truncated so short. (Note to SSL: EDM track names are not simple scribble strips like "GTR 1" - Know your users please). The truncation has to do with the Mackie legacy I understand but what I don't get is that Softube Console 1 pulls the full track names from Ableton. Hey SSL coders ... just copy the way Softube do it SSL - PLEASE! I'll happily add a track name copying plugin on each channel to pull the track name through in full if it makes the UF8 actually a usable tool. Worst of all is the ridiculous amount of time it is taking SSL to go M1 native. My companion UC1 is redundant next to the UF8 when using the latest version of Ableton. If things don't improve both the UC1 and UF8 are going up for sale because it's just a frustrating waste of money on good hardware with underwhelming implementation. I've spoken with SSL and made them aware of these issues in a constructive way saying "hey guys, we need this and it'll make the products really usable". They just ignore my emails now and won't comment on whether any of this is coming. It's so frustrating to support them to be better but then see SSL releasing new plugins over sorting out major usability issues for existing customers. What incentive is there when they already have our money?
@KKMcK1 2 жыл бұрын
Does the UF8 fully integrate with the UAD API Vision Console Emulation?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a negative brotha! There is no mapping or plugin control support yet. Just traditional daw features. This is like part UA & part SSL
@catarinomedina9557 Жыл бұрын
I am in protools ultimate and I will use no other program ...do I have ant limitations in terms of the amount of tracks
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
That’s a nope. PT is cool. And plenty of support by SSL! If you like it, rock it. Cheers mate!
@ethangarcia854 10 ай бұрын
Luna has been making waves in the industry. I’m excited to see what happens in the next decade with this software!!
@citizenworld8094 2 жыл бұрын
Is it any good for orchestral libraries and don't use their plugins?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Ehhhh. I’m not sure I’d get this just for controlling parameters in an orchestral software.
@powerdither7309 Жыл бұрын
Just to be clear...this works in Luna now? I thought I saw other stuff complaining that it wasn't supported ... How long ago did that happen
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
Uf8 works with Luna great. Only thing that’s still not supported by Luna is full plugin control. Outside of that - the UF8 really brings Luna to life.
@jonvincentmusic 2 жыл бұрын
There is only one problem: 8 faders. Just 8. I know you can bank them / layer them , but it’s just not the same as 16 or 24.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Totally feel ya and agree. But I mean. The solution is pretty simple. Two uf8’s. Not so bad price wise. Although I know the presonus faderport 16 is more cost effective than two UF8’s
@wizofozland Жыл бұрын
did you add a uf8 and luna usage video?
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
not yet - I had to redo the video! Just about ready to go!
@cameraramblings4107 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a rumour for ya. I think UAD will be making a control surface of their own at some point specifically to run Luna and their plugins. Just putting it out there!
@levondarratt787 2 жыл бұрын
by that time, it will be ...again..way too late!
@destinationmusicrecords5934 2 жыл бұрын
for only 1.2 M
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t stop posting… is plug in support supported at all yet on it in Luna? I didn’t think it was, and haven’t tried it yet. Got my first week of time to myself coming up now and will be trying more of this stuff out; but just more food for thought for your Luna vid if you’re still creating it
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. Not available yet. No telling when they will make it available, I’m sure there is more thought around it. The dev team is super thoughtful. They are aware of how other DAW’s function and their pitfalls. Everything they have done to this point is deliberate. I expect plugin control to be no different. I’m happy to wait for them to get it right.
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney Agreed; same here. I’d love to see UA do their own plug in control surface to accompany something like the UF8; especially since the UC1 is for SSL plugins only… we’ll see!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldmundbyrne7075 totally. I think they would make something great. And my current fear is that since there is basically a market share war going on for software, Hardware manufacturers are going proprietary. And that might mean that SSL doesn’t develop complete support for UF8 in the same way they support Pro Tools. Which would mean - UA is in control of how complete everything maps, ... which meaaannns. They would have more incentive to build something proprietary of their own. I see this as everyone’s answer to console 1 by softube. And softube is likely gonna have their own platform sooner than later.... I see the same thing happening with presonus. Etc.
