Steam Deck vs Next-Gen Gaming: Ray Tracing/Flight Simulator/Unreal Engine 5 + More Tested!

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We've tested Steam Deck against PlayStation 4 - and we came away impressed. However, the RDNA 2 GPU within the Deck contains features that last-gen consoles do not. So to what extent is Steam Deck next-gen ready? How does it compare against Xbox Series X in titles like Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition and the super-taxing Microsoft Flight Simulator? What about Unreal Engine 5's staggering Lumen and Nanite technologies? It's all in here - along with Windows 11 vs Steam OS benchmarks.
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00:00 Intro
00:45 Next-Generation Experiences
01:28 Key Features Only Run on Windows - Why?
02:17 Windows On Steam Deck Isn't Great
03:16 Windows vs SteamOS Gaming Benchmarks
07:16 Control with RT Reflections
08:35 Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition with RTGI vs Xbox Series S
14:14 Quake 2 RTX Hardware RT Path Tracing
16:39 Microsoft Flight Simulator vs Xbox Series S
21:21 Nintendo Switch Compromises Are Far Harsher
21:58 Unreal Engine 5: Hitting Steam Deck's Limits
22:59 Steam Deck Next-Gen Features Summary

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@sistockbridge8764 2 жыл бұрын

The ultimate meta would be taking your Steam Deck on a flight and flying that flight in real-time on MS Flight Sim!

@griffgames9538 2 жыл бұрын

The universe might implode.

@DC3Refom 2 жыл бұрын

Mfs next gen ish visuals, last gen physics, flight dynamics and system simulation

@yomamasohot6411 2 жыл бұрын

Now imagine replicating the flight(plane and route) of your journey. Man that will be fun.

@Krisztian5HUN 2 жыл бұрын

Whats meta?

@abelald1310 2 жыл бұрын

@@Krisztian5HUN target?

@sambagogo777 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm still amazed that in the year 2022 the Windows Store is so unforgivably bad." Hear, hear!

@ark_knight 2 жыл бұрын

Biggest takeaway of this video if you ask me

@chillhour6155 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah even trying to login is a joke

@goncaloduarte4683 2 жыл бұрын

And it's tied to windows update, for some reason windows update doesn't work on my PC and because of that the Windows Store doesn't work, had unistall whatsapp desktop and install it for the web 🤦‍♂️

@LogicalError007 2 жыл бұрын

It's very good now.

@SunnyShuklathedoctor 2 жыл бұрын

Its still better than what we had a couple years ago. It was a pure piece of trash.

@Skier6091 2 жыл бұрын

Proton does support ray tracing DXR to vulkan-rt translation. The issue is that AMD has only enabled ray tracing in the closed source amdgpu-pro driver and not the open source driver that steam deck and most linux users use. Development of ray tracing in the open source driver is happening, but it's still in the beta stages

@MyGamingHardcore 2 жыл бұрын

How can you get access to the beta open source driver?

@Skier6091 2 жыл бұрын

@@MyGamingHardcore it's already in the driver as of mesa 21.3 just add launch option: RADV_PERFTEST=rt %command%

@TSL73 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see how capable RT will be on this handheld once this driver is implemented.

@warnacokelat 2 жыл бұрын

@@Skier6091 thanks. will try this later.

@narcoduck 2 жыл бұрын

@@MyGamingHardcore In the worst case you compile the code yourself haha

@dan_loeb 2 жыл бұрын

For flight sim, you should try predownloading the routes asset data. On midrange gaming hardware it makes a huge difference in performance.

@turrican4d599 2 жыл бұрын

How?

@dan_loeb 2 жыл бұрын

@@turrican4d599 options -> general -> data -> manual cache

@GS-hv9rd 2 жыл бұрын

@@dan_loeb does flight sim have a dynamic LoD option for scenes (Tokyo, example) that require great amounts of VRAM? (3080 10GB)

@dan_loeb 2 жыл бұрын

@@GS-hv9rd i believe so? it's all highly configurable though.

@rdablock 2 жыл бұрын

or just fly in non-photogrammetry areas

@Kevin_2435 2 жыл бұрын

This device has demonstrated to me that Valve is on to something here. I think we have all grown up playing our handheld devices and wished for a more robust, full featured PC or console-like experience. The tech just hadn't sufficiently advanced to the point that this level of execution could be achieved. The PlayStation Portable and Vita were flashes in the pan of this kind of thing but we're quickly abandoned. Hopefully, with the staggering number of preorders and with Valve rethinking its priorities because the most expensive version of the SteamDeck was the most pre-ordered which was not what they expected, with those things as indicators, I hope this thing ends up in many, many hands and gets some legs and attention to keep developing this beyond its initial stages.

@rilufuzz 2 жыл бұрын

With how quickly mobile hardware is advancing, the next generation Steam Deck will be one to look out for no doubt about that!

@darthwiizius 2 жыл бұрын

The Switch showed we are coming to a point where ever more we need less and less high ampage to run 3D games. 5 years on and we are seeing that more starkly and when devices start coming with the 6000 series Zen 3+/RDNA2 APUs we'll see another uplift with over double the CPU bandwidth and 50% more GPU output than the Deck.

