Hi there, Jernsaxe from the video. Very nice description of the trick. It is important to stress that what Montu showed here wasn't even a best case scenario. Getting mote tech as your 9th physic tech is very bad luck, in my testing I would get it 7th or 8th in 9 out of 10 of my test games. If you dont get it 7th, taking the research alternative tech is perfect, but if you dont get that I recommend taking FTL because it have the highest tech weight of any tier 2 tech and it can drown out other alternatives. This trick is even stronger with a build like Montu's technocracy build, because you get a bigger effect of particles and materials scientists. With 400 tech like Montu had in the video you should get the alloy forge tech some time between year 13 and 17. Trusting RNG can mean you don't get the forges for the first 30 years or more.

Montu has not missed in the last dozen or so vids. Well done!

Great video, not sure I personally will ever be able to keep track of these factors in a multiplayer game in a meaningful way though, there's a lot going on!

AHHH that explains why my tech tree gets so cluttered. So if I sleep on certain techs, I can hunt for certain other techs. Thats really smart, I never thought of that thanks man.

This is the exact video I was looking for! Perfect balance of detail and being easy to follow!

Wow, this is so helpful for choosing my tech. Thanks Montu

That's my entire strategy for every stellaris run, rushing tech like a maniac, and after 40 year's turn 1/4 of all my world's into alloy plants.

Honestly I'd like if this "Tech Tree" information was just in the game, I'd love to see a CIV 5 style research UI where it displays the tree it's self so that I don't need to consult a png to see what I should research.

Worked perfectly with Master Crafters/ Technocracy, got the Alloy tech in 2217 and still had about 11k research stored at the end, kinda getting addicted to that build as Prosperous Unification is amazing and everything fits so perfectly.

It is also worth noting that most technologies you need to avoid for beelining tech like this come with that booklike icon in their lower left corner signaling that they open more research options. It's also really good to learn what each tech marked like this opens up.

I'm really glad they changed it so that taking traditions from multiple trees doesn't increase the unity cost like it used to. Let's you skip out on the crappy traditions in a tree for better ones in other trees with the only cost being slower ascension perks and no tradition completion perk. I've had a couple instances where I could not for the life of me roll the specific tech I needed for an ascension perk and dipping into discovery instead of finishing a tree with an underwhelming completion bonus really helped me get it easier.

Hi Montu I really tried this but with your rouge servitor build and on doomsday origin :D man this was pure madness :D I never had so much alloy in 2230... 4 shipyards were not enough for ship build :D HUGE HUGE trick man :)

The Stephan Mod also works in Ironman with Achievements

Oh my goodness the tech tree! Thank you 🙏.

Ty for tech tree link ... awsum info

Another excellent video, thank you.

Great video, if you want more video Ideas, I would *LOVE* a video where you went through each tier of the tech trees to say what your priorities should be. I always struggle to choose between options like Research Speed vs the lump sum Unity tech in the tier 1 society tree. A video where you broke down per tier what the best options were, or niche case ones etc would be super handy! Also a general "Common sense" video might help too. Like whether you should colonize every green planet the second you have the starbase built, or if you should wait until X time etc. My last few games I've been colonizing every world as fast as I can, but I end up where I don't have the minerals to build districts on them all fast enough, and then later on end where I don't have enough pops to work all the jobs fast enough

The impact of snowballing is why I rate synthetic ascension so low, you can snowball far harder with the other options. Sure they’re weaker overall, but you can get psionic ascension online 50 years earlier with some luck, 30 years of you have bad luck and the other empire has good luck.

The tech costs will also rise as your empire size grows. So where you previously saw those fixed tiered tech costs (when you kept your old empire sprawl in check), now this will only be the case in the very early game.

Research Agreements can also provide a minor bonus as it helps you research techs a lot faster if another empire has already researched it.

This will be so helpful! I've been trying higher difficulties recently, and I'm frustrated by my inability to meet my neighboring empires in battle early on. They simply have more ships than I do. This might be the trick I need to get a leg up.

Your intros are always fire

Well, I thought you could only store tech for a year. I'm happy to be wrong.

Thanks Montu!

