StarTalk Podcast: Neil deGrasse Tyson & Anthony Daniels on C-3PO and the Rise of Robots

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On this episode of StarTalk Radio, Neil deGrasse Tyson sits down with Anthony Daniels, the man behind one of the most iconic characters in film history - C-3PO. Anthony (as C-3PO) is the only person to appear in all nine Star Wars films spanning multiple decades and you’ll hear about his time involved in the biggest movie franchise on Earth. In-studio, Neil is joined by comic co-host Chuck Nice and robot ethicist Kate Darling, PhD, to explore C-3PO’s cultural impact and the rise of robotics in our society.
Kate investigates “human-robot interaction from a social, legal, and ethical perspective” so she is just the person we want for this conversation. We start with a simple question - what makes C-3PO so likeable? Find out why C-3PO’s appeal stems directly from his humanity. Anthony tells us why he wasn’t really a fan of science fiction before he took the part of C-3PO. You’ll learn about the development of C-3PO and why his subtle asymmetrical design brings his “humanity” to the forefront.
We explore how robots have evolved since the beginning of robotics. We breakdown the differences between androids and robots. Find out more about the “uncanny valley.” We ponder the concept of the “soul.” Kate enlightens us to what our interactions with robots tell us about our personalities. Can you create strong bonds with a robot? Should our laws protect robots?
We investigate how film’s portrayal of artificial intelligence has created unnecessary fear of robotic advancements. We also explore the flaws still found in today’s cutting edge technology. Lastly, we ponder how robots will be introduced into more shared spaces like grocery stores, cafes, etc. All that, plus, Kate tells us what the biggest dilemma will be as robotics continue to advance.
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This episode originally aired March 23, 2020.

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@Gerard1971 4 жыл бұрын

This show is such a fantastic blend of entertainment and science, of fun and learning. 👍 Chuck is not just about cracking jokes, he is very witty and knowledgeable, for example his his explanation about uncanny valley at 17:52.

@jerroneous8549 4 жыл бұрын

What makes people relate to C3P0? It's his job! Human cyborg relations

@joegrimes9232 4 жыл бұрын

Just don't talk Sith around a protocol droid they tend to clam up

@jerroneous8549 4 жыл бұрын

@@joegrimes9232 well clearly that signal is NOT used by the Alliance.

@michaelfrey3619 4 жыл бұрын

@@joegrimes9232 Did anyone mess with 3po's programming since ani? Cuz I've always wondered why he had that restriction.

@neono0dle631 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelfrey3619 not after but before ani. when you think about it ani didnt know any of the gazillion languages 3po speaks (excapt the few spoken on tatooine) so ani probably bought/found it somewhere (probably while playing with his friends bec. remember tatooine was a galatic battleground in the old republic so most likely some sith wreck or old sith hq or something) with the sith blockage already installed

@catherinetoomey-flynn1624 2 жыл бұрын

Chuck has really evolved as a person on this channel. It's been a pleasure to watch this happen. He is very intelligent and eloquent aswell as being funny and not too serious. Such a great mix of qualities.

@platonicdescartes 4 жыл бұрын

Feel free to have Kate back any time she wants to. One of my favorite guests.

@Lewdology 4 жыл бұрын

46:58 I love Chuck's delivery of this joke, oh man.

@polar2631 4 жыл бұрын

what was the joke?

@zyxwvut4740 4 жыл бұрын

@@polar2631 The robot is there to minimize the danger to the soldier, not the reverse.

@Corn0nTheCobb 3 жыл бұрын

I guess you could consider that a joke

@maximilianokoweindl8048 4 жыл бұрын

Completely love her smile and expressions...

@MrLincoln-us9ni 3 жыл бұрын

THIS IS THE SIMP POLICE, YOU BETTER STAND DOWN. WE WILL TAKE ACTION IF YOU DO NOT COMPLY

@snookem2004 4 жыл бұрын

She's so CUTE, Neil can we keep her ??

@TzarBomb 3 жыл бұрын

IKR? Where do I order one?

@Kaelus41 3 жыл бұрын

I think most of us would be interested in her uncanny valley.

@montanamike7948 3 жыл бұрын

We? What do you mean we? You have no part in this as neil has no clue who you are. For neil it's all about him.

