For filler yes but this comment was a year ago

Paradraw Zombie she also straight up says " I am not a real person"

Christie Weyapuk which rose quartz isnt

Paradraw Zombie "I barely know you.." "That's a good thing." "Do you ever miss your home planet?" "No, never."

WAIT WHAT *SCREAMS*

Also why does everyone forget that all those other crystal gems really did want to stop living in that society too? Like... Rose didn’t just convince other gems to risk their lives to protect earth just cause SHE wanted out, their lives were hell to. Pink Diamond obviously did have the power herself to change things, none of the other diamonds would listen. Even though her decisions overall ended up working out terribly, it wasn’t out of selfish malice, it was out of desperate rashness. Maybe even some pure hype really.

I thought this too but if U think about it, with all that he doesn’t know about the diamonds and the possibility of pink being out there. He didn’t know what that meant

No in the flashback/memory pink clearly shows joy over the whole idea, the fact the rebellion was for protecting the earth and liberty for all was secondary, her excitement of trying something else and being someone else, was primary. Her selfishness is outstanding, just because she wants liberty and life for others as well does not make up for that. Instead of directly demanding the Earth be made refuge instead of a colony, she instead orchestrates a rebellion to have fun and not take direct responsibility for her actions and desires. Her selfishness came first and it reveals her to be truly disposable, excellent character design to make her so horrible.

Jakeneutron we live in a society (I’m sorry I had to)

I think that he was also scared, he's a child and he doesn't really understand why he has thoses visions and the sight of a friend turning on you (That's the imagery he had with Pearl at least), the knowing that something else is hidden about said friend, the fear he probably still has concerning the diamonds... Steven is a child, at his age I wouldn't really have known how to react, I would have probably frozen, making it even worst by the incessant questions of Lapis. It was too late when she began leaving to explain sooo here we are ^^'

i think there is a level of selfishness to the charachter but I really wonder if that comes down to age she is designed to look and a ct a lot younger than the other diamonds and acts like a teenager in many ways I can't fully dislike her completely because as you said it could be and probably is more complicated than it looks we don't know the whole story as of yet

I agree I think she had good intentions. Remember when blue was like as long as you are there the colony will be built. Maybe that was the last straw for her and she felt like she couldn’t be a diamond anymore. Prob didn’t think they would react the way they did.

See, that MIGHT be a plausible theory, except that this war went on for a thousand years. A thousand. Years. It doesn't matter if it started out as an accident, that was PLENTY of time to back out of it or resolve the situation if Pink weren't absolutely committed to this cause. What's more, that was a thousand years of her lying about her identity to her closest friends and comrades. If Pink had wanted to do the honorable thing, the least she could do was lead the Rebellion AS A DIAMOND. That might have halted the war on Earth right there. But this was clearly just a game to her, and the lives of thousands upon thousands of gems were subordinate to Pink Diamond doing what she wanted to do.

Stephen Skinner yeah, but how long is a thousand years to a gem? Have to remember that time is viewed differently to practically immortal beings who don't age.

