He's awesome as Jay garrick

Me neither! But now, given Shipp's age, I prefer seeing him play Jay Garrick than the Earth 90 Flash.

Jay Garrick is as Superman as he is Flash 😊😁

@@justingary5322 What does that mean?

@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff Reas what I said it means he's inspirational and truthful unlike some heroes

No matter which Earth we’re on, Jay Garrick is awesome.

Every member no matter the role is important even if they don't fight.

Well, he did grow up in the `30s when Americans actually showed some hint of givin` a rat`s ass about democracy after all!

He got it from barry Allen l/grant Gustin

Jay Garrick is such a good dude. He may not be the strongest member on the team, but he has a heart of gold.

Wildcat is making me feel like punching him

@Aidaninsask and CBS 90s Flash

John Wesley Shipp; the Flash of 3 worlds.

@@scottd.delano2810 Earth Prime, New Earth 2, Earth 90.

@@the_varunrvel technically, he's the pre-Crisis Earth-3 Flash residing on Earth-Prime; Earth-3, as far as we know, didn't combine into Earth-Prime; he and Joan Williams are multiverse refugees who naturally retain their memories of the original multiverse.

Cause he is Flash and he's not mean and disrespectful to anyone

At least Hourman isn't as jerk like as Wild Cat, I feel like the worst two are actually Starman and Wild Cat

If you look throught Pat's flashbacks, you'll see that every member of the JSA respected Pat except Starman who only thought of him as his sidekick and a driver.

Yeah I respected both Pat & New Earth 2 Jay better than those jerks & hypocrites

Jay the Flash I honor you...

It's always great to see him as Jay Garrick!

Man I still love him as the old school 1990's Flash!!!

In Crisis he was reprising his 90s Barry Allen Flash. I haven't seen Star Girl. Is this the same Jay Garrick we see in the Flash tv show, or is this an alternate universe Jay Garrick?

@@bigdoubleu117 AU, Jay's Earth 3 was folded into Earth Prime after Crisis.

@@airsoul366 yeah which i don't get because barrys dad is the same guy

Sylvester is also a lied Everything to protect my family but never killed his brother in law Hey he even went after almost dying in hiding like a coward and let brainwave kill his sister and nephew but He just was probably afraid of hourman and wildcat

I think Johnny Thunder also liked him, and more than likely Green Lantern given what Jade told Pat.

Sylvester tried to do it Pat's way at first but then The Spectery Green Lantern,... got killed

@@mrj4082 nah they just got beat they didn’t die

@@ChrisAtheist what???

Wdym by next season,the season is finished? Oh damn i didn’t realise

@@darthyoda8170 looks like someone doesn't watch stargirl. The latest episode aired is 2x09. 4 more episodes left in the season

@@nvapisces7011 “looks like someone didn’t watch Stargirl! 🤓🤓” I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t watch stargirl 💀

I really hope with this crossover going on the The Flash right now will open opportunity for a crossover with this show. It would be great to see The Flash be shown the way Stargirl is. 👏

It's always great to see John Wesley Shipp play Jay Garrick. But it's not really clear if he's playing the same Garrick here that he plays on the Flash show.

@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff I'm pretty sure it's a different one. But let's hope that means for a crossover if his character is still alive.

@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff I think the costume is slightly different, so I assume it's just a different universe. It still was cool and lends credibility to what's come before by having him there.

@@davidm4566 No, John Wesley Shipp even said in an interview that he wears the exact same Jay Garrick costume in both Flash and Stargirl... Obviously, Stargirl and Flash are set in two different universes. Yet, there's still a very simple way it could be the same Jay Garrick. Like I said, I explained it in my video. Please just search for a KZfaq video called: "Jay Garrick on Stargirl: What it means for the future" and listen to that simple explanation.

Yeah, I agree. Side note, I'm glad to see in the same costume from the Flash series. Jay is definitely the righteous one in the group.

You are right! When you mention it, even in the earliest flashbacks, Starman was always a colossal prick to Pat! Pat must’ve had the soul of a saint or the conviction of knowing of what he did or what he was apart of truly mattered(justice) in this world, personally I would have told them to f-off a long time ago, especially Sylvester! Now that I recall in all his(Pat’s) stories about the JSA, he always seemed to spin them in the ultra-noble, larger than life point of view, which personally I think is a mistake to Courtney! I believe that showing their frail human flaws or failings as human beings makes the accomplishments of the things they’ve done in their time that much more legendary!