@Corn0nTheCobb 3 жыл бұрын

@@montanamike7948 odd comment

@jclee1886 3 жыл бұрын

@@montanamike7948 imposter located

@yijun21 4 жыл бұрын

"R2-D2 is just a robot," R2-D2: *beeps disapprovingly*

@remcolangbroek656 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing: over one hour talking about robots and ethics. And Asimov is completely ignored. The man devoted almost the entirety of his writing to robots and ethics!

@stevewatt4819 4 жыл бұрын

Antony Daniels mentioned the Azimovian Age at around 50 minutes but I understand your point.

@blagageorge3824 4 жыл бұрын

@kp1flush 2 жыл бұрын

Haters gotta hate.

@remcolangbroek656 2 жыл бұрын

Too easy and rather lazy.

@sparshartist01 4 жыл бұрын

Neil deGrasse Tyson Is A Nice person ♥️

@Joel-ik3sz 4 жыл бұрын

That's an understatement.

@abrahamlinkenssphere4236 4 жыл бұрын

More like Neil DeGrasse NICEon amirite?

@Joel-ik3sz 4 жыл бұрын

@@abrahamlinkenssphere4236 yeaahhhhh ma man

@danieldoncaster7139 4 жыл бұрын

Chuck too

@danieldoncaster7139 4 жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong, I love Neil

@PlutosMoon22 4 жыл бұрын

Kate does a waltz with her questions like nothing I’ve ever seen. They ask looking for “yes OR no” answers but she gives yes AND no responses. Talent!! Wish I could do this at meetings.

@jakeportolese4031 4 жыл бұрын

Love this man. He inspired me to become to intrigued with space!

@munirone 4 жыл бұрын

On this episode, Dr. Tyson, you had your two smartest, most insightful guests EVER! Thank you for a fantastic episode!!

@laurafortier9295 10 ай бұрын

"oh dear, i do believe i love me some sci-fi" i spit out my drink. Thank you Chuck...

@Chotensai 2 жыл бұрын

Chuck breaks this ethical dilemma in a minute by using engineering knowledge to make everyone happy *thumbs up*

@thebighadron 4 жыл бұрын

she has such a nice smile

@danieldoncaster7139 4 жыл бұрын

Kate is awesome

@taylingovender6797 4 жыл бұрын

Simp

@erdemmemisyazici3950 4 жыл бұрын

She looks like that awesome face/epic smile emoticon when she smiles. Great personality for an educator, I will remember the seal robot and Google it. Edited to add: Source imgur.com/a/suJrJuS

@Anti-HyperLink 4 жыл бұрын

That's about it.

@victorbautista707 4 жыл бұрын

@@taylingovender6797 hahhaahahahahaha simppp

@eliasgallegos3058 4 жыл бұрын

This was such a great episode, I laughed sooo much and learned a ton!!!

@danieldoncaster7139 4 жыл бұрын

The social dynamics between the three of you is amazing Can i ask? are you all close friends? Otherwise chuck watch out ,Kate has eyes on your seat😱

@t.nysted4146 4 жыл бұрын

Can I just say: Chuck Nice is a brilliant and insightful man who understands the human condition so very well. He is so far from "just" a comedian.

@mr.k905 4 жыл бұрын

T. Nysted Yeah but he’s just not funny.

@juancarlosvaldes4538 4 жыл бұрын

Besides my love of Astronomy and anything Space related, I enjoy robotics.Great interview!

@tecnina 4 жыл бұрын

The part about the sink had me rolling 🤣

@weshouldhavenukedjapanathi8369 4 жыл бұрын

That's nice and all but when am I getting my robot waifu

@andrewolson5471 3 жыл бұрын

Not soon enough!

@acepilot1 3 жыл бұрын

Put a furbie speech box in a blowup doll, bazinga

@FOH45 4 жыл бұрын

this show was awesome.... didn't see that joke coming. ...."im just saying,.. maybe to you"

@bearsgarage272 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see Neil trying to talk to the robot in stop n shop

@bigfatbaataed 4 жыл бұрын

I really, really enjoyed this video as a white dude who used to program(now retired) I found the sink bias particularly interesting & have to admit I probably would have been guilty of not thinking of testing for other ethnic groups, I agree the solution is to hire more diverse ethnic groups, but, in the short term, this potential bias should be taught in computer courses so that students become aware of this potential problem & they can at least ask the question in the design phase & hopefully avoid future mistakes...

