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The whole war would have ended

The Wraith fought the Ancients. They’ve probably encountered beaming tech before.

@@WUZLE The Ancients were able to beam people around Atlantis, but I'm not sure they could beam over a nuke. Being able to stop a beaming tech they'd never seen before is impressive.

The Wraith encountered a faction of Asgard known as the Vanir during their war with the Ancients. So, they would've had some experience with Asgard tech.

More direct than "Airperson don't be there."

Nice catch!

I think they are FTL engines.

@@theonlyjacknicole FTL engines are an umbrella category, and hyperdrive engines would be a type of FTL engines.

They call it FTL in SG Universe cause destiny does not use hyperspace. Other than that they have always been called hyperspace engines or hyperdrive.

Can't beam warhead when shield are up or when the beam is gammed.

@@Chief-Remeldian-Olympus They can beam when the shields are up as they did during the battle of Atlantis. There is an episode later where they forget they can do that. Shitty writers ;)

Or beam nukes as mines when wraith hives are coming at them.

Someone _finally_ gave them a good wallop on the face.

@@Ragitsu But the wraith are resourceful like 1:41

@@Ragitsu that and the other advanced technology civilizations in galaxy did a incredible job of hiding.based off in show dialogue was insinuated was at least 3 other advanced technology civilizations in pegasus aside from the replicators

@@thomas.parnell7365 In Pegasus, there's the Vanir (immoral Asgards); what other two advanced civilizations went into hiding?

@@Ragitsu episode with replicator doctor weir said you be surprised how many civilizations use their technology to hide in this galaxy.to me indicates at least 3 with advanced computers.which to me says a societys at least advanced as 22nd century technology.

Check old classic Babylon 5. It’s still the best

It was actually really important that they did this, too, because of the situation when the hives start bombarding Atlantis. Given how shield resilience works in SG, and how the remaining 10 hives would have taken down the shield in 24 hours, those extra 2 hives would have reduced the shield's longevity by a *lot* of that time. Possibly even shortening it by half. Not to mention, they weren't expecting resistance here; by the time they were to arrive at Atlantis, they might have had their anti-beaming tech in full effect, meaning *no* nukes get through at all.

Given how SGC started with tiny SG teams without any hope of orbital backup on offworld missions, this event was a landmark achievement for the entire program and the culmination of the intelligent and hard work on all involved. Extremely impressive.

another minor atention to detail when calldwell says shields to max marks replies with shields up instead of saying shields at maximum because they were just in battle recently and shields wouldn't have had time to be restored to full strenght it's something that is only noticable once you think about it

as we learn throughout the series, ships are vulnerable out of hyperspace. In several instances, Daedalus is ambushed as they exit hyperspace. Also, hive ships later on seem to be stronger, with more powerful main weapons that we don't see in this scene, which does feel like a storyline switch so that the daedalus isn't too tanky (although daedalus' weapons are pretty ineffective)

In many cases though Daedalus fought fewer hive ships for longer periods of time, accumulating the same amount of damage over time.

shields...SHIELDS

@@xolotlnephthys also have to remember that the hive ships were designed to battle ancient battle ships so the weapons were probably designed in a way that was more effective against ancient designed shields and hulls, once they had time to analyze the daedalus' weapons and shields they probably adjusted their weapons, ship hulls, tactics and systems to better battle with the deadalus as we do see a sudden surge in the scientist and engineer minded wraith getting more active and beginging to improve wraith tech once again.

It's worth noting that in this scene they're being attacked by an enemy that wants them intact (for boarding), with shots clearly skimming past the ship and thus hitting the shields edge-on at times. So it's possible that later strategy is more kill-oriented and thus the firepower is used more effectively.

Definitely.

agreed though I never understood why they didn't just yeet the nukes on top of the weak points of the hive ships instead of only yeeting them inside of the hive ships ( is possible that the counter measures only worked for the inside of the ship meaning that anywhere else is fine )

There is a fan theory about having a conflict with the Vanir who also used beaming tech.

