The runabout could load and unload cargo using its transporter system, so the location of the cargo module is not really a problem.

One think i would add is the fact that both phasers and torpedos on the Runabout can be aimed freely. Something the Star Wars Shuttle cant do. This would give the Runabout a huge advantage, It could fly circles without getting hits while dealing damage at the same time

Great video but I believe you missed several major advantages of the runabout and Starfleet science. Transporters, replicators, and sheilds (phasers vs blasters can be debated). 1. Transporter:The runabout doesn't have to land. Unless it wants too. 2.Fusion (impulse)and Antimater reactors (warp core): in most cases doesn't need specialized fueling station. (Hydrogen/anti-hydrogen: can be located/reproduced) 3. Replicators:Onboard small Part and supply replication, food replication 4. Advanced computers systems 5. Medical supplies: access to med kits, tricorders other trek science amenities 6. Shields: Starfleet shields can handle flying near the corona of stars for short periods of time 7. 360 degree weapons coverage The only possible advantage I would see the Lambda is speed.

The inclusion of "facilities" in the Runabout compared to the Lambda is an important advantage, I agree!

The danube class has a matter transporter. I'd say that would make loading and unloading cargo easy... and materialising from "thin" air would be a spectacular entrance in the SW universe! The runabout has sheilds too..... so would mitigateuch of the shuttles weapons.

I think that I have seen where the runabout also is able to mount mission packages over the warp sled, scientific or additional weapons. This would definitely add to it's capabilities along with different variations of modules under the warp sled. I would also think that the module could be disconnected and the ship could lift off leaving the cargo module behind to be unloaded if an elevator was not available as shown.

7:23 that is actually the lore behind wings in Star Wars. The reason a lot of fighters have wings or "foils" that open only for combat is to radiate the increased heat buildup from weapons, engines, shield generators and other systems. Then there are ships like the Falcon where heat is radiated via exhausts which are the black circles on top of the rear of the ship.

Weapons system wise, The Danube Runabout simply slaughters the Lambda Shuttle. The main reason is the tech difference. Star Wars Tech is almost purely electron energy based. Star Trek energy systems are a combination of Electronic and subatomic. Star Wars Weapons and Shields are limited to how they can control electrons to deliver a weapons payload. Star Trek can customize subatomic particles, such as making Nadeons that are specially designed to obliterate all matter beyond the limits of anti-matter. This difference in tech means Star Trek weapons can simply slice threw anything Star Wars can throw at it, while it takes Star wars an entire Death start just to fire a laser cannon powerful enough to cause, at most 1/5th damage to a Galaxy Class shields, when the Second Death star laser cannon is fired at FULL planet killing power, not doing its 'Verses SW capital ship' rapid fire. The Second Death Star would still have trouble trying to bring down the particle physics shields of a Galaxy Class ST ships shields to 90% if the 2nd Death Star was using its rapid fire anti SW Capital ship firing mode. That is how big the difference is in the tech between SW and ST, Electron only verses Subatomic particle energy, quantum mechanics control. And that same vast advantage ST has in science and tech also permits it to even be able to shield them selves from attacks coming from force users as well. Not even a Jedi nor Sith Light Sabers would be of much use, since Duranium (ST Metal and Armor) can take a lot more heat and blast pressure then Durrosteel (SW Metal and armor). Duranium lines both the outer hull and inner corridors of Star Fleet Ships. So that same, Quigon jams the saber into the blast door method, will still take significantly longer against Star Fleets Duranium plating. So much so, you simply wont have that quick slicing action even be possible for any light saber against a 4mm sheet of Duranium. Not only that, but the ability for Light Sabers to deflect/reflect SW Energy blasters won't help a Jedi nor Sith against ST weapons either, cause those vary same subatomic customized Nadeon energy particles will slice right threw the saber beam, with minimal, if any deflection at all. That is the kind of sheer advantage ST tech has over SW, by having such control over quantum physics and subatomic particle energy control and customization. The only advantage SW has over ST... A very fickle advantage at that, is the fact that SW has access to HyperSpace as a tool for travel. But its speed advantage comes at high cost. You seem to be limited to hyperspace lanes. Venture out side of those and you run the risk of getting stuck in the hyperspace dimension where monsters of unknown exist and you have a high chance of going insane. You can't look into hyperspace directly for the same insanity driving reason. Hyperspace also seems to have far more significant barriers that limit where you can go and what directions you can take. SW pretty much can't get too 1/3rd to 1/2 of its very own galaxy cause of this, much less outside of it. The only limit to warp travel is 2 fold: The ability of your tech to manipulate the intersection between normal space and subspace, in order to create a subspace field to use and if that interconnect between subspace and normal space hasn't been destroy by some kind of weapon, like the explosion of an omega particle.