@@aaronsteel853 that was purely a cost cutting messure

wasn't Johnny Thunder also nice to him?

@@WardNightstone Apparently it's the exact same Jay Garrick that's on the Flash. John Wesley Ship has said so. So it's implied that he moved to Earth 0 after the JSA was disbanded

I agree. It seems like they did not treat him with much respect.

Wildcat was even disrespectful to Pat in episode 3 too

Pat should left the JSA completely But sadly he was an idiot who was loyal probably because of Sylvester

@@diganta22 I think in that instance he wanted to keep Pat from getting killed, given the high stakes and the fact that Pat at the time had a young son and no powers/abilities. Not excusing his behavior here, but this is an extremely high stress situation with everyone’s families potentially under fire and Ted probably had an idea of how Pat would’ve voted anyhow.

@@TrackMaster844 There are other flashbacks from previous episodes where they treat Pat the same as this one.

It's all about experiences, JWS as his Barry had his reckless moments, but as a seasoned hero (being both Barry and Jay) he's a lot more grounded and chill, also every Flash is always looking for the way to handle a situation or saving even their enemies, that's the characters' strength. Jay, Barry, Wally and even Bart are the best.

You think so? Overall, I liked Season 1 better than 2.

@@Joelikesmoviesnstuff for sure but this was one of the best moments though

@@delgadom07cr99 This was one of the most memorable moments of Season 2. I don't disagree with you there.

But as Courtney mentioned when Yolanda put it on, the suit's supposed to tailor itself to fit the wearer; "one size fits all" were her exact words as I recall. Probably just something weird in the costume department.

Looks incredibly stupid.

@Rick Walters corny asf

@@SaiyanGamer14 more like creepy Asf 😬

Nah I'm pretty sure Wild Cat meant it.

I agree that he meant it. If he didn't then he wouldn't have treated Pat as dirt to begin with. It's because he viewed pat as being inferior to actual members he did so hence we can conclude he definitely meant what he said

Soundin like a Trump Supporter when you say it like that...

@@ThePickAndPlay No need to bring politics into this. Especially since I'm not very political.

@@cptboomerang6317 I just meant by all the swerves and turns in logic

He actually is I believe, because he said he fought in the 40s for a while

Two different universes

I came up with my reasoning for why Jay and Joan were on earth prime: Jay and his wife left earth 2 following the death of JSA and Jay believed that the JSA were not what they used to be, hence his and Joan’s exit from Earth 2

@@michaellucejr.6374 Now after Stargirl's finale, he's back to Earth 2 probably

​@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Isn't Jay Earth 3

glad someone menntioned it, was thinking the same lol

You just blew my mind! 🤯

Now you said it. I can't unsee it

I love and hate that i can't unsee it

Oh shit that DOES seem like a great casting decision. Who would play Ted Kord's Blue Beetle then?

@@benwasserman8223 Ted Kord. I could imagine Adam Scott from "Parks and Recreation".

I never liked booster gold But if he comes then he should be in DC legend's of tomorrow after all if I remember correctly he is rip hunters father

Fuck yes

Ryan Reynolds as booster gold is better. Literally go back in time for him to steal stuff then come to present day as a hero. Classic Reynolds character.

I'm hoping for that too. He's a douche and a hypocrite. He did not deserve Pat's friendship and loyalty.

Is it better than batwomen even with the actress changing in season 2

@@patrickcanedo6466 it is in my opinion this and Superman and Lois are the WB strongest superhero shows.

@@antrodriguez5582 yeah I hope the two shows get a crossover someday

@@dreed138 I so totally agree that would be phenomenal.

Personally, I liked Season 1 better than 2. But I'm glad to see that other fans disagree.

its been good since the beginning hahaha

It is a good show pls do watch

Ummm you did all that for a male wild cat…

@@apratedr8290 Well not yet, I still got 4 other shows to get to, I’m not exactly free during weekdays. But yeah anytime, I see actual effort to emulate the source material believe that should be rewarded.

@@assassinsknight well, if you actually knew anything about the source material, you'd know that Yolanda Montez became wildcat after ted grant died.