@toby9999 2 жыл бұрын

What's the revenue of being a white dude? I'm a white dude who still program's. Just wondering?

@guadapadinrojas 4 жыл бұрын

Loved her!!! Bring her again please!!!!💜💜💜

@workingguy6666 4 жыл бұрын

Chuck is so great for this show, funny - yes, but also introspective and easily smart enough to hold his own. Kate Darling is hot in both brains and looks - it just had to be stated.

@MrLincoln-us9ni 3 жыл бұрын

I swear the amount of simps commenting on this video is off the charts

@TobyJones69 3 жыл бұрын

Mr.Lincoln2913 and you’re wasting your time by commenting on all their comments and calling them simps. Lol idiot

@c2gsovermind 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent topic and interview! The discussion reminded me of an anime called "Ergo Proxy", which seems to have a similar theme to Westworld (can't say that I had heard about Westworld before this video, and had to look up the plot summary). The only complaint I have is to let your guest have a minute to think when you ask those difficult questions (or prep them ahead of time). I shall look forward to hearing from Mrs. Darling again!

@LuisGonzalez-zc9zf 2 жыл бұрын

Chuck, for. Being a comedian, your questions, and your points blow my mind.

@ayinke1481 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your beautiful, intelligent and wise mother with us - It was an inspirational episode.

@wesleyking2212 4 жыл бұрын

Nerds are the only people on earth still exploding a fist bump lol

@mlijah 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like one could access the world's knowledge by reading the books behind him

@derekwhidden9730 4 жыл бұрын

I wanted to share with you, not sure if you will see/read this, but here goes. First, I love Anthony Daniels, as well as all of the original Star Wars cast, so I thoroughly enjoyed this interview, thankyou for sharing. Second, during your discussion, there was something that really struck a chord with me, when it was mentioned about the Boston Dynamics robot, Spot being abused. I do have feelings for machinery. I used to believe cars have souls. But I have worked on so many, and having worked in manufacturing I can see how shapeless pieces of metal become a construct, and now I know there is not a soul in a machine. But, I still look at these as having lots of human time and skill invested in their construction. Whenever I look at the willfull destruction of something, like an I phone being set on fire or a car being smashed, I look upon it as a waste of that time and resources, and an insult to the people that worked on it. I watch You Tube videos of people that take old toys, some that I played with, and they put a lot of love and care into restoring them, sometimes better than new, and that brings tears of nostalgia to my eyes. You also brought up another point as to the ethics of that action, kicking Spot, and how it could be a precursor to advise/violence in the home. So I bring an expansion of this to the table. How does that compare to playing a video game and shooting characters on the screen? The problem with video games, is that kids play them, and that desensitizes them to violence. Would the abuse of a robot bring a physical aspect to that desensitization? There were so many places for this subject to go and an hour just wasn't enough time. BTW Niel, I'm a big fan, I love your work, and I look up whenever I can.

@Dapperdanny 2 жыл бұрын

To answer Neil's earlier question of "Does C3PO ever imply he is actually a robot?" Yes. He does. Star Wars episode 5. When Luke and Owen go shopping at the Jawa market, Owen asks C3PO "You. I suppose you're programmed for etiquette and protocol?" and C3PO responds "Protocol? Why. It's my primary function sir." and they go back and forth for a bit about his usefulness. It is implied during that dialogue that C3PO is a droid and he asserts his usefulness as a programmed droid with multiple languages under his belt, etc. So yes. He does imply that he is a robot. There are other moments as well of course. If you include episode 1 where you see his body without the plating. You can see all the wires and such sticking out of his body. He also greets Padme and Anakin with "Hello. I am C3PO. Human cyborg..." you get the point.

@Omni-Kriss 4 жыл бұрын

Laughed so hard with chuck when neil said that the twilight zone had an episode about a man on an atmosphere with a breathable atmosphere xD 43:39

@infamoswordz 4 жыл бұрын

Asteroid with a breathable atmosphere*

@kpw84u2 4 жыл бұрын

Chuck Nice asked some excellent questions and provided some outstanding insights on this one... great job!

@JuHraj 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Chuck definitely did some research on this topic.

@mdot2597 4 жыл бұрын

Time to prepare a few bowl hits for this episode 💨💨

@abrahamlinkenssphere4236 4 жыл бұрын

Just a dab'll do ya

@wendell4963 4 жыл бұрын

Another example would be the bonding relationship between Tom Hanks character in the movie "Cast Away" with Wilson the ball

@jessethesandman9419 4 жыл бұрын

Neil and chuck are my go to team. They mesh so well. Also Kate is beautiful and mixes very well with the team.

