I think you explained it very well in that everyone doesn't know what the heck a series 70 pistol is, but would expect a modern pistol to be just as drop 'safe' as the 40 year old Glock design they're used to.

Some of those comments you read....damn. You would think their dead daddy designed the stacatto.

I personally LOVE how real you are in your videos. I don’t think you’re looking for attention or anything stupid like that. I think you’ve got more knowledge in your non dominant trigger finger, than most people do in their entire body. Keep doing what you do brother 🫡💯 you’re awesome!

"A falling knife is all blade, and a falling gun is all trigger."

Sig was hammered regarding the P320 as a result of its early problems with drop test. It’s a pistol that is used extensively throughout the LE community much like the staccato so the same standard should be used.

Not going to lie, Ben literally described me. Got a Glock 19 at 21, got a staccato on my 26th bday cause it seemed like a better duty gun. Didn’t know there was a series 70 was a thing. This isn’t a deal breaker for me because I shoot my C2 better than I ever shot my Glock. Which is more important to me than it being drop safe.

Why pay 2011 money when you can get a sig that’s also not drop safe for half the price?

I am a relatively new shooter I had no idea staccatos are not drop safe I assumed they were

I carry a Staccato C2. I wasn't aware that when dropped in a certain way series 70 actions aren't drop safe. I'm still gonna carry it, I think the likelihood of dropping it in the exact perfect way for it to go bang is low, and it is a risk I will accept. That said, I totally understand why this would change someone's choice in carrying or using a Staccato, and this is information every Staccato/Series 70 1911 user should know.

I carried a series 70 Colt in LE knowing it was not drop test safe. The Agency knew too. It never became an issue. That Agency and the SO I also retired from didnt care either!

I just closed my eyes for budget reasons

Best part of a series 70 is if you’re carrying appendix and someone tries to kick you in the nuts they’ll loose their foot

For the comment regarding LE carrying AR15s and shotguns and them not being drop safe. This is know and trained ARs and Shotguns that are carried in Police cars are carried in a "cruiser ready" configuration per policy which means for an AR a 30 round mag in the rifle bolt forward and no round in the chamber. Same for shotgun and this is specifically done because they are not drop safe. Just food for thought.

I've been shooting since I was 25 ironically. I didn't know what a series 70 pistol was. If there was a pistol marketed for carry or "duty" I'd expect it to be drop safe. My G19 is drop safe ;) I found out, thankfully.

Here we go again😂 love your style man.

I’m in Texas and see/hear of lots of LE carrying Staccato so this is really interesting!

Oh wow, so you did the drop test that soon? Good on you Ben! Even with a newer gun, with presumably fresher springs, the gun still went off. I grew up on the 1911 so this does not come as a surprise. But good on ya for doing that drop test and getting the conversation going. If you are willing, can you do a drop test on one of your tanfoglios too? I know it has a drop/firing pin safety but due to the design, it may still conceivably discharge a round if dropped at a forward angle wherein the slide would be out of battery enough that the firing pin lifter arm on the receiver wont be holding up the firing pin block on the slide.

I replaced my stock P safeties with extended safeties (Double Tap). They made a very positive ergonomic difference for me, as well improving their function.

I guess part of the reaction is that most people just don't know how their guns work. Sure, they can do most of the gun manipulations that they need at the range. Many people could also strip down their guns for cleaning or whatnot. But it usually requires a certain level of mechanical inclination/gun nerdery/autism before people care about the nitty-gritty details of how the things work. It's like with cars: not everyone knows how the hell a transmission works, and most people just have a vague sense that it's "gears and shit".

I love that you do this. Not gonna lie, if I had spent that much money on a pistol and thought it was drop safe only to later watch this video, I would be seething or coping or both.

Love the shirt!

Cool you read my comment “Oh well bro”. I didn’t mean it any bad way. Cheers bro 🍻👍🏻🇺🇸

Drop test "triggers many" I see what you did there. 😂😂😂

Are there any competition oriented double stack 1911s that are drop safe, like based on a model 80 or have a similar firing pin safety design?

Any chance you get an Archon Type B and try it out?

It’s is a preference my eyes like the green better and my hit factor is way better with a circle dot combo. The scs 320 is the optic I am shooting.

Great stuff Ben. I knew all about series 70 1911/2011 when I got my p. I put a +40% Wolff firing spring in it with no function issues. If I send you a spring, would you drop it on it's nose? Not sure I can stomach dropping my p from head height on the cement. Let me know.....

How is the book iteration coming along?

How many rounds had the firing pin spring taken at that point?