@anusmcgee4150 2 жыл бұрын

@@rilufuzz Yeah, I’m gonna stick it out and wait for a second generation model. Even though it freaking HURTS

@Kevin_2435 2 жыл бұрын

@@rilufuzz Everyone says "wait for the 2nd or third version before buying." The problem is that if there weren't enough people pre-ordering and buying the first version, Valve would never devote the time or money in a second iteration. I felt that even if the first version wasn't exactly what everyone wanted, it was important that I purchase it so that Valve could see how important the idea is to me. Thankfully, it seems a lot of people agreed with me and sales numbers and media coverage on this thing have been amazing.

@Jigsaw2383 2 жыл бұрын

It could happen again, as soon Nintendo releases a new switch, people will buy that just like DS did back when the psp launched. Me personally I always preferred the psp.

@thingsiplay 2 жыл бұрын

Running Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition on the Steam Deck is amazing. The game was never designed to be played on a handheld device, unlike specific ports are done on the Nintendo Switch.

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

It's blowing my mind how well it runs.

@killermoon635 2 жыл бұрын

Drops below 30fps in some areas despite running 504p and medium setting. I don't see how this is amazing. Control and quake 2 runs even worse.

@thingsiplay 2 жыл бұрын

@@killermoon635 You don't see the full picture and don't understand the context. This is a remarkable achievement for a handheld PC at this price range of games that was never designed to run or optimized for. Do you even know what Ray Tracing is? Do you know that this is full blown PC hardware with additional advanced technologies in handheld format? I could go on and on and try to explain why this is amazing. But you watched the video which does a better job than me and still don't get it. So it is waste of time.

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

@@thingsiplay Don't bother with this guy. He does not understand technology at all and is very out of place on a technology focused channel like DF.

@yomamasohot6411 2 жыл бұрын

@@killermoon635 It's 504p on a 720p display with TAA upscaling. It's great!

@devynmapes 2 жыл бұрын

It's important to note that while DXR doesn't work on Linux atm, Vulkan-based RT does. You should be able to load up Quake RTX on Steam OS just fine.

@damianabregba7476 2 жыл бұрын

It didn't work for me

@startedtech 2 жыл бұрын

@@blitzwing1 thanks for the tip, can confirm it works. It runs even worse than on Windows though lol, no settings bring it to a playable level.

@TehObLiVioUs 2 жыл бұрын

with that logic then doom eternal should work too which he said didn't as i've seen with the other comments it's the open source drivers on linux that don't fully have it yet

@nunyobiznez875 2 жыл бұрын

DXR works fine on Linux, you just need to use VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr %command% in the launch options to expose it. Some games may require additional options as well, refer to protondb for details for a specific game. Both Control and Metro Exodus: Enhanced Edition shown in this video are DXR.

@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 2 жыл бұрын

@@nunyobiznez875 yes but running on Windows. Right now RT on Linux is mostly an NVidia thing unless you use the proprietary AMD drivers.

@Schizm1 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love for Steam Deck to be avilable at shops like "normal" consoles. Till then it's gonna be more or less a niche product.

@ActNasty5 2 жыл бұрын

Normal consoles aren’t available like that these days either though 🤣

@AzaiaMonota 2 жыл бұрын

@@ActNasty5 You can find Switch very easily in stores and even Series S isn't too had to find and if you go down to Mexico you can even find Series X and PS5 on store shelves

@SideshowBob44 2 жыл бұрын

You need more technical knowledge to use a SD properly though, Imagine explaining to someone that's its a console that runs PC games and has Linux, some games work and some don't etc

@Schizm1 2 жыл бұрын

@@ActNasty5 True, but you know what I mean.

@greengamerguy623 2 жыл бұрын

agreed but tbf I don't go to stores anymore to many crazies wearing masks

@pronstorestiffi 2 жыл бұрын

Seriously still very impressive from both a power envelope standpoint but also just the performance packed in this small form factor.

@DubElementMusic 2 жыл бұрын

yea, i would not buy it because i dont like to play on a handheald, but the device it very impressive. if i could run a n64, ps1 and gamecube emulatir, maybe i would buy it ✌️ after the price drops.

@EDUB9X3 2 жыл бұрын

@@DubElementMusic Steam has retroarch with all those emulator's built in.

@mosthated8848 2 жыл бұрын

@@DubElementMusic Dude I'm playing switch games on this thing. Just today brand new release on switch 13 Sentinels already got it running on my deck boy smooth as butter.

@kandrs7445 2 жыл бұрын

@@DubElementMusic This doesn't strike me as price dropping. This is probably going to be more like a phone market thing. Consistently at this price until SD Mark II comes out. We don't know if gamestop will even buy them, so you're probably going to have to rely on the second hand market. The value index released in 2019 to the tune of $999 for the controllers, motion sensors base, and the headset. Near four complete years later, it's still $999 for the set.

@theninjamaster67 2 жыл бұрын

@@DubElementMusic Bruh this thing can do Switch and PS3 emulation it can more than handle any older game console emulation you throw at it.

@richardtucker5938 2 жыл бұрын

Rich, your style of video and the fact they don't come too often, makes them highly anticipated and super fun to watch. Thanks man! Path traced quake 2 :))))))))))))))

@JFinns 2 жыл бұрын

It's AMD hardware, I wouldn't expect impressive of ray tracing without Nvidia for RTX and DLSS. Maybe Doom RT at least.

@richardtucker5938 2 жыл бұрын

@@JFinns Hey i have a 3080 and play quake 2 rtx on it, i still appreciate looking at stuff like this. He demonstrated it, and it ran on a handheld in some form, that is fun to see.

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

This is absolutely crazy, HW-RT running like this on a handheld console. Blew my expectations away. Thank you so much for testing this, from a technological standpoint, DF always delivers the most interesting scenarios.