@Anti-HyperLink 4 жыл бұрын

If they made a movie entire about C3PO, I'd pay twice the price to see it. Don't quote me on that.

@khurmiful 4 жыл бұрын

For a change the guest has a wicked sense of humour just as the hosts, great show.

@aut_zero_0120 4 жыл бұрын

REEAALLY i listened to this Podcast yesterday, :'(

@k3l0gg24 4 жыл бұрын

Hey...that isn't six feet, was this filmed a while back? I really hope so.

@dragonskunkstudio7582 4 жыл бұрын

When C3PO and R2-D2 was on Sesame Street as a kid I was blown away.

@RoderickGraham 4 жыл бұрын

I love this show. For this episode, Chuck is making some of the most interesting comments.

@ernestboston7707 4 жыл бұрын

Who shows up in the third segment? Me, I woke up and this was playing and a minute later you asked the question.

@lespearson562 Жыл бұрын

Great show guys. one of your best

@pauldavid7221 4 жыл бұрын

I am disappointed they missed the robot Gort from "The Day the Earth Stood Still".

@laserduchamp8071 4 жыл бұрын

hi from Scotland: love the show guys, always fun and informative: best combo in the world : )

@Morpheux1 4 жыл бұрын

May the 4th be with all of you... Always!

@1985BELKO 4 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you put name of your actual guest in the title

@olhristov 4 жыл бұрын

Don't interrupt the lady after she starts responding to your question.

@jch8376 4 жыл бұрын

Don't interrupt? Neil's brain does not compute that statement.

@Mandorle21 4 жыл бұрын

s-s-s.... simp?

@ejmtv3 4 жыл бұрын

Kate is having fun. We should see her again!

@Reddotnick 4 жыл бұрын

Chuck sounds more like Jar Jar Binks 😂

@nblmqst1167 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Thank you.

@rcelectronicsllc9400 4 жыл бұрын

Move the Mic stands between Neil and guest and Chuck that way you will be turning turning toward the Mic when talking to each other. Also will be less visible

@sayjinpat4life 4 жыл бұрын

Chuck Nice is very informed on this subject matter.

@charleswendt4868 3 жыл бұрын

I am so impressed with the lady and her attitude.

@vi_terminator 4 жыл бұрын

I am in love with Kate Darling, FTW !!

@TyphoonJohnny 2 жыл бұрын

Oh no I came in on the 3rd segment I must be an animal :(. I'm my defense I fell asleep watching Scishow and woke up to this amazing piece of the internet.

@phyllissanfiorenzful 2 жыл бұрын

I just LOVE that relief globe behind Neil!

@bushwick5313 4 жыл бұрын

I know this episode was meant to focus on C3P0 but I really wish they would have discussed the ethics in other sci fi movies like irobot and chappi... Two great films about artificial intelligence that test the ethics of humanity rather than the machines

@kp1flush 2 жыл бұрын

I wish I could see the full interview.

@junethegreat2537 4 жыл бұрын

The audio is all messed up loud then not

@sevensmith460 4 жыл бұрын

That's because even the internet is tired of this babbling egotistical narcissist's voice.

@jasoncowley4718 4 жыл бұрын

@@sevensmith460 Found the flerfer.

@ViratKohli-jj3wj 4 жыл бұрын

@@sevensmith460 Your name is similar to an Australian Cricketer.

@bltedder 4 жыл бұрын

It's them. They always do this. I have a difficult time listening at work because they always go back and forth between focused whispering and elated shouting.

@frankdesbaux 4 жыл бұрын

They need a sound engineer.

@eanayac 4 жыл бұрын

Wow, Anthony Daniels gave great answers!

@alvilla701 3 жыл бұрын

I never watch long videos, but I make exceptions for Neil

@RLFIII2001 3 жыл бұрын

Chuck is another example of comics being intelligent.

@seantlewis376 4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Darling is a wonderful guest. I look forward to her returning. One topic I would have liked to have seen discussed is an idea proposed in quite a bit of science fiction: the enslavement of sentient AI. Star Trek addressed it directly in a court regarding Lt. Commander Data, Isaac Asimov did it in I, Robot, and in Star Wars, androids and other robots are sentient, feel pain, and are property. This obviously is not technology we have yet, but in terms of AI, it could be something we have to address in the future.