If you want to take that view, than you have to admit that there's been some massive inconsistency on the part of the writers.Case in point: Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl all look and act significantly younger in Greg's flashbacks, a mere twenty years earlier. The implication is that they've matured a lot in the past twenty years, but stayed the same for the 5,000 years before that. Really? Are we supposed to take that seriously? The truth is that gem lifespans and how they view time are completely a matter of convenience on the writer's part. If the plot demands that a gem begin overcoming a traumatic experience mere months after it happened, then they do so. If the plot demands that they still be in mourning THOUSANDS of years after a traumatic event, then they do so. Logic and realism is not a factor in play here. There is this massive time abyss in the scale the gems lives that really makes no sense when you think about it. Like how the gems don't understand human society even though they've been living alongside it for FIVE THOUSAND YEARS. They've had more time to observe and study humans than a dozen of the wisest human philosophers put together, yet they still don't understand how a baby works. And mind you, these are supposed to be hyper-intelligent beings, beings who banded together because their leader loved to observe and study and interact with organic life. And yet she still acts nearly as ignorant around humans as Thor does when he comes to Earth. You can make up whatever excuses you want, that doesn't make any sense. That's just lazy writing that ignores continuity for the sake of plot convenience. Are we honestly supposed to believe that out of the hundreds of casual flings Rose Quartz had with humans, Greg was the first one who sincerely loved her and made an effort to reach out to her and teach her to understand humanity? I don't buy that line of reasoning either. And here's another thing thing that's really starting to bother me: WHAT HAVE THE GEMS BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 5000 YEARS? Seriously, why are there still corrupted gems out there when they've literally had five thousand years to hunt them all down? The burning room can't have more than a few hundred specimens in it at most, if that's all they've done for the Earth with the scale of time they've had, that's unpardonable laziness on their part. The earth is overrun by monsters more or less of their creating, but screw it, they've got...stuff...to do. Whatever it is they actually did all day before Steven came around, which given how little they changed, must have been doing nothing while but eating frito lays on the sofa while watching Happy Days reruns. Look, here's the bottom line: the timelines of Gem lifespans just don't add up when you consider them logically. At the rate the Crystal Gems were capturing corrupted gem monsters at the beginning of the show, they should have taken care of the problem completely a LONG time ago, especially before there was Steven to divide their attention from that. The Gems have shown dramatic character development over the course of this show, which is a handful of years at most, but they didn't develop at all and stayed static as characters for 5000 years before that. That doesn't work either. What I'm saying is, if you want to say that 1000 ISN'T enough time to back out of a war that you didn't want to be in in the first place because gems view time differently, that's an excuse of convenience and you know it is.

Thank you for that comment! I am an abuse survivor and I do get some "triggers" here and there and when they happen I can't think. Also, abuse and trauma both have a slooooooooow recovery, so she IS progressing but the point of her character (At least partly I think) is to represent the direct after math of trauma, the painful, difficult and ridiculously slow progress.

Also, Lapis probably has a guilty secret of her own. Perhaps she fears the Diamonds not just because of punishment and their power, but because they'll reveal to Steven that she was on the Earth in the first place *to help destroy it.* After all, "...a Lapis terraforms." "I've almost drowned a lot of people."

Green Is Not A Creative Colour Steven was born after the rebellion

No, I mean his dream was of the Diamonds before the rebellion, so if he'd told that to Lapis she wouldn't have thought they were coming now!

Agreed

Thank you. I though.t she couldnt do what she wants and what i saw from the episode. The blue and yellow dimaond says pink is the same as them, but they stop her from talking.

Adrian SH Pink Diamond was selfish in that she couldn't tell her closest friends that she fought and lived with for thousands of years who she really was and where she came from. She lied to them and used her fake persona to inspire them to follow her. Even after the war when there were only the four of them left she refused to tell them anything near the truth. Garnet still thought she was made on Earth. Pink made Pearl shoulder all that responsiblity for the corruption attack alone. Pearl wasn't even able to tell Pink's own son about who his mom really was and what she really did.

+Christie Weyapuk Maybe she lied, because she thought the crystal gem hated all diamonds. What if she tried to what she wanted with the world, but the other diamonds couldnt let them. Why did Pink Diamond lie? Why did Pink Diamond fake her own death? Those are the questions we need to answer. Pink diamond likes earth and wants to live on earth with other humans. Is that selfish?

@@christieweyapuk3413 if she came to them as a diamond they wouldn't listen. she was already the runt among diamonds and they are known for their tyrannical rule so even if the diamonds didn't catch her doing such a thing either: A) they didn't listen and assume she's just as bad as the diamonds B)even if they did listen, a gem made to serve yellow/white/blue could find out about the plan and rat her out.

Vigor The Sloth sooooo yellow diamond is a crystal gem?

Jellis Groen yup. trust me... *she is*

Vigor The Sloth lmao

Crazi T you know what I'm talking about ;]

Yup, that’s Rose.

