Now we know why pearl was so upset that rose had a lion. and when garnet said: " rose kept many secrets" pearl: " But not from ME!" I first thought that pearl was just salty but now the impact hits tenfold.

i feel bad for steven like he keeps saying."i don't even know why I am paying for HER mistakes

2:03 Pearl: "Haha, she even started a 1,000 year war and lied to her closest friends that eventually died" Greg: What?...

People always forget to count that Rose flashbacks are also Pink Diamond. If you take both of them together, you can see how she is. I think she is a child, but became more mature aka Rose.

Joe Johnston said that Pearl was forced to follow Pink's orders, because she was "programed" that way. She literally couldn't speak about Rose's identity. Quite creepy. By the way, yes, it only applies to Pearl.

The rose quarts weren't put into extinction. They're all still alive. It would better to say Rose's actions led to a whole type of gem to be discriminated against and locked away in a prison forever.

"All they try to do is make up for it but they just can't forgive themselves." -Greg

Whats funny is that when you look at everything Rose/Pink Diamond has done the biggest thing to take from it is that no matter how you view her she is the reason this show even happens >D

If Steven is pink diamond can he un-do pearls seal?

Pearls were made to follow all their master's commands. That's why Pearl was silenced by Rose. She wouldn't haven't been able to silence other gems. Also, PD had to become Rose because of the message that "We're all equal! If I, a common gem, can revolt and win, then you can too!" This wouldn't exactly work out if she led the revolt as Pink. People would dismiss her because of the difference between their powers and position. But still, the way Rose/Pink handled it was very immature and childish.

I thought Pearl's covering her mouth was more of a psychological reaction, rather than Rose forcing her to do it, and I saw Rose's "last order as a Diamond" as more of a request.

I, for one, don't think that Pink took the identity of a rose quartz and start a rebellion with it so that the diamonds would let her evacuate. I think, that the purpose of starting the rebellion under a mask, is to get the lower class gems to follow the idea of freedom instead of the orders of a diamond. If she ordered the gems under her court to fight against homeworld, how would she be different than the rest of the diamonds? I think, this way, she introduced them to the idea of freedom, and allowed them to make their own choice.

The saddest thing was that she left spinel there in the garden for 6000 years it made me cry so much

You forgot one of the most selfish things. When Steven asked "Rose" : "Did you just make me so you can run away from your mistakes?!" ...hes kinda right. Why would Rose even go along with having a child knowing Homeworld would eventually return ? She didn't care, she wanted a baby.

At first I always assumed that Rose treated Greg like that (when he tried to fuse with her) is because at that point she didn't understand human empathy yet. They are 2 different species and function differently. But then I thought about how it was stated Rose has been with other humans before Greg. How come she didn't understand human emotions then? She had experience with humans, right? Maybe Greg was the first one that challenged her, as you stated. The first human, heck, species, that confronted her and made her think about things.

For everyone getting upset about Rose being called a villain: *There is no true villain in Steven Universe.* Rebecca Sugar said it herself. However, if we were to pick out one character in here who caused the most harm, destruction, and chaos it would be Rose. Whether she meant to or not, she hurt a lot of people. She is the closest thing to a villain this show could have.

Steven to Mom: “Did u made me just cuz u want me to do your dirty work?!”

Rose only lied because the rebellion couldn't have started with a diamond no one would follow her they'd just think it's stupid to want to get out of such a high rank. She became rose quartz to inspire gems to be themselves just as she realized she had wanted all along. If she didn't want to help gems and the earth she could have shape shifted and ran off and hid long ago but she devised plans to save not only the earth but all the gems that joined her. She didn't fight just for her own selfish reasons she truly changed and wanted to protect those around her and the sad truth is she had to lie and hurt a lot of people to do so