Thanks for everything you do!! I learned SO MUCH from your tier and build guides i never realized after 500 hours how bad I actually am at this game. Tried your clone army build last night holy crap 4k tech 1k alloy/mo sci nexus and mega ship yard by 2322. Crazy. And I DEFINITELY could have done better my timeline was off, too agressive settling and colonization and I SLEPT on ascended clone for the first fifty years. Really excited to try again. I have noticed the battleship neutrino build is weak against fallen empires arc lighting surprisingly good. Your builds are for PvP meta correct?

The cool thing is with the ui overhaul dynamic you can acces the tech tree in game which is very helpfull

Very helpful guide.

Wow, extra kudos for noticing the split tradition tree cost disappearing!

I love your videos montu, but I am really starting to struggle with my metrics. I have no idea what I should have by when (for example, having 900 resource output for research in 2230, I don't know of this is good bad or average). I wish that I had a metric for what could be considered a good eco at a certain time.

Didn't know about the change to splitting tradition tree unity costs

Hey Montu. I've really enjoyed your recent videos with the newer patch of the game. However, I've discovered a lack of Necroid builds, but not just from you, and not just from this patch. There aren't a lot of Necroid build videos in general. Is there a decent Necroid build out there that still works, and if so, can you make a video on it? Thanks!

"Fighting for their right to survive." Yes that, I'm dropping 5k of armies on your homeworld so my people can survive

The idea of tech beelining is great, and it provides a means for more experienced players to exert better control over their runs and rely less on RNG. I am glad you mentioned the change to traditions as well, mixing and matching them more freely will expand the possible avenues of advancement and build freedom. Being able to change into another tradition as conditions change in the run can be immensely rewarding, like pulling away from prosperity to do a bit of expansion if you suddenly start finding a bunch of usable planets. Going to keep this tip in mind, might change my games.

May the snowball be with you.

Usually I don't pick techs I don't have a use for yet, so for years I've never picked Mote techs before having Alloy Mega Forges...... That might explain why I only get it very late in the game...

Powered Exoskeleton doesn’t unlock two techs. The top one is only available to non-Gestalts and the bottom one is only available to Gestalts.

Would like to see something like this for Psionic theory, it's very useful for the dragon origin!

If you want to be extra cheasy then you can go for the psycics trait then you can get it even faster

awesome video, do one on psionic theory please!

omg gimme dat tech tree boiiiii!

Great video, are you sure it's 6 technologies you need before unlocking the next tier, I thought it was only 5? Great shout out to Stefan's mod, massive quality of life improvement for the game

I feel like beelining my researches to get alloy forges is a good strat, but the degree of cheesing and minmaxing here is too much for my smooth RP brain! I'll keep to a more casual enjoyment level of playing.

Thank you for the explanation Montu. I is it still the same for 3.6 patch ?

We shall rip the technologies from Xeno's cold dead hands

Jerns shards and kabian sitting in their corner doing meme math and still dying anyway XD

Goat

So happy they removed the extra cost from opening multiple tradition trees

I wish they had a UI to show the tech tree in game :( I see there is a mod to do it, but it wont be updated for 3.6 yet sadly

Montu

To research tier 2 techs, do you have to research *any* 6 tier 1 techs or specifically in a given field?

battleship tech and L weapons is the only tech I need

Can you please do a 3.3 run through with an absolutely vanilla bio empire?

A couple factual issues with this vid. First, many tier 2 techs, especially in the engineering tree, have soft timegates. Ship tiers, spaceport upgrades, and habitats (among others) all have these timegates. As such, these end up quite safe investments, especially if you only do 5 tier 1 techs, as these techs have 1/10 the weight to show up before the timegate, which means that it’s extremely rare for them to show up. Second, a lot of techs, like powered exoskeletons, and many in the society tab, may seem to have multiple unlocks, but that’s because gestalt empires have their own variants of the normal tech. This, combined with the first point, makes the benefit of skipping techs to keep the pool small pretty minimal. Thirdly, because of how Stellaris research compounds, your economy will likely end up underdeveloped by missing those 10 years of research. Yes, you research at double speed for 10 years, but you’ve missed out on up to 10 years worth of having those techs, which can end up severely hindering the snowball.

Wtf, I've never seen the tech "holographic cats" 🙀🧐

i have like 40 hrs in the game and i still dont know sht. BUT is there a way to stop producing pops? lets say i have 3 planets and then all the building slots are filled and so is the district slots. how would i play after that? get collonize more planets? i had robots once but do they need housing? and can i swap my human pops to just robots? why is this game making me cry? why is this game not want me to play? you know????