Well, don’t forget the runabout can fire a few full sized torpedoes if you swap out the middle section. That’s the exact same kind as the Enterprise itself fires. Yeah.

Okay, here we go: The phasers on the runabout are basically omnidirectional, whereas the forward laser/blasters of the Lambda are fixed (the tail stinger is a turret). I don't care what disparity might exist between the 2 universes' weapons power; I'll take a vessel that can shoot in any needed direction from multiple emitters without having to change the craft's orientation over one which you need to bring the whole craft around to bring the guns to bare any day of the week. @SacredCowShipyards did a masterful takedown of *ALL* wings in SW. They are too small to be effective non-atmospheric radiators, and as noted, are *NOT* aerodynamic. The wings and fin on the Lambda are just total wastes of mass. Again, I'll take the compact, non-wasteful craft any day of the week. Speed: I'll take the vessel which doesn't blow up if you happen to graze a gravity well, even if it is a bit slower. But, the Lambda is pretty...

I think you are forgetting a detail about the Runabout It has Transporters So really it does not need to physically land in order to unload cargo meaning it does not need a ramp and while i grant the villains walking down a ramp is impressive The Transporter is also used to disembark passengers and crew

At least in the case of the Imperial shuttles transporting either Vader or the Emperor, I imagine the cockpits were designed purposely so the pilots could not get out while the ramp was down. The pilots were probably in full life support suits, like TIE pilots. If Vader or Palpatine were off the shuttle, the pilots' job was to keep the shuttle ready for IMMEDIATE take off in the event the leaders of the Empire needed a speedy escape. If you let the pilots leave the cockpit, the next thing they will do is start taking coffee breaks and texting their girlfriends, etc. You lock them into the cockpit so their fate is intricately tied to yours. If Vader goes down, everyone goes down including whoever brought him into this situation because obviously they are traitors just like everyone else in the immediate 50 mile radius.

Don't forget Transporters. That makes loading and unloading much easier, and is often ignored as a weapon. Beam the pilot out of the shuttle while shields are down, or a bomb into the cockpit and lights out.

Well, many points about the Danube-class Runabout were missed. The Bussard collectors on the front of the warp nacelles can collect particles that augment the fuel supply. Star Trek Technical Manual. There is a large seating area to the rear of the Runabout with a replicator. Episode: Timescape. The imperial shuttle appears to be more akin to the standard Starfleet shuttlecraft in that it is designed for short journeys between starships and planets. The Runabout was a more impressive role in its ability to be mission specific.

You missed somethings:: the Danube class runabout as an additional (optional) torpedo-module similar mounted as on the Miranda class ... also maneuverability of the Danube is better & it´s a smaller target + less space to store it ... and keep in mind the weapons accuracy

The most lethal weapon is the transporter. Energise and dump the pattern. No need for cruelty.

I think for the cargo pod of the Danube class, I think it would land on the planet surface, unlock the bolts ect holding it in place and then rise off it using thrusters in a similar manner to Thunderbird 2 with how that releases the pod, not counting the telescopic legs. Option two might be that the cargo pods have wheels or something to enable ground crews to pull the pod back and away from the ship.

Warp vs hyperdive speeds aren't equivalent. Warp can go anywhere. Hyperdrive can only travel hyperspace lanes. Impulse/warp vs sublight/hyperdive. Runabout is more versatile. Roundabout is also more compact for landing and avoiding weapons fire. Roundabout also has better shielding technology, and in this case more diverse weapons and coverage fire. Transporter technology etc. Federation almost always wins. Ion cannons and seismic charges notwithstanding.

