Tenebrous's coffee cup: "I heart Math." lol

The Council Forcecast: - Top 10 Star Wars EU Characters of all Time. - Top 10 Stories in the EU - Top 10 Characters that can defeat or go up against (EU) Luke Skywalker

You know for number 2, I would have just put all four of the players characters (The Hero of Tython, the Barsen'thor, Darth Nox, and the Emperor's Wrath) together in that slot.

Nothing insanely special. Hope you guys enjoy none the less.

Darth Binks should be on this list.

Who else said " Don't know?" with Evan?

Nihilus only lost simply due to the Exile having the same affliction. Being on Malachor, and feeling the death, and surviving. They were black holes, absorbing the force. Otherwise, Nihilus will consume and annihilate everything that fights him. It wasn't draining life that kept him strong, it was literally eating the force. It was stated that feeding on Telos would weaken him, because there are no Jedi there. When the Jedi were gone, he would feed upon the Sith. Kreia herself mentioned that Nihilus possessed techniques that could not be defended against.

anakin is probably the only force user who could humble the ones if his potential was fully realized.

23:57: "Yes, of pain he has learned much... of knowledge, of teaching, he knows nothing." -Kreia.

Nihilus' force drain has never been shown to be resisted. Meetra never resisted his Force drain, she just didn't have her own Force energy for him to feed off of. Meetra's Force connection was dependent on those around her. So for Nihilus to try to feed off of her, he essentially would be just recycling his own Force energy, which is already not enough to sustain his power and body. Scion couldn't resist him. Kreia couldn't resist him. All of the Jedi Masters of that era had no choice but to hide from him and his hunger. Literally the only way to withstand his drain is to essentially not have a natural connection to the Force at all.

Please do Freedom Nadds ghost VS Casper the friendly ghost.

The Ones vs All of these Sith Darth Sidious Darth Krayt Dark Emperor Vitiate Darth Bane Obelisk Armor Darth Revan Darth Plagueis Darth Nihilus Darth Caedus Darth Sion Darth Malgus Darth Malak Tulak Hord Naga Sadow Marka Ragnos Freedon Nadd Count Dooku Darth Maul Darth Wyyrlok III Darth Nihl Darth Tenebrous Lumiya Darth Vader The Dark Apprentice Galen Marek "StarKiller" Darth Traya

Couldn't #2 be extended to all SWTOR playable characters?

Have you ever even played KOTOR 2? Your assessment of Darth Nihilus is completely wrong. Yes he must feed to survive but it isn't something that kills him instantly during a fight if he can't feed. Darth Nihilus is also NOT ALIVE. He is considered some kind of undead sith. The way the Exile defeated him was the fact he/she was a wound in the force, a dark hole. Basically the Exile reversed Nihilus' draining presence and was feeding off of him instead. Nihilus' drain power wasn't your average drain either. He could drain the life from A PLANET by just being nearby. You are right in the assessment he's unbalanced (or op whatever you want to say). He was a very interesting character in KOTOR 2 but not a very good one when using him to vs another force user. The other user would have to be a wound in the force like the Exile in order to beat him. Otherwise they don't stand a chance.

I half expected Nihlus to be number one, excellent points all around Evan!

For marka ragnos; he lived in an era where the sith were more focused on their force powers rather than their sword skills and I believe it was already stated that he wasn’t a very skilled swordsman and there were only 2 confirmed forms; shii cho and makeshi. Let’s not forget that marka ragnos wasn’t well known for his skills as a swordsman rather he was well known for his strength in the force.

The only character I think could even hold a candle to any of the Ones (Certainly not Abeloth though) would be Vitiate in his prime, but even then, I don't think there's enough material on Vitiate to justify that. Most of what we know about the Sith Emperor is told through everyone fearing him. Yes, he drained Ziost, but that required setup. Outside of that, there really isn't much to demonstrate Vitiate's actual upper limits of power.

Sion IS NOT unkillable. The dialogue in the game heavily implies he is only immortal on dark side nexuses.

I just realized something: Abeloth is an SCP that somehow ended up in the Star Wars Universe xD

tulak hord was actually known for being a strong duelist for having defeated and chained to his will the dashadd khem val, they also battled together at Yn and Chabosh, where it is said that Khem Val ( a force user eater ) has eaten over a thousand jedi, seeying as how the dashadd was the servant of tulak hord we could easily imagine that they fought side by side as they killed all those jedi's... there are also story's about a sith conflict between tulak hord and the lord kallig (one of the most powerful sith lords of his time)

Great video friend, particularly the breakdown of "The Ones". 'Nice humour in this one again too.

watch at 1.25x speed . he talks so damn slow...