See, what I do is thanks to having NSC and Gigas, is set up tech rush directly into Exploration ships. Then I use the modules on the ships to give me 28 alloy per ship. As long as I keep expanding my ship cap, I can keep building them until I can get alloy planets running. Then I begin to build Giga forges and Hyperforges and I never run out of alloys until the end of the game. This always works, but it’s the surviving at the start of the game that is the trick.

You forgot to mention that any repeatable technologies (such as +X% to fire rate/damage/shields hp/minerals/energy/food/building cost/building speed/army damage/army hp/armour hp/life span/naval cap/command limit/starbase cap/) are effectively Tier 0 technologies and wouldn't count towards unlocking access to the next tier.

Genetic modification yup thats a yoink on the spot.

Is the weight effected by lithoid mote production?

as other species fight for their rights to survive*.

to much hassle for me, i think i stick to casual play, still great explenation, shows alot behind the scenes mechanics

I don’t think I would complain with the exoskeleton tree interrupting this. Would only make upkeep of all these alloys dumb easy. Of all the trees you should avoid, I think exo is the only thing you should want to interrupt this.

How do you cope with excess resources? Do you build resources silos, sell them on the market...?

+1000 alloys and corvet spam

After stellaris overlord , the megacorporation will become op ?

So, you basically dont research any engineering tech until conditions are met for Alloy forges?

Does unlocking the next tier require six techs in the same family (engineering/social/physics), or six techs across all three?

Hummm.... Noice!

Yea but what about ship upkeep

Haha, become crisis go burrrr

I thought you could only store tech for 6 months, not sure where I heard it, maybe it was increased down the line but I've never personally tested it.

I don't understand. Doesn't research options ONLY refresh upon completing a research? What does NOT researching really accomplish aside from storing research?

beeline for that like button

I must just be bad at the game, I always feel like between academic privilege, spamming scientists and trying not to pull every single one of my pops out of my worker jobs on the capital I am always lacking in consumer goods long before I run out of metallurgists. Am I not supposed to employ the metallurgists on my capital world and only on the forge world? I always full employ my capital and end up supplementing my lack of worker pops by needing a rural world/specialized energy/mineral depending on my space stations before switching my industrial world to a full on forge world.

Someone help me guys, i cant get the motes no matter how hard i try. im getting desperate :C

you know what why doesn't anyone try to do streaming for console builds, especially for some1 like me who needs that said assistance, otherwise im just crappy at the game

I'll be honest, I couldn't care less about getting Holographic Casts in the early game. Just give me Robotic Workers and Mineral Purification before the Crisis spawns and I'll be happy...

now that is what I call micromanage tryhard

I don't how you do this and balance the consumer goods.

Ooh now I know why I fucked up the first 3 games

Ok this is great and all but Im still going to upgrade and downgrade empty ships for free alloys. Getting about 136 every other month on top of alloy production in the early game

that will not work against starnet on 3.0-3.3 even on ensign difficulty(+0% output!!!). war at 2210 and 40 corvettes....

Wow, people are good at this game, huh. I had his 2230 fleet at... 2330? Lol. Going from Ensign to Admiral is whack, every other empire is overwhelming to me.

3:37 This is something I hate about Stellaris and have never understood. It says "All must be false", meaning to roll Holographic Casts you MUST NOT have ANY of the 3 techs listed there. If all "Has X technology" are FALSE, meaning I don't have any of them, THEN can I roll Holographic Casts...

How. Do. You. Manage. Minerals? Seriously. The mineral upkeep for this kind of alloy production is absurd. I feel like my games are running different settings to yours. I’m running crippling mineral deficits with HALF the alloy production you showcase here. My economy nosedives and I run out of energy credits to buy minerals with, resulting in shortages and a resulting collapse of alloy production.

Frist

First comment for the algorithm!

If you don’t have access to motes, are you just screwed? I’m between raiders and a xenophobe, with a decent economy but no way to expand.

please put all your like commend subscribe in at the same point instead of spread out over the very short video...

I really appreciate the video showcasing just how absolutely shit the game's balance really is. And here I was almost ready to start it up again after a few months away from it. But after that reminder, I'll pass again.