@killermoon635 2 жыл бұрын

YOu can always run RT when you run at very low resolution and medium setting. Noting special

@teddyholiday8038 2 жыл бұрын

It’s absolutely terrible quality and enjoy running your Steam Deck for 10 minutes before battery runs out

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

@@teddyholiday8038 Don't be such a downer. On the handheld screen it looks very good.

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

@@killermoon635 It's a handheld. It's a super impressive feat. It looks extremly good on this tiny screen. Why are so many anti-technology people here on this channel? People like you do not fit the channel at all.

@teddyholiday8038 2 жыл бұрын

@@dampflokfreund you need a safe space?

@romulino 2 жыл бұрын

I'm in a state of mind where when I see a video with Richard, it's like I need to make sure I showered and am wearing proper good clothes. Like, this guy deserves all the respect in the world. Thank you for everything you gave us over the years.

@alexsilva28 2 жыл бұрын

My wife's funeral (pyjamas) vs Richard Ledbetter's DF video (tuxedo)

@AllahDoesNotExist 2 жыл бұрын

Simp lmao

@megacurlerer 2 жыл бұрын

You're too emotional. Get a hold of yourself.

@GonzalezJio 2 жыл бұрын

R.I.P.

@Hobbles_ 2 жыл бұрын

So glad to see more testing on the Steam Deck! While mine is still a while out, I love knowing what I can expect

@joho5647 2 жыл бұрын

Let me guess your after Q3.

@mtf_savage_beasts2565 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's better than what I expected

@Aribbonofsoundmen 2 жыл бұрын

will you get yours by the end of the year?

@joho5647 2 жыл бұрын

@@Aribbonofsoundmen Idk Really, I heard that valve is sending more emails every week, so its unknown to say the least.

@damien2777 2 жыл бұрын

So let me tell u, it's a switch but pc game. Play only on low setting with résolution in 480p max. Or it gonna explose.

@mar2ck_ 2 жыл бұрын

Ghostrunner's ray tracing works fine when running under SteamOS. So ray tracing support is there but it doesn't work with all games for some reason (maybe DXR vs VulkanRT support)

@hueypautonoman 2 жыл бұрын

I know I've gotten it working on my Linux desktop, but can you confirm that the Steam Deck drivers actually support it? Just curious.

@theethicsofliberty4642 2 жыл бұрын

🤔🤔🤔 ... It would be amazing if AMD provide us with really good Drivers for Windows and Linux ... !!!

@219SilverChoc 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, is it using the ray tracing hardware in RDNA2 or is it doing it via software?

@heldscissors4132 2 жыл бұрын

@@219SilverChoc i believe via rdna 2

@Roruoni 2 жыл бұрын

This is my layman's understanding: The RADV driver's raytracing implementation is still missing some raytracing extensions and support is still being worked on. Support for KHR_ray_query is coming in the next release of mesa 22.1 - for now it is experimental and can be enabled with the "RADV_PERFTEST=rt" environment variable. This extension is needed for many games with RT. I am not sure if the version used in Steam Deck's SteamOS has this extension available yet. There are also improvements to performance being worked on in conjunction with this - such as: the "LBVH!" patch set. It showed a market improvement to RT performance in games not already optimized for their BVH construction/traversal (i.e. games with tons of objects bouncing rays around that are not ordered into convenient arrangements to avoid deep construction or traversal of the bounding volumes.)

@anthonyyoung3016 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, really enjoyed it, well worth the time and work you put into it. 👍🏻

@SKHYJINX 2 жыл бұрын

Was curious about heavy testing :) Thanks Digital Foundry

@GamingEthos 2 жыл бұрын

This is insane. Fantastic coverage

@Vsevolod3788 2 жыл бұрын

2:49 RTSS Scanline Sync feature allows for perfectly frame paced half refresh rate gaming. I use x/2 mode with -1 value, turn on vsync in game and its perfectly smooth 30fps even without input lag!

@219SilverChoc 2 жыл бұрын

Oh shit, I definitely need to update my copy of RTSS.

@Vsevolod3788 2 жыл бұрын

@@219SilverChoc Exactly! I just discovered this feature recently and it's being a life saver! Finally we have smooth console like 30fps (36fps in my case because my monitor is 72hz).

@masoodreyhani4769 2 жыл бұрын

This is the kind of professional analysis we expect from DF that is simply not there on other channels. Great video!

@niros9667 2 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna get in the queue for one of these, looks awesome!

@milorobson1100 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of the efficiency of proton comes from the fact that all the calls to the directx rendering pipeline are translated to vulkan. Proton + vulkan ends up being quicker than directx even on Linux desktop machines. I think directx may just be a good bit slower than vulkan.

@JaimeIsJaime 2 жыл бұрын

directx really needs to improve. It is very likely the reason why PS5 performs so well in comparison to series X even outperforming it in a lot of titles. I don't think series X has hardware bottlenecks like some people claim, but directx 12 might actually be one and microsoft should really take care of this.

@sergeysiminyuk 2 жыл бұрын

This isn't the case consistently. There are cases where proton is significantly slower, less stable, etc. A translation layer will always be worse than native, but sometimes linux with less bloat will run a few better even with proton. Valve needs to up their driver game, the Deck can be faster still with better drivers for sure.

@bltzcstrnx 2 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video? It's highly dependent on the implementation.