Good point, here's another. Which would you have done yourself? Fighting homeworld gems as well as your former subjects with probably a couple dozen rouge gems as a rebel leader OR taking a stand as a Diamond saying that this is YOUR planet, YOUR colony, and YOU will decide what's best for it and if the other Diamonds don't like it, you have an ENTIRE planet of gens loyal to their Diamond ready to fight to the death for you. Plus if Yellow and Blue Diamond loved their sister as much as their collective actions have shown us then they would NOT have wanted to come to blows with her, meaning they would have been stubborn about where they stood but they still would have talked with Pink and probably have come to an understanding with each other. Their greatest example of affection for Pink Diamond was what happened after she was killed. Pink was right in thinking that her murder would have released the Earth from the Diamond's control, without a ruler there was no colony so it was logical for them to leave rather than use up precious resources maintaining a lost cause, but she made one fatal mistake... She believed they never cared about her but that just wasn't true. Yellow and Blue continued the fight out of vengeance, they wanted payback against their sister's murderer and they were gonna burn the earth to the ground to do it. They won the war, the only reason the planet still stood was because the Diamonds believed that they wiped the Crystal Gems out of existence and were gonna use the husk of this dead planet to create a Geoweapon and complete their revenge. They never suspected that the organic life that Pink Diamond loved so much was so stubborn and enduring that the earth thrived again after its abandonment... Along with three surviving Crystal Gems.

white0thunder white0thunder My only thing with this is that even if Pink faught with ALL the gems of earth against homeworld.. do you REALLY feel her army alone could stand against Yellow, Blue, AND white diamonds forces? And you also have to consider, it would be NOTHING for The diamonds to use the corruption blast to wipe her forces out, then subdue her. It was necessary to use the shattering as a symbol of intimidation. A Diamond has NEVER been shattered. So that created a sense of mortality in the Diamonds they never felt b4. Now what I WILL say is.. one thing we DONT know is how extensive Pinks healing abilities are just yet. If she can use a mass healing wave for corruption, and cure shattered Gems, then its OVER! She'd have an immortal army. But we still dont know what White can do yet either..

Another good point... Now here's another. Why did they come to earth to begin with? Because Pink Diamond whined and cried that she wanted a world for herself, so to stop her bitchin, Yellow and Blue gave her control over her first planet to convert into a new colony. Something small and within Pink Diamond's abilities as far as Yellow and Blue were concerned... Far off from the empire... Insignificant... only good for making basic soldiers and workers to be used on far more important planets that either have boundless resources or powerful civilizations that need to be conquered before colonization can begin. The earth was pretty much a throw-away planet to the Diamonds mean't to shut Pink Diamond up so the rest of them can get back to work. Does that sound like a planet worth fighting for save those who live upon it? It's the same reason why the Crystal Gems were able to force Homeworld to abandon the planet at the end of the war, they wanted to win far more than their attackers. The Diamonds understood this so rather than spend anymore resources and soldiers on a losing war, they decided to just toss the game onto the floor like a petulant child and wipe the world clean of its pests. If the empire is as logical as Yellow Diamond made it out to be when we first met her then they would have realized that a full scale war over such a mundane planet was not only financially irresponsible, but it would lead to the loss of many gems on both sides of the war that would be better placed on planets with FAR greater worth. You start a war, you find it gets costly in MANY ways... Ways that are best avoided by everyone doing what they should have been doing from the very beginning, SIT DOWN AND TALK!!! Teenage rebellion is far more tolerable than outright treason leaving billions dead over principle. Plus if the Diamond beam was nothing to the Diamonds then why didn't they do it at the beginning of the war? Just pull all the loyalists off the planet, Beam the earth, then kill the monsters afterward and get on with business... Sounds like a quicker solution than sending millions of soldiers off to die for thousands of years with NOTHING to show for it.

Almost saved. They ve created the Cluster. Remember?

