'Too Big' For Steam Deck? Remnant 2 + Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart Tested!

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'Too Big' for Steam Deck is back! Remnant 2 pushes PC hardware to brutal limits thanks to Unreal Engine 5, Nanite and virtual shadow maps, while Ratchet and Clank's DirectStorage and heavy graphics requirements can also challenge a range of PC hardware. And yet both games are Steam Deck Verified... so just how well do they run on Valve's handheld? Oliver Mackenzie reports on a game of two halves.
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00:00 Overview
00:57 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
07:39 Remnant 2
11:08 Analysis and conclusion

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@willianjohnam7350 11 ай бұрын

I love the fact that the Deck is so popular these days that developers have to push the limits of optimization so it can run on it.

@Titoir98 11 ай бұрын

yhea remnant 2 is not optimise at all (comment from the devs) that's insane that it can run at 30fps on steamdeck

@steve833333 11 ай бұрын

yeah that's a good point, you see it sometimes on the Switch as well like with Witcher 3.

@HorseheadNebula85 11 ай бұрын

That's the key, right? Sony is absolutely starting to factor this level of scalability into their triple-A releases on PC, and that's a huge reason why Nixxes was purchased.

@ZackSNetwork 11 ай бұрын

The Steam Deck is not super popular. It’s still a niche product. Steam Deck is just being funded by Valve to get optimized games.

@GameTimeWhy 11 ай бұрын

Remnant 2 was horribly optimized though. Devs are incredibly lazy.

@UberOcelot 11 ай бұрын

When the PSP came out I dreamed of a full portable R&C title. Sure Size Matters existed, but this is the realization of that dream two decades after the R&C series got it's start. I hope the rest of it's series sees remasters on x86 architecture with an eventual PC releases.

@MrMooMoo89 11 ай бұрын

I still want a PS vita size system to make its return.

@matsv201 11 ай бұрын

I want a swich size steam deck. Just the same hardware, but wirh new lithography... this would also let steam keep the promace of steam deck for yet a few years as prommised. Like a steam deck S and a L. The S with less battery ans smaller form factor, the L with larger screen and better running time (and possible a few ports)

@Armataan 11 ай бұрын

It isn’t the same thing, but all 3 ps2 games runs at a locked 60 w/ all bells and whistles. The ps3 games run pretty well too.

@cian.horgan 11 ай бұрын

To bring this full circle, I was a DS kid instead of PSP so I first played Size Matters on an emulator on the deck

@TheVektast 11 ай бұрын

Ratchet and Clank PS Vita Trilogy/Collection is almost 10 years old.

@existentialselkath1264 11 ай бұрын

Was talking to someone today that thought Nixxes ports had awful optimisation (they were trying to run at max). I think it's incredible how scalable their ports are while keeping cutting edge features at the high end.

@SEMARPE 11 ай бұрын

Tried to max it out on a Steam Deck? 💀

@existentialselkath1264 11 ай бұрын

@@SEMARPE no, no 😅. A 3090 and some modern i9. He was frustrated that his cpu couldn't hit 120fps at max settings when he's playing a ps4 game (spiderman) on much more powerful hardware. He was maxing out the raytraced object detail slider and then wondering why his CPU couldn't keep up, while effectively having it calculate the entire game world... Twice. (half the detail looks just as good and runs a lot better) Imo max settings should never be constrained to current hardware. I don't want to play a game a few years old just to have popin or low res effects at max settings with no solution, so the whole conversation was just obsurd to me.

@spacechannelfiver 11 ай бұрын

Nixxes ports having awful optimisation is one of the worst takes I've heard in a while. Ask them what they think of Bluepoint remasters.

@imo098765 11 ай бұрын

@@wizzenberry most arent dummies. The most vocal are dummies but that seems to be common for all platform fanboys. The louder they are the more likely they say random shit and make things up

@adriantrusca1245 11 ай бұрын

@@existentialselkath1264Yeah. I'm sooooo frustrated too. I can only play modern games in 8k at 300fps with full raytracing on. Totally unplayable!!!

@GreggyAck 11 ай бұрын

I love the TBFSD series. Hopefully this goes on for some time.

@readyforlol 11 ай бұрын

If you really want to play R&C:RA and own a 64GB Deck, don't forget you can upgrade the storage. I got a 1TB upgrade for 100$ off of Amazon and installed it myself. It took me half an hour following a video guide. All you need is a phillips screwdriver and some plastic prying tool. If for some reason you have to play it off of an SD card, don't forget the Deck supports up to 130Mbps read speed from the SD card slot, so get one that fast if possible. It's still gonna be slow, but not as slow as the 90Mbps card demonstrated in the video. Have fun !

