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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, Season 2 Review!

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Steve Shives

Steve Shives

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@dm121984
@dm121984 Жыл бұрын
In "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow", a small but great moment for me is how Alt. Kirk is against 'fixing' the timeline because he and his reality won't exist anymore. And he maintains that position until La'An accidentally mentions his brother being alive and Kirk is just stunned by this and immediately after that point, he's totally on board with restoring the timeline. Classic Kirk - the thing that flips his decision is he emotional link to his family and friends. He could be very logical in TOS, but he was so loyal to Spock and McCoy, he would often break the rules to save them.
@Steve-wo7gt
@Steve-wo7gt Жыл бұрын
Re: Kirk's loyalty. That's one of the many things that makes him my all time favorite Trek character.
@foxesofautumn
@foxesofautumn Жыл бұрын
I loved that too! They’ve really nailed Kirk’s character.
@angelfieseler5358
@angelfieseler5358 Жыл бұрын
Pike has that loyalty to see last episode with captain Bartel and he freezes ( or we think he freezes) because his crew has been beamed to the Gorn,Gorn are attacking and starfleet is telling him to go away. Pike is definitely loyal to his crew not just his favorites
@talon262
@talon262 Жыл бұрын
Sarek : Kirk, I thank you. What you have done is... Kirk : What I have done, I had to do. Sarek : But at what cost? Your ship. Your son. Kirk : If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul.
@dm121984
@dm121984 11 ай бұрын
@@angelfieseler5358 Absolutely - Pike is clearly extremely torn at the end of the season between his duty to starfleet and his duty to his crew. I was totally not trying to cast shade on Pike, who is possibly my new favourite trek captain.
@Kairamek
@Kairamek Жыл бұрын
Spock engaging in Bloodwine Diplomacy is a nice touch. In the sixth film it was Spock who opened dialog with the Klingons.
@vikrantpulipati1451
@vikrantpulipati1451 Жыл бұрын
Regarding Under the Cloak of War: For me, the near delirious panic in Chapel's voice when she realized the Klingons were massacring children was what sold the hellish reality of that fictional war. The portrayals in that episode were phenomenal.
@MarcSGA
@MarcSGA Жыл бұрын
The “You could just not look” scene in Those Old Scientists is amazing
@sokonek1
@sokonek1 Жыл бұрын
We can not look can we?
@Kleion_RFB
@Kleion_RFB Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Steve hasn't mentioned the obvious tie-in to Pike's story in the cliffhanger. "Among the Lotus Eaters" seems specifically positioned in the season to remind us of what happened on Rigel 7. Pike chose to retreat from the attack, leaving behind crew members there, which left him wracked with enough guilt that he considered resigning his commission, and then it also turned out that Zac was alive and irrevocably changed the culture on the planet. Now in Hegemony he's positioned in the same way. He's under an assault he can't hope to win and Starfleet is ordering him to retreat, which would mean abandoning the colonists and his crew who have been abducted by the Gorn. It's a clever parallel and I'm sure we'll see more of it if we can pry the money to pay these people fairly out of the grasping hands of the fucking execs.
@cartoonkelly7924
@cartoonkelly7924 Жыл бұрын
I love when Pike refers to dealing with these particular time travelers as trying to keep a toddler from knocking over the furniture.
@thomaswedge42
@thomaswedge42 11 ай бұрын
Pike's reaction faces during season 2 are amazing, he's my favourite background character to watch when he's not the lead during a scene.
@rmdodsonbills
@rmdodsonbills 11 ай бұрын
I also liked the point where Boimler and Mariner were trying to give him advice while not giving away his future and he says, I what you're doing and I already know.
@Christopher_Culpepper
@Christopher_Culpepper Жыл бұрын
I agree with Steve about Paul Wesley. Watching him, I can believe that guy will become the Kirk from the TOS. He's playing a young Kirk that will grow into a captain. And I also agree on the weird timeline divergence from our own. To paraphrase MST3K: "Just repeat to yourself: 'It's just a show, I should really just relax...' "
@Klijpo
@Klijpo Жыл бұрын
He has a look of Jack Lord in the set of his jawline, which is of interest because Lord was first choice to play Kirk, but demanded too much money, so Shatner got the part instead.
@st.anselmsfire3547
@st.anselmsfire3547 Жыл бұрын
I was telling my oldest about how painful it was to wait for the resolution on the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger when I was nine. She thought it would suck to have to wait that long on a show you love. Then came the cliffhanger in the middle of basically all of Hollywood going on strike. Now, she understands the pain I felt in the summer of 1990.
@alegsb3943
@alegsb3943 Жыл бұрын
and now it’s probably gonna be a whole YEAR until we get the next season lol
@DawnDavidson
@DawnDavidson Жыл бұрын
Right?? This is going to be even longer. *sigh* I blame it on the execs without a doubt. Solidarity with the actors and writers.
@arsarma1808
@arsarma1808 Жыл бұрын
I like how T'pring and Spock's relationship is strained by him living on a starship. He is constantly busy and being affected by anomalies which make their relationship strained. Also, T'pring's dad really needs to be rescued. He just wants to eat his vulcan chip.
@brianbaker2455
@brianbaker2455 Жыл бұрын
Spock and O'Brien have the common experiences of trying to make a relationship work when you are in a tightly controlled atmosphere. I have military friends who watched DS9 because of the Keiko/O'Brien relationship. Spock and T'Pring have a similar situation. Even when I saw Amok Time back in the 1970s I always thought that T'Pring was acting in her own best interest and that she had outgrown her relationship with Spock. Spock's reply, having is not always as good as wanting, really worked for me. He ended the relationship knowing that he could not provide what he wanted and what T'Pring expected of him, and that she had choosen to get what she needed (or wanted.) A very feminist episode in a time when feminism was not the social standard.
@aaronsugar7228
@aaronsugar7228 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if T'Pring's dad will leave and follow Sybok.
@AndrewD8Red
@AndrewD8Red Жыл бұрын
T'Pring's dad is a wonderful man and desperately needs to get whatever the Vulcan version of a divorce is... probably a D'Vorce.
@Yibambe.
@Yibambe. 11 ай бұрын
@@AndrewD8RedHe’s not wonderful if he lets himself go along with a bully - and it’s not logical that he does.
@magister343
@magister343 11 ай бұрын
If Vulcan divorce customs are "logical" as their wedding customs, then it probably involved a battle to the death similar to kal-if-fee. @@AndrewD8Red
@sheepwshotguns42
@sheepwshotguns42 Жыл бұрын
im with steve on basically every take except his position on lower decks. that shit's hilarious. even the silly crossover was my favorite episode in this season. i see you trying to both sides it, and i aint have'n it. its beautiful.