Nice shirt!

A lot of people in the comments upset are fighting their own cognitive dissonance about justifying their purchase. Being so committed to that brand they can't handle a little criticism. Those are also the same people so quick to call some pro shooters "shills." Gotta love the irony.

Springfield uses a titanium pin and double extra power spring to help minimize the chances of it going off. I'll have to drop one and see if it works.

Didn’t Springfield fix this issue on their series 70’s 1911’s years ago by using a titanium firing pin with a heavier firing pin spring?

I like the drop tests cos we get to see the Mach 1.

@Ben Stoeger Great video! 😂

Drop a Stock 2 or any of your Tanfos next! I am curious how they will do...and am poor and don't want to drop my favorite comp gun. Do it. I know they have a firing pin block but it is a different type of block that most pistols.

On the note about AR-15s not being drop safe, one thing that always tripped me out was the free float pin. If you drop the bolt and chamber a round then check out the primer, youll see a tiny mark, just not enough to ignite it.

Let's add fuel to the fire - Kimber and their take on the Swartz safety. What are your thoughts? I know the general complaint is that if the grip safety timing is off, it will fail to fire. However, that seems like the best way to have a firing pin block in a 1911 pattern without affecting the trigger pull and feel. I have a 2009 Kimber TLE/RL II which basically runs well. I qualify with it as an off duty weapon. I knew going in that 1911s were a lifestyle type gun and they need understanding and more TLC. I ended up pulling the FP safety out to run a Wilson HD extractor but added a titanium firing pin and Wolff XP FP spring.

What’s your opinion on the issues with the p320 considering the issues CZ has had with the shadow 2? I’ve heard more stories about gun ADs with S2’s than the p320 in the practical shooting world. Admittedly, I shoot the x5 but I’m not brand loyal. What’s good is good and what’s bad is bad.

lol love your shirt

After USPSA runs its course......Stoeger for President.

Where can I find your video of the drop test? I could not find it on Instagram or KZfaq? Can you please provide a link to be able to watch it?

Technically an AR15 isn’t drop safe either. The firing pin is floating.

Its Its awfully refreshing watching you take ALL comments good or bad with a grain of salt.

Hey Ben - how’d you get into shooting if your dad wasn’t into it growing up? My dad is similar. He hunted and was in the Marines but never did competition stuff. Always curious to hear other people’s stories.

Yes it’s a series 70 pistols. They aren’t 100% drop safe. But if they are gonna market it as a duty pistol it shouldn’t be this easy. It sound take some decent hight.

Just for kicks can you drop the shadow 2 as well, without safety too like if it was dropped during a stage

Nah it’s not deal breaker but….. Am I the only one or do I feel like for $2000+ would be nice for them to be an series 80 . I mean my $600 guns come with firing pin blacks it’s not like it’s an unreasonable thing to ask for a gun in that price .

I would like to see you change out the firing pin spring and see what happens

There's an inherent balance in trying to blend a racegun and a duty gun - speed and safety are almost opposites when it comes to handguns. It's also very common to instinctively disregard a perceived safety concern because safety is soft or bad or whatever. Bottom line: If they're gonna put the word "Duty" anywhere near it, it needs to be drop safe. Things get dropped, especially when you're carrying them all day, every day. It's not difficult to make a 1911/2011 platform drop-safe, and it's not impossible to get a good trigger afterward. Whether this specific platform needs to be drop safe is another question - is this truly a failure of safety or more of a failure of marketing? The real rub I'd like to know - Is the New CS/C platform different? Or will that one pop too?

Should test this with a titanium firing pin and/or an extra power firing pin spring

Its really a non-issue. I understand young shooters may not know about Series 70 guns and this video was explained it.

Remoil boys assemble!

Wait, is it not drop safe with the safety on?

In case I missed this in a previous video, will you be banning all series 70 firearms in your classes?

Great perspective... never stop annoying the right people!😂

The auto adjusting holosun needs to be discontinued. If it can adjust instantly maybe... I've had issues with this in a local match. Turn that function off, don't need it.

Btw just wondering what is that shirt you wearing 😂😂

Regarding green dots, they will absolutely wash out in daylight conditions in thick green foliage. Think scanning treelines, draws ect... for competition, won't matter at all, but real-world use, it definitely has downsides imo vs red.

6:17 Definitely would like to hear what Ben thinks after collecting information.