@oo--7714 11 ай бұрын

Tried to do that and I ended up stripping the screws. I don’t think your average person would be able to do it too well. The steam deck uses self tapering screws that are easy to strip.

@richardhunter9779 11 ай бұрын

@@oo--7714 I have done the upgrade without any damage. Indeed, the skillset for taking apart this kind of build is not common yet. For you, I offer a bit of advice - screws are not like bugs, you don't need to squish and kill them.

@TheFyend 11 ай бұрын

@@oo--7714 I almost stripped the first screw and swapped to a tiny flat head screwdriver instead of Philips and it worked WAY better and that first screw and all the others came out without issue.

@dannyroth218 11 ай бұрын

@@oo--7714Having the right size screwdrivers is pretty important. I have an iFixIt kit, and even with my limited hardware experience, was able to change the drive out mostly pain free.

@Psevdonim123 11 ай бұрын

@@oo--7714what are you people doing to end up like that? It's like, just don't put to much pressure on a screwdriver, if you need to - do it gradually and if you feel like it's gonna slip - stop and try again... It applies to any household equipment btw

@technosurfer92 11 ай бұрын

I hope Valve considers implementing SD Express for the next iteration of the Steam Deck. SD Express is pretty rare in the consumer space, but if there is anything that will push adoption, it's getting games like R&C to run like a dream on portable machines like the Deck without relying on NVMe storage.

@gwendolyn9695 11 ай бұрын

It looks like the Switch 2 will support SD Express so adoption should spike. I have no doubt Valve would explore SD Express for Deck 2 as well.

@link99912 11 ай бұрын

At 3:38, I also found a weird dip in performance in that exact area. When moving, my FPS would nearly halve, even if I wasn't changing the view of the camera much (just running in circles with the camera facing the same direction). Stopping would see it climb 60 to 110 FPS. No idea what's going on there, but something's up with it.

@HorseheadNebula85 11 ай бұрын

I am absolutely loving Ratchet and Clank on the Deck. Medium settings and a (mostly) solid 30 fps combined with what feels like excellent input latency reduction. I'm honestly gobsmacked every night when I play through some of these levels. So much stuff is happening on screen, but it manages to stay fairly stable. Insomniac and Nixxes are top class for sure.

@HorseheadNebula85 11 ай бұрын

@@wizzenberry What am I hyping? I'm telling you what my experience is like playing the game, so I'm very sorry if that runs counter to whatever narrative you've made up in your head. "Xbox 360 / PS3 stable" is a hilarious revisionist history take that fails to recall just how AWFUL some of those 7th gen titles played. If R&C was only managing 20-25 fps throughout the entirety of gameplay, you'd have a point. I've been playing games since the late-80's, so I'm well aware of what bad performance looks and feels like. Rift Apart is not a badly-performing game on Deck.

@rometherevenant8749 11 ай бұрын

@@HorseheadNebula85i wouldnt pay attention to that person. Always got somebody that has to shit on what the Steam Deck can do. Sure, its no powerhouse but it cant be understated what it has done for the industry.

@ClosestNearUtopia 11 ай бұрын

“Medium settings” on 480p 😂

@justintvinhd 11 ай бұрын

@wizzenberry Ps4 equivialnt gpu is literally a cut down amd 7790 from 2013. Being 9 years older architecture makes it incapable of doing certain things the deck can even if it has a 25 percent uptick in raw computer throughput.

@adriantrusca1245 11 ай бұрын

I am absolutely loving your mom. From behind.

@batsai 11 ай бұрын

Great video Oliver! Always good to see you on DF Weekly as well!

@beauxors 11 ай бұрын

I’d love to see more Steam Deck content. Great video, thank you!

@EricCarter12 11 ай бұрын

FANTASTIC VIDEO! Annoyingly most other Steam Deck videos just show the basic gameplay of Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and don't shot what happens when the actual rifting happens. So thanks so much Digital Foundry for giving us speed tests with this. I wonder however how the Steam Deck would be able to load the portals with a Sabrent SSD. Those are supposed to be much faster than the built in Steam Deck SSD's. It would be interesting to know how well it performs in comparison.

@Henrik_Holst 11 ай бұрын

I don't think a Sabrent would help here, AFAIK the Deck have only a PCIe3.0x4 interface for the SSD.

@GraveUypo 11 ай бұрын

my steamdeck pushes 3500mb/s on my 2tb ssd, but i havent been through any of those rifts with the transition animation while playing in it yet (mostly playing in my deaktop). or maybr i have been and just didnt notice, in which case therr was no hitching

@markojovanovic9651 11 ай бұрын

Its been shown that no ssd goes above 1000mb/s in these sequences so it wouldnt matter really, I compared my 970 evo plus 2tb to friends 980 pro 1tb it is the exact same(we have similar pc specs rx 6800 xt, I have an i5 12400 he has a ryzen 5 3600

@Minmataro718 11 ай бұрын

So they should focus on like 1% of the game over full out gameplay? Also the loading isnt bad for a handheld.

