Stefan Borson and Simon Jordan EXPLAIN How Points Deductions For Everton & Forest Will Play Out 😱🚨

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Football finance expert Stefan Borson explains the latest on the Profit and Sustainability Rules and what this means for clubs like Everton, Nottingham Forest and Chelsea.
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@ibrahimoscarjalloh8807 Ай бұрын

Stefan should be in this show every day

@louloutri Ай бұрын

I find Stefan fascinating, I'm really interested in what he says.

@jtmmmm27 Ай бұрын

He's a knowledgable guy but disengenuous when talking about City.

@DarthQueefious Ай бұрын

FFP is why I fell in love with football as a kid

@kc8923 Ай бұрын

Ever since the PL was founded and Sky started broadcasting, money has dominated the game. Sums involved have increased exponentially and now pretty much determine a team's league position.

@andyturvey6397 Ай бұрын

Love the way Simon shuts up when someone knows what they are talking about Take it in Yet tomorrow all anti Mcfc Blah blah blah

@MaterLacrymarum Ай бұрын

That's because he's an adult.

@guyjackson1261 Ай бұрын

It's called listening and learning, you should try it some time

@rolandtb3 Ай бұрын

Very interesting, alot of these fine details need to be individually explored some more as they pertain to Everton, Nottingham Forest, Chelsea and Manchester City. Same for the rules and regulations (similarities, differences, agents' or third party fees, selling tranferable assests within the group) in the EFL, PL, UEFA/FIFA.

@BlauveltBurns Ай бұрын

Can’t get enough of this detail

@ozjob Ай бұрын

Weird they don’t talk about any of the inconsistencies. One saying Usmano v was a mitigation and one wasn’t

@DavidGreen-ot2ni Ай бұрын

Should have brought on Johnson for Cresswell at 60 minutes. Could have then brought on Cornet earlier

@lfcspectre4335 Ай бұрын

Sir Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

@stevom7609 Ай бұрын

Meanwhile nothing gets mentioned about the elephant in the room

@timtaylorsmith Ай бұрын

Everyone is wising up to the increasing likelihood that the Prem 100% fumbled the City charges in desperation to stave off government oversight and didn't REALLY have the case against City (and all the third-parties implicated in the City charges) which they could sufficiently prove. The Prem over-extended, City may still be held to account in some way, but nothing close to the scale of the initial charges.

@markneeley Ай бұрын

Where?

@yeboha Ай бұрын

id like to hear his thoughts on where Leeds stand in regards to suing forest, everton or the league ??

@irieite9666 Ай бұрын

Doubtful that they will if theyre set to fail themselves this season. It would be opening up the door for them to get sued by Ipswich etc in the future.

@Colin-wx7kz Ай бұрын

How many times do people have to tell u fools u can't sue other clubs because you signed up to the rules of the premier League is this hard for u to understand or are u just stupid.

@yeboha Ай бұрын

@@irieite9666 leeds are not set to fail at all ! and also this is in regards to leeds being relegated at the hands of everton and forest cheating mainly !

@irieite9666 Ай бұрын

@@yeboha If Leeds get promoted their squad earn 20 million between them in bonuses putting them over the FFP limit and costing them a points deduction next season. So lets say Leeds finish top 2.... Ipswich finish 3rd and stay in Championship. Leeds by suing if successful would be opening themselves up to get sued by Ipswich or other Championship teams from this season who played by the rules but didn't get promoted.

@yeboha Ай бұрын

@@irieite9666 leeds wont breach the rules so what you are saying is irrelevant

@Jericho642 Ай бұрын

A fraction of a point serves the exact same purpose as a full point

@jonnicholson1638 27 күн бұрын

Not necessarily - removes the importance of goal difference for a team below them.

@Lion_lockheart Ай бұрын

I say scrap and let teams spend what they want

@bleb87 Ай бұрын

Fractional points would be the nail in the coffin for me. Im already scoping out bundesliga, the prem has lost its luster.

@albertbrammer9263 Ай бұрын

Should be able to increase the deductions.

@kc8923 Ай бұрын

If you're interested in more detail of Everton's current financial situation listen to the latest episode of the Price of Football, sounds a perilous position.

@sugar4522 Ай бұрын

Well, there’s an easy way to fix it.. don’t turn up to the games! If we don’t pay they won’t GET payed..

@irieite9666 Ай бұрын

Leicester are cracking up lately. Either they go up or they end up in league 1 or league 2 soon like Leeds, Portsmouth, Sunderland etc. Same thing with Chelsea in a few years time if there's true justice. But IMO the league won't have the balls to punish them and Man City accordingly

@derek18211 Ай бұрын

For those who think its heavy, watch a cartoon, excellent topic

@markneeley Ай бұрын

Turn down the booking of the volume levels of the jingle at the end, for crying out loud!!!!!!

