Nice you like it.

You also forgot the unlimited amount of torpedoes it has

Love these ships too! Keep it up!

Maybe a vid on the Tel’tak from Stargate SG-1 or any of the shuttles from Star Wars?

I need to try a new spreadsheets in space game :)

In the novels, they started using Bajoran rivers as well.

@@VigilanteAgumon Jesus, that's a lot of dead runabouts.

@@DIEGhostfish it's probably more a combination of diplomacy (locals like local names), a shift in naming policy (have a portion of permanently stationed runabouts named after local rivers) and to allow there to be enough names for every runabout. My personal headcanon is that DS9's initial runabouts were pre-production units, assigned to them to preform field testing. When the tests were complete and the results were positive, other places were given the option to requisition them. I imagine that there was a massive demand for them, and that some places even asked for most of their shuttles to be replaced with runabouts at a 1-1 ratio. Of course with that many orders for them (imagine every starbase and a lot of larger starships asking for 1/2 to 3/4 of their shuttles to be replaced with runabouts), it quickly becomes necessary to expand beyond earths rivers for naming them, and that is before operational losses start to occur. The problem with starfleet shuttles is that they are only suited to short trips (probably under 12 hours), they can't carry a lot of people or cargo and they can't stand up to even light anti ship weapons. The runabout however can carry more people/cargo, can undertake multi-day missions and can take care of itself if there are amy angry locals about, all at the same time. It's just far more versatile for a lot of roles that previously had to be done using either one or multiple shuttles which is inefficient and often inconvienient, or a full on starship which would often be overkill big and are in short supply. They are the Trek equivalent to a small ocean going armed patrolboat.

@@IO-hh2fz i agree with most of this but there is still a cost to build is like 3-4 shuttles so maybe most stations have all runabouts but most ships only have like 1/3 to 1/4 of their shuttles traded out. (yes i know the federation don't use money but it still takes time and resources to make)

@@tahhotep I imagine cost isn't exactly an issue for Starfleet. Afterall, the Federation is a post-scarcity civilization with industrial replicators. Instead, the most likely issue limiting runabout numbers is going to be space. They are far bigger than most shuttles, especially compared to the minivan flying squares Starfleet seems to be going back to in Lower Decks. A station can afford a large fleet of them because they have the hangar space and can't move, so the operational range of the Runabout is essential to project the station's presence outside the immediate star system. A starship on the other hand is far smaller, and can already move between star systems on its own, so I imagine most are only going to get one Runabout, maybe two if they are big enough.

Underrated comment.

Only a reverse-ratcheting router could damage it

And spindle bearings

Not to mention all the GNDN lines behind the bulkhead adding to its rigidity.

@@louiscachet7681 Just rub some yamok sauce on it.

Just about to say just that. The strongest of any know armor in any known universe... Plot armor

Beat me to it! Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺

I need to make a character equipped with Plot Armor, Retcon Shield, Sword blessed by the Virgin Mary Sue, a BFG-OP which has unlimited range, infinite ammo, and perfect auto aim-bot, and last but not least, the all powerful Ring of Power that can create alter or destroy any multiverse.

Plotonium reinforced hull panels.

@@ethicsgradient2525 Unobtainium

On the other hand, runabouts aren't battle ships.

@@krane15 On the other other hand, runabouts get into enough fights without dying for the point to still hold.

@@a-blivvy-yus on the other had, the Defiant fights in a lot of battles along with a large fleet of starships

accursed Breen energy dampening weapons have a way of screwing up good things

Well, at least they gave us more powerful ships later on.

For the record I was referring to the events of the Mexican-American war and later conflicts with Poncho Villa roughly a century ago, not anything current. Just thought it was a neat coincidence or possible literary intent, not intended to create an opening for people to speak hate or go into digressions about the current political atmosphere.

@carlos rivas nobody mentioned race or Trump dude, you don't have to bring current politics to everything.