@Minmataro718 11 ай бұрын

@@GraveUypo You might as well have a desktop PC at that point. If people keep upgrading this and that on the deck whats the point of a cheap handheld? Once what you spent pushes $700+ you're a fool for not just having a nice desktop PC.

@a54 11 ай бұрын

Very interesting video as always, thanks Oliver. I am loving this series of vids you've got going on how the latest and greatest titles are faring on the Steam Deck. Given how popular this device class (and the Steam Deck specifically) has become, I genuinely think (or at least hope) it will lead to the return of greater scalability to PC gaming. It is also becoming increasingly obvious that Valve needs to do something to overhaul the "Steam Deck Verified" program - it either needs to promise less, or they need to do more to force devs to actually ensure the game ships in a state and with a default config that allows consistent performance at the targeted frame rate. In its current state, even fully Steam Deck Verified games often either can't hit a consistent performance target, or the end user has to put in way too much effort to figure out what cuts to make in order to get the needed performance.

@originalityisdead.9513 11 ай бұрын

Hardware level optimisation for the Steam Deck would produce great results. Unfortunately the SD is rather weak and PC ports are always a mess so it will undoubtedly be useless in the near future.

@manofsteel110 11 ай бұрын

They do hold games to high standards, just not games from big studios.

@brorjace08 11 ай бұрын

And thats exactly why I will never get one. Plus what about the size of it? That thing has never been a portable, its too damn big

@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 11 ай бұрын

@@brorjace08your loss. In a lot of these examples he's running at medium settings 😅😅😅🤦 you cap FPS to 30 or 40. You run everything at low settings. You turn textures to medium or high. You also take advantage of the built in FSR in SteamOS. The end.

@brorjace08 11 ай бұрын

@@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418 I just dont understand the appeal of this thing dude. Why not get a PS5 instead? I mean if you travel a lot and shit I can see some use for it but besides that... emulation? How do you use it?

@TheViralKontent 11 ай бұрын

As a deck user it's amazing how these latest next gen titles are still playable on that small portable device. Steam deck has revolutionized portable gaming. In my 30s I hardly get time to play on my PS5 or XSX but I can enjoy my AAA titles on the go anytime.

@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 11 ай бұрын

As another 30yo gamer, I've found xbox series x remote play to be my go to. If you have a good network connection/data plan you can effectively play most places without issue. My job offers wifi 6 so on a 30minute break I'll fire up remote play occasionally and have a blast. Alls you need is a controller and a phone and you're set, though there are a few other peripherals that make it more comfortable

@Blackenedification 11 ай бұрын

thanks it's always nice to have a detailed performance review on modern games using the steam deck. Keep it up :)

@rabbitenjoyer6320 11 ай бұрын

Good stuff, thanks Oliver!!!

@abhinavsaprey4291 11 ай бұрын

There is currently a fix going around that helps mid range GPUs on Ratchet and Clanks Direct storage implementation. If you delete the two dlls in the game directory with direct storage names, you can effectively free up GPU resource for rendering that would otherwise be busy doing decompression. It helped tremendously on my RTX 3070 laptop which could barely run the game on 1080p high settings above 40-50 FPS. As a side note an analysis of directstorage implementation and if dll removal does infact help, would be interesting.

@EchevinDuGlitch 11 ай бұрын

There is no directstorage support in wine/proton/vkd3d-proton currently so the Steam Deck effectively doesn't use it at this point in time, making deleting those dlls irrelevant. But that could mean until there's a game that has a hard requirement on it with no fallback available, not having support for it is actually preferable.

@abhinavsaprey4291 11 ай бұрын

@@EchevinDuGlitch Oh yes! Totally forgot that Steam Deck does not run on Windows! Yeah that makes DirectStorage dlls useless and hence further goes to show it's not at all required for this game to run.

@JFlogerzi 11 ай бұрын

Can you share a link. I am willing to test on my deck.

@emeraldcoastgetaway 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this comprehensive content! Steam Deck is my favorite way to game as a guy with small children that enjoys being horizontal.

@Schnyger 11 ай бұрын

When watching these videos, it's always important to remember how much better this gameplay footages looks on the Steam Deck screen vs. being blown up for a large monitor or TV. I'm more and more tempted to get one of these guys.