Basically salvaging a planet that had become worthless otherwise, but yeah you got a point. I would only say that they probably thought about it after the war as the final revenge against the planet that killed Pink Diamond.

I also shock and still thinking about the flashback that i forgot about Lapis for a moment. And then she run again so we can find out "the truth"

Personally I think it was both. Lapis didn't stay to hear more about his dream and Steven should've started with "I had a dream about the past"

Falloutplayer120 she's been here the whole time...fighting for earth.

true

Falloutplayer120 don’t dab

If you didn’t add the dab, this would’ve been funny

It's not even funny first of all, second the dab was to make it more stupid, third *DAB* \o>

Yes she saved the Earth but during the rebellion her love of humans wasn't that strong, at best she liked them as pets. She was inspired by humans to try to live her life the way she wanted but at a great cost to homeworld. I don't feel that her actions were 100% for humanity because it's not until she fell with Greg that she began to respect humans. To me Pink's actions were like her trying to uphold to the diamond authority but doing it her own way. Because at the end of day Pink is a diamond and she's still trying to fit into her role and gain the approval of the other diamonds. That's why she built the human zoo in the first place. She wanted to preserve life and still colonize without causing too much harm to Earth. Pink was selfish as she didn't want the responsibilities of diamond and decided to become RQ instead to escape. The CGs ideology is now is question as they're leader didn't really form the CGs because of freedom, love, or be themselves but to escape their duties. You can't attain those things if you're lying to yourself and others.

Pink wanted the ability to colonize Earth her way but as you said, Yellow and Blue wouldn't allow it. She didn't want to destroy her precious colony so she thought a rebellion would dissuade the Diamonds in meddling in her affairs but she was wrong. The war escalated beyond her control and now she's regretting everything she did.

This is my opinion, as well. I see it more as, Pink had been talked down to and treated like a child for who even knows how many centuries, so when she finally tried to speak up and get them to stop, it was seen as childish behavior from what essentially boiled down to parents not wanting to accept a teenager's or young adult's change in perspective and opinion. As spoiled behavior, which she had always been prone to. So when she started to grow up and see things in a different light and want things to change, it was just another tantrum. They didn't take her seriously, so she created her own naive, optimistic solution and it spiraled out of her control. She didn't realize she actually meant something to Blue and Yellow diamond, she thought that she was just a burden on them and that they wouldn't care about anything other than the loss of a colony. So she tried to make the crystal gems seem more like a threat, by orchestrating her own "shattering," so the diamonds wouldn't want to waste their resources on it. It makes sense, if you look at it from the point of view of someone with low self-worth trying to come up with their own flawed solution for injustice. It hurt people, and it was selfish, but she didn't think she could find another solution.

And it was Blue Diamond that gave her the idea. "As long as you are there to rule, this colony will be completed."

She didn’t really succeed. If it wasn’t for peridot the cluster would have destroyed earth 🌏

What does that even mean she’s literally thousands of years old she may have a childish personality but she is really evil

Lapis is a favorite. I never really liked pearl much. But as the story goes on, I line rose less and less. I began to really dislike her back in bismuth. I guess now we know why she's scared to shatter the elites directly and lessen the damage to the common gems that are also commonly shattered in thousands of years of war. She's more personally attached than she ever could be too bismuth or anyone else really. Peridot, amethyst, and sapphire are favorites too. Its weird how rose just decides to change her entire gem, appearance, identity, and everything, but then talks about how weird it is that humans can change. But also that she did that at least twice. I guess because she didn't want to remember anymore? Idek at this point. I still wanna know why amethyst never loses food when she poofs, how you can shapeshift indefinitely, and how the hell you control the orientation of your gem but can't modify its location or color.

I actually do like pearl more now recently though. I first consciously noticed with mystery girl but I feel it's been more subtle than the episide changing my view. Probably more development and less nagging and squawking.