The true villains were the ones who escalated the war to shattering. The true villains were the ones who gathered up the remains of their dead and stitched them together into undead monstrosities. The true villains caused corruption on the survivors. Who bubbled an entire cut of gem by association. You say, “she did not care”, but everything started because she did care. She was a brat who demanded a colony of her own. But once she got one, she looked around at what she was doing, and changed. She saw beauty in life, and didn’t want to destroy it. Which, in case forgotten was her purpose as a Diamond. To expand their race through the destruction of everything else. And, we saw that she did try to abandon the colony as a Diamond. She went to the others and said she wanted to quit because of the organic life. And again because she didn’t want to dismantle human settlements. And the other Diamonds called these excuses, and told her to act like a Diamond. She stood up, and they marginalized her feelings, telling her to get back to what she was supposed to do. Then she created the rebellion, and yes, this was a foolish, impulsive mistake. But one she probably thought she had control of. The plan was to create an excuse to abandon the colony, one more serious than “I don’t want to kill the flowers.” And at the start of the war, it was just Pinks Forces, and Roses rebels. Think about how that era of the war was carried out. Think about the fun loving Famithysts, who disobeyed their superiors to help the Crystal Gems escape the Zoo. Do you think they were shattering? There’s also the matter of, did she genuinely want gems to have the freedom to choose? I think she was genuine in that part. The question is, would that have worked if she did it as a Diamond? I don’t think so, but I’ll talk about that below. But again, Blue and Yellow refused to let her quit, and they got involved themselves. Pink even tried to scare Blue off with an attack on her. But she lost control of the situation. And yes, she is partially to blame. But she is not the one who escalated the war and committed atrocities in the name of victory. She was running out of options. And again, she made annother impulsive mistake. She heard Blue’s words, and thought she finally had an out. There would be no colony without her. And consider that for a moment. The plan up to that point was to leave Earth in disgrace, a failure as a Diamond. She was willing to sacrifice her status as an equal, to save humanity and free the Crystal Gems. The faked death was the last resort. But her mistake was in her perception of Blue and Yellow. “They never cared.” Every instance we’ve seen of them interacting, was of them talking down to her, silencing her, marginalizing her. We know, thanks to hindsight, that they cared very deeply. But how they act now, is not how they acted then. Just like Pink growing from that bratty tantrum, to someone who wanted to disgrace herself to save Earth, Blue and Yellow used to be cold and ruthless. Now, the disagreement of what Pink could have done differently, comes down to trying to predict an unknown outcome from something that didn’t happen. Which is impossible. A lot of people keep saying she should have been more assertive, or led the rebellion as a Diamond. But would that have lead to the other Diamonds respecting her and allowing her to do what she wanted with Earth? Or would they have seen her as defective and crushed her, leading to a different colored flag being planted on humanity’s corpses? I lean towards the latter, but I can’t know for sure. I think she did the best she could with few options, and while she succeeded in saving humanity, she failed to stop or anticipate the worst of the other Diamond’s malice and cruelty. A final aside, I’d like to point out that we only ever saw Pink give Pearl one Order. In Rose’s Scabbard and this last episode, she Asked Pearl to join her. And I don’t think Pearl was the one who got the worst of the deal. She lived with the woman she love for 4 thousand years. She was free to expand herself to be a warrior and an engineer. And she chose that life.

"You know Rose, she always did what she wanted." Yeah, because no one tells a Diamond what they can or cannot do. Why do you think Pink Diamond got so angry when Yellow told her not to touch the hologram panel? I get that she wanted to be treated as equal, but she got so upset over it she punched a mirror! She also demanded Yellow that she wanted her own planet and army acting like a little tyrant. You know how Rose told Greg that all gems are born already knowing what their purpose is? Like how pearls are made to be loyal servants. Pearl likes to say she's independent yet has an odd fascination/obsession towards Rose. What if that saying also applies to Diamonds? Pink does seem to care about those close to her but sometimes has her own needs placed before others. Like how she wanted to stay on Earth just because she liked it and easily forgot about Blue and Yellow and how they would react to her "death". Remember that Blue Diamond stated that her and Pink were very close yet Pink still decided to go along with her plan. I don't hate Pink Diamond btw, guys! But this is just my observation. idk :-/