@TheUltimateBlooper 11 ай бұрын

As a Steam Deck and a powerful PC (got a 4090FE) owner - I prefer to play big games like Ratchet on PC, while leaving the deck to less demanding/older titles and emulation, where the experience is uncompromised and, in case of emulation, superb. I couldn't justify trying to enjoy a pixelated 30fps game just for the bragging rights of "I got this running on a Steam Deck" - that just kills the beautiful art of the game for me. Meanwhile something like Forza Horizon 4 and 5 at locked 50-60fps, native 800p and decent settings - THAT is enjoyable. I suppose some people don't mind the pixelated smeary games, but I personally think it's far better to pick the battles the Steam Deck can comfortably win, rather than trying to make it run stuff it isn't suited for. And yes - you can absolutely see the smearing and the low resolution in games when using FSR. It might be serviceable to some people, but after you play a few games at native res or even supersampled (Yakuza Kiwami runs at native 1440p maxed settings at locked 50/60 on my Deck!!! PSP emulation - 2880x1632 is no problem) and get used to what the screen is actually capable of - going down below native with FSR feels quite nasty.

@bagelbomb1887 11 ай бұрын

@@TheUltimateBlooperI agree I tried it on Steam deck but it's a blurry mess and only runs at 30 fps. I usually play less demanding games on the deck and I found the downgrade running on the deck profound as it looks and plays so much better on PS5.

@TonyJenn 11 ай бұрын

@@bagelbomb1887blurry mess is a reach...

@Mr_APeezy 11 ай бұрын

This was the review I was looking for (specifically for Rift Apart). I eventually will get RA, but I know for sure that I need to store it on my SSD because 10 seconds on a SD card ain’t gone be fun 😂 Great and informative testing and breakdown Oliver! Thanks!

@phyxirian 11 ай бұрын

I do not see any problem with a portable solution playing with lower graphical settings. I think too big for.. as a title is misleading in capabilities and expectations of the device. The fact you are running a PS5 exclusive on your 15w handheld is mind blowing to me. It's proof that this engine is capable of scaling very well looking very decent. I think looking at the footage, when we get a upscaler like DLSS quality the portable space is going to get very very interesting

@andrenascimento9112 11 ай бұрын

The fact you can play this games on a portable device is insane to begin with

@foriegnuniter 11 ай бұрын

I love these videos! I would also love an update on your Last of Us or Jedi Survivor video

@Decenium 11 ай бұрын

Love Oliver, just great stuff

@meanmug5258 10 ай бұрын

I personally like a clear crisp image over the other bells and whistles these new games go for.

@folyqa 11 ай бұрын

Appreciate the Deck content. Much love.

@futurafrlx8874 11 ай бұрын

Oliver's voice is so deep and bassy, I love how it sounds coming from my speakers.

@neuroflare 11 ай бұрын

2:00 switches to scene where that artifacting is the MOST deistracting

@orangeoffline 10 ай бұрын

dude at 3:03, imagine telling somebody in the PSP days that one was a console and one was a handheld, crazy times.

@kipuki 11 ай бұрын

Excellent analysis and overview as always! You mentioned that the 64GB eMMC Steam Deck would also have somewhat compromised loading. That will not be a problem for those users because they aren't able to store the game to begin with :p

@Saif0412 11 ай бұрын

😂 Your right. Would be interesting to see how Ratchet and Clank portal streaming fares with higher speed SSD than the stock internal one, such as Sabrent rocket which should achieve 3.5gb transfer speeds.

@VariantAEC 11 ай бұрын

The game is 39.2 GB on PC. It might not be possible if they have other apps but are the file table, OS and pre-loaded apps really taking up 24GB on Steam Deck? If so... ouch.

@kipuki 11 ай бұрын

@@VariantAEC is it? I checked on Steam and it said 75GB of available space

@AlexTheStampede 11 ай бұрын

When I got mine, 22 q3, it had about 40gb free. Now, add shaders and I don't see speed being an issue.

@AlexTheStampede 11 ай бұрын

Actually I have a picture from January, shows that at the time I had 6gb free out of 46.5

@TheDaniRainbow 11 ай бұрын

I always love some steam deck content. Thanks

@doyouthinkitsdead 11 ай бұрын

Nice one!

@joshuaroughan3350 11 ай бұрын

I find the transitions in Rift Apart hilarious on the SD card,

@elon6131 11 ай бұрын

8:20 i think you have clipping issues due to the low internal rendering resolution. FSR screws it up completely while XeSS deals with it better.. until you start moving. i doubt any FSR update would fix that.