@StooMonster 2 жыл бұрын

Another great DF video, thanks for looking at ray-tracing features … wonder if Valve are going to add this to their Proton layer, so that one doesn't have to run Windows on Steam Deck. I finally got my Steam Deck email on Monday - after being Q4-21, Q1-22 and then Q2-22 - so I'm pretty excited to be receiving Steam Deck imminently (fingers crossed for Easter long-weekend). I've found the Digital Foundry videos about Steam Deck to be both interesting and informative. Hoping for more now that Alex also has a Steam Deck, keep up the great work guys!

@flograuper9294 2 жыл бұрын

Valve has been working on that for quite a while now. The main blocker was that the raytracing extension for Vulkan only got finalized very recently. Now drivers and DXVK (the component of proton that translates directx to Vulkan) have to implement it. It’s really only a matter of time though.

@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 2 жыл бұрын

@@flograuper9294 RT and DLSS has worked on Linux via Vulkan for NVidia cards for a while. Around about November time last year it was added to Proton for NVidia H/W. I think major issue with AMD is that the OSS drivers are lagging on RT. I think it's running now, just very slowly or variably. If you want RT on Linux with an AMD card at the moment you have to use the AMD proprietary drivers which lose out on all the other advantages that the OSS drivers have had added to them via Valves efforts for the Deck.

@tom3fitzgerald 2 жыл бұрын

4:11 "there and then" ah a new twist on the "here and now" *takes sip*

@slot9 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video! Love the optimistic take!

@jkrhu 2 жыл бұрын

The perf differences per game on Deck may be due to implementation differences in Proton. As DX9-11 games utilize DXVK, and DX12 uses VKD3D, which isn't as mature as DXVK. When it comes to the Unreal Engine 5, I really hope you've built and packaged the projects on Windows, and didn't run them in the Editor. As there will be a huge difference in performance. If you're interested, you could also compile the engine on Linux (or use a pre-built binary) and package a native Vulkan version of these projects. I can confirm that both the Valley and City samples work flawlessly on Linux. I could offer some help in that regard if you want or send you packaged projects to run on the Deck. Could be a nice comparison between OSes, RHIs etc. If you want to do it right.

@TorstenSimon 2 жыл бұрын

The deck really blew my mind so far throwing modern games at it, it's pushing more GPU power than any other mobile device I've seen so far while consuming only 15w. I really hope rt will come to steam OS soon. Looking forward to more of such videos :-)

@killermoon635 2 жыл бұрын

None of the other mobile devices are using 15w CPU/GPU. It is too high for mobiles devices

@TorstenSimon 2 жыл бұрын

@@killermoon635 next to my deck I also have a gpd win max which I configured to run at up to 28w, so there are devices out there but they don't hit the same gpu performance.

@kickconnection83 2 жыл бұрын

@@TorstenSimon Huh, I have a Win3 and configured in BIOS for higher TDP - but only to 25W. How did you get 28?

@TorstenSimon 2 жыл бұрын

@@kickconnection83 I could configure it on the max to that limit in the bios, in fact even higher, but it will eventually throttle. I replaced the thermal paste with the thermal grizzly though

@kickconnection83 2 жыл бұрын

@@TorstenSimon yeah, I keep an eye on the temps. During gaming it's around high 60's - low 70's which is fine for a mobile chip. I love it so far - handles most tasks I need and decent gaming with realistic expectations :)

@AaronHuffmanPerson 2 жыл бұрын

That's for putting this video up, I'm excited to try some shaders on minecraft when my steam deck comes in soon!

@charoleawood 2 жыл бұрын

24:16 Airquotes for "drop", I love it

@denisruskin348 2 жыл бұрын

The Deck is mindblowing, the value proposition is one of the best I've ever seen in the tech industry. Would love to get one if they actually shipped here :(

@denisruskin348 2 жыл бұрын

@Turkey Jeff different products, not comparable. One you can use anywhere in the world, needs to account for a balance between HW and battery, the PS5 doesn’t. The PS5 has no display and you can get a Steam Deck for 400$, not 600$. A cheap SD and speeds seem really good from tests. Not to mention PS5 has paid online, much closed ecosystem, it’s not a PC where you can put Windows, games cost more, games don’t carry over to your PC free of charge and so on, but again, you are not comparing products in the same category. Also, I would love to see a PS5 for the price you mentioned. New don’t dip under 800€ here.

@camilofuentes7056 2 жыл бұрын

@Turkey Jeff comparing it to a different product kinda misses the point, even comparing it to a nintendo swirch wouldn't make sense, different price ranges, specs, games, etc. the closest thing would be an aya neo or a gpd win and those go for even 1500usd... so a good value for the steam deck

@obidahasdia4095 Жыл бұрын

got one + ps5 series x ps3 360 too

@cheese_crab 2 жыл бұрын

Would've really like to see the Elden Ring Windows vs. Elden Ring SteamOS since Valve had ~bespoke~ optimizations there. Even so, this was a really cool video. More excited for my reservation to be called now :)

@boondock6055 Жыл бұрын

Well done vid!

@techrx888 2 жыл бұрын

Great content as usual, i have a preorder, but sheesh i'm so busy with life, might just wait for the 2nd or 3rd version

@gonschor7dleven 2 жыл бұрын

Steam Deck is the solution to gaming with a busy life-micro doses of gaming when you can do it!

@omgawesomeomg 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not really getting the Deck for triple A games but it's nice to know that it can run them rather well.