@Enforcer6k
@Enforcer6k Жыл бұрын
Yeah, while I don't agree with Steve, I at least understand his perspective on Lower Decks, and I appreciate that he doesn't make hating it a whole thing. He's willing to give stuff a chance and really only engages with cheap shots in a winking fashion, like with the "Captain Janeway will use laser eyes on me if I talk bad about Voyager" bit that shows up from time to time.
@foxesofautumn
@foxesofautumn Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Comedy is very subjective but that also ignores the fact that Lower Decks doesn’t only do comedy. There is also character work and drama, action, what have you. But I appreciate it’s not for Steve and that’s fine. It doesn’t have to be!
@mkang8782
@mkang8782 Жыл бұрын
The show would have been hard pressed to follow up the "perfect" first season with a second one that was equally strong. To their credit, I think they chose to commit more focus on making the bold choices over the safe ones. That tells me that after the first season, they trusted everyone's capabilities, so, the risks weren't completely doomed from the start. Both "Those Old Scientists" and "Subspace Rhapsody" have one thing in common that helped them immensely: they hung the lampshade early, proudly, and without hesitation. They made it known what the underlying tone was going to be, and committed to it. It was woven into the fabric of the show without being shoved right in the audience's face. #UnionStrong #solidarity
@MsSissiePooh
@MsSissiePooh Жыл бұрын
I’m wondering if they’ll be able to keep up the quality that was set in the first and second seasons, particularly since there will be (at the very least) a two to (possibly) three year wait for SNW season 3, and there’s a risk that enthusiasm for the series will wane as time goes by and fans search for something new to pass the time. The problem for SNW is that if the fans find something brighter, shinier and newer that’s captured their attention and interest, getting them to return to the series after a cliffhanger they may have forgotten about could be difficult.
@angelfieseler5358
@angelfieseler5358 Жыл бұрын
It showed that it would go that way in season 1 The Elysian Kingdom ( which was my least favorite until I did a rewatch and I loved it)
@andylalor225
@andylalor225 Жыл бұрын
The only change I would make to "Those Old Scientists" would be, at the end when we can hear Rutherford and Tendi through the portal, to look through from the past side and see live-action versions of them. When I watched it, i thought, "Are we... are they gonna...", but no, we weren't, they didn't. Missed opportunity...
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
I was sad about that too.
@enderjed
@enderjed Жыл бұрын
Re: Under the Cloak of War Morally M'BENGUOUS Come on, Steve, it was sitting right there!
@krazzeeaj
@krazzeeaj Жыл бұрын
The Broken Circle wasn't supposed to be the season opener, Ad Astra per Aspera was the original premiere but it was shifted because Anson Mount was on paternity leave when filming started. It's why he's not as present in the season as he had previously been, they gave him as much time off as they could manage.
@AndrewD8Red
@AndrewD8Red Жыл бұрын
I think, by and large, season two was better than season one. Sure, S1 has Quality Of Mercy and Spock Amok, but S2 has Charades, Those Old Scientists and Subspace Rhapsody. The average for both is probably about the same. Still impressed at how remarkably consistent the whole thing is. There's, at most, four episodes out of twenty that I'll probably skip on a rewatch. That is pretty damn good value, if you ask me.
@allclevernamesgone
@allclevernamesgone Жыл бұрын
Yup, I agree. I discovered (or reaffirmed) what my secret sauce is for enjoying trek ------ It's variety. I have enjoyed Disco/Picard but I end up overdosing on the characters of Burham/Picard after a while. The variety of characters and creative storytelling keep SNW fresh.
@andrewanastasovski1609
@andrewanastasovski1609 Жыл бұрын
I noticed you didn't mention the Klingons in Subspace Rhapsody. I was kind of only half watching, because I was doing something else, and songs can convey plot points without having to listen very closely until the Klingons. I always focus more closely whenever Klingons show up, and their performance got a good laugh of appreciation out of me that time.
@coriolass
@coriolass Жыл бұрын
Yes! Really never liked K Pop before.
@madbradfreeman
@madbradfreeman Жыл бұрын
Had no idea the K stood for Klingon!
@HorrorMetalDnD
@HorrorMetalDnD 11 ай бұрын
@@coriolass, you haven’t heard K-Pop until you’ve listened to it in the original Klingon.
@finnbaker3985
@finnbaker3985 Жыл бұрын
This season had very consistent execution. Even during episodes like Among the Lotus Eaters where I don't like the core concept, the execution of the concept is always done well. Especially by the actors. I love all of these characters and the way the actors bring them to life. Edit: Spelling of Lotus as Locust, thanks Hudson.
@Hudson316
@Hudson316 Жыл бұрын
*Lotus. References greek mythology, not nibbling insects
@georgelionon9050
@georgelionon9050 Жыл бұрын
BTW: Among the Lotus Eaters was actually the one and only real "strange new world" in this season.
@magister343
@magister343 11 ай бұрын
It wasn't a new world, as they had been there before and left a crew member bind. @@georgelionon9050
@rainbow_doglover8301
@rainbow_doglover8301 Жыл бұрын
I think my only issue with the Spock turns human episode was that the aliens refused to believe Chapel cared about Spock until she basically admitted she had romantic feelings for him. It felt really weird and forced. Like, they basically said that a person wouldn’t do something like that for a friend, which, what? Classic Kirk would totally do that for Spock. Trying to restore someone to their full self is something you’d do for anyone you care about - a best friend, a sibling, etc. Other than that I loved the episode
@psoma_brufd
@psoma_brufd Жыл бұрын
It's ultimate bureaucracy taken to the extreme but based on our bureaucracy, we literally do have principles where only the next of kin is allowed to make medical decisions about someone else.
@brianbaker2455
@brianbaker2455 Жыл бұрын
Remember the TNG episode where Minuet (spelling) showed up? It was a clumsy exploration of emotional experience by a race that seemed incapable of feeling that for themselves. Even in modern culture, despite our interconnectedness and more prevalent common experiences, some people don't react to a situation in a way that I understand. That's not their fault, it's mine for not being able to communicate with them. IDIC
@chrisblake4198
@chrisblake4198 Жыл бұрын
I had no trouble believing that. As someone who has had to navigate insurance customer service, or state government helplines for a sick friend, to have my standing to request assistance questioned by people 'just doing their job' it was VERY real.
@foxesofautumn
@foxesofautumn Жыл бұрын
I don’t think that’s the framing though. They don’t use bureaucratic language which, if that’s the intention, they should have. I also feel like it was contrived to force Christine to name her feelings.