@@Stinger522 Long disused information that was retrieved?

The Warith "ship" is a living organism. It is a "thinking hive". Think about it like you have 500 different buttons that do different things. If you got in this kind of trouble, you wouldn't think you would just start slamming all the buttons to see if anything works. I think it is understandable that it worked. Many of the Wraith's technical advantages came from the fact that their ships were actually alive. One of the reasons why they could make a lot of them quickly without the need of lots of resources. They just grew them.

@@Ragitsu I saw it the comment section of other videos and a writer on fanfiction incorporated it into one of his stories a few years ago. It's currently being rewritten.

@@Stinger522 IIRC, the Asgard/Vanir told Jackson they were attacked by the Wraith and lost their intergalactic ships in one of the first attacks. While we don't know if the Asgard had that tech ten thousand years ago, it wouldn't be a stretch to think this group would try to use it offensively. And having the Wraith deploy an existing countermeasure against something they fought before sounds much better then having them develop it within seconds from scratch.

Real question you need to ask is, why didn't they just beam the ZPM's up when the cities sheild was down. Or more importantly why they don't just use the ancient lab in Atlantis to make more, there would definatly be a lab in the city for manufacturing more of them, or you know more likely a storage cupboard somewere in the city with a few hundred of them. Just like there would be an automated factory for manufacturing drones to refill the chair platform. If you've been under siege for over 100 years, you would have militarized your city quite heavily and made it basically fully self sufficient. Or alternatively you would have built those facilities somewere in the milky way, which was at that point, fairly safe (10000 years is before the rise of the system lords, humans would have basically been limited to earth, the galaxy would have been free and clear). Also consider that after the end of the war/evacuation the surviving ancients still had to go around and update all their headgrabby data devices with their most recent knowledge base.

@@cgi2002 sorry for bumping in half a year later, but yeah the question of why they never started manufacturing ZPMs is one big question in regard to atlantis show - and we do know for sure, that atlantis database contained that information, because at the end of the first season, when the plan was to selfdestruct the city and take as much knowledge as they could with them, weird specifically lists ZPM manufactoring when she monologues on how it is difficult to choose which data should they grab and which leave for destruction. But after that the possibility of manufacturing the things was never again mentioned.

​@@MehrumesDagonsorry for bumping in a year later, but I always assumed that they had the information they needed, but not the understanding of it, and there was always a more urgent fire that needed to be put out.

In fairness, the Wraith adapt VERY quickly. Realistically, the amount of data they would have had to process to understand matter-energy transportation would have taken days to go through before they could even start to come up with a countermeasure.

Viewer benefit.

@@Ragitsu fair point

If you mean the flash, I guess it could also be a radiation indicator. Think of the diversity of threats they encounter, it would make sense that you'd want to display the radiation output from nuclear weapons, reactor explosions etc. And it would start looking like a game UI eventually.

​@@sam23696 you and I both know they arent whay youre trying to say they are

@@klinetalladen So what? The radiation flash on the UI for the ship officer would look the same anyway. Does it matter if the guy doing the CGI for the show thought of that? I've thought of an explanation that suits myself, problem solved as far as I'm concerned.

Even the Asgard was surprised 1:41😮

That would have worked yes.

More so, because the asguard didn't want their tech being used as a weapon. And yes, I see the irony of the fact that they also upgraded the shields and hyperdrive of a warship

It actually makes a huge difference to how much damage the nuke does. They end up explaining this explicitly in the series finale, how a confined nuke has nowhere for the energy to go except all throughout the ship, while a hull-adjacent detonation will just warm the hull a bunch. Also, if there's a jamming field, then there's no reason to assume it hugs the surface of the hive's hull that closely.

@@ericdugdale8585 It was either Armageddon or Deep Impact that explains it really well. Light a firecracker in your palm and you'll burn your hand. Close your fist around it and light it and you'll be left with a stump.