I don’t think she thought she could lead a rebellion as a DIAMOND. She could’ve felt trapped. Not thinking the odds would be good in her favor considering..three diamonds against 1.. She was LOCKED UP by the other diamonds. So she was kinda silenced to now after all the other episodes. So she could’ve not known any better, thinking that silencing people like pearl was okay. White seemed very abusive too. Blue and yellow didn’t listen. So she could’ve been silenced so many times. I wouldn’t exactly say selfish, because when you have the life like what she did on home world. I wouldn’t be surprised on why she acts the way she did. I think white diamond is the new villain yes yes even after well..Change your mind. She truly was the hiding villain. I guess? Not sure.

it’s worst because now Steven has to deal with the aftermath, without any of roses memories. and spinel. poor baby spinel.

When analyzing Pink diamond's case I take into account a discussion our high school literature teacher had with us about the bible "I believe Jesus shouldn't have been perceived as half-god half-human but entirely human despite his birth process. If long ago the most popular interpretation was that he was human, people wouldn't think he's capable of spreading so much love and good just because he's partially a god. That would have made him seem like a better example for all of us and acting like him would have seemed like a much more achievable goal". I hope Steven universe ends up stating this was Rose quartz's main intention - to make the smaller gems, the non-diamonds, feel powerful enough to overthrow the entire system. If the rebellion happened with Pink diamond in the lead, the other gems would just feel as if they're following orders once again.

This was a great video! ♡ After the episode, I felt so bad for Pearl. And Pearl has become one of my top 3 favorite characters in the show.

The only argument I have about Garnets future vision is that she has to get to know the gems/people in relation to the vision. But, if Rose had told Garnet about her being Pink, then Garnet could have foresaw the corruption light/blast.

Here's a thing to think about, steven has never been poofed... if his gem were to re form what would be left steven or pink diamond?

She isn't a villain, she's just misguided, she was put upon by the other diamond how to act and their expectations of her, so when she began to think for herself, she was still young and didn't have anyone to guide her, rather she had to figure it all out herself. In stevens case, he had his dad, the gems, the friends he made, and he grew up because of them. Pink never had that, she had to learn things, and she made mistakes, but still grew into a better person then she was.

SliceofOtaku did do a video about what would've happened if Garnet knew about Rose's secret, then she could've seen the possible outcome of the corruption light. Ultimately the choices Rose/PD did (even if the intentions were good), MANY HUMANS AND GEMS WE'RE DESTROYED and are feeling the effects of it to this day.

People have always kept claiming that Rose is the "true villain" before this reveal, because she bubbled Bismuth and shattered Pink Diamond. Yet they seem to forget that Rose in doing so saved humanity from being wiped out by the gems to create another colony. She inspired gems to rise up and escape slavery to the Diamonds whims. She was a hero, the Diamonds truly were evil considering they've wiped out countless other worlds to create colonies all across space. So beforehand I wouldn't have minded if she did shatter Pink Diamond because of that. People are playing up the Diamonds and the Homeworld loyalists as "heroes" despite all evidence we've seen previously of them being monsters who care nothing for innocent lives. Rose, despite her flaws fought to save lives, not to take them. Now though, the reveal that she was Pink Diamond all along kind of ruins that. Rose being a lower class gem that rose up to fight for something greater was much more inspiring, this does make Pink/Rose seem like an irresponsible moron. As well as makes little sense when you think about in how Pink was able to pull this off.

I feel there is still more to this. For one thing yes this makes her more of an anti-hero, not a villain but on the other hand Pink did get childish but I don't think she is bad. She did get impacted by Greg

Okay. For anyone who hates on this video, Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and although I don’t fully agree with this particular theory, I still admire it for all the hard work you put into making this theory and I respect your opinion and understand why you feel like this is the case. I’m not going to try and debunk it or hate on you for having a different opinion and coming up with this theory. I still enjoyed this and I think this could potentially be the case. This was a lovely theory and I’m glad you made this.