@IcePhoenix295
@IcePhoenix295 Жыл бұрын
Well put.@@psoma_brufd
@silversam
@silversam Жыл бұрын
Chapel: get outta here, gimme some money too Spock: (stoic Depeche Mode rumblings) Love this season
@chrisblake4198
@chrisblake4198 Жыл бұрын
I loved 'Under the Cloak of War' because if you want to talk about efficiency in storytelling, the sound design that gave us "incoming transport... incoming transport..." is on the same level as TOS Red Alert klaxon, or the self-destruct sequence of the films. It instantly spiked the tension and when it came back later in the episode, the incipient panic was real as the transporter malfunctioned. Then M'Benga makes the call, the tension is resolved, but the horror remains. Like the characters, you're left numb. The patient in the buffer is dead, the fresh wounded are on the pad, and 'incoming transport...' is still ringing in your years.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
It was nicely done.
@aaronring4704
@aaronring4704 Жыл бұрын
"Spock and T'Pring decide to take a break..." Cue off-screen interaction during "Amok Time:" Spock: WE WERE ON. A. BREAK!
@Oonagh72
@Oonagh72 Жыл бұрын
They really messed up with Spock and T’Pring because they had too much chemistry. They really seemed to love and respect one another. They were really able to somehow balance the cold Vulcan with deep emotion. The writers created a situation where I can root for Chappell and Spock.
@Yibambe.
@Yibambe. 11 ай бұрын
But T’Pring didn’t even discuss taking a break with Spock. That’s not respectful. And I’m sure she didn’t expect her still fiancé to fall into bed with someone five minutes later. Also not respectful. Chapel pulled away from the relationship because of Boimler. I would rather see her with M’Benga - chemistry! - than Roger Korby. He had better be more compelling than the TOS one.
@LAJ-47FC9
@LAJ-47FC9 Жыл бұрын
Subspace Rhapsody is probably my favourite episode of the series so far, for precisely the reason you mentioned near the end: it was Star Trek throwing science at the wall and seeing what stuck. I loved the episode itself to pieces, but what it represents, a boldness on the part of the creators, that puts it in that top spot.
@christopherddrew7555
@christopherddrew7555 Жыл бұрын
I think I read Under the Cloak of War differently than you and Jason. I am not 100% sure if M'Benga did start the fight. I tend to lean towards believing he and Chapel when they say M'Benga defended himself when Dak'Rah attacked. I think we were told by his actions on J'Gal to escape, his moment of rage when he burnt his hands, and his lying about his actions on J'Gal that Dak'Rah was always ready to do what protected and advanced him. That look of, 'I want to murder you all' when he burnt his hands only to slide into the diplomatic smile looked like keeping up appearances to me. His defection to Star Fleet presumably saved his life instead of being put to death for failure. He wanted M'Benga to help him carry on this deception and image. M'Benga didn't want to do that because he knew the truth, and when he finally told him, and show him how much of the truth he knew, I think Dak'Rah attacked M'Benga so his lie wouldn't be exposed. I know a big part of the episode is that some wounds don't heal. But I don't think we should overlook that Dak'Rah wasn't a true agent of change. He was a lying, deceiving coward play acting as ambassador, who I think tried to murder M'Benga when he realized someone knew the truth.
@brianbaker2455
@brianbaker2455 Жыл бұрын
I've experienced situations where someone else wanted to take responsibility for my mistakes, and I understand. The person offering is usually someone who is more protected than you, and they can take the heat. M'Benga was serving the truth of the situation, not the perception of it. I get that. Like when Ferris Bueller offered to take the heat for the car being destroyed at the end of Ferris Bueller s Day Off. Cameron took the responsibility because he knew it would define him and change the relationship with his father.
@AdamWarner
@AdamWarner Жыл бұрын
100% . The hot takes about how M'Benga got away with murder don't actually match what is shown in the episode. We never see who picks up the weapon, we never see is holding it when the killing blow is landed. M'Benga just says that he is happy Rah is dead, not that he killed him. All framed in a way so that no one, including Chapel knows what happened for certain. Mirroring M'Benga's position earlier in the story. For all we know, Rah tried to end his life and M'Benga was trying to stop him. Rah was a war criminal, a defector and was about to be exposed as a fraud and a coward. I'm not sure what else he could have done to make himself more dishonourable in Klingon culture. As was shown earlier in the episode, Rah is not above taking the cowards away out.
@Kleion_RFB
@Kleion_RFB Жыл бұрын
I think I would have liked the ending more if it were explicit that Dak'Rah had died accidentally after M'Benga had taken the knife out, but then the question left unanswered was "was M'Benga going to kill him?" or even if some medical emergency caused Dak'Rah to come under M'Benga's care and then he died. Did M'Benga actually do everything he could to save the man or did he simply allow him to die when the injury was potentially treatable? I tend to agree that Chapel and M'Benga didn't lie, but I think the other interpretation is equally valid and I don't think it's necessarily a good look that M'Benga may possibly have gotten away with murder.
@AltraWave7
@AltraWave7 Жыл бұрын
Poor Sam Kirk, everyone seems to forget he was in the landing party and taken by the Gorn with the others.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
He's a character I've come to feel for given how little he's appreciated by the other characters or the writers. Tbf we know he has complete plot armour so it's difficult to feel much anxiety about him being captured by The Gorn.
@UkyoSensuke
@UkyoSensuke Жыл бұрын
I put season 2 just a hair above season 1 because of my well-documented love for the more absurd side of Star Trek. Also the Subspace Rhapsody soundtrack has been on a loop in my head frequently since it aired.
@meandmyEV
@meandmyEV Жыл бұрын
Agreed. As someone else said in these comments, they leaned into it early and honestly. As much as I love serious, social commentary Trek, it is these silly episodes that make the show great and somehow make the serious episodes all the more thought provoking and meaningful. The silly shows are very much in the spirit of the original vision for the entire universe in my opinion.
@randykoger4646
@randykoger4646 11 ай бұрын
@@meandmyEVsilly beyond redemption.
@fbelard
@fbelard 11 ай бұрын
"Reports of musical outbreaks have come in from every deck." This is the funniest line in the whole season imo.
@pastoh1
@pastoh1 11 ай бұрын
​@@fbelard Nah: "Admiral April said, it a surprisingly good baritone..."
@rosab4698
@rosab4698 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this review! Your reviews with Jason are fun, but y'all tend to amplify each others snark in a way that is not always that helpful... so I appreciated your breakdown now that you've had a chance to chew on the season.
@AndrewD8Red
@AndrewD8Red Жыл бұрын
My personal rankings for anyone who gives a damn: Broken Circle: 7.0/10.0 Per Ardua, Ad Astra: 6.0/10.0 Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow: 8.5/10.0 Among The Lotus Eaters: 6.5/10.0 Charades: 10.0/10.0 Lost In Translation: 7.5/10.0 Those Old Scientists: 9.5/10.0 Under The Cloak Of War: PASS Subspace Rhapsody: 9.5/10.0 Hegemony: 5.5/10.0
@AndrewD8Red
@AndrewD8Red Жыл бұрын
Cloak Of War was SOOOO GOOOOD. But the ending retroactively ruined the whole thing... which is a damn shame.
