Clearly! They weren't aware that the writers had other plans...

I cant understand why 1 of the atlanteans did no show how to reactive them from stasis in the real word , find /make zpm's and deal with the wraith or lock it in stasis forever

I love-hate that episode, it screamed "too good to be true from the start, yet, the offscreen "yeah we killed every single one of them" felt so wasted...

I knew instantly they were going to ve A-holes. Before the next commercial ended I figured they would have to be killed off. I didn't figure out how though until they did it. I liked these two episodes for the way the writers handled it.

that cant be the moment you add them you destroy most plot the urge for zpm? over they most likely know how to bild/charge such and so on and so on, everything like "their data abse is too big just to get info we need as we want" (when it coma to ancient database and such) is over the moment you ...well have ancients on board

I agree with you and it would be really great but somehow it also fits it shows how arrogant the antiques were because they didn't even think for a second that the repilcators could not have changed their basic code I mean even if it is said they will be surprised that the ancients are back but the people have gained enough experience that these machines are smart enough to adapt and could have issued a warning that their code had already been changed by the warith and, above all, the primitive people did it too . So all in all I would say it just shows the reasons why the antique ones have lost so often I think it happens often enough in our history but one could have expected more from people with such a high iq. :)

@@greyknight9003 Well they were confident on the replicators not changing their basic code. And knowing what we know, rightly so.

Instead, Ancient hubris, and quite honestly dickishness, strikes again.

Even if just ONE of them would have survived. Would have been fantastic to have a semi regular Ancient character.

I think by the time the pizza gets out of the oven, delivered to SGC, then forwarded to Atlantis, the pizza would be cold by then. And cold pizza is just bleh.

I think they mentioned at some point that the trip takes around an hour, but the pizzas would probably be in some sort of stasis during transport so it would probably still be warm.

The most expensive pizza in TWO galaxies XD

@@Scnottaken Pizzas, along with the courier would be de-materialized for most of that time so they won't get cold

@@user-vd8oy1wh4r I would hope the courier wouldn't get cold. Should wear a jacket.

This episode helped us to see how stuck-up the Ancients probably were. They wouldn't have helped Earth or anyone they considered inferior to them (and aside the Nox and the Asgard, that would be all races on both galaxies)

​@@mut57The Hebridians/Serrakins gave SG-1 an Ion engine in"Space Race" for us to use for research. It's rare that a comparable hyper drive capable race gives it to us willingly, but it did happen sometimes.

Though maximum sublight velocity isn't a thing, unless it's literally light speed or very close to it. Certainly not something like Star Trek's full impulse

A Major plot hole in this is.. At 9.999% the speed of light, The Ancient ship and its Crew would be literally FROZEN in time due to said Time Dilation. So there's no way they would be able to detect the Daedalus let alone communicate with them.

@@benjaminsisko4519 The Daedalus was travelling just short of the speed of the Ancients, wouldn’t that roughly match up their time perspectives? Since they are both roughly in the same reference frame, their clocks should more or less be synced up enough for them to scan each other.

@@Gatetraveller1 Not even close. As Rodney stated if the Daedalus were to get anywhere close to matching the speed of the Ancient Ship they would experience the same Time Dialation and years would pass on Earth for every second in their frame of reference.

@@benjaminsisko4519 interesting, time dilation is difficult to grasp when talking about two different reference frames interacting. Even with what Rodney said, wouldn’t the Ancient ship then be moving at at least somewhat when compared to the Daedalus (which was moving at 50% light speed). So to the Ancients perspective, they seen a ship pop in/out of their scanners for a nano second and they then began decreasing speed?

That's artistic liberty. Every episode with a 1st contact would be 40 minutes of a 45 minute runtime of learning the language.

It could also be a possibility that the Daedalus just has a universal translator fed with the language database from Atlantis

at this point, they had a very good understanding of the language, so i imagine it wouldn't be too hard for them to have real time translations for it

@@markdurl8341 The BC-304s don’t have hologram emitters. Whenever there’s a holographic transmission appearing on deck, it’s always from the transmitting [alien] ship, both the audio and video. Capt. Helia was not being heard through the bridge speakers.

@@guntere1004 But the Daedalus speakers were not running the audio from the Tria. It was a direct holo-transmission from that ship. While an Aurora-class might have a translator for running Earth Languages into Lantean, the Daedalus-class has never been shown to be able to do the same. Even the Asgard Systems have to be shown in Asgard Runes, not Latin script read-outs.

To be fair, much of the time we saw him he was possessed by a Gould.

Awesome alien Ancients amaze all.