Way back in Rose’s Scabbard Pearl showed that she was giddy and honored that there were things Rose only told her and no one else. I think that she was honored that she got to keep such a big secret. Pearl first covers her mouth in Back to the Moon when Eyeball reveals the story that Rose shattered Pink Diamond. Steven becomes visibly upset about this because he cannot imagine that his mother shattering anyone. I feel that Pearl was more shaken up at the fact that she couldn’t assure Steven that his mother in fact did not shatter anyone.

I dislike her even more after finding out what she did to spinel in the movie

I'm sure the "seal" that Pink put on Pearl was purely metaphorical. Pearl kept the secret because she still had the basic mentality of a pearl serving their diamond. She never outgrew that phase, even when she rebelled against home world for thousands of years. Even when Pink was gone, Pearl never said anything to Steven or the other gems because she couldn't break her conditioning as a servant. Even when she finally managed to "tell" Steven, she didnt really tell him. Her guilt finally caught up with her and used the phone as an excuse to finally tell him the truth by showing it to him. So pearl managed to keep her promise with Pink without breaking it.

I don't think she had Garnet at that time, from what we see in the clips the other diamonds are telling pink she needs to handle her own problems. So blue would not have interfered on Earth till after the shattering of pink, so Ruby and Sapphire couldn't have met and fused prior to to this plan. What also confuses me is when did Rose meet bismuth we see she already has the sword that she had mad for rose. I would like to see a timeline to clear these ideas up.

All I can think about is Spinel and how much pain she went through from Pink 😭

Rewatching in light of the movie. This really proves her selfishness in retrospect

After watching this I realized peridot had every right to insult rose quartz the failure

A Single Pale Rose was a beautiful episode following Can’t Go Back. I just love it.

I’d say an “anti-hero” if anything.

I think Rose knew, that the other gems would have threated her diffrently if she would lead the rebelion as a diamond

She isn't different. We simply have to attribute all of 'Rose's' actions to Pink Diamond, now, which means that the real 'different' character is... Pink Diamond. We did actually know Rose (nee PD), we just didn't actually know Pink. Now we do, a bit more. Rose isn't a villain- Pink simply... wasn't.

After watching your 10 minute video on Rose, I totally agree with what you said on all that. I think it’s also the same reason why I have conflicting feelings on this. On one hand I really liked the reveal cause it’s a big game changer in the show and it really places more emphasis on earlier episodes which feature Rose and you can really understand what Rose/ Pink Diamond was doing. On the other hand, I was disappointed that Pink Diamond was written as a childish character. In my opinion, I think it really reverses earlier arcs and I’d prefer if Pink was a more mature and threatening character and that she was really shattered. She could’ve been written as a mature character but kind as well. I think a better plot twist would have been that Pink was a really kind but strict Diamond or something along those lines and then when Rose shattered her, it would have a more impact on Steven. That’s just my opinion on that. Not saying it would work but I think it would be a better alternative. Whether you like the reveal or not, I’m still super hyped for future episodes. I think the best thing about the reveal is that it shows that Pink is the true villain of the show. It’s a huge plot twist when you think of it that way. Anyway great video! I love your analysis and it’s really well written and researched. Your one of the best Steven universe based content I’ve seen in the fandom. I can’t wait to see more videos from you on Steven Universe in the future! 🌷

I really don't see Rose/Pink Diamond as evil just very naive. She was doing what she felt was the right thing, and meant well by it, she just went about it the VERY wrong way. I also think that maybe she originated the "gemsona" of Rose Quartz as an escape from the duties and confines of being a Diamond, and then the rebellion came into it along the way.

11:13 Big Yikes after the movie. You were definitely right.