@RecessRescue Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I appreciate all these reviews pushing triple a games through it, meanwhile I'm gonna be playing rpgs, smaller and older action games, and indie games xD

@pingus9934 Жыл бұрын

Tbh if I was to get a triple A game on the deck it would be gta 6 and that's IF the steam deck can even run it lmao

@m__y-t-s Жыл бұрын

haha vampire survivors go brrrr

@GothicDragonX 2 жыл бұрын

The steam deck is quite impressive. Though, my primary use is supplementary while not being on my PC. Most often I will be running on low to medium settings unless it is an old game around 2012 or older. The fact that it can handle full PC titles on a handheld form factor is amazing, especially given the price point.

@devilmaycry383 2 жыл бұрын

My Steam Deck should be ready soon as the Q2 timeframe is from April - June I'm really looking forward to it.

@warhammer2162 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Rich, the quality is 2nd to none. Not that I have a high end VR headset though curious if the Steam Deck capable of running one?

@charlestrudel8308 2 жыл бұрын

it can in wndows mode, probably as well as the ps4.

@nakedexposure964 2 жыл бұрын

Yes another Steam Deck DF video, was hoping the launch and elden ring ones weren't all we were getting - thank you DF!

@thingsiplay 2 жыл бұрын

More Deck covered by DF is always welcome. 🙂

@ChristopherToro 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoying the hell out of my Steam Deck, just emulated Soul Calibur 4 on it and my mind is blown away. I can't believe this device is so good.

@otacon5648 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a July-September slot. I cannot wait!

@johnodaz1273 2 жыл бұрын

Quality stuff DF. Really great work here and the Steam Deck is looking like abit of a Handheld Gaming Beast. The Steam Deck is almost like a Preview of what a Switch 2.0 could do and possibly even better maybe.

@longjohn526 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty good for a 1st generation device ..... I can't wait to see what the 2nd generation looks like in a couple of years where we should see gains in both performance and efficiency (battery life) ..... Actually I want to get one for a non-gaming scenario, to replace my aging Toughpad in my boat that I use in conjunction with my depthfinder as a chart plotter/map maker for fishing. The nice thing is it's portability meaning I can hold it in my hand as I use the trolling motor on the front of the boat mirroring my depth finder screen to zero in on fish and structure ...... However I really need Windows to do that although simple mirroring of the finder can be done on Linux but some of my mapmaking software is Windows only

@joesmoe5326 2 жыл бұрын

Lets be honest. The Deck should officially be classed as a 9th generation handheld and the Switch as a last gen. Doesn't matter if it's technically a "PC." So was the commodore 64. It's specialized enough to count as a console, has a custom chip, and a competitive price.

@KarimTemple 2 жыл бұрын

A console isn't really a console just because its parts are or aren't off-the-shelf. It's only made to play PC games, so it's not a console.

@deepfakestudio7776 2 жыл бұрын

@@KarimTemple but it can play console games like Switch Games emulated and better performance than Switch

@KarimTemple 2 жыл бұрын

@@deepfakestudio7776 the emulator is a PC app.

@TheJackiMonster 2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone made a video about this. I was asking under reviews for weeks why nobody was testing the full hardware capabilities. Technically you also can enable the RT features in SteamOS using special flags so that RADV allows you to use them but they are not really optimized yet. However there are driver updates coming already for Mesa so that we will see a significant uplift. I'm actually hyped again seeing this video to finally get my device for development. I definitely want to try out what's possible on the Deck. My assumption is that RT shadows are no issue at all since you can even use RT extensions with Mesa on GPUs which don't even have hardware acceleration for it and I had no problems using them for AO on a RX 5700 in 1440p. So I would say that's something to look forward to (Shadow of the Tomb Raider for example shouldn't be an issue with RT shadows once RADV is optimized). The fact that GI is already no huge issue in Metro Exodus on Windows makes me really optimistic. I would really like to see RT reflections in a big game running smooth. You will probably need some upscaling for this but given that FSR 1.0 is available at the press of a button and FSR 2.0 should get available as source code from AMD with a Vulkan example code to implement it... I guess that will happen eventually.

@fvkijay 2 жыл бұрын

I can't wait to try out its streaming from a local rig. You get all of the performance and battery benefits.

@emma6648 2 жыл бұрын

This makes me excited for the future of handheld devices, maybe they could make a Steamdeck Pro which is a bit more expensive but has higher performance one day

@PixelShade 2 жыл бұрын

I think they have done everything they can with the currently available tech. It's not really that more money equals better performance. Rather "how much performance can you fit into a handheld form factor of 5-15W". This will always be less powerful in comparison to a 200W+ consoles or 300W+ PCs. Yet the Steam Deck actually comes really close in terms of games and playability. In Cyberpunk (which is one of the hardest games to run) I have consistent 30fps experience with great settings, running at 8W... (mostly medium/high) This results in 3h20minutes of playtime. at 15W I can get even better quality but in return I only get 1h40minutes of battery life. In the end, there is a physical boundaries of how much performance you can stuff into a handheld device and still retain decent battery life. what the Steam Deck is currently doing is pretty much a miracle.

@NL0Gwenster 2 жыл бұрын

More performance isn't a problem. I'm sure the APU could do more if it wasn't capped to 15 watts for example. But your battery life would be like 1 hour. As it's already 2 hours if you use it at max performance. As is the current steam deck ( I've got one since 2 days) is extremely large, and Valve said they stuffed as much battery as they possibly could. So really we need better battery tech for more power enhancements in our hardware

@theantsaretakingover 2 жыл бұрын

I just hope they bring more development to building larger and denser batteries first, I bet if they had their own bespoke batteries just like their van gough chip, they could get almost double the battery life. Unfortunately, batteries like that are incredibly expensive, so we’ll just have to wait.