@carlos rivas why did you bring race into it?

@@velenteriushendeneros3251 Races are fun. Have you played Mario Cart?

@@patrickfrost9405 i have its a great game

Same here. I used to fantasize about the ideal floorplan for one person to live in it.

maybe the uss raven is a better shot for that she's a little bigger but can still be operated by 2 people

Reminds me of a thread on /tg/ where some Anon was arguing about using a Defiant Class as a HOSPITAL SHIP, thinking the ablative armored hull would make it perfect for battlefield extraction... I countered that you'd be better off using a Jupiter-class Carrier as a Hospital Mothership and send out a fleet of Ambulance Runabouts, as both have spacious deck plans perfect for medical use.

So is a bird of prey...my ride in geek day dreams

@@sid2112 exactly space for a family or more if you rip out the science stuff fast enough to keep up with a borg cube and it can land on planets

I never realized it was the sole survivor of the Runabout hunger games until now

What is today years? Ten years...?

@@JabezFuutonSpecialis r/woosh

I feel like they could have chosen a little less obvious river name.

@@piotrd.4850 corvette seems a bit too big of a term for the runabout. Corvettes are still very much ships, and as such are still rather large and crew intensive, even if small when compared to other ships. I think patrol boat, torpedo boat, or clipper are terms that would better describe it.

That’s a good name I approve

~Kira Nerys

Yeah, similar roles in two different shows. They're not pretty, but they absolutely are the workhorses of the fleet and the ship you call upon when you need to get shit done

That's exactly the parallel I make in my head. Also kind of reminds me of Moonbase Alpha Eagles, but WAAAAAAAY tougher.

That’s a good name I approve

In-canon, the Runabout makes perfect sense for outpost/frontier postings far from the Federation’s resupply chains and logistical bases. It’s not like having a Galaxy-class with its fleet of differing shuttlepods/shuttles/work-bees, et als. You need something that can do almost anything and everything. A proverbial four-door work-truck or a C-130 transport. You can imagine it running cargo and passengers, but you can also imagine it exploring and defending as well.

@@WhiteScarsEmo C-130 is another good comparison. I daresay the C-130 is the most used and useful airframe ever designed.

Definitely liveable.

Oh same. There's just something great about a ship that size that makes you just want to live in one. The Star Trek Runabouts, the Star Wars light freighters like the Millennium Falcon and Ghost, etc

Also as a Klingon, the Defiant compared to a Klingon Bird of Prey was in the same "weight class" which is even why Worf liked sleeping on-board.

@@boxhead6177 Yeah, Defiant is just cozy. Not overfilled with stuff like the bigger starships are. Small, powerful, maneuverable, and kicks ass. She's easily the most Klingon ship in the Federation

@@MPeaches1958 I sure hope not otherwise world war 3 is gonna start in five years

It's an alloy of Plotonium, Handwavioum and Deusmachinum.

@@ethicsgradient2525 that - exactly describes overall feeling from DS9 battles and logic in general.

I used to be a starship captain like you, until my Oberth took an arrow to the nacelle.

Danube class.... the anti-Oberth.

Hmph. They probably just ran out of Oberthium...

They used same tech as DS9 to shrink them when not in use.

@@specialnewb9821 Or maybe Time Lord tech

Wasn’t there a hanger deck under the shuttle bay which accessed by an elevator like on a aircraft carrier

@@gamestheory3244 yes, but the flyer was bigger than the pit.

For that reason, runabouts use up the space of two shuttles in Star Trek Adventures. My players had a Miranda-class and could only fit two runabouts and nothing else in the shuttle bay. And even that only happened after a refit that gave them a bigger shuttle bay.

Yes, I am reminded of the time Odo and Quark were traveling on a Runabout and Quark was complaining about Odo's smacking while he eats. LMAO. Then they find a bomb in the service bay behind the transporter console. :) Also, the episode where Odo rescues Weyoun. And also the time where Sisko and Dukat were searching for a Zepolite freighter and Dukat threatened to destroy their ship if the Zepolites didn't allow them to board and inspect their cargo.