@@ericdugdale8585 see I can't agree with that. Then daedalus missiles shouldn't work. When they make impact with the outside hull and cripple the ship they deal massive damage. I'm basing this off the episode where the daedalus came out hyperspace in the void between galaxies and shot all of its nukes at the one hive and only a few crippled it. They also emphasize that the biggest problem with the missiles is that they don't get to make it to the target most of the time due to fighter interference.

@@nitrothechampzach4702 Oh they'd still do some damage. The damage drops off *rapidly* with distance though. A nearby nuke (proximal beaming) is less effective than an in-contact nuke (Daedalus missiles) is far less effective than an internal nuke (beaming, sneaking, etc.). Keep in mind that in the battle of the void, that hive did *survive* getting hit by that nuke, even as it took serious damage. It does probably matter exactly where on the hive the missile lands. Hitting the inside of its surface folds would result in a lot more exposure to the explosion than a hit on the outside of those folds, for example.

Dont think about it too much. They made a mistake by stating that the hive ships dont have shields even though earlier in SG1 they made it clear that traveling in hyperspace would not be possible without shields.

I mean, what says that the jamming field doesn't extend well outside the physical hull of the wraith ship? Jamming is usually area denial anyways.

Or ambush them with nukes before they can launch their fighters.

true.

Oh yeah, a few tactical nukes at point blank range while at 20% shields. Great idea.

@@edenarchive4150 ?

@@edenarchive4150 they could use timer ⏱

Well, the explode-y panels in the CIC (a.k.a. The Bridge) are so ingrained in the popular culture thanks to Startrek that even other sci-fi settings adopted what would be a complete design failure in an actual warship.

@@michaelstaengl1349 battlestar did this well. bridge was buried in the middle of the ship and hardened. That ship took a few direct nukes and the lights barely flickered

@@th3teacher705 Oh, wow. Well, I never saw even one of the the Battlestar series's. Perhaps, I should do it.

@@michaelstaengl1349 you should

Bleed-through damage?

The explanation given by all these shows is that they are power overloads. The amount of energy being pumped into these shield emitters is enough to power a city, imagine the energy density of those cables overloading from shield damage. Basically think of it like a flowing faucet, and the energy weapons is blocking the faucet, water sprays everywhere.

they bring up during the first battle the nukes carried by fire giver wouldn't do much outside.

Pretty sure the railguns just shot at the fighters.

It wouldn't matter. Jamming is an area of effect so should work inside as well as very close proximity, so you might as well just put it inside for a sure kill with fewer bombs.

Those things are reverse-engineered Ori beam weapons. At this point in time they may not have even encountered the Ori yet (Sam was still at the SGC two or three episodes back, and on Day 1 of Season 9 she's been away refitting the Prometheus).

Each of those hive ships are durable enough to withstand a direct hit from naquada enhanced nukes that have yield of 1000-1200 megatons. Though I'm not sure about the wraith cruisers.

Your "chain reaction" assertion is not correct. You are implying nuclear weapons cause fission in atmospheric gasses but all fissile materials are in the bomb an none are in the atmosphere. What the atmosphere provides is simply a medium through which to conduct heat and force (i.e. the shockwave). The fission chain reaction is only in the bomb components, not the surrounding atmosphere.

That's why they beam inside the ship's atmosphere

1) They use some sort of energy field to increase the density and strength of their hull to absurd levels. It's not a shield per say, but the ships are really tough. Beyond what would normally be possible. 2) Why do so many people seem to think that the wraith jamming devices magically stop being effective 10 feet away from the ship? They're blasting the entire area with jamming to stop teleportation, but that jamming doesn't work as soon as you move 10 feet to the right. That literally doesn't make sense.

We have sensor jammers we don’t have shields. It’s basic ecm flood the area with em and confuse the sensors

The asgard could target multiple locations at once, their ships had several transporters. Earth ships have a single transporter, maybe a second weaker system as a backup.

The worst?