@GamingRobioto 11 ай бұрын

It's really impressive how these games run on the Deck, even if they are pushing the limits. I would personally never play fast paced action packed games like these on mine though, that's what my PC is for. As a suggestion, it would be good if you added fan RPM and noise to these benchmarks/analyses, because personally I don't like playing games portably on the Deck when the fan is audible. I have a feeling Starfield won't be faring so well next month given how CPU intensive it's looking.

@paul1979uk2000 11 ай бұрын

True, it's not the kind of games I would run on the Deck, but the idea that it can do it and do it quite well is remarkable, we are talking about games targeting this gen of consoles not the last gen after all, and it really does bold well for a Steam Deck 2 and 3, which by then, the software and hardware side of things will be a lot more mature that it wouldn't surprise me if the Deck 2 and 3 sells far more than the Deck 1, especially because with the Deck 1, it was an unproven concept and clearly the Deck one has proven that portable PC gaming is more then doable, and I suspect a lot more gamers, PC and console gamers alike are probably waiting for Valve to release a Deck 2 before making the jump, assuming Valve doesn't mess it up or take too long.

@GamingRobioto 11 ай бұрын

@@paul1979uk2000 yeah agreed, it certainly is remarkable. I'm very excited to see how Valve evolves the Deck as this first iteration is a thing of sheer brilliance

@Roruoni 11 ай бұрын

I would like it if they confirmed whether the SSD used a PCIe3x4 of PCIe3x2 drive. Valve started using the lower PCIe lane SSD in many units as a way to increase volume production.

@CCaribou 11 ай бұрын

Doesn't matter. It makes no difference which one you have. It doesn't affect throughput in any meaningful way.

@antonkirilenko3116 11 ай бұрын

It really makes no practical difference. The storage is not fast enough to use even x2 to begin with.

@Roruoni 11 ай бұрын

@@antonkirilenko3116 I guess there is another reason to upgrade the storage dpwn the road. Hopefully there are some newer high capacity TLC m.2230 drives n the future that don't suck too much power. I love upgrading ram and storage.

@Booneface 11 ай бұрын

Excellent video... I would have liked to see you use the fastest micro sd card for Rachet though. I think the difference between a 90mb read speed and 130mb read speed would have been noticeable.

@yuriloki64 11 ай бұрын

It won’t make any difference, since the Steam Deck has a UHS-I micro SD slot. Maximum speed for both write and read is 104MB/s (theoretical). In practice, it’s capped around 90 to 100MB/s.

@cnochaosnorder124 11 ай бұрын

Have you consider doing a Midway Arcade Treasures 2 breakdown juxtaposing PS2, GameCube and OG Xbox. It would probably be a fun retro project to tackle. A wide array of emulated games. Which is the best console to run this title on? OG Xbox vs PS2 vs GameCube. Keep up the great work!

@raresmacovei8382 11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately no mention or testing of removing the DirectStorage storage files from Ratchet, that are a universal improvement in performance, less VRAM usage, loading times AND reducing stutters on dimensional traversal.

@abhinavsaprey4291 11 ай бұрын

Right? I saw tremendous improvements on my RTX 3070 laptop playing on 1080p High settings with DLSS. On other note it's stupid that an RTX 3070 needs DLSS to hit 60 fps at 1080p.

@yuriloki64 11 ай бұрын

Proton does not make use of any of those dll files related with DirectStorage, so deleting them won’t make any difference on the Steam Deck performance.

@therunawaykid6523 11 ай бұрын

Looking forward to playing rift apart on my aya Neo 2021 handheld pc soon I have always loved the ratchet and clank games since the ps2 titles!

@AFistfulOf4K 11 ай бұрын

I wonder if SteamOS 3.5 might improve performance stability on Remnant 2. It's only available in testing right now but has been shown to be helpful with frametime spikes especially in CPU-heavy titles.

@mr.h5566 11 ай бұрын

A question on the diablo pros: What does happen to the stash from season 1 when the season ends? It cant be transfered to the eternal ream because then we would need mor stashes. Is everythong which is not in the player inventory lost?

@Zinkolo 11 ай бұрын

I have rift apart on ultra low and it still chugs lol. The loading also suffers heavily and there's wait times during transitions

@deathdoor 11 ай бұрын

Ratchet runs so well, it's amazing! I wonder how will it perform after RT is enabled on its GPU.

@Riboshom 11 ай бұрын

It should be noted that Wine/Proton doesn't (to my knowledge) support DirectStorage yet, and could be making use of Linux's io_uring interface for efficient NVMe parallel and asynchronous I/O to better mirror the way it works on the PS5.

@aminen5316 11 ай бұрын

Love Steam Deck reviews

@ehrenloudermilk1053 11 ай бұрын

The loading on deck actually soft locked my rift apart on the early right section. Just dropped me into the water next the the pirate ship. Will only drop there on reload.