I actually got the same feeling when they were on the small bridge of the Defiant. I loved O'Brien complaining about being surrounded by women in his apartment or discussing how they mess with Worf just like a bunch of friends would in their downtime. Harder to do that in the sprawling bridge of the Enterprise.

Agreed, just imagine Han Solo getting his hands on a runabout. I think he only would be disappointed by her FTL speed.

@@Taiko206 They are at least as modular and reconfigurable as a stock light freighter. Han would find a way to mate a hyperdrive module with Federation technology.

@@Euripides_Panz Yeah I guess if anyone would be able to do that it would be Solo.

@@MPeaches1958 Those would be pretty awesome for smuggling, actually. "No contraband on board, sir." "WHAT?? I SAW the Wookie carry the box in!" "Yessir. Nothing here now, though." "I was WATCHING the door the WHOLE TIME!!"

_"I_ am the U.S.S. Rio Grande. I'm very much alive and I intend to STAY that way."

Same, I always had a soft spot for the Danube class. It's the only class I could see wanting to have at my disposal in the Trek universe, small enough to fly and crew alone, large enough to be comfortable for longer trips, and versatile.

@@Sw33tum It's like Starfleet's version of a RV!😁

Yeah, I think the type 9 and Type 11 that are the only decent looking designs. the rest do have that Minivan style.

I kinda like the Type 6 and the TOS Shuttles.

Shuttle, not speedboat. Have you seen a "shuttle" rolling the road? They aren't the most attractive vehicles being driven around. They perform a utility, nothing more.

I don't know why there weren't a hundred phaser arrays pointed at the opening of the wormhole, the moment the dominion decides to come through they should just get lit up one by one, naaah we let multiple fleets enter the Alpha quadrant and fly to cardassian space before we bother to do anything that could provoke them.

Little?

@@ZeroB4NG it wasn't federation space yet. it was Bajoran space and the other powers wouldn't allow a huge fed presence.

@@ZeroB4NG There may not have been 100 phasers, but there where a few dozen at least. Ds9 was an ore processing and administrative station under the cardassians. Sisko turned it into a battle station that turned away an entire Klingon fleet by itself, and it took a huge dominion fleet to take it at the beginning of the war.

@@ZeroB4NG Even if they were allowed to put defense platforms around the wormhole, before the war officially started, the Federation had no justification for automatically firing on Dominion ships. Although, they would have it coming for obliterating the Gamma quadrant colonies instead of just evicting them. Afterwards, who's to say Starfleet didn't put up a defense network offscreen.

I mean.... they were.

I remember Generation Films called Valiant a "Ship full of Wesley Crushers" in one of their videos.

Where's the lie?

DS9 was a Cardassian station, it didn't have Federation replicators especially none up to the standard to be manufacturing military/space hardware at a quality for shuttle reconstruction.

@@boxhead6177 True but DS9 had Starfleet nearby to supply them. The station itself didn't have to make them - whereas Voyager was alone and had no choice.

Voyager a complete wreck at the end of the episode, next week has brand new walls and carpet and can run the holo deck 24/7

"In my headcanon" = "In my delusional wish fulfilment fantasy"

@@mattheww2797 Well we do not know how much time there is between episodes, maybe a month, so there was cleanup going on while the cameras were off?

Swap out the clunky warp drive for a Goa'ld scout ship's hyperdrive and it's a winner

@@tigerbread78 I like the way you think sir

Danube was a good design that should replace all other older Starfleet shuttles (with some Danube's sub variants). But as sturdy shuttles go - Delta flayer was the best.

@@krzosu Variation on the same thought process by a different engineering team.