@protocetid 2 жыл бұрын

x86 Steam Phone please

@alexsilva28 2 жыл бұрын

@@PixelShade At the same time, if Valve had NASA's budget and making a financially viable consumer product wasn't a concern, I'm sure they could create a monstrous Deck prototype that far surpasses the actual Deck

@andrewc31394 2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious about how games stored on the SD card will operate once next-gen games start coming out that require the faster storage of newer consoles.

@charlestrudel8308 2 жыл бұрын

well, thats why you get the 128 gb model that has a SSD. you can then have two games installed that need the ssd and the rest on the sd card.

@evdestroy5304 2 жыл бұрын

@@charlestrudel8308 There is no 128gb model.

@charlestrudel8308 2 жыл бұрын

@@evdestroy5304 yup, right, 256gb, so more like 4 games to 6.

@Mistraker Жыл бұрын

You can run Flight Simulator under Proton GE without any problems. But I have issues with the controls not working properly sometimes.

@Spencerwalker21 Жыл бұрын

I thought it was broken by anti cheats am I mistaken

@Spencerwalker21 Жыл бұрын

Hrothgar does it work better now please 🥺 I need you can't find much info about it online

@ReneHoffmann194 2 жыл бұрын

awesome new content again. finally we can compare how performant linux is vs windows on this device.

@ryanpartlow2961 2 жыл бұрын

Because of Game Pass and all my Xbox games, I ended up just getting a Series S and an UPSpec travel screen. It's been a pretty sweet combo.

@justinthematrix 2 жыл бұрын

I have a series S in the box still I was gonna go with one of those screens but the price was a bit too high for me

@ryanpartlow2961 2 жыл бұрын

@@justinthematrix I hear you, but for me I got the S on sale for $250, so another $250 for the screen. $500 for a device to play all my games on the road seemed reasonable.

@ZaffsProductions 2 жыл бұрын

Just amazing to see that the Steam Deck is capable of this. Sure, the battery life will take a huge hit, but this makes it harder for me to wait for my 'After Q3 2022' reservation! 😭

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yes. This is exactly what I wanted to see!

@chanpagne_supernova 2 жыл бұрын

Hearing Richard say Ralve's steam deck is exactly what I needed this morning 🙂

@BeckerFlag 2 жыл бұрын

Still would love to see what a new dedicated Sony Vita/PSP custom system with native games could pull off.

@the8thark 2 жыл бұрын

That would only work if there would be unique portable experiences. Games on the portable that are not on the PS4/PS5. The Vita did not have enough such unique experiences as a comparison. Actually it is this and not how powerful the hardware is that will determine if it would hypothetically succeed or flop.

@MaryMeKo 2 жыл бұрын

This handheld gives everything a run for its money

@coryv5679 2 жыл бұрын

With some tweaks you can hot swap sd cards for Windows. You can also dual boot with Windows and Steam OS which makes it more easy to hot swap.

@BOYSSSSS 2 жыл бұрын

The RADV driver's ray tracing code hasn't matured yet but you can test it with "VKD3D_CONFIG=dxr RADV_PERFTEST=rt %command%" Launch Options on Control.

@demonhighwayman9403 2 жыл бұрын

Would you guys at DF add steam deck results to your game testing pretty please ?

@Cheesesalad 2 жыл бұрын

Bump this!

@Cheesesalad 2 жыл бұрын

Yes please! Great idea.

@SinghCapital 2 жыл бұрын

I love Valve. They are a blessing to the industry during these dark times.

@guest21984 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Havent Valve recently employed a team to work specifically on Linux GPU drivers for the Deck? Steam Deck is on sale now for up to 20% off, as it the dock. I bought a dock a few mins ago It's crazy I can play Windows XP games with Proton compatibility that don't even work on Windows 7, 10 or 11! Good old WINE / Proton translating Linux syscalls into Windows syscalls. Valve also actively fix things based on feedback. Half tempted to install SteamOS on my desktop PC

@postbodegt 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Really curious how Mario64RT would run on the Deck. Seems like the perfect device for it.

@Vi0lad0r 2 жыл бұрын

Off-topic: what a joy the style of Mr. Leadbetter. Don't get me wrong, the whole DF crew is fantastic but Richard is on another level. No epic music, no epic scene footage, no documentary-like long unnecessary format but rather direct-to-the-point content with crystal-clear explanation of the methodology followed by the benchmarks, conclusion and prospects. Near scientific precision. Absolutely fantastic. We need more videos from him.

@Taijifufu 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible stuff. I wonder if this is the first handheld to even do real time ray tracing.

@johnclark926 2 жыл бұрын

Holy crap, I think you’re right. It seems crazy that Valve would make the first handheld capable of real time ray tracing and proceed to not capitalize on it in the marketing, regardless of the amount of asterisks you need to know to get it to work.

@LinxOnlineGames 2 жыл бұрын

As far as I know Mesa 21.3 introduced Ray-Tracing support. It's not enabled by default (performance improvements still needed) so will need to be enabled in the correct config.

@ShenBingran 2 жыл бұрын

Got my steam deck the same time this video came out, super excited.

@Allyouknow5820 2 жыл бұрын

Also great vindication for us all saying that Series S can do absolutely awesome stuff, just needs more dev time and be tackled on well by devs

@isaiah1516 2 жыл бұрын

I freaking love my Steam Deck! I play it on a daily basis and now I can play my Steam library while on the couch next to my wife. Well worth the money!