I'm appreciating the use of the Sherlock Holmes OST when you were talking about Tenebrous nice reference to Jensaari's video.

I thought only people who were naturally resistant to force drain (like other wounds in the force) could counter Nihilus?

Wait a min, I just realized you can use Odan Urr in a versus match. Obviously you cant use him in a full versus match, you can use him in a versus short with the main decision being physical, unarmed combat, tactics and force abilities. Odan Urr vs Volfe but Volfe cant use his lightsaber (not that it matters that much), Jorrus C'Baoth, Vititate, Sidious (don't think that Odan Urr could win but definitely contend), etc.

After you put it into perspective, I'd love to see you or one of the other Council members do a Darth Nihilus vs. Darth Sion. Actually, you know what, scratch that. I can kind of already see the outcome of that battle. The biggest question is could Darth Sion's attachment to his pain and hatred be enough to survive and outlast Nihilus' hunger?

If I remember correctly, the Son's power was linked to the Father's and when he stabbed himself with the dagger, it had an effect on the Son, that's why Anakin's lightsaber was able to kill him, I don't think it'd have done anything otherwise.

I would like to request a versus series video with Darth Revan against Darth sidious that I think would be a good match up

Can't wait to see the next additions to your star wars versus series. Enjoyed the video. Suggestion: Tott Doneeta vs. K'kruhk

Couldent Vitiate and Nihilus also maybe damage the ones? Also the Bedlam Spirits?

Don't get why people assume Nihilus should be on here. It was never explicitly stated he was invincible or anything. Those with a higher affinity and mastery of the force(Luke, Yoda, Sidious, just about any PT council member) could pretty much handle him no issue. I'm also of the belief that the PT era Jedi and Sith would essentially wipe the floor with any Old Republic era Jedi/Sith, due to advancements of teachings and generations of Jedi and Sith becoming more and more advanced. It would only make sense. But of course there would still be the people that think Revan would beat everyone with his eyes closed and hands tied behind his back. If anything, GM Luke(Legends, obviously) should be top spot. Talk about OP. At that point, there's like MAYBE two people that could contend with him. Sidious and Abeloth. And even then, Sidious would still be beaten. Abeloth would be the better match up.

Gives me hope that you can use Jace Malcom Founder of Havoc Squad in a versus

there *was* consistency when it came to defeating The Son if you look at the situation closely.. he *could* only be killed by the dagger up until the point he was weakened *and* caught by surprise through his own distracting emotions, which gave Anakin the opening he needed for the killing thrust

Those are very good reasons. And speaking of Meetra Surik, how about paring her against Asajj Ventress?

On the point of the Hero of Tython later in the storyline after the defeat of Darth Revan he becomes the Jedi Battlemaster so we at least know that he at least is one of the greatest duelists of the era. Just figured I would add that point since it was at the end of the storyline in the SWTOR expansion Shadow of Revan

I want halagad and galen marek(starkiller) on rebels

Marisa brood and Shaak vs Anakin Skywalker and Ashoka tano

Out of curiosity, what's preventing someone from decapitating Sion? I mean he can will himself back to life with pain, but if he loses his brain, and sequentially the ability to feel pain in the first place, that would kind of ruin his whole schtick...

Darth Bane is susceptible to lightsaber strikes on places like his wrist while wearing the Orbalisk armor BUT the damaged area regenerates within seconds. Also when Darth Bane was fighting against Raskta Lsu (who is a battle master), Valenthyne Farfalla and Johun Othone he was able to dodge Raskta's attempt at stabbing his face and was able to fend them all off at the same time.

Nu might have PTSD with lightsaber combat that she eventually became a librarian once her council duties ended.

Anyone notice the Halo 3 ODST soundtrack playing in the background of the video?

I love Tulak Hord and i am so sad that they didnt show any info about him there are rumors that he killed over 100 jedies in a siege and that was one of the most shameful defeats of the jedi order

I'd just like to bring up that the Son of Mortis did in fact engage in a Lightsaber Duel before. I own a Comic where he attacks Anakin somewhere between the events of TPM and AOTC.