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I would always prefer the Runabouts, as they were meant to be customizable depending on mission needs etc as laid out in the DS9 Compendium!! Back in 1992 when the Runabout model was first released, I built one with a custom scratch built interior with lighting and full interior including the rear compartment with the tables , chairs, bunks and consoles based off my VHS recordings of the STNG episode Timescape the ONLY time it was shown and the full cockpit with transporter system, it took me weeks drawing then creating every detail out of mostly thin sheet styrene etc, it came out beautiful! The lighting was done with colored Christmas lights power d with a DC transformer!! Back then I was the first to make an interior which was also before LED lighting etc, and I won an award for innovative design at the Utica NY modelers Show! I still have it In While I always liked the Tyderium Shuttle because it was cool and an interesting design and it was Star Wars! Back when that model first released which I think was AMT, it was pretty simple but I bought two of them and painted one like the basic model and another in gloss black with flat black panel details etcetera and blood red accent stripes on the wings and tail fin. Sadly they didn’t survive past my late teens, lol. As was pointed out in the video I never saw a practical design reason for the wings in space except to look cool!

Ah, but which craft would make for the better toy? (And would being more toyetic be a good thing or a bad thing?)

In an up close situation both weapons can easily match in damage. The limiting factor is range. The phasers far out class blasters in distance. Phasers don't need line of site and can pick off the lambda class shuttle without ever showing up on sensors.

AIUI the front pod with the cockpit is detachable for the Runabout, and the warp sled can slide off as well, providing 3 different means of access to the central pod. But yes, in the station, they probably have a recess in the floor to load through kinda like train maintenance trenches. I’ve always thought it’d be cool to see the Runabout cockpit module detach to connect to a longer freight vehicle, perhaps while the first runabout was being repaired and refuelled.

For long trips, sleeping rooms and social rooms are important as well.

This was a good attempt at a comparison, but the subject material awareness was topical at best. There are great canonical resources for both universes which could have made this a more concise comparison.

People talk a lot about number of emitters for weapons but I'm skeptical. If we successfully make energy weapons of some kind their collective output would be limited both by the amount of energy any individual emitter can run through itself without breaking and also the total power available power plant of the vessel. Doubling the number of emitters is no use at all if you're already firing as much energy out as the power plant can supply. So in that respect the wider range of angles the runabout can direct that energy to seems, to me, to make it superior to Lamda. That is if the assumption about similar amount of power is accurate.

The runabout has the advantage of 360 degree firing arc with its phasers. The lamda class shuttle can only fire its weapons in one direction. Meaning the runabout can do broadside attacks, and keep a steady stream of fire during approach as well as while coming around for a torpedo run. The shuttle is distinctly limited in its firing arc, requiring the turning of the entire craft to maintain fire on moving targets. Star trek ship shields are also much stronger than those of Star Wars. It's clearly stated in an episode of tng that lasers wouldn't even get through the navigational shields. That would imply that the runabout would have a major advantage against the shuttle in combat.

For the FTL comparison, they really have entirely different modes of transport. The runabout has a warp drive, where hyperspace isn’t really a FTL drive itself but rather lets the ship enter or exit the hyperspace network. In trek the equivalent would be something like a naturally occurring version of the Borg transwarp conduits. The lambda has an advantage in range and overall speed because it can potentially travel across the galaxy in a matter or hours or days, but with the drawback that it is limited to charted hyperspace lanes and can’t go just anywhere. The runabout can’t use hyperspace so is limited to warp speeds, but can go to warp just about anywhere it wants to. It creates an interesting situation where both can get to locations that the other can’t. The runabout can’t travel particularly far by comparison, but can reach destinations not connected to a hyperspace lane. The lambda however can reach distant planets that would take the runabout a century to reach. For the traditional “who would win in a fight” debate - runabout, no contest. It can fire phasers laterally, and is more maneuverable, so can just sit alongside the lambda outside of its firing arc and slice it to pieces. There’s also the difference in type of weaponry, the lambda having the usual plasma bolt “lasers” that keep going in a straight line once fired, versus the precision particle weapons on the runabout. The plasma bolts are more powerful per impact, but can be dodged, where a phaser beam stays locked on continuously and will cause more damage over time unless interrupted. Finally there’s the warp drive, which in this case is a decisive advantage; any time the runabout takes damage it can just do a short warp jump and stay out of range until the shields recover (unless the fight is inside a gravity well or the plot requires it to be somehow disabled) If the lambda is able to get the first shot it could probably even the odds as long as it knocks out the warp drive, which effectively cripples Starfleet ships and causes all the containers holding piles of rocks to explode into the nearest control console. That tends to fry the computers and take out the copilot, in which case they now have to worry about manual targeting and navigating at the same time and turns the phasers into a liability. The lambda’s forward cannons are effectively “point and shoot” in the direction of travel, but the phasers need to be targeted explicitly and wouldn’t be able to keep a solid lock for long enough to cause serious damage without computer control.