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney I hear you. But also heard a little whisper that SSL might be working on a Luna profile for the UF8 ;)
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@goldmundbyrne7075 that’s what I hope for. But I know they are all competing for market domination so LOL 😂 Fingers cross.
@bdunn315 2 жыл бұрын
Always grest
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate!
@JeffyG 2 жыл бұрын
Is 8 faders enough? Your thoughts?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
For my room?... definitely. If I had a studio where there was a live room, iso booth, storage, and I’m doing sessions all the time - along with client mixdowns on the daily - might be faster with 24 - also adds a lot of custom buttons. But if it’s just for my own enjoyment, would only come down to space and budget - if I wanted to part with the money.
@JeffyG 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney I had a borrowed FaderPort 16 for 6 months and got used to it. Everybody says the UF8 is better quality, but it is more expensive. It’s for my home studio, not commercial use. Really appreciate your insight into Luna too. I tried Luna and I would definitely choose Luna over ProTools, but for now I’m sticking with Logic.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffyG likely won’t be that way for long. Luna is “da few chair” ha Also - yeah. The UF8 is definitely superior in many ways. But it’s definitely expensive too.
@leirumanuel 2 жыл бұрын
So this is for Luna or Protools?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
My UF8 template is for Luna. The UF8 is for any daw that supports MCU or hui. Pro tools, Luna , logic , reaper, studio one etc
@bobsquires4521 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, great video and your silent response to 'no power switch on it' was understandable. My only thinking on why they chose not to include a power switch goes back a hundred years (the '80's) and a recording studio in Burlington MA (long gone.) The owner discovered that the main reason any of their ample supply of analog devices would fail/break down was because of the power surges from turning on and off - SO - they left everything on - eliminating most repairs and achieved better dependability - and the heat generated by (especially the amps) they addressed with FANS just to keep things running a bit cooler. The studio was warm. The on/off switch itself failed on my old Phillips Turntable. I use a broken tooth pick to keep it jammed on, and power the motor up by the lit speed controllers and a metal connection when needed. lol now THAT is analog! P =]
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
HA.. this is epic! Love it dude, the more I'm working with analogue, not just in audio, but in the cinematography world.. I'm always coming up with creative solutions to that kind of stuff.. great tip though on leaving everything on! .. My energy company would LOVE if I kept everything on all the time ha ha.. alas, I probably can't be doing that just quite yet, but I know that's pretty common place amongst active studio's. Funny enough - the one studio I frequent that requires that some things be powered down when leaving, also always has broken units.. ha.. this might be because of those surges, or just turds who don't know what they are doing in there.. but I find the correlation to be funny! cheers dude!
@uselessoldman7964 9 ай бұрын
Will be completely obsolete in a couple of years when Midi2 compatible devices finally flood the market. Midi2 has ZILLIONS of potential midi commands not just 127 (PER MIDI CHANNEL) !! For that reason I have not upgraded anything midi related.
@TheSteveKinney 9 ай бұрын
This runs off of their own platform of software called SSL 360. 360 communicates the midi commands, not the controller itself. It’s like a pass thru application. It’s known as v-midi.... I would be shocked if whenever that releases that this device isn’t compatible with the protocol... Not saying your wrong, just that it’s already not simply a midi device.
@tha_realbluboi Жыл бұрын
Are them event 20 20s Monitors if so I thought I was the only person with some
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
They are! Solid monitors. Great high end.
@tha_realbluboi Жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney nice I’m in Search of hd sound do u have a video on that are do u know a cheap but Effective way to go hd and we’re to begin
@kingalysterianlion5542 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think the ssl uf8 is better than the softube console system?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Without question. Absolutely.
@kingalysterianlion5542 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the prompt reply. I use Luna and logic. If you don’t mind me asking what makes it better?
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@kingalysterianlion5542 First off, console 1 doesn’t work in Luna as a standalone controller. And from what I understand, it doesn’t ever really work as a standalone controller - it requires a plugin to be on every channel. To get the controller and the faders together it requires buying two devices where the UF8 can control parameters of plugins with just the one device. Finally, the customization is off the charts with the UF8.
@kingalysterianlion5542 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney Bro!!! That’s awesome!!! Thanks for the information! I’m getting a UF8!!! By the way, your feedback experience is AMAZING!!! Your the first channel since I’ve been using KZfaq - and that’s a very long time - who replied and actually helped to get my question / decision fully resolved in the same day! Thanks so much bro!