Humans can master hyperspace, shields but never plasma weapons. This was annoying.

It was ridiculous yes they used missiles that were always destroyed before hitting the target and some ww2 cannons. It would be awesome yes if they would have been able to add at least Ha’tak primary weapon to that ship.

​@@doords hyperdrive on Tau'ri ships was originally Goa'uld in origin, then Human originated powered by Naquadriah, then Asgard hyperdrives. The shields were always Asgard ones, seemingly. It does seem strange that they never placed any alien weapons on their ships. However we do see evidence that USAF weaponry is effective against unshielded targets like death gliders. The rail guns may be effective even against shielded targets. Missiles were shown to be somewhat effective against Goa'uld ships. It seems Tau'ri weapons are not as far behind as other areas of technology like shields and propulsion.

takes time to program the transporter even for an Asgard.

@@toomanyaccounts yah but the wraith didn't know they were there. If they targeted all the hives before beaming the warheads then they could have sent them all at once and destroyed all 10 hives.

@@beeradg89 they were stupid and over complacent.

This was the main problem with Stargate Atlantis. The writers kept creating situations where only bad logic kept the expedition from gaining a firm upper hand. Logically having destroyed the first wraith attack the expedition had an opportunity to open negotiations for peace with the Wraith. The Wraith could not know how many ships the expedition could field, or what other radical technology they could bring to bear. But by pre-emptively striking the Wraith they exposed their hand and allowed the enemy to develop a countermeasure. But this was necessary for the writers to keep the tone of the series. It was still poorly done with lots of logical holes. I really enjoyed The Siege three parter, but it did have a lot of problems and the writing of Atlantis wasn't as sharp or effective as SG-1. Later in SGU they used the same bag of tricks more effectively, but it was still prone to lots of wasted opportunities and somewhat eye-roll-inducing moments!

could be a bubble of interference that extends beyond the ships hull

@@kevinforget549 the only issue is they need to get passed the darts, TP the missle to were there are no darts and the missle does the rest, this has bothered me since this episode but then you could easily wipe out the wraith and the show would basically be over

writers lack of imagination

I mean I get why they didn’t, like P-wee said blow up the wraith ships that easy in the start of the 2nd season then it’s too easy and zero suspense. It’s kind of my issue with later seasons of both sg-1 and sga the humans got too much tech and it drained the threat level.

Because if you apply any logic to the series it falls apart.

Apperently small ftl engines are really unstable and the newer F302s dont use it anymore

@@henrycooper3431 indeed but in the case of a missile if it explode thats not a big issue XD

I mean, the cruisers from the previous scene retreated and reported on the teleportation technology back home. I mean, it can't be THAT hard to jam Asgard beam teleportation technology. It's not like it's designed for use as a weapon. Just have to disrupt the signal enough that anything you send doesn't arrive in one piece. They can't teleport through basic energy shields, like even that of the inferior goul'd. It's probably not that difficult to disrupt.

They probably meet Vanir.

I assume they didn‘t really know about the new design during filming. Rodney even calls the Deadalus a sister ship of the Prometheus. Which she not really is considering it is a completely new class of ships. So it seems like the design change happened afterwards while making the special effects.

Yeah they keep the design of the Prometheus throughout both SG1 and Atlantis on those displays and the bigger screens I’m assuming it was a budget thing

interesting with the display at 2:28 is the model above the shield display does seem to be of the daedalus

The computer systems were the same so some unimportant icons were not changed yet cause ship rushed out from production. In car industry I had one BMW e39 that was combi but on main computer there was still sedan picture.

Cause space, look up the physics of explosives and how they interact in different mediums then you’ll understand

Because there's literally zero reason why the wraith jamming effects would abrupt stop at the edge of the ships hull? Seriously, why the fuck do so many people think this would work. It doesn't even make sense. Jamming devices don't just "stop" like that...

That's exactly what I'm saying. The damn things need to be barely close to the ships when they detonate.