You got a point there with Sion. But i gotta admit, i like him as a character

Too bad about Odan-Urr, I imagine lots of people would like to see him take on Yoda or other powerful Sith Lords. According to the Jedi Academy Handbook from the SWRPG, we are indeed aware of his powers and abilities. To address combat, it indicates he has no form learned however, I would surmise that he at least has Form I learned (but maybe not mastered). Form II could be possible as well but considering his background, I would imagine he only bothered learning the basics. As for the other forms, most aren't likely developed yet (I'm not sure about Form III's time of development). Odan-Urr could be possible in a vs. series, but only if the imagination was stretched a bit, but it would also become a controversial debate.

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Hmm... You made fair points about Darth Sion. With that said, I'd like to suggest Darth Sion vs Darth Vader. I believe it would be a great match. Sion can't die and Vader has practically unending endurance because of all the drugs being pumped into him.

Not sure if you’ll ever read this, but I really really love the use of the Battestar Galactica soundtrack in this video, as well as your other Star Wars vids. It fits the Star Wars Legends (the pre-Disney EU) vibe so darn well.

if darth krayt is the 2nd most powerful sithlord, who's place 1? palpatine?

curious since you've evaluated how strong Darth Teneberous is, would there be a possibility of seeing him in a future versus video in a battle against someone like Qui lan Vos or Plo Koon?

Aboloth is that creepy ms.smiley

This video is extremely special in my book. Really shocked Nihilus wasn't number one on this list, would of bet money that he was. Really frustrates me how there isn't much info to draw on regarding Marka Ragnos and especially Darth Nihilus. Sign...maybe one day. Thank you for giving up some of your time to make this video evannova95 as it was enjoyable and even introduced me to a new charecter I never heard of, that being number 5. When it comes to KZfaq videos you never EVER disappoint. 😇😇😇

Except when doing a crossover with other franchises like _The Legend of Zelda_ with the characters from _Hyrule Warriors_, including Dark Beast Ganon.

To me, Anakin killing the Son with the lightsaber actually makes perfect sense! Let’s break it down: Under normal circumstances, the Ones are IMMUNE to most forms of physical injury, including wounds inflicted by lightsabers! As shown in the episode 'Overlords', the Son can simply turn off lightsabers with the Force by a simple flick of the wrist as he did in his first confrontation with Obi-Wan and Ahsoka. While in his first confrontation with Anakin, the Father GRABS THE BLADE OF HIS LIGHTSABER WITH HIS BARE HAND AND PUSHES IT BACK INTO ITS HILT. If the Ones could be harmed or killed in any fashion, it could only happen in TWO ways in the Star Wars universe: They would either have to get stabbed by the Dagger or bested by someone who possessed an equal, if not, superior strength in the Force than them. Equal or Superior Power in the Force: In 'Overlords', Anakin was able to force the Son AND the Daughter into submitting defeat through his powers as the 'Chosen One'. Even in the episode 'Altar of Mortis', the Ones can be harmed by the Son's Force Lightning, even if it doesn't kill them. Stabbed by the Dagger: In the span of most of its three episodes, the Mortis story arc does a good job of explaining how the Dagger works and how it can affect the Ones. In the climax of ‘Altar of Mortis’, the duel between the Son and the Daughter ends in a draw, emphasizing how they are both equals in the Force as respective embodiments of the Dark Side and the Light Side. By this logic: if the Daughter can be killed by the Dagger, so can the Son and the Father as shown in the story arc’s final episode ‘Ghosts of Mortis’! While the Daughter and the Son respectively personify the Light and the Dark, the Father embodies the necessary Balance between the two opposing sides. It's a perfect analogy that ties into the ancient concept of Yin and Yang, a state of equilibrium that must be maintained in order to prevent chaos from ensuing if one side overtakes the other or if their conflict becomes too destructive to the bystanders and environment around them! This could be a logical reason as to why they all live on Mortis, which is not only a physical manifestation of the Force itself, but it is also a metaphysical realm that exists outside the boundaries of space and time! Therefore, making it the perfect place for the Ones to call home and to ensure that no galaxy of any kind is subjected to the potential destruction of any of their conflicts. In ‘Overlords’, The Father CONFIRMS THIS to Anakin as the EXACT REASON WHY THEY LIVE THERE! "My children and I can manipulate the Force like no other, therefore it was necessary to withdraw from the temporal world and live here as anchorites." "As a sanctuary?" "And a prison. You cannot imagine what pain it is to have such love for your children and realize they could tear the very fabric of our universe." Once we’ve reached the climax of ‘Ghosts of Mortis’, the Son has become more powerful with the Daughter’s death and the Father’s frailty. The Father taking these truths into account, knows that the only way to stop his Son is to kill himself: “You and I are tied together, and your strength runs through me. This way, I TAKE YOUR POWER.” And with this final act, the Father sacrifices himself, not only rendering his Son powerless but making him just as frail as any mortal. It’s a very fitting end for the Son to be undermined by the very same Father he mocked for being “weak” and “frail”.