You missed Bennington. There was an episode in the original series where the Enterprise fired on four ships: Lexington, Yorktown, (I think Farragut), and BENNINGTON.

Great video. These two ships are close in mission, but not quite comparable. The Lambda is more of an executive personnel shuttle suited to transfer of specific officers and special ops troops. It can carry specialized cargo, but not as much as a Sentinel-class lander. The Lambda would be better compared with the Type 9 and 10 shuttles from TNG and VOY. The Runabout better compares with the capacity and modularity of the Sentinels we see in REBELS and the EU. I would also wonder how the Runabout and Type 10 shuttles would compare to the U-Wings. The Lambda's wings are used for heat radiation as well as housing the ship's shields, sensors, and communications equipment. If you look closely, it seems that the wings could be swapped out in case of damage or upgrade. If I could mount a hyperdrive on a Runabout, it would be my favorite ship. Until then, I'll stick with the U-Wing....

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If I understood Runabouts are capable of interstellar travel, while shuttles are strictly confined to short trips away from their launch vessel. That said, I know that Star Wars engine technology can travel father and faster then Star Treks. But Star Trek weapon technology is far superior to Star Wars with a few expectations. Such as the Death Star and non technology such as The Force. Some factor in the Q as a defense against Jedi, but I am on the fence if The Q and others would interfere with those wielding the Force against the Star Trek universe.

Travel Speed: SW pretty much always takes this. There are limitations, but if you generally want to get between two distant system, SW will get you there MUCH faster... that said, ST is pretty infamous for using their secret Speed of Plot engines, but we'll ignore those. Combat Speed: Well, we really have seen a shuttle in much of a fight on screen. Best we have is games to go by, and that puts them at the slower to most fighters for SW, which is not surprising. So how fast are the fighters? Well... pretty damn slow actually. They go pretty much conventional speed, both on screen and in the tech manuals. Okay, so what about ST? Well, we know they can use both their impulse (capable of about 1/4 light) and warp drive during fights, so yeah not much contest here. Cargo: As many have said, the runabout has transporters, pretty much negating any need for manual delivery, or even landing. We're not sure how much cargo they can move or how fast, but being able to deliver cargo from orbit is a pretty big time saver, so I suspect this is in the Runabouts favor. Pure style: Got to admit, I've always like the shuttle. Its just got that look to it. The runabout by contrast is... a glorified brick. It could be worse but I think it loses on the ascetic front. Practicality: The runabout just seems way more practical. It is hard to say what those wings are for as they don't really serve any convention purpose we know of (they can't properly exhaust heat at their size). So, I'm going to have to say runabout here. Still, we're dealing with a lot of mystery tech here so who knows. Okay, that's leaves us with the big ones, fire power and defense which basically go hand in hand. As many have mentioned, the runabout has a firing arc advantage that is pretty important, but ultimately, it probably doesn't matter. Fact is, from what we've seen on screen, there is no contest, ST is WAY more powerful, accurate, long range, etc, etc. In fact, this contest is so bad there is argument to be made that a ST ship could actually tank the Death Star hitting it as they've shown being able to take shots other anti-planetary sources. That's probably not the case, but the fact it can even be somewhat plausible just shows the gap. Now, the runabout isn't a star ship, but it has contributed to fights with such meaning it has enough going for it to be significantly close to a full star ship, which puts it WAY out there from the poor shuttle. So it seems the runabout is the winner. However, all that said, it depends a bit on what exactly we're comparing. If we're comparing head to head, yeah sure runabout wins, but they aren't head to head. They're in their respective universes. So I think we have to give the shuttle a lot more credit as it serves its roll fairly well, enough so that they seem to be in very wide use. Runabouts by contrast seem more specialized and most of what the imperial shuttle does is actually covered by ST shuttles which have much less going for them. So I think for overall impact on their respective universes, the SW shuttle is actually probably the better overall as it is very versatile and apparently easy on the pocket book too. Must also remember, the shuttle is a shuttle, not a fighter. Sure it has some guns, but its primary role is not combat, it is transport. The runabout, by contrast, is meant for multipurpose so it being better in a fight isn't that shocking. There is still many questions there though.