His sister Merri (maybe this was before she was killed by Brainwave).

Well, the Spectre's powers tend to fluctuate depending on the event. At his strongest, I've seen him arm-wrestle the Anti-Monitor. Other times, I've seen him struggle against angry magicians. It really depends. John Constantine once said that "On the occult power scale, he goes up and down more often than a wh*re's panties."

@@anthonyeldridge4358 he nearly destroyed all magic in Earth-1 at one point during one of his tantrums (or was it New Earth? I lost track)

@@anthonyeldridge4358 maybe depends on the vessel as well??

Eclipso is up there. Trust me, this isn’t bad writing. In the source material (comics), Eclipso is up there. Saying Eclipso beat the Spectre is not crazy

@@Generator-gc2jo Also true. Eclipso had the Spectre's job, but he was a little too intense and merciless about it and God fired him.

that is what Pat and Jay don't understand

So....either we put the dangerous person in most secure prison so he/she will never hurt anyone ever again or....kill

As Jay said, you're victimizing a victim; kill the vessel to stop Eclipso, even though the vessel is not the one to blame. Is killing the vessel the right call? Ethics.

@@zdine2155 So, what I'm hearing is, the ends justify the means? It doesn't matter how many innocent people you turn into collateral damage.

@@scottd.delano2810 the needs of the many out way the needs of the few

Right!!

Absolutely! I would have left them long ago with that constant mistreatment.

It was a broken team if you watched the ep it would make more sense

@Dark Shogun - You clearly haven´t read a single JSA comic in your entire life... Pat being treated like sh*t is kind of a running theme/joke in classic DC canon (like everyone treats Meg like sh*t in Family Guy). Even in the 40s comics he was seen as kind of a loser xDxD

@@LBF522 I would have left them either and joined ISA

Starman was the only character here that we ever saw on Smallville, right?

With the photo thing, we can probably assume it was taken long before the Eclipso stuff happened considering the JSA disbanded after taking him down and didn’t reform until much later. So Jay probably upgraded his suit sometime between the photo being taken and Eclipso’s attack.

It reminds me of Civil War

Facts.

i agree!!!

So you never watched the Flash then, because this is identical to that show 🤷‍♂️🤫

@Bart Allen FACTS.

Negative much

Dear god no, he’ll ruin it like it’s just another timeline

They never said he's coming over

There will be a crossover the cw mentioned it.

@@KoltVEVO what do u mean Barry saved a whole universe all he did was make a one mistake and it was flashpoint and so did jay and every other speedster including thawne

That's a great question

john wesley shipp said in an interview that this jay is the same jay we all know but earlier in his timeline

@@dcworld1076 so that means this is jay from earth 3 rite that’s only way it makes sense

Guess Pat should have joined to the JLA after these heroes treated him so disrespectfully.

Guess the Joker was right then.

Well, to be fair, it's not ran by the CW, so that's a positive. And it's followed a completely different series style than the others, opting and for a continuous story from the get go, rather than catch a baddie thrown em in prison and done. Quite similar to Superman and Lois actually haha. So there is reason to be hopeful, but, I do agree I hope it doesn't end up failing as time goes on...

@@mastere6115 wait if it’s not ran by cw, how is jay here?

Flash and Stargirl lol 2/8+ 😂💩

@@beardupbeerdown7355 he means appeared, which is mostly correct. Counting the crossover episodes he was in that is

@@KoltVEVO COIE was a movie 🤷‍♂️

@@beardupbeerdown7355 coie Is not a movie

Well i don't know if the elseworld crossover opening count's And I don't remember him in all crisis episodes But he was in almost all arrowverse shows

Even if it means killing a poor innocent idiot that got tricked into becoming Eclipso's host?

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 If host can't be saved, then yes

Agree

@@BamBam-3886 But if they can, then what? Will you regret, knowing that you could’ve save an innocent person? I would only kill an enemy if there’s no other choice, but if there’s a way without ending it in bloodshed, then I would take that.

@@MelianLimGachaVideos If I had someone to protect, then its worth it

Stargirl isn't the only one superman and lois has good writing to

its not arrowverse

@@ItsOver9000Productions it is

Did you not know in advance that he'd be appearing?

@@johnvem949 hmm i had a feeling since jay garrick is also with the JSA but youre right i didnt know he would appear in that episode.