@onehitsword6800 11 ай бұрын

Is KZfaq 1080p enhanced bitrate the equivalent of DLSS for video games

@paul1979uk2000 11 ай бұрын

The fact that Ratchet is running at all on the Deck is quite remarkable and is actually running at decent visual settings, beside the low resolution and 30fps, which I feel 30fps is more passable on a smaller screen then it would be on a bigger screen, 40fps would be the sweet spot and maybe that might be doable with a few patch updates and if it optimises the game more. Some will say, if it can run on the Deck, surely it can run on the PS4, but we should remember that the Deck has a much faster hard drive, and I'm not sure, but isn't the cpu faster?, I'm not sure, but having a faster hard drive is what is making the difference, it basically means 16GB of memory is enough because the hard drive for the most part can keep up with shifting data in and out of memory, that wouldn't be possible on the PS4, but if the PS4 had more memory, it might be possible, as we see on the PC with more memory and slower drives. The other factor is that it would be difficult to sell on the PS4 at such a low resolution whiles also using upscaling, it would look quite bad on the big screen, so targeting 900p or 1080p would probably be too much for the PS4. Will be interesting to see if the developers continue to work on patching up the game and if it offers overall better performance over the coming weeks and months.

@fosterfostan5593 11 ай бұрын

With undervolted and overclocked Steamdeck (CPU/GPU/RAM ) and cryoutlities 2 installed I have much better performance and almost stable 40 fps is doable !

@elec123 11 ай бұрын

Interesting stuff! I can really recommend upgrading the internal storage to a quicker and bigger m.2. They are getting really cheap and the installation process is quick and not very hard.

@violetshft 11 ай бұрын

Can you recommend some ssd brands for Steam Deck?

@fosterfostan5593 11 ай бұрын

@@violetshftI got Corsair mp600 mini 1tb and have 3500gb/s read / write. Much faster than the 512 native SSD.

@ivalterbaptista2305 11 ай бұрын

Upgrade yes. But not to the fastest one out there. Steamdeck wont take of advantage of Gen4 drives. If you buy one, you are wasting your money. Get a Gen 3 drive instead. Cheaper.

@tdome3000 11 ай бұрын

8:00 How did you come to the conclusion that it uses FSR 2?

@KnightMD 11 ай бұрын

Finally. I love it when DF makes a Deck video. R&C looks incredible although reddit had me convinced that the lowest preset is the way to go. I'm glad Valve is holding off a hardware upgrade till there's a big enough of a leap to justify it. So far, the Deck is holding up just fine but I hope there's something cooking for 2024, because I want to play Spiderman and Portal with Ray tracing...

@FSAPOJake 11 ай бұрын

Oliver really is right at home on the DF team.

@android41 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Oliver and DF for continuing to cover the Steam Deck. The Deck has spoiled me with its portable nature and I simply can’t tolerate being stuck at my desk anymore. If it doesn’t run on Deck, I just won’t play it.

@hawk458 11 ай бұрын

😎

@deckverse 11 ай бұрын

Good stuff.

@VinceTrousers4 11 ай бұрын

Olli you're a hero!

@TheNickmelchiori 11 ай бұрын

Set resolution one setting smaller than the Decks native, use FSR2 Balanced and then upscale with max sharpness with inbuilt FSR1

@Minmataro718 11 ай бұрын

I think its an ok sacrifice to get some loading with a SD card. i mean that just makes sense. Its still amazing that we got R&C on a handheld.

@comrade_snarky 11 ай бұрын

Nice video Oliver. Any idea if DF is going to cover Remnant on normal PC hardware?

@nomercy8989 11 ай бұрын

I don't think Alex can handle something as awful mentally

@comrade_snarky 11 ай бұрын

@@nomercy8989 lol

@XZ-III 11 ай бұрын

I think PC is too big for Alex

@jordanscherr6699 8 ай бұрын

What about the fastest MicroSD cards that money can buy? I'm actually about to get a steam deck, and the MicroSD I'm using is a 1 TB SanDisk extreme, basically as fast as MicroSD gets. So does that put it at roughly equatable to the internal memory?

@ThaexakaMavro 11 ай бұрын

my steam deck is used to play my backlog of games games like borderland will run all high at 4watt tdp 40fps lock it's amazing

@MrNagant007 11 ай бұрын

When you cap the game to 30fps, the GPU will be working less and more power budget can go to the CPU, does this increase rift loading sequences? Is upsampling usable in quality mode locked to 30fps? IGTI in performance seemed to give the best performance, is at least that one usable and better looking at Quality than FSR/XESS in performance mode?