I don’t think that PD thought that home world would leave them alone if she faked her death I think she did it so that she didn’t have to keep up with her duties as a diamond and then being the rebellions leader on the side she wanted to be the rebellions leader full time

it's about decisions, like diamond everyone would be forced to fight in the rebellion, like a quartz they had the option to choose whether or not they wanted to join

The Steven Universe ending theme pretty much tells you exactly what type of person Rose Quartz is

Rose may not have done right by her friends or other gems, but where would life on Earth be if she hadn't rebelled against the other diamonds? At best, the planet would just have ended up hollowed out, another gem colony, resources tapped to create gem armies... I think perhaps some prices are worth paying!

The worse part is that they unconditionally followed her and I think deep down it's because she was pink diamond. She literally made every gem on earth.

Regarding the point about the punishment of the entire Rose Quartz "species", it might be even worse. It was mentioned in the Zoo arc that Pink **designed** the Rose Quartz gems, meaning she **created an entire type of Gem specifically so she could impersonate and sacrifice them to get away from her own role in the Gem empire.** Granted, the whole faking her death thing could have been a later development after she'd created the gems and started the rebellion, but by the very nature of her disguise it's clear she specifically created the Rose Quartz gem type to be a lower caste gem she could disguise herself among--an entire gem type she created merely as a means to an end.

Maybe this is why she said it was good Greg knew nothing about her.

This is a great video. Rebecca stated that the show is about loving yourself; here it shows that pink diamond was having difficulties with that; hence lie after lie.

What if RoseDimond designed the human zoo as a initial attempt to make human gem hybrids (hugeman) by adding gem dust from shattered gems into their food for centuries. Then after her "death" had to think of a deferent way and the end result is Steven?

Pink Diamond is not that selfish monster that everyone says she is she saved garnet pearl from the corruption light! If she hadn't care about them she wouldn't have saved them! She brought lion back to live because she cared about him! She saved humanity she left behind her position as a diamond to free the earth she had no choice! She tried to say that she loved earth but the diamonds didn't listen that's why she had to fight! Yeah she made a lot of mistakes but she didn't do that on purpose and as a diamond her other choice was to destroy the earth and shatter her defective gems! The other diamonds destroyed many planets and they shattered thousands of gems they don't care about anyone but you say pink is a monster!

If by 'villain' we mean the most morally compromised character then yes. But Sugar claims their are no villains in SU, and I think Sugar means that their are no 2 Dimensional 'Snidely Whiplash' characters that are just sadists. Pink is not sadistic, she dose not draw pleasure from anyone's suffering and dose not wish to hurt anyone. The problem is that she dose not CARE if she hurts people, because Pink is a Sociopath who lacks empathy for others.

I LOVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON GREG AND ROSE!!!

I agree with the video. Rebecca Sugar herself said Rose was a horrible person, just by what Pearl had to suffer because of her and even deciding to run away from everything or at least, deciding to be another being, that's twisted for me. I used to love her, but the truth is Rose was only lovely towards steven, she was profound about humans with him but every single memory of her was selfish at some point. That's not something good. Of course, there are people who will defend her, after all, we passed years loving her. Some people will deny the fact, other will remain silent until the end of the show, and others like you and me will be upset about her actions. The best course of action right now is to wait and see if Steven will remember more of Pink and Rose memories when she was alone and thinking. Edit: Also there's something no one is considering now: The real reason why rose bubbled Bismuth: She knew too much. She was the only gem who knew the sword "Rose" had coudn't shatter a gem. Pink probably didn't want gems to die that's true, but also she didn't want a flaw in her infalible plan. When Bismuth showed her the breaking point, that was the reason she needed to poof Bismuth and bubble her. If Bismuth was alive and somehow hear that Rose shattered Pink with her sword, she would say that's impossible. And that was something pink cound't let alone, so I really think the show will need to do a lot to make pink a "good" character now.

You forgot mention Bismuth, how she left her bubbled for years and did bother taking her out even after she was having a baby.