I wonder who would win if you put some of the more popular female characters from star wars in a vs battle Mara jade Vestara Khai Ashoka tano (rebels) Nomi sunrider Jaine skywalker (stomps)

Many sith are said powerful by name but we really can't compare them to other sith because we don't know exactly how they fight their battles Edit: and of course game characters who don't have other solid sources are impossible to determine (ex. Darth Nox)

jocasta nu's face looks like palpatine's face

What about Kreia/Darth Traya? will she appear in future series? :)

Scion would be a dope vs match. It's like Hidan in Naruto. Assuming he keeps in hating, you gotta be skilled or powerful enough to dismember/decapitate him or he'll just eventually outlast you until you lose. Scion vs Obi Wan (prime level) would be sick. The 2 ultimate trolls vs each other. Another video I'd pay cash money to see.

You forgot to add Jedi Master Fay to the list because she does not even have a lightsaber. An she is more known for her diplomatic skills and force abilities. I admit she does exhibit certain things that no other jedi master possesses, true immortality by being so close to the force. Obi-wan admitted she would've lived forever were it not for that particular mission. Definitely a great jedi of note.

watch it on 1.5 speed and it sounds normal.

Ok. So I have a theory on how to kill Nihilus or Sion. Which is using midi-chlorian manipulation or Sever Force. Nihilus is nothing more than mask for a body and he has an existence due to being a wound in the force. Darth Sion is being held together by nothing more than the force. So if the lose their connection to the Force, then both of them are gonna either be gone from existence or just fall apart. Its for these reasons I believe you can use Darth Nihilus or Darth Sion against Darth Plagueis, Nomi Sunrider, Odan-Urr, or Thon because they can use these abilities. A shame that there are a limited number of opponents who you can put them up against, but hey the idea of Darth Plagueis vs Darth Nihilus would seem like a fun idea. Another theory I have is using consume essence (so Emperor's Wrath Lord Scourge) could work. Sion and Nihilius are overflowing with dark force power (Sion is held together and Nihilus is a wound in the Force) and Scourge can continuously feed upon it. Making it a Mace Windu vs Palpatine kind of situation. As for Nihilus, I believe Scourge can consume him as fast as Nihilus drains. Final theory deals with only Darth Sion. Can a powerful enough telepath use telepathy and force him to die (so what the Jedi Exile did to him by force)? Idk which telepath is strong enough to pull it off and it probably wouldn't work but again, these are theories I have. Feel free to disagree with them.

there you go! Ragnos vs Nadd the Ghost war lol

20:14 I think you could have just covered it as "The SWTOR Character Classes" as they're all in the same boat (even if only the force users of Hero of Tython, Barthensar, Empire's Wrath and Darth Nox/Imperious/Oclous would have been considered anyway).

So, Skippy the droid is still able to be used in Versus videos?

#PutHalagadVentorInRebels

I'm not sure about Bane. The orbalisks made him stronger in some ways but more vulnerable in others (like if an orbalisk is seriously injured and starts poisoning the host), but overall i feel like it balances out. He would just require different techniques in order to be injured, I feel. i could be wrong.

Yeesh, I never considered Nihilus and Sion in that way, however I'm still hoping that you or any other of the Versus series guys feature Jerec, Kreia, Darth Marr, Arcann, Meetra Surik and Haazen on your videos.

dude why do u speak so slowly? Is it to stretch out the length of ur vids?

try as you might justify hoth vs bane verdict, you cannot

The narrator sounds like he is doing a Shatner impression.

13:02 we don't even know what era he lived in, even though everything sudgests he's a pre-great hyper-space war Sith Lord.

Your just going keep up this Bane/Zannah grinding aren't you?

Can u do Prince Arcaan vs Luke Skywalker?

You are wrong on Darth Nihlius. He didn't fail to drain The Exile and Visas because of a 'resistance to Force Drain'. He failed to drain them because the Exile was a wound in the Force (a literal absence where there was nothing for him to feed upon), and Visas was bonding to him (meaning that draining her life could kill him). There was an entire PLANET of Jedi on the level of Mace, Obi-Wan and Yoda, and ALL of them died to him despite seeing him coming. The only other people ever recorded to have 'survived' Nihlius would be Sion and Traya, both practitioners (or at least likely in Traya's case) of the 'Sith Pain Healing' ability, which enables them to will themselves back to life even if brought to the point of death by focusing on their pain. Without one of these three traits (having the Exile's Force Wound, being bonded to him, or having the Sith Healing technique to revive yourself), EVERYONE would fail against Nihlius.