@JFlogerzi 11 ай бұрын

O/Cing plus Increased TDP? What about an aftermarket 1 or 2TB SSD? Lastly did you try FSR 2.1 and dynamic settings. 30 Locked with medium details and few items at high.

@Ichigo_Live 11 ай бұрын

Thank You!

@ScowlerJase 11 ай бұрын

Do devs or steam themselves not provide optimal configs/settings for games when playing on the steamdeck?

@DanXcel 11 ай бұрын

I would love the inclusion of the ROG Ally in these comparison videos!

@XZ-III 11 ай бұрын

Yeah but then ppl are gonna ask what about Aya neo and so on

@AMidgetWalrus 10 ай бұрын

In regards to the town in Rift Apart, I remember odd frame drops on PS5 in that area, so that's probably just an issue with the game itself.

@AnimeUniverseDE 11 ай бұрын

Why didn't you try any of the suggested advanced performance tweaks that you can do to improve performance, especially when CPU-bound? There were a lot of suggestions under your last video and I'm very surprised that you didn't feel the need to mention them on here or even benchmark them. I'm talking about... - CryoUtilities - manually setting the GPU clock lower, allowing more power to go to the CPU, potentially helping frame time spikes - not using FSR2 or XeSS, instead just setting the resolution itself lower and relying on the spatial FSR1 upscaler - FSR2 and XeSS have overhead costs that are highly dependent on the output resolution after all

@dsbdsb6637 11 ай бұрын

Maybe they are trying to show experience non-tech users can expect as most people want console-like exp. from SD.

@Jokerwolf666 11 ай бұрын

If you are okay with running games a few resolutions down you can get huge performance boost in games like Elden ring and you don't even notice a quality drop that minimal.

@phrozac 11 ай бұрын

Just went to check R&C settings on the Deck and it doesn't appear to have XESS as an upscaler option anymore. Am I doing something in the menu that disables it or was it recently pulled out?

@mikaeldannenberger6 11 ай бұрын

Just disable the "dynamic resolution scaling" in the graphic options menu, and Xess will reappear ;)

@jmsmith6 11 ай бұрын

The more successful the Steam deck is the more/better the optimization. I mean look at some of the impossible ports Switch has had. I wish(maybe they do) Valve would give a financial incentive to do the hard work in getting the game to run well on the SD.

@rubenalejandrojozaminassif142 11 ай бұрын

Could you make the same videos or with the steam deck compare also the ROG ally with handheld companion at 35 and 40 watts?

@unlimitedslash 11 ай бұрын

As it seems rather GPU limited, have you tried R&C with overclock on the gpu?

@nastysdsi 11 ай бұрын

Have you tried deleting the DirectStorage DLLs in the game folder?

@yuriloki64 11 ай бұрын

Proton does not make use of any of those dll files related with DirectStorage, so deleting them won’t make any difference on the Steam Deck performance.

@adrianhazzard6665 11 ай бұрын

Can't wait for the future Steam Deck vs Switch 2 comparisons.

@slangthetroubadour 10 ай бұрын

Are u running Cryoutilities w the recommended settings?

@jibbibious 11 ай бұрын

4:01 is literally me

@BPMa14n 11 ай бұрын

Wow they run in a handheld. Thats great.

@Tainted79 11 ай бұрын

If your playing at home. You can always use steam remote play. And stream from your PC to your steam deck.

@Armataan 11 ай бұрын

Or alternatively, use GeForce now from deck to play at ultra.

@CSmithyPx 11 ай бұрын

Started playing remnant 1 on the steam deck and that doesn't run super well either but I'm in and can't wait to play the second

@Tyler_tha_narrator 11 ай бұрын

I have a 256 GB Steamdeck and the portal portion of Ratchet and Clank did NOT lag thst badly. I didnt adjust anything. I installed and played it straight out.

@Infyra 11 ай бұрын

The remnant devs posted on twitter before release that the game was at mostly 60 fps with a few dips, so I dunno what happened.

@pabloescoe 11 ай бұрын

How are your temperatures so low on every steam deck video? Mine runs at 80 deg C after 15 minutes of playing.

@yousuff1 11 ай бұрын

It runs pretty well on my ROG Ally. Nice to see it's good for Steam Deck owners as well.

@AbysmalEnd 11 ай бұрын

I overclocked/ Undervolted my steam deck so i've been doing pretty good with these games. 1900mhz GPU 3900mhz CPU UMA set to 4G TDP set to 20 watts and since i did SOC,CPU, GPU undervolt temperatures are actually really good and finally I changed out the back plate for JSAUX upgraded one. it comes with more vents on the top and open vent on the back which dropped temperatures by 3-4 degrees!!!