One of the major problems with this argument is that it assumes that Rose felt self worth despite 4 seasons implying the opposite to be true to. All the arguments about weather or not Pink Diamond would have been better symbol for the rebellion are meaningless if Rose couldn't comprehend the possibility of others seeing her that way. If we where to view Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl in the same way that you are here, then we'd have to consider them true villains too as they're directly responsible for Steven developing the same emotional problems that his mother had on top of their general rotten behavior that has been well documented by people outside the fandom. A second major problem with this argument is that Rebecca Sugar already made a point to state that Rose's intentions where real.

[Topic True Villain]: I would pose this question: What of White Diamond? The only time we've seen her take action was when the diamond authority essentially nuked everyone else during the gem war. I'm not saying Pink was right...but everything could have gone far worse. Just look at what the diamonds do to gems that don't 'fit the mold'...their shattered of course. War is a struggle, conflicting ideas, survival, advantage. Any of these reasons negate all arguments as to 'why' the war was necessary. [Topic Focus of the Story]: On a side note: Remember the original outro song talking about "I could even learn how to love", Perhaps this is a story about something that does not possess love (like a diamond) learning to do so. [Topic Diamond Mentality]: I feel Pink Diamonds tantrum is typical of any being raised to be a ruler. This requires more information however as I am not aware of how a diamond is made, nore the details of how they are raised. I will note though that neither yellow or blue have shown signs of true maturity. Yellow is constantly throwing her weight around brash and impulsive. Blue is pure despair, so dramatic it makes the people around her cry. They have so much power that they have no need for maturity or self restraint. Thus it is not Pink Diamonds fault that she starts off a brat, however I assume she is changed by Greg and her adventures with the gems, maturing into something better. But on this only time will tell.

5:35 Not really - Blue told her that as long as PD is present at all, the colony will complete so she removes PD from the picture. She chose to gamble on this as opposed to sitting there which she thought was sure demise of the planet

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions" i feel like this sits beautifully here

Re-watching this and actually commenting on it, You're right. PD had a lot of trauma and her becoming rose quartz didn't help. And seeing all the people here saying you're just hating is odd. they don't understand that just because Rose had good intentions doesn't make her any less bad. If your intentions are good but your actions show the opposite of that then they don't matter. Any one can say they have good intentions, they need to show it physically. Also seeing most trying to cradle her like she's a baby because she has trauma is disgusting. Trauma explains not excuses, She still has so much fault in this.

You'll say something totally reasonable and provably true, and then say, "therefore Rose gets a thrill out of putting Pearl in danger and secretly wants to kill all Pearls" or something almost completely out of the blue, not really following up from the previous thoughts. That's how it seemed to me. Like, her spur-of-the-moment decision to order Pearl not to speak of it =/= distrusting Pearl or any of the Crystal Gems to keep a secret without it. The show has not shied away from looking at the bad parts of Rose's identity, but being sometimes thoughtless and impulsive is not the same thing as being sadistic and willing to throw lives away for nothing. The beginning of this video even admits as much. And while it may be too early to say so, to assume that the selfish child Pink Diamond and the rebel leader of Rose Quartz she became later is the same in terms of sheer immaturity and selfishness, I don't think that's possible. A person who just wants things and doesn't care who she has to hurt in order to get it doesn't gel with what we've seen of how Rose acted during the war and ESPECIALLY afterwards (in her conversations with Greg and Garnet). Pink Diamond changed over the course of her reign, and while we as an audience (having seen the aftermath of those choices and how they affected others even hundreds of years later) know that many of the decisions she made weren't the right ones, Rose did listen to and value the feelings of others and her decisions were based on trying to save as many people and gems as possible. We have to take into account how Rose's motivations changed over the course of the conflict. Pearl herself admits that the desire to save the pretty and appealing life of Earth was what drove her at first, but meeting Garnet and many of the other gems that were eventually drawn into the Crystal Gems made her desire freedom for all gem-kind, and she demonstrated that multiple times in the snapshots of the war we've seen. Now, there is the important and dark detail that the fact of her being Rose Quartz and Pink Diamond was kept from all but Pearl. THAT is Rose's greatest sin, and the one that caused the most damage. That even her most trusted lieutenants and friends weren't let on to the fact that they were one and the same DID create a lot of strife. But even her decision to tell no one about her double life wasn't chosen out of sheer blindness to the gems around her. She made a decision that, in her mind, would save lives in the long run, and even with Garnet's future vision Rose couldn't have foreseen the destruction that would follow. She isn't vile or hateful, and she did have to un-learn a lot of behaviours that were instilled into her simply as a result of being royalty. But to say she's villainous simply because of bad decision-making isn't a reasonable analysis. It's a very black-and-white way of looking at things.