Holy shit you're right

"Oh, so IMPORTANT people will be flying this? Hey Charlie, delete the plasma grenades from the console specs." You've uncovered Starfleet's master plan to reduce overpopulation by recruiting the masses into the fleet and then "accidentally" killing them. You didn't REALLY think a ship whose computer could accurately simulate multiple sapient beings at once, actually needed a crew of 1000, did you? 🤫

I'd totally 2nd that. They could have shown more of the inside of these little ships as they could be customised in so many ways depending on what was needed at the time.

I'm guessing production budget limited it. The CGI money were saved for big events and you still need money to build more miniatures.

I would have liked to see it with a haul a storage container slung under it. Like a space trucker. Or with a scientific pod similar to the Orbirth.

I'd love to see one drop off a mobile module on a planet like those LAAT gunships in star wars that carry republic walkers.

@@thepurpleapple or taking off with the aft section left behind and flying home with just the cockpit and nacelles, like Thunderbird 2. (Maybe that’s what you meant as well!)

This is kinda like Ryan Johnson taking a massive dump on ppl who asked him to be true to the source material - everyone was a "man child" in his words. Like, if you want to do an original IP, do it, see how it does, but don't slap the sticker of a franchise with fans who really care about this stuff and then be surprised if ppl don't like that you don't. How is that level of oversight even possible? He prolly has some fav movie or show that apparently doesn't care about deep lore and shit and if someone would go all Inception Cloud Atlas Donnie Darko on its sequel, you'd assume that would piss him off too, no? It's just baffling how many directors just don't care about the art they are supposed to be a part of.

@@fredwupkensoppel8949 dude episode 8 came out over three years ago grow up

@@fredwupkensoppel8949 Or Zach Snyder mocking fans for their outrage at Batman going on a killing spree with guns, saying something like "of course Batman would use guns, why wouldn't he?" not getting because he's The Goddamn Batman

@@VegetaLF7 Makes you wonder if Snyder had watched Funny or Die's "Bad Man" series instead of any previous iterations of Batman.

IDK, I have a hard time believing any ongoing scarcity plot points in a universe with matter assembly and replication technology. The whole growing food to "save energy" thing just seemed like a dumb excuse to keep Neelix around and make fun of his cooking.

Plot armor is best armor.

Danube-class runabouts are the only vessels in the history of Starfleet that were built with non-explosive computer consoles. That's why they lasted so long.

Jokes like these contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation.

@@loonyladle3987 yeah but they're funny, and if one person laughs to it then I'm happy

@@deusexaethera and no rocks inside them to kill nearby officers when exploding.... lol

Compared to most starfleet vessels it definitely is among the most practical usage of the tech they have at their disposal. It doesn't require more than a single pilot, has a surprisingly spacious interior for such a small ship, and packs enough firepower to serve a fairly potent gunship/fast attack craft all in one.

ironically in the VOY the Yellowstone class runabout was represented by a Danube class. the Yellowstone only got its own look thanks to STO.

@@glitterboy2098 I was confused by the comment at first because they used the same shooting model (and also the various backlit diagrams they showed). Didn’t know it was in STO as looking different.

fighters are meaningless in stories where weapon power comes form the power of the reactor of the ship. phasers and shields are directly proportional to energy made by the warp core. and the targeting system on star trek ships has been shown to easily hit small fast moving targets at multiple AU form the ship with pinpoint accuracy a so smarter photon torpedo, being a matter/antimatter bomb, would be more useful then fighters in every case. fighters would get blown out of space before they could get in range of any ship.

i think he was just taking the shuttlecraft to a fed base and was going to figure out what to do with his life.

Lasses.

Oddly agreed with you, if an FTL starship with tractor beams, cutting lasers, matter rearranging replicator thingiebobs and teleorters cant stripmine an asteroid belt to build a shuttle or twelve every so often then whats the point of going to space.

True and, IIRC, the network was really big on hitting the reset button every episode, no story arcs, not carrying over damage, ETC. They snuck some stuff in here and there, but if it didn't have a "part" in the title, reset.