@AbysmalEnd 11 ай бұрын

Also I wouldn't consider Remnant ll a good showing of UE5 because the developers themselves said they designed the game to require upscaling. I don't think that should ever be a standard with developing the game. that is why it has horrible performance on a 7900xtx and 4090. Upscaling should be used purely for squeezing some extra frames but never has a standard in development. I love the game but it may mark another moment where developers use it to cut corners on optimization. my 6900xt shouldnt run at 80FPS at 4K with FSR set to performance . the 6900xt is not a 1080P Card maybe a 1440P card for upcoming titles but not 1080. Ratchet and clank looks better, runs better and has way better scaling.

@ultramegax 11 ай бұрын

Nice video, as always! :) I would have liked to see a test with a 1tb A2 micro SD card, though. Speeds should be significantly faster.

@yuriloki64 11 ай бұрын

It won’t make any difference, since the Steam Deck has a UHS-I micro SD slot. Maximum speed for both write and read is 104MB/s (theoretical). In practice, it’s capped around 90 to 100MB/s.

@ultramegax 11 ай бұрын

@@yuriloki64 ohhh. I didn't realize that. That's disappointing!

@KumarSagar 11 ай бұрын

Will you please also test on the ROG Ally?

@GaminylGames 11 ай бұрын

MAAAAAAN seeing Rift Apart on a handheld is absolutely mind-boggling. God damn

@batzraph708 11 ай бұрын

Runs great on Rog ally

@HeavyMetalSonicRM 11 ай бұрын

Where is John's Double Dragon Gaiden video?

@SirDragonClaw 11 ай бұрын

A more important question is how do they run on the ROG Ally?

@devonmarr9872 11 ай бұрын

720p with performance mode? Would that be 360p?

@Lolkork 11 ай бұрын

Does the deck/steamos support directstorage?

@jeveritt8398 11 ай бұрын

Games like remnant 2 makes me question what testing valve does for the verfied status given the performance. R&c rift apart however looks and runs good enough for a 2nd or 3rd playthrough imo

@calm2348 11 ай бұрын

Yeah but remnant 2 isn't even running well on gaming PCs. It's poorly optimized. Not entirely the deck's fault.

@mikaeldannenberger6 11 ай бұрын

For Ratchet: set proton GE 8.9, 720p, fsr quality and all settings on low and you'll get perfect 40fps, difference between medium and low is negligible on the 7 inch display imo...

@jamboodamytey3880 11 ай бұрын

What about the Ally? Has anyone done any results for how these gam3s run on it?

@borrellipatrick 11 ай бұрын

Remant 1 was pretty sweet on Switch. Realizing that remant 2 is a little too advanced for the system making me hopeful for a port if the next switch does come out next year

@Psevdonim123 11 ай бұрын

Feels like unoptimised... It looks good, but 720p on PS5? Really? There's got to be something wrong, there's no point running so low on new consoles intentionally (I know it's dynamic but still)

@nonewanted 11 ай бұрын

Sequential read speed is not really important but random is

@zombiebillcosby 11 ай бұрын

We should be advising against using the built in steam deck frame rate limiter. It adds a massive amount of input lag.

@unnoticedhero1 11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I've noticed in some games frame pacing and input lag is much worse with the Deck limit in place, for example Dark Souls Remastered runs at a solid 60fps with ingame vsync vs the deck limiter where it runs 60 but the frame pacing makes it look much worse, at least on my Deck, though I've had a lot of games where I left it on and I didn't notice a difference.

@zombiebillcosby 11 ай бұрын

@@unnoticedhero1 absolutely, someone did some tests on Reddit and if I’m not mistaken at 30 FPS you can add 100+ ms of input lag that’s unacceptable and makes you feel super floaty.

@BenchmarksIT 11 ай бұрын

It's just amazing how brand new titles run on Deck! Excellent port by Nixxes.

@bagelbomb1887 11 ай бұрын

I tried it on Steam Deck and it's playable but to it does look terrible compared to on PS5

@PantsaBear 11 ай бұрын

@@bagelbomb1887 Yeah agreed. Im happy for people who can still enjoy it as the option is good enough for that, but idk how someone can play a cinematic action game with that much stuff going on at low framerates and resolutions, just to have it handheld. Also the audio experience on handheld is worse too. But like I said, the option to have it is good

@andrzejos7003 11 ай бұрын

@@bagelbomb1887 It's a extra slim and tiny handheld, compared to PS5 🙂

@ZackSNetwork 11 ай бұрын

@@bagelbomb1887The Steam Deck is weaker than the PS4 what do you expect.

@doovplayz 11 ай бұрын

@@ZackSNetworkno it’s not it’s between ps4 and ps4 pro