Nice shirt dude

Nice shirt! 😂

So why is it marketed as a duty firearm ? But it can’t pass a drop test ? I mean what if a officer or somebody is chasing somebody and they drop their gun as a running or they get into a scuffle and the gun drops and then it could go off

I wonder if Springfield 1911s/2011s do the same thing, they all have lighter titanium firing pins that are also smaller in diameter than those found on the Staccato P. The idea that these lighter firing pins would solve or mitigate the issue keeps coming up but I would love to see that theory tested.

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I don’t know if I am the only one in the whole world, but blue lights look blurry to me so I’d rather go with a red dot than a green dot. Also, it’s a shame that there are no Schwartz safety 2011s. Seems like the perfect solution (dropsafe and Series 70 trigger) as long as QC is good.

They act like this is something new. Non FPS 1911 style pistols have been doing this since day one. But people are stupid, so here we are.

If you weren’t expecting the negative reaction, you might say you AD’d them.

I’m assuming you have your own FFL. Would you be interested in shooting and reviewing my edc? I’ll provide the ammo, just honestly interested in what you’d think and how you’d like it, or if you’d tear me a new one for my setup.

Its not a deal breaker but it is something a person should educate themselves on and make an informed decision for themselves.

That t-shirt LMAO

If you put rosin on your hands you could avoid dropping it. 😅

Could you do a C2 drop tests??

Hm seems a problem to me that could have a simple fix/upgrade 🤷🏻‍♂️

Bul Armory 2011’s don’t do that fyi……..

Ben's takes and observations are like a glass of cold water on a hot day.

Where did you get that shirt LMAO!!!!!!

That shirt!!!! Hahahaha

It would be interesting for someone to look at the “approved firearms list” of California and see how many approved series 70 guns there are on the list.

Agreed on all points. Its not a big deal but something people should know and probably isn't common knowledge if you aren't into 1911s.

Is the title of the vid a pun?

The fact you ate discussing legitimate Issues for a duty blaster is baffling. Not sure how your qualifications seem to not matter. Keep doing what you do.

Facts don’t care that you spent $4500 fanboys. 😂

5:24 lol I can’t believe there are females hating on Ben 😂

But but but Ben m-m-my staccato doesn’t do that😡 also l-l-like why would you ever drop your gun bro😭🤓

Nice shirt lol

As a community, we should expect are firearms are getting better, not worse

Is it a big deal if you drop it and it fires? I don't care. You shouldn't drop the gun. But then the same people that say this isn't a big deal made a massive issue with the sig p320. Something you had to drop at a very funny angle at the right time when the moon aligned. Because it did pass the standard drop tests.

Has Staccato reach out to respond to your claims?

I want to see the staccato P drop from multiple angles, no balls.

The problem with this is it hurts people’s feelings. They marry a brand of a product and it’s always the best. It’s called ignorance, thanks!!!

Honestly, saying the Stacc is an entry level 2011 is so out of touch. Tisas-Prodigy are entry level at this point. I really like the grip texture on the Prodigy, and the mags are relatively affordable, so that's the direction I went. All in, the gun is still a couple hundred cheaper than a BUL 2011. PS. I just find it funny. I feel like the more entry level guns have been out for a bit now. 2011's have become pretty accessible at this point.

Pretty clear Redbeard never heard of the Doodieproject

For the price they cost you would think titanium so that wouldn’t happen as likely

Its an expensive staccato is all people know most people dont know the series 70 shenanigans most people come from a drop safe firearm

Yea that's a no from me dog, can't strike a guy in the face with a staccato either then

It is almost like we won two world wars with the basic design. Not particularly worried about drop safe.

It is a bit disappointing. I am aware of what series 70 is. So, it is not surprising. However, there are also claims out on the net saying to the effect of, "This gun has passed drop tests of many departments...." There are people here whining, "It's a series 70, this is nothing new...blah blah." but AT THE SAME TIME, "Not a problem! It still passes standard drop test...blah blah." Isn't this cognitive dissonance? Why was an issue known since the Series 70 not fixed for decades? If a so called "standard drop test" passes a gun with an issue known for decades then what is that so called "standard drop test" even testing? For me personally, it may be argued that the slim probability of dropping the gun at an exact attitude is outweighed by the benefit of having a gun a shooter can be accrate with. Although 1911 or 2011 is not my preference for securiy purpose. So, I would not be opposed to anyone choosing to use it. However, I question why Series 80 AFPB is not more prevalent. People whine about Series 80 trigger actuating the firing pin block making the trigger bad. But, the Series 80 Commander I tried was not bad at all, and I do not feel even my Staccato P trigger is any better. There appears to be no willingness to innovate here.

It’s a SAO 19110 firing group, yep… 🤷‍♂️

Buy an S2C and do a drop test.