Bit of a shame, that. All they really had to do was show Voyager nomming a rock with a tractor beam every so often and a lot of people would probably have been willing to accept it.

Tbf, it wasn't complete scarcity, I always thought that the crew could find resources and parts from space traders or nearby trade friendly planets. Considering Neelix's previous occupation, he would have known where they could get a lot of stuff they needed.

That's because by that time the franchise had worked out most of the bugs. What always bothered me was all the senior officer going on away missions and performing menial tastes. Officers don't do those jobs, they assign people to do them. Like the video states, they filled these continuity gaps.

Maybe the federation fighters are just cheaper to make. The way they went through them I sure hope so

​@@aaronmitchell2281 memory alpha indicates those were originally support couriers that the Maquis acquired and modified into fighters. the raiders were apparently a class of starship built in the 2330s that in the 2370s the maquis got their hands on and modified as well. seems like with the Mirandas Starfleet retrofited a bunch of older ships since making new advanced ones required more resources. plus it would be easier to automate and train crew for these fighter and raider craft.

yeah, the Federation Fighter first appeared with the maquis, said to be an uparmed Courier. basically an oversized long range shuttle used to carry small important cargos/individual VIP's and important secure messages to places fast without using a full starship. odds are the federation had tons of those in civilian use or sitting around in boneyards that starfleet could obtain and mount guns to in order to create attack fighters. though we know that they did start developing some new Runabout sized starships, like that long range scout Data used in Insurrection. at a guess, the armed Couriers were used as fighters because they were easy to arm and were proven as a concept from the fight with the Maquis, while the less common runabouts and similar craft were used for more support roles.

Yeah

same. Delta Flyer FTW!

Ah, someone who isn't afraid to be objectively wrong! Very brave. 😉

@@TheLH86 or foolish. Mayhap both?

@@gorvarhadgarson5227 The Delta Flyer has real buttons and instruments for the Pilot. Not just those damm touch controls. Who can say no to that?

I like both ships for different reasons. The flyer class is certainly an awesome design.

The only good thing about Voyager was it gave us the ability for man/starship perspective, and thirst and only opportunity to see one land.

Tripp wanted to give Archer a chair with inertial dampeners, claiming he'd have a smooth ride while the ship is being ripped apart around him. Archer declined. The technology exists in that universe, but it takes away from the dramatic impact of the scene.

Yep, the inertial dampers mitigated the need for seat belts. Unless they were "offline" which they often were.

@@krane15 If they were offline, the crew would be street pizza.

@@Euripides_Panz You're not the biggest fan of the franchise are you? They go offline the second the ships go into battle.

@@krane15 shawnbricewi ain't wrong. You wouldn't feel the loss of dampers, because your nervous system would have been shut down before you had time to notice you were about to go through the bulkhead.

Gene Rodenberry would have likely rolled in his grave over it. I personally liked Enterprise more if you skipped about half the episodes. They cancelled it just when it started getting good.

@@KMCA779 Seems to be a popular opinion that I couldn't agree more with myself

Nice , yery early, good job :)

Jokes like these contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Jokes like these contribute absolutely nothing to the conversation.

It was originally designed to reuse the runabout sets.

@@KEVMAN7987 Good "behind the scenes" trivia, but the show's storyline never actually explained why. Some say that the Aerowing wasn't in there and never installed before Voyager's mission to the Badlands. But, if that's the case, Voyager's crew built from scratch the Delta flyer but they couldn't build the Aerowing?

@@starbrand3726 Only in universe reason I can think of is that they didn’t want to risk losing a ship that forms a part of the hull.

@@mb2000 Finally, that's the most reasonable explanation I've heard to date. Brilliant! 😀

@@starbrand3726 Thank you very much! Would have been nice if they gave it lip service though, like someone suggests using it and Janeway shoots the idea down.

get out now while you still can. lol

@@piotrd.4850 clarify please.