@peterwyetzner5276
@peterwyetzner5276 Жыл бұрын
I am very impressed with the fact that Steve correctly pronounces the Latin phrase used in the title of one episode, when even the actors themselves do not.
@magister343
@magister343 11 ай бұрын
He pronounced it better than they do, putting the emphasis on the right syllables, but said it with an American accent rather than the proper Classical Latin vowel quality and phonemic vowel length.
@Hudson316
@Hudson316 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, a chunk of the reaction to Jason is because when he likes something and you don't it's usually funny, but when he disliked things during this season it was often for pretty bad reasons like him not understanding the ending of Under The Cloak of War, or him being a musical snob about Subspace Rhapsody, or him just complaining each episode about it not being about Ortegas instead of anything actually about the episode.
@cainsolo1
@cainsolo1 Жыл бұрын
I love Pelia, her character works for me. I know I won't get this but I'd love to see an episode that involves Pelia and Flint. Like Pelia helps Flint design M4 with Richard Daystrom's help, which leads to Daystrom creating M5
@chrisblake4198
@chrisblake4198 Жыл бұрын
As a concept she's great. As an accepted fact of life to be put into the series and Federation Society, I find her and her species to be endlessly frustrating. Partly from the New thing in and Old timeline problem that all Trek series in the past run into, and partly because the way they handle it within SNW just feels half baked. You mean to tell me at some point we discovered a race of immortal aliens had been living amongst us on Earth and their presence had no major effects on human history, and their discovery had no ripple effects on the fictional society we're familiar with, to the point that when these characters encounter one, it's rare enough to be amazing, but also something that everyone is instantly comfortable with and it's no big deal? It's just so weird.
@cainsolo1
@cainsolo1 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisblake4198 As opposed to Star Trek taking the Highlander route and having Flint be the only one? What if Flint was from the same race as Pelia?
@mranthonymills
@mranthonymills Жыл бұрын
Pelia is basically TNG's Guinan, and needs to be approached with the same minimal thought about what it means to the universe.
@Adamdidit
@Adamdidit Жыл бұрын
​@@cainsolo1Highlander famously failed to stick to that idea a ton.
@erf3176
@erf3176 Жыл бұрын
I really liked this season. But Steve is right, the first one was better. Second one was solid enough that we can safely expect a good third season or even one who rivals the first.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid season 2 was a big step down. Quite surprised that some people have said it was better. On reflection I think the acting is generally better as the actors have become more comfortable with the characters, but I thought the stories were mostly slight. They would mostly have been improved if they had lost about a third of their run time.
@danielfinn2190
@danielfinn2190 Жыл бұрын
Steve, I love ya buddy. I may not always agree with your opinions, political or otherwise but cool ; whom ever agrees on everything??? Keep on doing you brother. I look forward to watching and agreeing/disagreeing for many more years brother 🖖🏻
@BigNoseDog
@BigNoseDog Жыл бұрын
Season 2 was definitely weaker than Season 1, but it was by no means bad. The show took big risks with the Lower Decks crossover and musical episode. Both were a success. The show also did a great job developing characters like Uhura, Chapel, and La’an. But there were several things I didn’t like. First was how Pike was written. We saw very little of him as a captain and, when we did, he didn’t come across as a strong leader. The final moment of the finale paints him as someone who’s overwhelmed and unsure of himself. Second was the Spock/Chapel relationship. Even though we knew it wouldn’t last, I’m glad the writers decided to explore it. But why end it only 4 episodes after it started? It’s as if the writers decided character arcs could only last one season. Third, Ortegas wasn’t given enough material. I feel like the writers don’t know what to do with the character. Lastly, there was too much Kirk. The amount of screen time they gave to Kirk could’ve gone to one of the regulars like Ortegas or M’Benga. I hope the writers take advantage of the strike to reflect on seasons 1 and 2 to figure out what worked, what didn’t, and what areas need improvement.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
You have articulated my own thoughts. I would add that despite her trial being so important Una has been given as little to do this season as she was last season.
@BigNoseDog
@BigNoseDog 11 ай бұрын
@@alanpennie8013all Trek shows struggle with the first officer character unless that character has another function, like science officer. Una often fills in at various bridge stations when the regular person (Ortegas, Mitchell, etc.) is missing, which I guess is better than having her just sit there like a block of wood ala Chakotay.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 11 ай бұрын
​@@BigNoseDog Good point. On the Chakotay scale Una isn't doing too badly.
@thomaswedge42
@thomaswedge42 11 ай бұрын
Both Pike and Ortegas's actors had personal reasons why they weren't around as much in season 2, Pike's actor (Anson Mount) became a father for the first time shortly before season 2 was filmed and Ortegas's actress (Mellissa Navia) lost her husband to cancer three days after it was diagnosed, which is why Ortegas was given a reduced role as she almost quit the show.
@BigNoseDog
@BigNoseDog 11 ай бұрын
@@thomaswedge42I’m aware of the behind the scenes reasons why both actors were absent and I applaud the producers for accommodating the actors. But in the case of Pike, it wasn’t just that he was absent for a big chunk of the season. It was also how we was used when he was there. I think we saw Pike spend more time in his kitchen than on the bridge. And on too many occasions, it felt like he was simply deferring to others instead of leading.
@RedGeist
@RedGeist Жыл бұрын
I always appreciate your Star Trek essays and reviews. It did feel like the show-runners had agency to try just about anything as far as thematic concepts go. I did not expect a musical, that's for sure! I do feel like the inclusion of Pellia was a standout odd one. I loved Carol Kane's performance, but not her character. 'Immortal witch grandma hoarder' would not be my first choice to add to a Star Trek ensemble cast. I appreciated the Spock farse episode as much as everyone else did, I think- but overall, I believe the season suffered from perhaps one too many hard pivots in tone. I'd love just one more adventure where the crew has to solve a problem in the quintessentially unconventional fashion, but without a gimmick like time travel, or a musical, or cliffhanger attached. The 10 episode format leaves quite a few ideas on the table, alas. Thanks again for the great content, keep it up!
@NickCombs
@NickCombs 11 ай бұрын
I agree about cliffhangers. It feels overly manipulative towards the audience. Essentially, "We don't trust you to come back for another season based on enjoyment alone. Instead, we're going to tap into the psychology of addiction and leave you unfulfilled." Great show, and great season despite that of course.
@jinoshiosote4049
@jinoshiosote4049 Жыл бұрын
I liked the Broken Circle. It showed Spock struggling with his emotions, and accepting that, perhaps, he is not a 'Vulcan Vulcan'. I liked the whole season. Each episode gets 45+ minutes to finish an episode and still flesh out each character, which is incredible considering that we actually care about them. The only characters we really knew anything about in TOS was Kirk, Spock and McCoy - and even then, the stuff we get now is far more filling than the sprinkles we received back in the 60's. I'm hoping the studios get the heads out of their greedy a**es and pay these writers what they are due. Star Trek has always been more about the writing than the 'effects'. I hope the studio execs don't ruin this...we've got an excellent Star Trek in SNW that could easily be on the air for five years or more. Fingers crossed.