To be fair, setting longer timers increases the risk of the bomb being found and disabled, which could be reused as weapons for the wraith

@@edc5068 proximity based iff nuke. Won't detonate within certain range of friendly ships but will detonate within range of hostiles.

@@nitrothechampzach4702 They could dismantle and reverse engineer the nukes. Just as Ra did in the very first Stargate movie. Funny though that Ra happens to also die by surprise nuke teleport

@@edc5068 I'm not saying leave them in space for long periods. Teleport them to literally just outside the hull and let the proximity based explosive explode. Time to deployment and explosion would be instant after the weapon is sent.

According to what some people told me, the Wraith ships dont use shields and as such when they enter ftl they are constantly hit with radiation worse than human's nukes, this force them to exit ftl and wait for their hulls to regenerate from the damage. The Daedalus use this to pinpoint their location in this battle and thus the Wraiths probably gonna lose all ships if they enter ftl.

@@henrycooper3431 I meant Daedalos

@@silurusdominus ah yeah it is quite noob of them

I thought of that; presumably the "jamming field" extends a distance from the hull.

Nukes in outer space in vacuum environment are drastically less deadly. It's the atmosphere that surrounds the earth that makes nukes really deadly. Nukes detonate at a specific altitude depending on the devices yield, So the pressure wave bounces off the earth creating a second pressure wave that merges with the original pressure wave. Forming a stronger pressure wave that travels further and has more pushing power to knock buildings over.

Hives outer armor can tank big nukes. Won't do much damage. The hive that was nearly crippled by the Daedalus in "No Man's Land" was still able to cripple the Daedalus, only a miracle saved the ship.

Put a bomb on top of a rock. It'll scorch the stone because most of the energy is wasted into the open space. Put it in the rock and seal it up. It'll split the rock in two because the energy has nowhere to go but into the rock. Or if you didn't seal it properly, it'll be a small cannon...

@@DomWeasel also no shockwave in a vacuum and that’s where the majority of the damage comes from

Yeah, and I still don't understand " They are trying to aboard us, they used this tactic when they attack Atlantis". Like i saw this show billion times and I still cannot find scene of Cruiser landing on atlantis XD

@@breexy7190 todd brings that up in a later season, they captured several ships powered by ZPMs to power there cloning tech.

@@icer1249 they get those zpms from acient ships that they send deep into wraith territory, not from atlantis

Yes. But try SG-1 anyway, it's a great series. If you are interested in a more modern series, SGU is the most recent series and is actually pretty good as an introduction to the lore of the series too as it has references to the earlier shows.

It’s not mandatory but its preferable, with Sg1 series you can understand better how they discovered the Antarctica base and how USAF built those spaceships

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If the Wraith Cruisers at the siege of Atlantis were taking sensor readings when one of the two Hive ships was destroyed via a teleported nuke, it's possible that they shared this information with other Hive ships after their escape; closer to "a few hours", perhaps?

@Ragitsu I still don't think they had time. It's hard to scan a nuke getting beamed in within a few seconds

Two more wraith hive ships were destroyed in a previous battle a couple weeks earlier. They almost certainly had the jamming ready prior to the attack, but didn't have it active since they weren't expecting an ambush. So that delay was just the time it took them to realize their ships were exploding and activate the jamming they prepared after the previous battle..

During the attack on Atlantis, Wraith Cruisers - which eventually fled to the other Hives - recorded sensor data.

Not worth my time. Japanese anime is for children.

It was later revealed that the vanir encountered the wraith after the ancients were defeated and may have used beaming technology as part of thier tactics.

@@E-101-Beta the Same they solved the problem in all ships in 30seconds. And beside that add the untrust culturr of the wraith. It was to fast

@sesshomaru2005 The wraith are a hive species that serve thier respective queen. They are also quite technologically advanced. It's not farfetched that they could do this.

@@sesshomaru2005The Wraith Cruisers that retreated from the initial siege of Atlantis may have shared sensor data with the other Hives...