@ReneHoffmann194 2 жыл бұрын

really impressive. even if i don't plan to buy a steam deck of the first gen I'm really interested in a future version with more performance and improvements (battery live)

@BIGwillTHEGAME 2 жыл бұрын

I’m looking forward to receiving mine soon.

@Vartazian360 2 жыл бұрын

Unreal engine 5 will probably add portability options for steam deck. I dont see why they wouldn't except their own epic store. Other than that its incredible what this thing can do. Cannot wait to get mine

@mosthated8848 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe 2nd gen offering. Either way the deck boy is fantastic love mine even tho I dislike Linux. Windows makes it so much easier to do certain things like sailing the high seas.

@_TheElMan 2 жыл бұрын

I want Steam OS on my laptop and stable. The framecap would be handy for battery. Sod W11.

@imgladnotu9527 2 жыл бұрын

@@mosthated8848 piracy on linux is almost the same as it is on windows though? youre just limited by wine and proton's program compatability.

@thanksbetotap 2 жыл бұрын

Epic isn’t supporting Valve and Steam Deck.

@Vartazian360 2 жыл бұрын

@@thanksbetotap Not yet.

@jamesgames4553 2 жыл бұрын

When Ryzen 6800U launches on laptops this summer I hope we get a look at Radeon 680U as well - same GPU as Steam Deck but with higher clocks, 6nm process, a more modern CPU and more CUs. Wonder if they’ll be enough to improve performance on stuff like UE5. And I’m sure the drivers will be much better!

@demistr7435 2 жыл бұрын

we already have 6800h with the same igpu.

@killacure 2 жыл бұрын

18:09 those steam deck clouds tho 😆

@TheNerd 2 жыл бұрын

Can we all take a moment and appreciate the fact that we can play Games with Pathtracing on a Handheld? I grew up playing on the first Gameboy and the NES and this is mind blowing. I can not wait until energy efficiency gets better and all of this gets actually somewhat playable in a couple years. If Intel and Nvidia let the industry do that instead of demanding some crazy wattages, that is.

@leonthesleepy 2 жыл бұрын

The REAL steam deck video we have all been waiting for

@dampflokfreund 2 жыл бұрын

Yup. This video has the bespoke DF magic. The first video was good too as well, but it was covering a lot of stuff that has already been covered by other tech reviewers. This however is entirely unique.

@RockyRacoon5 2 жыл бұрын

Expect no less from Digital Foundry :)

@electronicinfection 2 жыл бұрын

AMD and Valve did a fantastic Job so far.

@btarg1 2 жыл бұрын

Will SteamOS start getting more gaming optimisations like Linux Game Mode? it would be neat to see

@JMartinni 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure why under Windows RTSS can't give you a consistent framepacing with Vsync enabled. Setting the limiter to async, front edge or back edge sync should be able to cap the framerate at whatever you set it to as consistent as gamescope or better as any game could and eventual use of the scanline sync would help if you do get tearing. Only works of course if the performance could exceed the set limit at all times.

@VariantAEC 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't have problems with RTSS framerate limiter aside from it sometimes coming loose and not limiting framerate at all. Other than that when it works it works well.

@90lancaster 2 жыл бұрын

Stick some of these internals in a laptop and you'd get some pretty great battery life compared to many other machines.

@stelgeo 2 жыл бұрын

My wife has a laptop with a R7 5700U and the battery life is 17 hours.

@VariantAEC 2 жыл бұрын

Sure but gaming performance would be s••• and it would still be far less efficient when doing productivity apps like word processors, video players or even internet browsing apps. Trade-offs everywhere.

@90lancaster 2 жыл бұрын

I can just think of some use cases - not many most of those you wouldn't need gaming architecture for - but it's such a low power draw & it certainly cheaper than some chipsets - so yeah I can see a use.

@VariantAEC 2 жыл бұрын

@@90lancaster If not for gaming, then why not just go with ARM chipsets?

@joeblack7262 2 жыл бұрын

@@stelgeo while gaming at native and max gfx it can handle?

@peterGchaves 2 жыл бұрын

The kind of performance I wish for the eventual Switch successor. If only Nintendo could get this ambitious...

@chilenozo 2 жыл бұрын

Until costumers punish them 2 gens in a row that ain't happening. A resilient 100 yr old company who always focused at commonly available cheap tech selling while pricing it for profit has a long way to go being stubborn. They still have loads of cash on reserve to withstand one bad generation just to follow up with a success later with cheap tech but "different". At this point we can only blame the army of costumers who buys them. That or you and I have to realize that our standards are not the same as the normies out there...to each their own thou.

@peterGchaves 2 жыл бұрын

@@chilenozo so true, I absolutely agree with all you said. Nintendo just cares (in most of gens) about their consoles being accessible and priced at a range that enables huge profit for them, so their systems are always very weak hardware wise compared to Sony's and Microsoft's. Damn, even PS3 and Xbox 360 are superior to Switch in many aspects.

@JustinThompson 2 жыл бұрын

With certain games I play not supporting Steam OS I'll be really pleased to hear about Dual Booting Options happening. I've probably still got months until I get a Steam deck for better or worse.