The lambda's weapons are in a fixed position and the whole ship has to be aimed at the target to score a hit. The runabout's weapons can target any craft in a 360° firing arc and does not need to be aimed at the target like the lambda shuttle.

The Runabout is definitely a more complete ship. Whereas the Lambda is your basic shuttle. In legends, the tall cetwr wing was intentionally built to be big. As a ship that tall would need to be launched from a big hanger. If your a planetary governor, and an Imperial Officer comes to talk to you, you know he flew in on a Star Destroyer.

The Star Trek shuttle also can go at warp speed in any direction it doesn't need a hyperspace Corridor also it has Shields which lasers might not cause any damage

I think your model for the Lambda Class Shuttle is a bit off in regard to the ramp. First of all the ramp is much more narrow in relation to the width of the flight deck, and second, that in the actual model, the ramp pivots from further back and below on the underside of the shuttle’s neck, and is a telescoping system. If you saw the plastic model, which I once had, you’d see that there’s plenty of room for personal on the flight deck to negotiate alongside the open ramp for ingress or egress.

What I dislike about the Runabout is.... just how safe is it to land (or crash-land) on to your warp nacelles? Wouldn't it be safer to have them lifted above the point of contact?

It really comes down to hyperdrive vs warp drive.

The comparison I use to stress how much stronger Star Trek weapons are versus Star Wars is the necessary platforms to destroy a planet. In the Star Wars universe, we require something like the Death Star to destroy a planet. A platform the size of a small planet/moon/(large)astroid. In the Star Trek universe, the Enterprise D, a platform that could literally fly into the Death Star (provided there were 'lanes' in which could fly through) several times over. The Enterprise-D in of itself, is capable of destroying a planet equal to or larger then the Death Star can, BUT, it would exhaust all of it's armaments in doing so. In Star Wars, the weapons are essentially charged plasma, whereas in Star Trek (in terms of Star Fleet, at least), they employ Nadion Particles, which, depending on the cycle and discharge rate, can be a scalpel or a full blown weapon of massive destruction. There's also the point that the X-Array of phasers from Star Trek are SUPER accurate and have a much superior firing arch to anything that Star Wars weapons can muster. Finally, the nature of the weapons used in Star Wars can be dissipated by Star Trek shields "practically all day". There is a limit to how much damage Star Fleet shields can take from the plasma based weapons in Star Wars, but a Lamda Class Shuttle is never going to punch through a Runabout shields before the Runabout can destroy it. Its just no comparison on the weapons front. Just like its no comparison on the travel speed front. You should consider comparing the dog fight capabilities too; another area Star Fleet would greatly excel at in comparison.

The runabout breaks the rule about needing a direct line of sight between the warp nacelles.

I’d call my Runabout the Amu Darya

Runabout has shields and autolock weapons. Shuttle has none of these. Its like comparing a modern jet fighter to a WW2 era propeller one. I imagine a single fazer blast at max acquisition range would fully disable if not outright destroy the shuttle.

I don't think these 2 compare that well. Metaphorically speaking, the Danube class is more like a DC-3 or some other kind of small cargo plane, whereas the Lambda class shuttle is a Gulfstream or other high end business jet. Or, since the Lambda is primarily for the transport of high ranking officials, than the Lambda class is more like the US presidential helicopter Marine One, while the Danube class is more like a Chinook.

I believe the micro torpedo launchers fire more than two shots, micro torpedoes are only 13 cm. long.