I read somewhere that is due to the Stargate and that when you step though at least in the tv series it auto translates

@@SamuelBoreas the ship had Asgard tech including a translation program

Lol they do state they have scanned ur ship e.g the whole context of the computer

@@corberus3119 the Asgard probably got the technology from the Alterans.

Well from our perspective the Tria was approaching us, not the other way. Going away the Doppler Shift would be to the Red, while approaching would be to the Blue. The blur did kinda look blue.

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt they mess up the physics in that scene ? If the ship was traveling so close to the speed of light … shouldnt it be from our perspective shrinked in lenght ? Like super shrinked in lenght .. not elonged like we see in the scene.

​@@martinnovak5929 it also would have been much much faster. if I recall correctly, the deadalus can fly at 600.000km/h while the other shit must have been close to 300.000km/s. the speed ratio between those two is completely wrong.

​@@JPK1337actually Prometheus is stated by carter to be able to achieve 50% of speed of light and Daedalus is more advanced so the speed difference should be more like 1/3

Me too. I was so heartbroken when they cancelled Universe. Just when it was getting good :(

@@roryedward2631 of all the stargTE SHOWS uNIVERSE IS THE ONE THEY REALLY SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED...capslock sorry.

From gathering berries to gathering Alterans.

Also imagine that their scans would have shown that the hyperdrive and many other systems was of Asgard design, would have loved to see atleast 5-10 minutes of the trip to atlantis where they got caught up to speed about what humanity have been doing in recent years

Shepard the shepherd.

@@Ragitsu A "leader" who actually "leads"!!! Bravo Ragitsu!!!

It’s because of the way the gate bridge works. If you were dial midway and send an IDC into the wormhole, it would only reach Gate 1 of 17. It would then be forwarded until it hit Midway and yet another gate sequence would be needed to get a confirmation signal back to the person who dialled. All together that’s roughly 30 minutes worth of waiting and by then it’s no longer secure to accept a traveller as anything could have happened in those 30 minutes (base takeover for example). So the Macro that is coded into every Gate in the chain is the security measure, but the Wraith managed to bypass it due to insider knowledge.

@@Gatetraveller1 I dont think thats how it works though. Midway can send an IDC to the SGC with no problem despite still doing it through a gate bridge. The only issue would be that no confirmation can be sent back, at least not in a practical amount of time.

@@builder396 That is how the bridge works if you put an iris on midway. Rodney explains it in the episode about the bridge. Even if the traveller steps along the gate bridge with the IDC, either Atlantis or the SGC could be overrun by the enemy and nobody present would be there to open the iris/shield. So the MACRO would have to be designed to automatically open either puddle shield if it isn’t done so in a set amount of time.

An IDC system wouldn't work with the gate bridge as there dialing 17 gates on sequence. If they enter with the IDC transmission and the IDC is denied then splat against the shield. If they wait for a reply that's 34 gates that you have to wait for before knowing if u can go through, at which point someone may have ambushed you and midway would now be vulnerable to attack. The real security with midway was secrecy and the macro required to make it work.

The iris and IDC where to be instated on Tuesday

You are correct.

@@mang4260It's called "bad writing"; do not introduce an advanced race if you cannot do them justice.

Until those pesky replicators showed up

They use subspace communication that travels in hyperspace aboard Daedalus which has a range of millions of light-years. We saw this on the episode SGC had to warn Oddessy of the Wraith

The writers had to make the Ancients foolish plus slightly callous so that the (human) heroes could shine.

​@@RagitsuAncients were foolish.

@@develynseether4426 The almighty writers: only they could take a race that persisted for *millions* of years across at least two galaxies (while seeding them with life _and_ Stargates) and make them as dumb as the plot requires.

@@Ragitsu well, it was already kinda implied they were arrogant and impractical to the point of idiocy. I mean, 5 years in the Pegasus galaxy and earth killed nearly half the hive ships. The Ancients at their height, however, were curb-stomped by the space vampires.

@@Mofo6773222 Keep them a mystery...or at least keep them dead.

The Ancients should have been kept a mystery.

@@Ragitsu Agreed on that.

The Lantean ship isn't at warp, though. They're at .999% the speed of light. Warp actually puts your ship in another dimension; think of it like moving a small raft from a slow stream into a white water rapid, and then back into the slow stream to return to our dimension. The Lantean ship was moving as fast as possible, in accordance with our understanding of physics, in the slow stream. It wasn't able to make the jump into the white water rapid.