@killerapp201 Жыл бұрын

Evil Within looks incredible on Steam Deck with these settings: Brightness-75 Screen grain-100 Full-screen w/letterbox disabled Resolution-1280×720 Framelock-60 fps w/v sync Anti alias-msaa Motion blur-enabled Ssao-enabled Reflections-enabled Hardware capped at 30 fps and FSR with sharpen #5 Enjoy!

@Spencerwalker21 Жыл бұрын

isn't fsr 5 really garbage looking most people told me to only go to 3.

@killerapp201 Жыл бұрын

@@Spencerwalker21 This game doesn't look great maxed out on a 3090 because of the anti-aliasing. They're right for most games but this one seemed to benefit from the sharpening.

@matthewhardwick8208 2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to hold off on this 1st gen of Steam Deck. Valve will more than likely need time to implement better tech and a complete set of features to improve the overall experience. But it's definitely worth keeping an eye on for sure.

@NonsensicalSpudz 2 жыл бұрын

you gonna be waiting a while then

@NonsensicalSpudz 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeuk666 consoles doesn't it get more battery than a switch in a lot of case, also were talking about a system that plays PC games, it is essentially a PC, also it comes down to the games your playing, how demanding how new they're etc. like are some light titles people were getting closer to 6 hours, whereas lets say doom eternal is closer to 2-3 depending on settings etc.

@thetower8553 2 жыл бұрын

Okay, someone please tell me why flight sim needs anticheat

@mauryj.3415 2 жыл бұрын

Dude you can run flight simulator on this? Wow did not expect that, that's amazing.

@machintrucGaming 2 жыл бұрын

And it would run even better if there wasn't that pesky windows running in the background

@randomdudewithdog 2 жыл бұрын

Can y’all please do a video on the performance of the Skywalker Saga on the switch? Would be much appreciated

@YT-CesarB 2 жыл бұрын

I’m waiting for the OLED version

@YT-CesarB 2 жыл бұрын

@CJ P. I’m fine with that

@rickmcintosh3570 2 жыл бұрын

It must be noted that the Windows drivers are dated December 2021 vs more recent Steam OS drivers, but as you stated it is what it is. Users now have to choose between access to all their games vs convenience.

@derptyderp5287 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really looking forward to "after q3."

@Viscel2al 2 жыл бұрын

If you have the time, maybe an anysis on the RDNA 2 GPU inside the Exynos 2200? Apparently it's using a similar GPU to the Steam Deck.

@MoonSarito 2 жыл бұрын

For a $399 handheld, the Steam Deck is really impressive, just need a little more polish and marketing to be a huge sucess.

@piyh3962 2 жыл бұрын

They need stock before they increase demand with marketing

@daltonsherrod1573 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not even sure why the Windows Store exists still

@ItsAkile 2 жыл бұрын

In the handheld market we take blurry, pretty great. I'm impressed with the Quake results

@nuclearmonster 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been a windows emulation on Linux skeptic for 20 years now, but one of the things I’ve always wondered about with benchmarking it versus native Windows gaming is: what happens when rendering features are dropped on the floor? We might not notice visually and if the benchmark is still effected does it matter? I think it does, but I’m also no 3D rendering expert.

@SoldierXXL Жыл бұрын

Technically WINE/Proton on linux are NOT emulators though

@nuclearmonster Жыл бұрын

@@SoldierXXL They are windows emulators in my opinion in that they emulate the functions of a windows API, and either way, incomplete emulation or "Wrapping" or "compatibility layers" will still drop API functions and features on the floor and my question remains unanswered.

@SoldierXXL Жыл бұрын

@@nuclearmonster What do you mean by rendering features dropped on the floor ? Strange wording there 🤔 especially considering the latest proton supports RT out of the box for many games along with lots of other stuff.

@UnrealSensei 2 жыл бұрын

What's crazy is that technically you could create an entire game using UE or Unity on the Steam Deck. Granted it would be slower than a tower PC

@ebridgewater 2 жыл бұрын

More PC games need dynamic scaling. Would do wonders for everyone, let alone devices like the Steam Deck.

@japzone 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've never understood why they remove that from many PC ports.

@VariantAEC 2 жыл бұрын

Would be awesome to see PC games dynamic resolution push all the way down to 1p. I'm being somewhat serious.

@Alexander-ix2jp 2 жыл бұрын

You guys never disappoint - great video. Linux and Steam Deck ftw!

@MyNameIsBucket 2 жыл бұрын

Very promising. I'll have mine tomorrow!

@ActNasty5 2 жыл бұрын

That draw distance on Series S was brutal for metro

@Allyouknow5820 2 жыл бұрын

Especially when Series S has double the CPU cores and QUADRUPLE the CPU Threads, even without talking about the GPU which is obviously expanded from the Deck, running at a higher frequency and allowed a much higher TDP. I love 4A Games but it would be fair to say that Series X / PS5 were the main target for developing this RT version of Metro, not the Series S.

@ActNasty5 2 жыл бұрын

@@Allyouknow5820 i just got a 3080 the other day and tested metro enhanced first, man what an incredible looking game at max settings. But yeah they definitely didnt aim for series s😂

@merk2364 2 жыл бұрын

Im consistently impressed with what the deck is capable of.

@lewiscob2112 2 жыл бұрын

Could the trees be causing more issues in FS performance due to the difference between how the photogrammetry structures are done versus drawing in 3D tree objects?

@MetalJoshi156 2 жыл бұрын

The fact we're at the point that one of the negative points is that a UE5 demo was "only" running at about 20fps is still something to behold. Flight Sim running with respectable settings at 30fps with minor dips. We've come so far with technology.