Ok you have to give the lamda shuttel that it has more style and findly bits

As opposed to heat dissipation perhaps the wings have a similar purpose to the tie-fighter plates?

Star Wars weaponry and craft weaponry are RIDICULOUSLY inaccurate. It's the opposite for Star Trek craft. The Runabout would own the Lamda in seconds. The info I've read about energy output is night and day in favor of the Federation. In addition, Star Trek vehicles don't seem to rely on lengthy calculations and wasted time calculating safe warp drive routes. The Lamda would never even see the means of its destruction.

I have the Kenner shuttle toy and the landing gear is thicker, In universe the explanation is that the shuttle is so back heavy that it does not need the front landing gear to safely land. For me the Star Trek shuttle is the better just for the fact that it is more maneuverable than the Star Wars Shuttle, as shown in Season 2 finale of the Mandalorian, and due to this the runabout will "Run about" in circles the star wars shuttle :).

I just assume that people are smart enough to use whatever universe they live in. If transporters are possible, the Empire is silly not to use them. If hyperspace exists, the Federation would to stupid to stick to the much slower warp drive (hyperspace engines also seem to require a much smaller percentage of a ship's components and share a lot of components with the ion drives). And so on. Otherwise it's like comparing Elminster to David Copperfield.

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Lone Star's Winnebago from Space Balls is better than either....even though it doesn't have any offensive abilities. Why? Because you can inject liquid Swartz straight into the drive system!

For speed, there's just no contest, at least at FTL. Star Wars ships travel at simply ludicrous speeds. Even a class one hyperdrive such as Lambda shuttles are equipped with could cross the galaxy in about a month. As opposed to even a very fast ship in Star Trek such as the USS Voyager taking about 70 years at maximum warp to cross a quadrant of the galaxy.

Aesthetically speaking, the Lambda Class Imperial Shuttle was light years ahead. It’s such a badass folding tri-wing design, lending to fantastic looking takeoffs and landings. Not to mention being a design which offers some stunning character entrances, as they descend from behind and below the flight deck. And I loved its deep tinted black windscreen and front end grill, resembling something of a late 1980’s/early 1990’s Japanese automobile. I always said it was Star Wars’s answer to the Honda Accord.

Ha! They are in no way comparable on speed, the Lambda is tens of thousands of times quicker. Secondary sources must be abandoned when they conflict with primary sources, and the primary source shows travel between the core of the galaxy to the rim in, at most, a few hours, and more commensurately, several minutes. SW essentially has jump drives. Um, well, no, the Lambda wings can be used to generate lift, just wouldn't be a fabulously efficient way to do it, but more importantly, I see zero reason to assume their purpose must be cooling. Like, legit, zero. I don't know why that would be the first guess, let alone the only one. Why could they not be, oh, I dunno, shield projectors, hyperspace tunnel prongs, comms antennae, or my take, repulsorlift / tractor beam systems? But as always, enjoy your videos, all in fun. :-)

If you hat to land the lamder on hoth that's going to be a bad day

Technically speaking Star Trek Weapons are vastly superior to Star Wars weapons. (IN OTHER WORDS ON PAPER) Practically speaking when comparing their so called superior weaponry against terrestrial objects they either fail completely or look like world War II sub kiloton power. -In Phantom Menace a Naboo Star Fighter is take down by the same tanks blasting Gungans in the field! Star Trek Voager showed full ship size photon torpedoes striking a Kazon Raider attempting to shoot up a peace conference. Not only were the disrupted more like bullet shots but the torpedo that struck the ship right out side the building had zero concussion force. We see tie fighters firing on the rock bellow the Millennium Falcon but not rock melting or craters. It's just too inconsistent...

Photon torpedoes - even micro photon torpedoes are matter antimatter warheads - Danube wins

Star Wars weapons are a lot more powerful than their Star Trek counterparts. There are places where the exact J were given for the various weapons, which were quoted in a video I saw. An X-wing is roughly equivalent to an Ambassador class cruiser so far as I can recall. (The Ambassador class is just below the level of the class which the Enterprise-D, the biggest of the Enterprise ships, occupies, which I think is designated 'Constellation'.)

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