@@EternalScarecrow That's not "Warp" speed travel. That's Hyperspace travel. Nobody in Stargate uses Warp speed travel or space Warp technology. That's a completely different form of FTL (Faster Than Light) travel from the Star Trek universe and franchise and works completely differently from hyperspace travel. And no, you can't just use it as a "catch-all" term to refer to anything that's traveling at FTL regardless of the underlying technology. For one thing warp speed is several times slower than hyperspace travel. (Space Folding from the Dune universe is the fastet of all FTL travel since it's practivally instantaneous) Warp travel works by distorting the space ahead of and behind the ship (compressing space in front if it and expanding it behind it - kind of like how aerofoils work for plans and boats) while the ship itself, not moving at FTL speed or violating Einsteins relativistic laws about matter not traveling at the speed of light - rides the space in between that's accelarated to FTL (space is not subject to the same light speed restriction that matter is), aka the "wake" to get to FTL speed. That's different from Hyperspace travel which, as you correctly put it, takes the ship through a seperate dimension or "hyperspace" through which you can bypass the speed limitations of regular space. Completely different mechanics and completely different tehcnology. And you can't just conflate them like they're the same thing. They're not even close to the same thing.

@@Cbricklyne interesting, i didnt know the dune travel was instantaneous. is there a range on it? if there is then that would top the BSG FTL travel which is also just blink out and blink back in at the new location.

585 days

The time it would take for an object traveling at a speed of 0.999c to stop under a constant acceleration of 27G, taking into account the effects of special relativity, is approximately 2.99 x 10^8 seconds. This is about 9.47 years. { "input": "c = 299792458; v = 0.999*c; a = 27*9.81; gamma = 1 / Sqrt[1 - (v/c)^2]; aProper = a / gamma^3; t = c * (Sqrt[(c / aProper)^2 + 2 * v / aProper] - c / aProper)" }

First comes world peace.

Get this: it was left out there.

Because he also commands its F302 Squadron. Until the Asgards gave SGC their Beam Cannon Tech, the 304s served primarily to deploy 302s into battle, and not be battlecruisers themselves.

for the same reason the captain of an aircraft carrier might also wear an F/A-18 patch

If it wasn't possible, there would be no episode. "Deus Ex Machina"

Computer control?

@@Utubesuperstar Ancient computers are no joke.

@@Ragitsu I think everyone is forgetting that from the Ancients perspective, everything else around them outside their own ship is almost frozen. So as they travel past the Daedalus, they would see a perfectly frozen Daedalus, creep forward like a snail. They had plenty of time (no pun intended) to see the Daedalus to react and slow down.

@@luminatrixfanfiction you got the time dilation backwards. rodney stated that only a dozen or so years pass for those onboard, while 10,000 pass for everything outside the ship. For them 1 sec is like a few months for us. so the Daedalus being there for a couple hours our time is less than a fraction for a second to them.

Awesome apparatus.

@@Ragitsu Awesomest apparatus 2000.

@@sfacets Awesomratus.

In some sci-fi shows they says that they do by using subspace.

Bearing in mind that FtL engines on a ship means you ALSO need FtL sensors so you don't crash into stuff. Even if you macGuffin the route ("hyperspace is outside normal space, so it doesn't matter our route passes through planets and other objects") you still need to check your destination- either before you leave or more likely before you arrive, and from memory most visible light we see on Earth is millions of years old so there's no point using "normal" sensors for that

Writer's crutch?

Correction: projects a hologram from their ship*.

@@Ragitsu which is arguably an even better feat of technology. to project a hologram onto a ship a couple light years away. a ship that dosnt even possess the technology to project holograms

Someone who again never paid any attention. The Replicators had a code in them not to harm the ancients. And it would have still been there, had it not been for Rodney. Had it been there, the Replicators would not have been a problem at all.

@@nihilityjoey oh I know that. But they have been gone thousands of years. They didn't think the humans who saved there asses were smart enough to offer anything to them. Hence the arrogance.

​@@LeJimster What? Did you miss the part where they were willing to let the humans coexist with them on Atlantis? That's arrogance?

@@nihilityjoey I haven't watched this for a couple of years, but from what I remember the Atlantean commander takes control of Atlantis immediately and asks all the humans to leave, with a promise that eventually they will have a dialogue once they're settled. I don't remember any promise of them cohabitating. If that was the case they wouldn't have kicked them all off. But it's been awhile, so I might be misremembering. And yes I stand by what I said, the Ancients are arrogant save a select few. We see so many examples of it. I guess they have to be though, it would be too easy if the Atlantis expedition had access to such people with advanced knowledge. Every time we find an advanced race in the Stargate series' they eventually get wiped out. It's a little unimaginative the writing tbh.

@@LeJimster Ancients: "We'd like some time to ourselves after this harrowing ordeal. Eventually, your people will be allowed to join us." United States military: "You folks are ARROGANT!"