Fox Maybe becuase when Amethyst eats she shapeshifts a stomach to digest it so maybe her gem considers her food goop as part of her form? Otherwise its just plot convinence. As for Pink being able to flip her gem around I don't like it. It is just an intentional misdirection.

Fox Also I feel like her being able to stay constantly shapeshifted is either because 1) she doesn't and she retreats to her room or somewhere secret to be in her normal form 2) when she was poofed she chose to reform in the shape of Rose instead of Pink or 3) she can stay shapeshifted a lot longer becuase she is a diamond.

If just mentioning the Diamonds was enough to scare her off, she wasn't ready to return to Earth.

Thanks! Tried something a little bit different with the editing than what I normally do for videos. Glad you liked it!

MewDenise Depression isn't the only mental illness that makes people feel that way.

I thought Lapis portrayed PTSD cause of her time in the mirror and her fusing with Jasper.

EthanGreninja29 YT I'd say still Ronaldo. Even after multiple filler episodes centered on him, he hasn't undergone the slightest bit of change.

Or Jasper

Seems to the the crewniverse way of portraying the fandom like, don't lie

I felt the same way, its not really progress when you take a step forward and then 3 steps back in the span of a few minutes so she hasn't really made progress at all until she decides she's ready to go home or at least face her fear of the diamonds without running at just hearing their names, till then Lapis has made zero progress imo or 0.1% at least based on her time on earth and forgiving Peridot but nothing more than that, its all been regression since then

It's progress because she's actually addressing her issues. She clearly has the gem equivalent of PTSD related to being a prisoner of war. On top of that, she knows what Steven's dream powers usually mean and the last time he unintentionally used them that was unrelated to humans, a diamond was on earth. Although she was clearly triggered, she did try to ask Steven what was wrong and if they were nearby. He simply didn't clarify what he saw other than it was the diamonds. I'm sure had he explained that it was a glimpse into the past she would have eventually calmed down.

Awww, thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!

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phoenix your talking about lapis right?

I don't mind the twist and the episode was strong, but there is a difference between doing what rose did and not being perfect.

Jason Ducena I know, but this makes Rose's character so much more interesting than she was before. Before, she kind of seemed like a Mary Sue. In my opinion, that would've been much worse than this.

Shwe may not be "bad" but everything she did is objectivley awful and she is an awful person. No amount of "she was a child" can change that since that excuse only goes so far to the pain and manipulation that rose caused.

Fair enough. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I personally do not see things that way, and have no interest in convincing you otherwise.

fine by me, i really don't care enough to be convinced.

Cool, keep doing what your doing.

will do.

No one is forgetting that, but doing something good does not negae the bad.

You do know that Pink Diamond wasn't the only one that wanted out of he mold of gem society, right? Take Bismuth for example, and Garnet. The Crystal Gems followed Rose/Pink because they felt the same way she did. All Rose/Pink did was lead them. She didn't manipulate gems into following her, gems followed her because they wanted out of the mold as well.

Running the colony would have destroyed the Earth, genius.

Not if she put her foot down. Saving Earth aside doesn't it creep you out that she manipulated the Gems around her in a pointless war.

What makes you think she hasn't tried? Literally in this same episode we saw her trying to talk to the other diamonds but they were silencing her. As a young diamond and with this being her first colony, they were never going to take her seriously. It's so easy to say Rose manipulated them when you forget her message and how she inspired the gems to be who they want to be. This "pointless" war was not only to save the Earth, but also for the gems' freedom to be who they want to be. Did she lie to them? Yes. But was it with bad intentions? Heck no.

Yes and they were all corrupted because of her double life, I would have respected her if she led the rebellion under her own name but she didn't. Instead she created a persona and hid from her responsibilities. After the war she did very little. Where are the Gem hospitals for the corrupted? Instead they are bubbled away along with any prisoners of war forgotten, Until I see actual evidence of a mature effort to convince the Diamonds to run the colony her way, my opinion stands.

He did'nt know how to process what he saw he's still a kid and he's already pretty freaking tired.