@ZJBorg
@ZJBorg Жыл бұрын
I think Season 2 and 1 were about even par. I really liked the risks season 2 took (crossover, musical). I would’ve liked to seen more Pike centered stuff but I realize the early part of the season Anson Mount was given time off to be with a newborn and what we got by the end was good. He was at his best in the Charades and the crossover. I also like La’an a lot more this season. They showed different sides of her and let her grow beyond the tough exterior. Pelia…kind of annoyed me. Carol Kane was fine. We just didn’t get much of her especially compared to Hemmer the year before. There are setups of her having an interesting backstory yet beyond the third episode I don’t think there’s much payoff yet. Brings me to an unexpected, pleasant and underrated MVP this season-Paul Wesley’s Kirk. I didn’t mind his first performance at the end of Year 1 but you certainly had to wonder where he was gonna go with it. By the end of the year, in just three episodes, he feels like Kirk without being a Shatner impersonation (or as you said Pine too). He’s also not playing Kirk as the Captain…he’s still the ambitious young lieutenant whose only getting his first chance as a first officer. I love the dynamic he has with the Sam Kirk actor and their chemistry. I really hope those two get an episode together and it actually is lending a real note of tragedy to the loss of Kirk’s brother in TOS that we never had simply because the character of Sam and their sibling relationship had never actually been realized. I was shocked at how well he and Chong and the Kirk-La’an thing worked. And there’s still a lot of potential to explore one of the most important characters in the history of the show right down to the fact we are set up with this being the period where he chooses between a family life and a Starfleet life with this being the period in his life where Carol Marcus is pregnant. Between what Wesley’s doing, the casting for Scotty, as well as what we are already getting from Peck and Gooding, I’m kind of onboard with the show at the end of Pike’s run (presumably after several more seasons) ending with a full on transition year into the TOS era with these actors and whoever they cast as Sulu or Bones (if not a reboot/remake). Yes I know that will be divisive and piss off a lot of people in the fan base but I’m secure enough in my love of TOS, coupled with the fact I like the chemistry I’m seeing amongst these actors, to see the story continue or be re-imagined. Really enjoy your Trek reviews. I will confess I did enjoy your more focused solo reviews from season one rather than the dual reviews from 2 with Jason. I get why you wanted that format and it’s obviously your show, I just found the more focused and prepared stuff more compelling and provoking. Frankly if you too posted highlights of yourselves watching portions of the episodes followed by reactions I think that would be a hoot (but likely more time consuming to put together I imagine)
@dm121984
@dm121984 Жыл бұрын
I love in 'Charades' the trope of the 'hen pecked husband' in T'Pring - he's so clearly quite a chill dude who likes Pike's cooking, and is fairly relaxed about stuff... right up until the point of his wife commenting on stuff. Old trope, but a fun execution of the concept.
@JamesAdams-nd1td
@JamesAdams-nd1td 3 ай бұрын
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait . . . Pike gets a LAWYER to represent his First Officer? He didn’t presume being a Captain meant he was perfectly qualified to represent her himself? What new spore of madness is this?
@NediSafa
@NediSafa Жыл бұрын
My favorite moment was when Spock said he was going to spend the rest of his life standing there eating bacon!
@stevengalloway8052
@stevengalloway8052 11 ай бұрын
Very good season. 👏 Those Old Scientists was my favorite episode. Frakes did a masterful job in directing it... 😏
@The2wanderers
@The2wanderers Жыл бұрын
Most of my problems with E1 were resolved in E8. Why M'Benga has super soldier serum. Why said serum wasn't pulled out of mothballs in future moments of existential desperation, like the Dominion war. Still could have done with only 3 or 4 Klingons to overpower, though. I really liked this season. I think it's actually better than S1, and amongst the best grouping of ST episodes ever. (90s Trek has more good episodes, but with 7 seasons x 26 episodes for TNG and DS9, how could they not. They had a much higher dud rate than SNW.)
@Alexander_Stern1
@Alexander_Stern1 Жыл бұрын
My wife has been continuously playing the “Subspace Rhapsody” soundtrack ever since that episode dropped. While I loved that episode, I’m not quite as enamoured of the soundtrack as she is. Nevertheless, when I was getting ready for work one morning a couple of weeks ago, the a cappella version of the opening theme started playing out of every Echo speaker in the house and I thought, “How did I get so lucky?” 😊
@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout Жыл бұрын
M'Benga committed premeditated murder, FIGHT ME. He pulled out the case with the dagger in it, and the side view of the scuffle with Dak'Rah showed that he never got past M'Benga to get the dagger.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it premeditated exactly, but it looks like murder to me. If M'Benga's fingerprints, and not Rah's, are on the handle of that knife it would be telling evidence against him.
@gregoryliedtka7510
@gregoryliedtka7510 Жыл бұрын
I like that they did the cliffhanger, it's a thing in old Trek. SNW definitely captures the 90s feel
@rmdodsonbills
@rmdodsonbills 11 ай бұрын
I admit, I was concerned about your reaction to Those Old Scientists. But I'm glad you liked it! I also liked this episode and that's coming from someone who very much enjoys Lower Decks as a whole. I'm happy we're able to find some common ground, any common ground, with respect to LD.
@blueroseknight
@blueroseknight Жыл бұрын
That Dusty Rhodes impression out of nowhere simultaneously took me off guard, and cracked me up.
@aaronsugar7228
@aaronsugar7228 Жыл бұрын
Some have said that they jumped the shark this season. If so they did it with a double inverted backflip over top of a "very special" serious episode, whilst whistling Faith of the Heart, and stuck the landing in a superhero pose on the transporter platform. If I have one problem with the show in general it's that 10 episodes per season isn't enough. I'll take the first 20 episodes of this show against the first 20 of any other Trek series, but we need more per season. I don't think we need 26 episodes, but 15 per season would be nice.
@podemosurss8316
@podemosurss8316 10 ай бұрын
I think that Paul Wesley does a nice job as Kirk.
@JimmyNotes
@JimmyNotes Жыл бұрын
Cliffhangers are ok when one season ends in June and the next season begins in September. When there is an entire year or more between seasons, then a cliffhanger is way to much.
@jesseandersen4055
@jesseandersen4055 10 ай бұрын
I generally don’t like cliff hangers either, and as someone who came to Star Trek late, and binged all of it, and having strange new worlds season two as my first week to week Star Trek, I really did love this cliff hanger. A great end to a great season.
@loopgru
@loopgru 11 ай бұрын
Did I imagine that Pike's dithering wasn't just the weight of the decision, but also a callback to his foreknowledge of the beepchair destiny?