@alexconti7932 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. You should do the Netflix Robots series discussion in a similar setup.

@mitesh8utube 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to meet you, Dr Chuck Droid.

@fellowcitizen 4 жыл бұрын

20:46 Dr. V.S. Ramachandran covers this with research into the NEUROLOGY of ART. You should interview him!

@darrinschultz6918 4 жыл бұрын

Such a fan!

@TreadwellJay 4 жыл бұрын

Is the interview available just on its own?

@gwensimmons_gigi1629 2 жыл бұрын

Neil, thanks for confirming my suspicions of the ‘racist bathroom sinks and automatic lights in bathrooms' ;-) ; great segment, so thank you Kate, Chuck and Neil!

@00ghostcobra 4 жыл бұрын

Chuck Nice is freaking hilarious..

@pratikraut6354 4 жыл бұрын

At last, A New video

@atolliver91 4 жыл бұрын

Great stuff...

@charlesmclain6558 3 жыл бұрын

Love your Dr. Smith fellow Chuck.

@hateeternalmaver 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Neil, shoutout from the Youtoubiverse. 8]

@209206169 4 жыл бұрын

Not 'first' because I'm still watching the video....

@tommyontrip 4 жыл бұрын

May the 4th be with you! Always 🚀🎉🤓

@ggoedert 4 жыл бұрын

Now he can do another book titled: "I Am Not C-3PO" :-D

@theduder2617 4 жыл бұрын

It is rare for a last name to be such a perfect match.

@Chiller0871 4 жыл бұрын

Someone please tell Neil to move his mic a bit closer, had to strain to hear him sometimes.

@ArtPolania87 4 жыл бұрын

Wall-E. 2 wide lenses for a face and sounds and it delivers sooo much emotion.

@erictaylor5462 4 жыл бұрын

46:30 It can even be an inanimate object. Look at the scene when Chuck loses Wilson in Castaway. Wilson is a panted, deflated ball. You could say, Wilson is just a ball, but it's clearly more than that to Chuck.

@909sickle 3 жыл бұрын

They need a Joe Rogan in there to make sure everyone stays the correct distance from the microphone

@randykerchmar5296 2 жыл бұрын

The Star Trek NG episode The Measure of a Man is a nice exploration of this topic.

@viking9211 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting that she’s originally from Switzerland and they’re talking about “Lost in space” which is based on “The Swiss family Robinson” but neither Dr. Tyson nor Chuck Nice makes mention of that!

@kathryntate6809 3 жыл бұрын

My favorite robot to date is C-3PO because he brought the element of being civilized.

@Jay-om8gr 4 жыл бұрын

As i said before, plot twist: Chuck has had a degree in physics this entire time.

@timothymartin6252 4 жыл бұрын

Yea he was on it. He brought some intellectual arsenal with him to that episode. 👍🏿

@lynnlobliner3933 Жыл бұрын

There was a TV show in the 60s (one season) called My Living Doll, and Julie Newmar played a robot. Look for it.

@asiejenski 4 жыл бұрын

The best episode ever.

@choaticblack 4 жыл бұрын

"Need the grass"...."ty son"

@victorbautista707 4 жыл бұрын

is this prerecorded like a month ago?

@rayrison4749 4 жыл бұрын

Y'all need to work on the audio. It's set to high

@tomnowlin9652 2 жыл бұрын

Catching this episode a little late, but lord Nice is coming across a little too smart! Gotta get a less renaissancishly rounded comic. Chuck asking too many smart questions for a “dumb comic”! Get this man an honorary doctorate in science education. Please keep the incredible content flowing star talk team

@ksisu1324 2 жыл бұрын

2001 was a space opera! Pure and simple!!!

@masspence1 4 жыл бұрын

They have robots in some of the veteran's hospitals that move throughout the hospital delivering medicines.

@BUCURPOPA 2 жыл бұрын

Here are my 2cents on the uncanny valley: - IMO it's a vestigial reflex from the time our ancestors were being hunted, as some predators are able to blend almost perfectly in to the environment or in some way shape or form they can mimic their pray's mate. So being able to pickup on those subtle variations between the real deal and a possible predator gives you an advantage, thus the uncanny valley was born!