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@kingalysterianlion5542 forgot to mention, the badass quality of the SSL.. it’s real console faders. They are on metal groove tracks rather than a cable. It’s great stuff Glad you’ve enjoyed the channel dude 😎👍🏻 Cheers brotha!
@SeabornProductions 2 жыл бұрын
I contacted UA about their future plans on developing their own console controller for LUNA.. their only response was "we can't discuss future products at this time".. So take that how you want, but to me it seems like they're already on top of it and because it's UA they want it to be very good.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
That’s badass!! Awesome work mate!
@goldmundbyrne7075 2 жыл бұрын
Oh also - is it just me imagining it - or do those faders give some kind of variable resistance when you’re going over the smoother sections of fader taper using Luna’s fader taper modelling? E.g. you seem to be able to feel a slight increase in smoothness as you get to the more finely controlled parts of the taper… anyone know what I’m talking about, or what that features called (if it’s not all in my imagination..?! If it’s there… nice touch. I’m sure i can feel a little ‘scoop’ in the resistance of the fader, part way through, where it opens out to give finer control in the more commonly useful decibel regions..)
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm. I don’t personally notice any sort of extra resistance. When my surface was new - the faders were still really stiff towards the bottom of the taper, but I just had to work them a bit, as I don’t think the oil was all the way through the gears. At least, that’s what I theorize. Again, all I have to go off is the metal grooves I see inside the the device. Maybe one day I’ll tear it down ha ha I’m also super curious of repairability. I wonder if SSL has replacement faders available.
@Supermodelyum 2 жыл бұрын
LOL
@sjpachica3 Жыл бұрын
What's your desk?
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
A custom built project with my father.
@sjpachica3 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney nice. It looks great and seems super functional
@edgi55 2 жыл бұрын
WOW no power switch!! Do they expect you to leave it on forever. I hate when manufacturers do that. I have a Maschine JAM and same no power switch. I also here the UC1 has no power switch either. Disappointing.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Lol for real - But truthfully - I think it was designed to sit inside their duality consoles. So it makes sense. I just don’t see how adding one ever would mess with the originally intended function. 🤷♂️ Anyways. It’s a great device!
@edgi55 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney Totally agree
@AlavonMajor 2 жыл бұрын
No power button..and no transport controls. ………C’MONNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!😤
@AKDanMusicMan Жыл бұрын
The million dollar SSL Consoles I worked on didn’t have a power button either. :)
@AlavonMajor Жыл бұрын
@@AKDanMusicMan that’s funny…the SSL, Neve & Harrison consoles I’ve worked on do…the point is these are unnecessary corners to cut. Especially at this price point.
@AKDanMusicMan Жыл бұрын
@@AlavonMajor I never looked for one on the Neve’s or the newer SSL’s, but I did press the SSL ON button once and found out that it’s not actually an ON button, but an OFF button, and the process after that to get the console back on was quite lengthy. Never did it again.
@ndavies8 2 жыл бұрын
It's a great unit but realistically, it is over priced for small to medium sized studios. At the price, I'll save up for a mixer.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
I mean - I don't disagree that an analogue mixer and console would be a great addition. However, I disagree with the price bit. Once you move to the mixer, console realm, you'll end up spending a ton of extra money on cables, patchbays, etc. Each solution kind of has it's pro's and cons... but for the money, there isn't a better DAW control surface. With most people in the box these days - it's a great unit, but definitely more of an investment. I greatly appreciate your take! Cheers!
@ndavies8 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney That's a great point! Thank you! Might just swing it but also considering the Big Six
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
@@ndavies8 freaking love the Big Six from what I've seen. Super cool device! Kind of really in a good sweet spot for the home/small studio for an analogue centerpiece. I don't like a few things about the I/O for integration with outboard gear with respect to the subgroups, but generally... it's damn near perfect. I really love what ssl has done in 2021. They've outdone everyone. Cheers!
@mikelo303 2 жыл бұрын
No power switch = No buy. Fuck that shit. Its a fucking stupid new trend across the board.