@GallifreyXFalling
@GallifreyXFalling Жыл бұрын
part of me wants an appearance by Janice Lester because all these women in command positions makes her look even more thoroughly unhinged by comparison. Like it's clear she wasn't denied command because she's a woman, she probably just didn't pass the psych screening
@DannyCodePlays
@DannyCodePlays 11 ай бұрын
Omg, didn't notice while watching, but Uhura's earrings are lime green in SNWs similar to Uhura's in TOS!
@bennyfifeaudio
@bennyfifeaudio Жыл бұрын
"Are she and Pike gonna co-parent or what?" Superb. Always love your videos, Steve. 😆
@michelleholleywood
@michelleholleywood Жыл бұрын
The crossover and musical were both fun, but "Ad Astra Per Aspera" is one of my all-time favourite episodes of Star Trek.
@madbradfreeman
@madbradfreeman Жыл бұрын
I think the funniest line I've ever heard in any Trek is Captain Pike's plaintive "But flipping it open is the best part," when confronted with a TNG-style communicator. Oh, so good. I'm afraid Anson Mount's exceptional gift for understatement and subtle, silent reactions will result in him being underrated. I surely hope not. He's the main source of humor in this show. (And the fact that he plays all the other roles so very well might obscure that!) Also, I missed a call-out to the altered credits in the appropriate episodes!
@MarksShrimpTanks
@MarksShrimpTanks Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed season two apart from the musical episode.
@sportsmanz5948
@sportsmanz5948 Жыл бұрын
I LOVED both seasons. I certainly hope we don't have to wait TOO long for Season #3.
@liontone
@liontone Жыл бұрын
The “Gorn Attack Ship” label always cracks me up. Not “Gorn Heavy Cruiser” or “Gorn Dreadnaught” but “GORN ATTACK SHIP” so the 7 year olds knows they’re bad.
@mother_at_law
@mother_at_law 11 ай бұрын
"We were on a break!" (@18:25) My brain has already mashed this episode's obvious next step with an episode of Friends.
@paulonius42
@paulonius42 Жыл бұрын
The Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger worked because it was a decisive moment, Riker not just making the decision but actually giving the order. That created the tension that kept us all waiting eagerly. This cliffhanger ended with Captain Pike becoming an indecisive idiot and coward who should immediately be removed from command. He literally has multiple crew asking for his decisions and orders because he takes so long panicking. It is a horrible moment of character assassination that would never be written by somebody with an understanding of leadership or command.
@bobmathis-friedman6742
@bobmathis-friedman6742 Жыл бұрын
My problem with "Charades" is the idea that Spock's emotions are automatically tied to his biology when it's made abundantly clear that Vulcan logic is a cultural development (it's like a person of mixed Black/White lineage suddenly having a penchant for Hip Hop just because the White half is removed);still, it's funny.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a case of Don't overthink it.
@stephennootens916
@stephennootens916 Жыл бұрын
I didn't really think of that way. I have seen people who hate what they are doing.with Spock overall when it comes to exploring his human side. For me I kind of like it and I think with this episode he sort of gets to know how it feels to not only to be human but also how life for his mother who must lives among Vulcans is like. He gets a small hint of what she does for him.
@danieltilson4053
@danieltilson4053 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite things about the musical, is Pike's gradually increasing frustration in the opening number. Laan cutting the Transmission at the end of "private conversation" was great too... And of course, dragging the Klingons into the finale was perfect.
@ajayrious
@ajayrious Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed S2 of SNW but im definitely a little more down on it than you. The show's 10 episode season length really hurt the season I think. It really struggled to build up momentum through the season, actor availability played a part in that, sidelining two of the series leads in the opener wasnt great, and after that there were a lot of single character plus guest star episodes. There werent a lot of episodes that showed off the whole crew and when those episodes did happen they were gimmicky episodes like the musical and animation episode. I didnt mind those episodes in isolation but, one per 10 episode season would have been fine, 2 in 3 episodes was a bit much (especially when the one in the middle was so tonally different). Above all I just want to see more of this crew, working together to solve a problem and I feel like we got more of that in season 1. And much as I enjoy Kirk and Scotty's portrayal in this series, I want to see more of this Enterprise crew and not those references to another show (which the producers of nu trek cannot help themselves but shoehorn in).
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
Yep. I think these issues left me a bit underwhelmed with the season. It was competently written, and the cast were doing a great job, but I didn't much like what it decided to focus on.
@chuckp6667
@chuckp6667 Жыл бұрын
Great season review. I am really enjoying strange new worlds. I really liked the musical episode and the crossover episode but I'm not sure which of the 10 is my favorite. The crossover was just silly and fun and the musical did something that rarely happens anymore for me, it made me smile and hopeful. I also had no idea how they could do a musical episode and I don't like musicals but of all the goofy mcguffins used in the past this one seemed more believable than say for example Star Fleet discovering something on the edge of the Vulcan system that the way ahead of us alien science explorers never noticed or Chapel being the magical sole survivor. I was one of the turds that dragged your friend a little about the musical but I don't think I was too harsh, I hope. Also since everything has to be political these days apparently, I think your political stuff is exceptional and insightful, I mean it's not really hard to be on the side of not hating everyone and everything but you do it well. Thanks.
@chuckp6667
@chuckp6667 Жыл бұрын
This is probably beyond unnecessary, but my political comment was because the first comment on this video mentioned politics for some reason and I was the next commenter, which no longer makes sense.
@CharlieHickmott
@CharlieHickmott 5 ай бұрын
Like it or not, Lower Decks shows such a deep love and appreciation for the Star Trek fandom and lore that I personally think its fantastic. It's animated, so it can do things that before now were impossible in a Trek show, due to technological or budgetary constraints. It shows us a contemporary Trek; not one set before events we've already seen, one instead where all that lore and fanservice serves as a backdrop for new characters. The Lower Decks crew loves Star Trek as much as we do, and we can relate with the love of Starfleet and the desire to join as much as they can.
@georgesheridan8185
@georgesheridan8185 Жыл бұрын
IMHO, Number One's trial should not have been resolved so quickly. It could have been a season-long arc, resolved in time for her to participate in the action of the last few eps of the season.
@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout
@OpinionsNoOneCaresAbout Жыл бұрын
The songs of "Subspace Rhapsody" weren't bad, except for Una's song to La'An, which I didn't care about. And the finale...It's a good song, and who doesn't want to see Klingons doing K-Pop...oh, everybody? Ok. But anyway, the finale felt like it should have been on Lower Decks. I watched it and thought "I could really see the Cerritos crew singing this."
@walternelson8991
@walternelson8991 Жыл бұрын
One question about the season finale, the random border that the Magog oops I’m sorry the Gorn put through that system. Why didn’t the enterprise just wait for the planet to orbit around the sun till it was on the right side of the line planets still orbit in that system, right?