@reddog1677 Ай бұрын

The money Leicester for the players they sold, how can they be in breach of PSR. League only started looking at PSR becuse forest spent loads of money and managed to stay up

@lilbaz8073 Ай бұрын

Because it's not just transfer fees it's wages aswell. Also selling a player only counts for that season. Amortisation means buying a player counts over the length of the contract.

@irieite9666 Ай бұрын

Because they play in the championship with the 7th highest wage salary in England, Premier league included.

@paosceptic Ай бұрын

The whole FFP issue is a complete load of hogwash - let the clubs go bankrupt and put processes in place to handle that situation - this all came about because the top 6 clubs wanted a closed shop - e.g. Newcastle is one of the richest clubs but cannot spend the money

@therealking6202 Ай бұрын

Waaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!

@citysouthstandlad Ай бұрын

City fans were saying this 10 years ago but none of the smaller clubs fans listened. Reap what you sow

@MinisterManDan Ай бұрын

Simon was right, the solution is a luxury tax on big spending clubs. You can do whatever, but you’ll be hit with financial penalties that end up subsidizing everyone else not paying the tax.

@davidg9057 Ай бұрын

Yet Newcastle fans moaned for years about the greedy six. Now they want to join them

@therealking6202 Ай бұрын

@@citysouthstandlad 10 years ago City was already starting to rack up FFP charges... TF you on about?!?

@daleysmith9854 Ай бұрын

It’s getting silly now

@user-rp7iu7ds3f Ай бұрын

When will the 115ers be held to account between 2013-2018? Relegation, all titles scrubbed and $1bn fine?

@bobofett3966 Ай бұрын

They’re not guilty so don’t cry to much when found innocent

@ddmkthfc8555 Ай бұрын

@@bobofett3966you are deluded!

@user-df1qb4xf4k Ай бұрын

Yawn. Most people know that won't happen.. well most people with a element of intelligence. Clearly not something you have acquired ..

@revoksfn7354 Ай бұрын

@@ddmkthfc8555you are deluded

@thefivepoints Ай бұрын

@@bobofett3966😂😂😂😂😂 plastic city fan.

@mrlavabeast Ай бұрын

A fraction of a point sounds insane, especially if it decides the fate of Clubs. It's a laughable situation.

@james15us Ай бұрын

Agreed. The only way it should EVER be considered if its between two clubs who have both broken rules i.e. Everton and Forest end up on the same points and are in 18th and 17th place respectively then the fractional point is the decider between the two. The mere suggestion that either team could stay up by 0.1 point over a team that has complied to the rules is laughable

@liamj5091 Ай бұрын

That would be so stupid if they give back a "half point" 😂

@MaterLacrymarum Ай бұрын

There is far too much uncertainty in FFP. Who wrote the rules, Mickey Mouse?

@colinmcdonald6632 Ай бұрын

And Donald Duck !😂😂😂😂😂😂 But Seriously it is Getting Ridiculous!

@lilbaz8073 Ай бұрын

The 20 clubs.

@jamesvincent407 Ай бұрын

Gents please discuss the merits of bringing the American system in / wage budget and caps - all teams have a similar - if they can’t afford it then they can’t spend it

@jonathonblacker299 Ай бұрын

UFEA, one word PSG

@williamross6227 Ай бұрын

115

@jackshaw2701 Ай бұрын

Shambles

@ejc636 Ай бұрын

Stefans stock answer is i dont know.. what an accountant 😮

@AM2K2 Ай бұрын

If the PL don't know...why would Stefan?

@waynesewell147 Ай бұрын

He's a lawyer not an accountant.(Do you fact proof anything before you type ?)

@bareknuckles2u Ай бұрын

Cue the financial and legal experts in the comment section...

@davidgreenwood5241 Ай бұрын

And Man City carry on its merry way

@drubry1854 Ай бұрын

Coz its completely different from Evertons charge and City didn't admit it like Everton did, so keep up pal 👍

@Graeme726 Ай бұрын

So if City are found guilty, they will be hit with a massive charge as they will have not admitted any guilt and will not have been good little boys to the premier league.

@drubry1854 Ай бұрын

@Graeme726 and when they are found not guilty like all the experts have said as its impossible to prove, you'll cry like a naughty little boy 😭

@nottingham1 Ай бұрын

Absolutely ridiculous

@andrewwatson4244 Ай бұрын

Why do the EFL destroy clubs but the prem just keep failing and being soft?

@mrdan7740 Ай бұрын

It’s a farce. Get all the points deductions in the bin 🗑️

@ger1793 Ай бұрын

The more you listen to Simon the more you realise he just talks absolute nonsense and contradicts himself every other week. Absolute joker

@greggreg9677 Ай бұрын

The guys a city shill

@Xebthebarbarian Ай бұрын

Borson on Chelsea: 'This R Kelly type is guilty throw him under the jail'! Borson on City: 'Leave Britney alone please'!!!!