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Love the passion mate. I don’t disagree, it’s pretty lame LOL Although. It could have something to do with the design, I believe they intended it to rack mounted into one of their large format console. And you’d have no way of hitting the power switch. Still absolutely ludicrous to not include one LOL I’ll be getting a secondary side cart and another furman any day now. That will be the power switch LOL
@artysanmobile 2 жыл бұрын
Luna would not have been feasible with computers of 15 years ago. I have never used it, so only know of its technical design, committing every last move in ‘real time’. Save? Pshaw! Last century.
@MrGreekBlade 9 күн бұрын
still in 2024 communicate with daw via Mackie control...so fucking ridiculous ...i will NOT buy any controller until they invent a new and easy way to communicate with my daw at 100%
@TheSteveKinney 9 күн бұрын
@@MrGreekBlade well… you must have missed the point of SSL 360 software and all of SSL’s new plugins. That’s what they have done. VST3 is sort of the answer here. Plus, watch my latest video on the UF platform. On Mac, im able to add keyboard shortcuts for anything I want - so long as it’s a menu item. Then via ssl 360, I can do any sort of macro or shortcut I want via the keyboard shortcut. Genuinely, I’m not far off from feeling like I’m 100% on a console.
@billbradleymusic 4 ай бұрын
So you control it with a glance , do you? Maybe check your grammar. I understand the premise but it sounds ridiculous.
@TheSteveKinney 4 ай бұрын
Ehhhh…. I don’t understand your premise lol Either way, there isn’t a better controller available on the market today. Period. Hate on the video, hate on me, but don’t be hating on the UF8. Cheers mate!
@happymontanamusic Жыл бұрын
lame two commercials in full
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
Cheers Montana. I’ll wait for your review brotha.
@Chavacano Жыл бұрын
the price, the bottle neck...its not worth it.... dont waste your money.
@TheSteveKinney Жыл бұрын
The bottle neck? Whatcha mean brotha?
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
If ssl is going to put its name to anything they won’t make it cheap . They have too much history in the landscape of music and recording and studio mixers it serves them no favours to knock out cheap and cheerful equipment . ESP as this is modular and the way for daw based users and in the box studios
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
I got to spend 4 magical days in Hansa studio working on some demos and sitting at that iconic famous ssl they have so when I bought the uf8 and uc1 it’s the closest I’ll get to being back at that seat by that desk that has made so many of my favorite bands albums .
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact. Ssl was bought out by a much larger company that doesn’t share that history. While I don’t disagree with you, i agree. Ssl does have the amazing history, and everyone at the company, SSL, does seem to care and put out innovative shit.... Parent company likely only sees that as a balance sheet asset, and a name. And so - it’s just business at this point. There is a massive need for what ssl is doing, and no one, not neve, api, UA, etc is addressing.. At least yet. Console 1 started it, ssl is currently “finishing it” but id bet others will join. I still can’t believe that there isn’t some sort of hardware controller from UA. I’d pay $400 bucks for a full size 1176 - to sit in a rack and control digitally - every instance of UA 1176 plugs in my session. Would give me the analogue feel, and be able to use my hands and ears like I would in a big studio. Would be killer. Could even buy a few just to make the user experience more seamless with the session. Could totally see that... Why that’s not happening, is IMO - lack of innovation. It would require: Small power supply, Few potentiometers An lcd display Few simple buttons... 🤦🏻♂️ idk. I’ll keep dreaming LOL
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney oh no 🙉
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney I’d think with uad wanting dominance in the marketplace and having crushed it with interfaces they would take the next step and create a hybrid controller sort of thing .
@Johnnybananass-_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheSteveKinney I hear you on the buy out and the spreadsheet . So many great brands brought and then ruined by inferior products or their name slapped on any Bluetooth speaker or headphone or flip flops . Or the competition in the same company stealing the talent and ip then closing the company . In the end it will be a monopoly of 2 major players and behringer cloning everything haha
@levondarratt787 2 жыл бұрын
SSL you need to update the software and FIX the bugs...Dont be lazy after getting my money ! you owe some work. Ot is great !! BUT - not fully finished... Need some updates, fixes and work on it FAST!
@diegooliveirabenjamin 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video
@TheSteveKinney 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate! Thanks so much for watching!
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