@Flatline1914
@Flatline1914 Жыл бұрын
That Dusty Rhodes bit popped me good lol. Love the review, as usual, your writing and presentation are top tier. Keep up the great work!
@puffapuffarice
@puffapuffarice Жыл бұрын
IDK if most viewers of "Tomorrow & Tomorrow & Tomorrow" noted, but it was cute how Kirk asks "so this is New York?" and the billboard in the background clearly reads "Toronto Eaton Centre". The joke?Zillions of TV & movies shot in Toronto, Toronto stands in for NYC. FOR ONCE, a show, filmed in Toronto, turns that on its head & Toronto is mistaken for NYC. Well played!
@halbeliebe
@halbeliebe 9 ай бұрын
I would really like an in depth review of every episode like you did for the first season. I really don't care for looking at two guys talking about what they just saw... Nothing personal or anything but I like people having a script that they learned or read from. It makes everything so much more organized.
@Cybonator
@Cybonator Жыл бұрын
The 2nd episode was kinda weak as a legal themed episode by Trek standards. The refugee argument was sort of Jus ex Machina that just so happens to neatly resolve an otherwise impossible legal argument
@AndrewD8Red
@AndrewD8Red Жыл бұрын
Yeah, every season of Trek has done the courtroom drama episode better than this one. Still a solid outing though, and I like what it had to say.
@danilejai7801
@danilejai7801 Жыл бұрын
It’s gimmicky, it’s dumbed down to appeal to a mass audience, it needlessly screws with cannon, but if it keeps the franchise going, then I approve.
@brianbaker2455
@brianbaker2455 Жыл бұрын
Steve: SNW season 2 was a good year for ST. I agree that it was not as good as season 1, but it was better than the first 2 seasons of TNG or most of the season 3 of TOS or a majority of Voyager or Enterprise. The writers of this show are obviously fans of ST, and they seem to have learned from mistakes from past series. I agree with you that fan service is not always good, but SNW seems to be able to walk a line between blatant fan service and pushing the boundaries of episodic television. I like this version of Spock, and Uhura is better used as a character than Nichelle Nicols was able to do in the TOS version, but my willingness to suspend disbelief and get into the story and characters are why I watch ST. Kirk and Picard are representations of people in the time that their adventures were made, idealistic people who were reacting to real world situations with the best response that they could based on what was accepted behavior in the real world. Fictionalized people are always representing some aspect of modern reality, a society where, in my lifetime, we have seen advancements in the way that we respond and respect differences between cultures and people. Not everyone in the world is a straight cisgender white man, and I am, but I get a taste of what it is like to be an outsider through the characters I admire, not only in ST but in all of fiction. The characters and stories of SNW represent the best of what we, as a modern society, have to offer. So was TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and all the rest. Comparing TOS to SNW is kind of silly, because though TOS represented the best of what we were as a society in the 1960s, it's 60 years later and now SNW is doing the same thing with modern sensibilities. Is ST woke? Only in the way that ST is trying to say can't we all just get along, and getting along today means acceptance and understanding of views outside our own existence and experiences. Woke means being awake and aware, not politically correct.
@HorrorMetalDnD
@HorrorMetalDnD 11 ай бұрын
I love how Sam Kirk was totally grooving to the Klingons’ musical number.
@davidsandy5917
@davidsandy5917 Жыл бұрын
Crew That's Expendable (to the tune of Age of Aquarius) When you're travelling through the galaxy To distant worlds war past Mars Make sure that your adventures Do not kill off your main stars. You can do this with a Crew that's expendable. Crew that's expendable...
@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS
@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS Жыл бұрын
As a heavily biased ship nerd, that first episode, even with it giving us the duel with a Klingon D7, a Constitution class, and a kitbashed Starfleet ship (Which could've been enough to entertain me at least - "Peak Performance" is elevated for me by the wargame sequence with that wonderful Constellation class model, for instance) the jankiness of the whole plot was just... That second episode, though, was one of my favorite SNW episodes, a quality "courtroom" episode to be sure because it reflects contemporary issues of human rights vs. archaic institutions. Just find it interesting how the one with the most "ship stuff" going on didn't do it for me even on a surface level, but the courtroom one got me this time round. "Lost in Translation" was another that I particularly enjoyed - A creative use of TOS characters that fit with the way they're written originally, while doing new things with them.
@vijay-c
@vijay-c Жыл бұрын
Loved this review, Steve. Only place I disagree is episode 2, "Ad Astera per Aspera". It's the best Trek court room episode, full stop. Yes, better than "Measure of a Man" IMO and for me is the season's best episode, as good as anything in season 1. It has an unmistakable message & very clearly hammers it home, whilst still working excellently on a narrative level, and even goes on to the pay off in the cross over episode. It goes out to bat for every marginalized and minority out there and hits a 6 (or I guess a home run, if you're the type savage who prefers baseball to cricket).
@Diego-zz1df
@Diego-zz1df Жыл бұрын
12:45 One thing I realized from the episode: The romulan temporal agent tells La'an they've been messing with human history to slow our development. This isn't just about adjusting the timeline of the Eugenics Wars, it's also about adjusting the timeline for all the technological developments that didn't happen as the original series predicted and trying to justify why we aren't as advanced as we thought we would be in the 1960s, why we're still dealing with problems our ancestors thought would be solved by now and probably why the space race shifted into a comercial enterprise, with scientific exploration placed lower in the priority scale.
@cloudwatcher608
@cloudwatcher608 11 ай бұрын
I didn’t think about it during the episode, but why did the Federation just accept the Gorns demarcation line without demanding the evacuation of their colony? That just demonstrates weakness and condemns hundreds or possibly thousands to a terrible death
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR Жыл бұрын
The review simply confirms that the season was meh for me. I don't regret watching all episodes but I will not rush out and rewatch any anytime soon.
@donpascua923
@donpascua923 3 ай бұрын
The "Those Old Scientist" episode is my favorite because they made reference about NX class Enterprise. Just got Finished Star Trek Enterprise and it made me happy.
@rvdsmith
@rvdsmith Жыл бұрын
As a Canadian who lives near Toronto. I am happy they did not waste time pretending they were in the USA when the show is filmed in Toronto and it was just easy to acknowledge that they were in Toronto. Easily my favourite episode of season 2 was Those Old Scientists. I enjoy Lower Decks so it was so great seeing the crossover. I was lucky because i was at home watching TV when CTV Sci Fi in Canada randonly aired the episode on a saturday without any notice. The program guide just said special presentation. And yes it was. I never watch TV live and watched this episode twice sitting through commercials. Strange New Worlds airs on traditional TV in Canada. I have watched the episode 3 times cause i enjoyed it so much.