@milliefrankieshaw2009 Ай бұрын

“Under the jail” 😂 Joking aside, this is how it comes across to me . I tried to point this out to a city fan but he wasn’t having any of it 🧐 no surprises

@JasonLlewelyn Ай бұрын

I cant wait to see this guys face the day that his beloved man city faces the music

@bobofett3966 Ай бұрын

People keep saying what about City every time points are deducted to some other club but look at it like this A bloke admitting he was drink driving and speeding, going to court and being banned but then moaning that the guy arrested at the same time as him for murder who pleaded not guilty hasn't even had a court date.

@TC-qd1zw Ай бұрын

Relegate all cheaters. No need for points deduction.

@Paul-ru1ln Ай бұрын

Finally, an intelligent person on Talksport. Can you please start adding more guests like this man instead of the usual brain dead, idiotic, biased prats like Agbonlahor.

@ejc636 Ай бұрын

Remember Stefan works for man city..

@bobofett3966 Ай бұрын

No he doesn’t he hasn’t work for city for nearly 10 years

@andyturvey6397 Ай бұрын

Remember you are thick Is a City fan though

@waynesewell147 Ай бұрын

Never has been employed by Manchester City, brought on as an advisor, which ended in 2006. But he is City fan though .

@james15us Ай бұрын

@@waynesewell147 "Brought on as an advisor" is absolutely "being employed" to do a job, in this case advising on a professional matter. If you think he was doing it out of the goodness of his own heart you're kidding yourself.

@waynesewell147 Ай бұрын

@@james15us outside contractor, not an employee of the club. kid on

@kadiummusic Ай бұрын

Ch for Chelsea... CH for Cheats. The club that has never had class.

@russellharvey698 Ай бұрын

They shouldnt get any back.. broke the rules, suck it up

@aaronmstevenson Ай бұрын

Everton have been babied every step of the way

@Simko3426 Ай бұрын

everton deserves 20 points forest 25 chelsea 50 city 120 plus league 1 for all four clubs!!!

@healthdex3729 Ай бұрын

Explain….

@franki7 Ай бұрын

idiot

@Simko3426 Ай бұрын

@@healthdex3729 city deserves 150 points

@bobofett3966 Ай бұрын

@@Simko3426why if they’re not guilty

@andyturvey6397 Ай бұрын

A whole load of people are gonna have egg on face 115 good luck with that No evidence apart from a hacker who is now in jail Premier league have a lot of explaining to do

@MrMassivefavour Ай бұрын

I say... relegate all the teams that tried to get into the big boys area of the league. Let the old guard be in charge again. Get rid of the best team the Premier league has ever seen, the best manager...get back to three clubs playing half decent football and all the lower clubs hoofing it and having their best players snapped up. Who needs anyone coming in, investing in clubs without indebting the outfit till they have to go bankrupt, vastly improving run down working class areas, building great stadia and encouraging all clubs from top to bottom to play decent football, passing out of defence and trapping the ball correctly. We don't need all that guff. We need fat defenders, drunk midfielders and teams with gambling habits...oh.. and good old leveraged buyouts... Actually, while we're at it, let's get back to fighting in the stands and racism all game keeping whole communities away from the stands. Bleedin' upstarts, ruining the league!

@user-lv7fn7ko8x Ай бұрын

It’s a really good point. People are so quick to criticise what we have and forget what we did have (which was not always that good)

@irieite9666 Ай бұрын

Building Stadiums and other infrastructure doesn't count towards ffp.

@MrMassivefavour Ай бұрын

@irieite9666 But If good owners are pushed out of the Premier league. They're won't be any stadiums.

@timjdowling Ай бұрын

@@irieite9666incorrect

@irieite9666 Ай бұрын

@@timjdowling Its not incorrect. Player and staff Salary + bonuses and transfers count towards financial fair play. You can build 10 stadiums if you like.

@matthewjamison Ай бұрын

115 charges, 5 years later. Still waiting ⏲️⌚️⏳️

@VR46314 Ай бұрын

Liverpool fan but give it a break if city broke the rules it will be down to the pl and uefa for not enforcing them earlier. Guilty or not it’s too late they are now a big club in terms of revenue and digital fanbases etc and even relegations they’ll bounce back quickly. If they aren’t guilty then the pl should be sued for defamation

@mattheworton836 Ай бұрын

Didn’t get charged 5 years ago tho did we you donkey. Keep crying, you’ll be there for a while. Surely you want the PL to build the strongest possible case? Nah, u just want it done quickly? Well that gives City more chance of getting off but you’re too far up your own ass to understand that.

@darrenfriel5326 Ай бұрын

If they broke the rules are u deluded they have been charged so of they did nothing wrong how the hell were they charged

@bengreen2380 Ай бұрын

Ey darren eat some gravel mate

@matthewjamison Ай бұрын

@darrenfriel5326 You must of been cycling or on glue, constructing that mess of a statement.