I mean since Sylvester started the superhero gig at a very young age...

Same! I also like to think maybe this Jay Garrick is the same one from the Flash show, but he and Joan Williams arrived to that earth, shortly after the JSA were defeated by the ISA.

@@michaellucejr.6374 That's possible!

its great you should give it a try

I only came here because I saw Jay Garrick

Flashback

Umm do you really not realize this 8s a flash back I thought it was so obvious

@@mvp-the-evilgamer Pretty sure he means why is Starman a superhero, because their actions weren’t very hero like

Why is Rex tyler horuman a hero? I'm pretty sure his origin is comic accurate which means He was working for the company who poisoned and killed Many people including Icicle's wife and in comics he even knew what they're doing and didn't do anything because he was trying to get superpower which he then managed to get by the hourglasses he created I'm sure he has the same origin here which makes him even worse than almost the whole ISA

@@KoltVEVO I'm not too sure about that one but maybe

No, this show is not set on the Arrowverse. This version of Jay despite having the same actor (and sadly the same suit) as Arrowverse Jay *is not* the same one.

No the Jay from the Flash is from Earth-Prime (formerly Earth-3). Stargirl is Earth-2. So this Jay is the doppelganger of the one from the Flash

Weeeeelll that would’ve been the case had crisis not occurred which according to Gideon on the Flash resulted in I think 14 billion changes to the universe, which she offered to go over to Barry but he said no, so realistically this could be one of those changes

@@JamesPosseHunt ur saying this jay in star girl is from earth 2 and is earth 3 jay garrick doppelgänger who is now on earth prime but it makes no sense if this jay is from earth 2 then how is there a Henry Allen from earth 2

@@kinglewandowski2819 Stargirl is in New Earth 2 pal. That Earth 2 with Harry Wells doesn't exist cause of Crisis

My guess is that it wasn’t even a fight at Bruce Gordon’s mansion. Starman, Hourman, and Wildcat probably put Bruce in a situation to kill himself. The opening scene basically hinted at that but also zoomed into his ex-wife’s picture. Another person probably played part in it too which leads me to the Shade.

I like to see the Spectre on Stargirl.

@@jarrettmoorejr1403 Spectre would be great. I just don’t understand how Spectre and Fate could be defeated by the ISA. Yes, the last episode explained that the child’s death split the team and left them distracted but Spectre and Fate could never be defeated by people like the ISA

@@thekingoffandoms8126 Iirc, someone said they where defeated by Eclipso, not sure though, could be wrong. But yeah, Eclipso is pretty damn powerful, especially as he used to be a Spectre iirc.

He’ll come back in the next few episodes

no he's not

He has a sister who was the wife of brainwave Didn't you watch season 1? Courtney thought starman is her father and because of that she thought henry Jr (brainwaves son) is her cousin

@@ChrisAtheist Oh yeah, you’re right. Whenever I hear that line, I immediately think spouse and children. Thanks.

Probably because he didn't wanted to hurt the human host Or because the spectre had a human host which depowered him alot

@@ChrisAtheist The spectre needs a human host so that’s not the case. And he’s not invulnerable. He’s near omnipotent but can be hurt by strong magic, and eclipso in the comics is not some random supernatural entity, he was the previous spirit of vengeance before the spectre, so I assume that they’re at least equal in power

@@cortesyes I know who eclipso was eclipso was replaced by spectre And no the Spectre doesn't need a human host after he defeated Eclipso But it's clear that somehow the host decides how powerful he is ,in some Hosts he is stronger than in others And I hope they use the God's spirit of vengeance Origin and not the bad origin Created by humans evil

Jay is alone enough for them

@@diganta22 Hourman's powers vary, but in some he is Flash's kryptonite.

@@matthewhecht9257 flash is faster so he could run away or the faster you get the more power

A few years😕More like a Decade😂😂😂

@@NakidMan9000 and what is in a decade

Is this the same jay garrick from earth 3 or a different on I people keep saying this jay from earth 2 but it’s impossible because there is a Henry Allen on earth 2 so there can’t be 2 of the same Doppelgängers born on the same earth

John Wesley Shipp says he feels comfortable working in that suit. So if this is what took to get Shipp to play Garrick on Stargirl, I won't complain.