@baanibarnes9711
@baanibarnes9711 7 ай бұрын
Overall I agreed with your break-down. I am also not a musical genre lover but enjoyed the show with the singing, weird as it was (Singing in the Rain is about the only musical I can consistently sit through and enjoy). I thought Captain Pike was a standout character in the Discovery series and hoped they would give him and his crew their own series and I have not been disappointed, I have consistently enjoyed both seasons, you should have seen my frustration when the last episode of season 2 ended on a knife edge - Nooooooo! I have to wait around a year (if we are blessed!) for the continuation of this gripping story. I really hope they continue in the same vein with great character development and engrossing stories, I'll forgive them the left-turn with the weird episodes, you never know what you might get. I will be rooting around for more of your content, very enjoyable review, happy new year!
@skidawg22
@skidawg22 Жыл бұрын
Key takeaways: Spock is a Klingon Bloodwine Samurai. This Kansan approves of the court martial episode title. Love what they've done with La'an in Season 2 (coupled with Christina putting out some really good music). Human Spock is funny. Spock to T'Pring about Chapel: "We were on a break!" They're all Orion Hurricane Samurai (and, apparently, so is Mariner). Once they get those Gorn eggs out of Captain Batel, she'll probably want a c@#$sucking gin and tonic. Cliffhanger Indiegogo: "Help the Enterprise crew not die on a Gorn ship."
@DawnDavidson
@DawnDavidson Жыл бұрын
“We were on a break!” LOL
@MaraudingManiac
@MaraudingManiac Жыл бұрын
In general I agree, this season is good but not quite as good as Season 1. Here are my critiques: First episode is pretty solid, but they really do the whole "I'm going to steal the enterprise and violate the treaty (with no consequences)" too often in Star Trek, it's kind of a cliche. Also, as a long term issue, Pelia was an interesting proposition, but they didn't justify her enough to fill Hemmer's absence, as he was my favorite part of season 1 that they just killed off too eagerly. Second episode is fine, if a liiiittle too melodramatic for my taste. They could have played it a bit more subdued and it probably would have come out better. But I love a good courtroom episode. Third episode is great, no notes. Cements Wesley as my favorite rendition of Kirk. True to the character, his own take on the character and not at all a cliche. Episode 4 is also good and as you said, reminiscent of old episodes in a way that felt very deliberate. I remember feeling that there were some awkward cuts in that episode, made me feel like they shortened it or something. Fifth episode was quite good, but I did end up feeling it was Spock Amok again, but weaker. Episode 6 I had one thing that annoyed me probably more than it should have - blowing up the refinery as a resolution. To me it seems strange that detonating a refinery is less harmful than refining deuterium. I know we you can find little justifications for it, but I just think it was a shallow approach to solving that problem. Being unable to stop a refinery from refining also makes no sense, can't they just deactivate the reactor or something? Just have the resolution be that they shut it down and decommission it - the climax is Uhura figuring it out and convincing the crew that there is a species communicating with them. Blowing it up is so wasteful. But I will say I did love the episode aside from the careless resolution. I'm a big fan of LD so I enjoyed Episode 7. In Episode 8, I really did lose some respect for some of the crew. Pike told them to recuse themselves if they needed to, and everybody just made asses of themselves instead. However, I do think that this might be intentional - perhaps Pike losing his confidence in M'Benga will result in him looking for a new CMO Episode 9... As you said, they could have added more variance. Great concept and I will always applaud Star Trek episodes doing a concept that Star Trek has never done before. I would take that over an unambitious episode any day. My favorite parts were definitely La'An's parts. Episode 10, I think it was solid but I was a little distracted when I watched it so I don't remember it that well. Maybe I need to rewatch it.
@JsoN-_-
@JsoN-_- Жыл бұрын
With the exception of the first episode, this season was an absolute banger!
@garretthoie6542
@garretthoie6542 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on the portrayal of the Klingon War in Disco vs on SNW. I just watched through Discovery and it felt like most of what we got as updates were just “The Federation is winning the war :-)” or “The Federation is losing the war. :-(“ The impact on the characters isn’t really felt. Hell, the finale shows Klingon ships within sight of Earth and that is just kinda never mentioned again, despite it being absolutely catastrophic. We also only ever heard casualty counts in the 11,000 range several months into the war in Disco, which always felt low to me for how big the war was supposed to be. SNW mentioning 100 million dead feels much more impactful on the Federation and people who fought.
@TheDbduece
@TheDbduece Жыл бұрын
Too many "change of pace" episodes (which were great in themselves) crammed together making for a "change of pace" season....which you wouldn't think they would resort to it's sophomore effort. But everyone is too informal and....oh, Emo Spock and Chapel suck. Considering the circumstances, the season did well to not stink up the place but much more was expected...
@Maxxisblitz
@Maxxisblitz Жыл бұрын
I just couldn't believe La'an left her gun in Khan's room. Maybe his psychotic nature is her fault lol.
@georgelionon9050
@georgelionon9050 Жыл бұрын
Well people said this gonna be a big thing later in the season.. nope
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
She showed a striking disregard for gun safety in season 1 too, so this seems to be a thing with her, though it's not a thing you'd expect from a security chief.
@celestinenox
@celestinenox 11 ай бұрын
As far as I'm concerned, SNW might as well be Star Trek: Shenanigans and I AM HERE FOR IT.
@UndeadVikingVideos
@UndeadVikingVideos Жыл бұрын
ST:SNW is the best ST since the original series. Season 2 took a very slight step back for me - I felt the cohesion of the episodes wasn't there as well as the first go 'round - but it was still some of the best TV that was put out in 2023. I also didn't care much for the musical episode, but I am happy for those people who enjoyed it.
@goodlight4113
@goodlight4113 Жыл бұрын
My problem with ad astra is that it felt like the prosecution wasn't trying very hard. Never made any arguments. Just , this is the law, and it was broken, that part disappointed me. I was hoping for some snarky comment like, maybe every ship needs a genetically engineered number one, to give us all such great first officers. An attempt to make her excellent record as an officer work against her.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 Жыл бұрын
A possible handwave is that by the end of the case the prosecution were colluding with the defence since they judged that both Pike and Una were needed for the impending war with The Gorn.
@goodlight4113
@goodlight4113 Жыл бұрын
@@alanpennie8013 that's not bad. i like it. I was just hoping for a Riker turns off Data moment. lol
@jasonbrock2681
@jasonbrock2681 Жыл бұрын
I love these full season reviews!
@DrLilo
@DrLilo Жыл бұрын
I know the time travel "continuity housekeeping" isn't important to Steve, but as a defender of Nu Trek to grumpy fans, it's been a handy as fuck catch-all excuse whenever they complain about anything from Klingon foreheads to Gorn foreknowledge. I really appreciate that we have that "Romulans altered history a little bit" explanation, it just makes discourse much easier.
@dawoifee
@dawoifee Жыл бұрын
That the time travel episode did not put them in a major US City was a nice touch.
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