About the mentioned inconsistency concerning the Son’s durability regarding the Daughter’s claims that only the Dagger of Mortis could kill him and then being killed by Anakin’s lightsaber later on, the Father stabbed himself with the dagger right before Anakin killed the Son, and these were his exact words when the Son questioned this: “You [the Son] and I are tied together, and your strength runs through me. This way…I take…your power.” Power which includes the Son’s immortality, which allowed him to harmlessly withstand Anakin’s lightsaber strikes mere seconds earlier. The Father took this away according to the aforementioned quote, then bam, cut to Anakin running his saber through the both of them.

I'd bet the Ones would be a good match for Goku from Dragon Ball. That would be a fun fight to watch.

Your #10 character looks like Darth Sidious

You know a thought just crossed my mind: if Darth Sion fought against an individual who was capable of forcibly stealing the souls of other individuals (e.g. Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat), does that mean that said individual could potentially kill Darth Sion by absorbing and devouring his very soul? What I'm particularly trying to find out is if Darth Sion would be capable of resisting such an ability through his use of the force.

:( i feel real sad that I only know 2 of those people. Jocasta (seen her in the movie), Tulak Hord played Knights of the old republic ( I think ragnos popped in there somewhere to). Yet I still don't even know much about them, of course that's the point of the video. But every one of the videos released by you, you mention all these heroes and villains that I've never heard of. I just wish I could know all this knowledge of these tales as you do it is truly amazing, and I learn more and more in each video you release. Keep up the good work and honestly just thank you. :)

It always baffled me thinking how strong Anakin would have been if he had not suffered his injuries. Evan, do you think there would be someone who could've matched anakin in a 1v1 should he had blossomed in his powers without injury?

well you could use the ones; just not against SW characters other than Waru. The son Vs Sauron, Aboleth Vs Cthulhu.

For Darth Sion, you would also need a foe capable of keeping him down after he's knocked down, like Darth Nihilus did in that cutscene where they fight. To make his innate ability to keep getting up at least APPLICABLE if you know what i mean

Dude! Helgad Ventor looks like 90s-2000s Adam Sandler lol. He probably "Happy Gilmored" opponents with the force lol.

I think Obalisk Brmor Bane vs Plo Koon would be good

Darth nihilus would crush obi-wan easily and he would also be able to take windu and probably defeat yoda

I swear to god I was just about to look up "Star Wars librarian lady" and she shows up number 10. Goddamit

Really enjoyed this video. I've been waiting a long time for another top 10 video off you and you didn't disappoint. I especially liked your description of 'the ones' it was really good!

The Ones are the One Punch Men of the Star Wars universe.

this makes me think about if there could be versus channels about Mass Effect.

Absolutely loved the mini Darth Sion Scene, made me laugh quite a bit. A video like this I found made quite a lot of sense for a lot of them. Shame we don’t have more on Freedon Nadd...would have loved to see a match with him.

I think it's pretty neat that this guy is using Halo 3 ODST soundtracks in this video.

All right here are a "few" ideas: Darth Bane Vs. Darth Krayt. Jerec Vs. The Inquisitor (Rebels season 1). Kyle Katarn Vs. Meetra Surik. Luke Skywalker(Post ROTJ) Vs Darth Sideous (Pre ROTJ). Obi Wan Kenobi(Clone Wars) Vs. Darth Krayt (Post Tatooine duel). Darth Sideous Vs. Darth Traya. Darth Maul Vs. Asaaj Ventress. Darth Revan Vs. Darth Vader. Finally in a few years once EP. IX comes out, Darth Caedus Vs. Kylo Ren.

Love your videos man, but do you think you could speak a little bit faster?

You said that Darth Nihilus would "crush" most opponents. You used the wrong word. "Annihilate" would be a better term. That's where his name comes from, too.

Tyovokka, the Wookiee Master of Plo Koon and the Jedi with such advanced foresight that he could see not just far I to the future, but also see a few seconds in the future at will.

Ever since Kreia said what she said in KOTOR 2 I’ve always wanted more lore on Tulak Hord.

Hey Evan. Quick question: Do you think Tera Sinube could be used in the versus series, or is he too obscure of a character?

Cade Skywalker vs Darth Caedus

If there were more EU books that had any of these characters in combat situations..would you reexamine? or is the EU time had past?