i thing this is also wear stevens "Not telling others information,and doing whatever he wants" Part of his personality comes from. Its a Flaw from Pink,he will never get rid of

Excellent video. You analyzed Pink/Rose as a character, and her actions superbly. :3

I think rose took the form of a rose quartz because a lowly quartz soldier uprising against the diamonds is more impactful to others than a diamond because they wouldn't exactly be free because they would still be following a diamond

She's not a villain. She just didn't foresee the severity of the consequences of her actions.

Pink/rose’s character progression was written backwards so if you want the character progression to make more sense put all of the pieces together in forward chronological order of the story

she stated a war where she was basicly the leader of both sides and sent them to fight each other theres a word for people like that a WARMONGER

If Rose hasn't given Pearl the silence directive as Pink, Pearl would definitely have spilled the beans a long time ago. We saw how many times she had to restrain herself in this series. If she had told the Crystal Gems would they still follow Rose? If the Diamonds had found out who knows what the penalty would have been for a diamond turning on its own?

That's how I see it, too. I was also reminded that Pink said Yellow and Blue didn't care about Earth because it was Pink's colony. Was that also a lie or was she telling the truth? Either way, it still doesn't look good for Rose Quartz. Also, how about the time Rose Quartz attacked Blue Diamond and her court? Are we supposed to forget about that? Of course Yellow Diamond would be furious, but how is Blue going to react? Even thousands of years later Blue Diamond is still torn up about Pink Diamond's death. God, what a clusterfuck of a predicament!

just wondering. will this channel be renamed to pink diamonds universe? or pinks universe? (this post is 90% joke)

Though I agree that Pink hiding the truth from her closest friends, she couldn’t have started a rebellion without Rose Quartz. Pink Diamond going against the other diamonds would have appeared to a grasp for power, especially if her previous bratty behaviour had ever come to light, so whilst she might had her court on side she probably wouldn’t have had as much support. Rose Quartz, an earth born gem would fought back against an enemy who should have been more powerful would though; she’s the idea of every gem being more than their gem. I think all the diamonds are the antagonists here, even Pink to an extent.

Awesome video btw :D ♥

Rose was one of the Diamonds. She was one of the monsters.

The bottom line is, the writers and creators are immature and it translates into the actions of their characters.

Dang this straight up sounds like a sith move during the Old Republic

She condemned her own son to paying for her sins for the rest of his likely immortal life because she didn't want to stand up to her sisters. She faked her own death, started a millennia long war, lied to EVERYONE, abandoned her closet friends and caused the deaths of SO MANY gems, and morphed into her son so she didn't have to deal with the consequences. Literally all of this could have been avoided with a five minute conversation with her sisters

Rose Quartz loves humans. She gets guff from her fellow gems over it, but she stands firm. She's into humans, and makes no apologies about it.

Omg i have been waiting for a youtuber to articulate how I felt about this whole thing because a lot of people were defending her and even though I understood to an extent where they were coming from I still didnt agree with it and for so long no other youtuber has actually put what I was feeling into words, but you, everything you said is EXACTLY how ive been feeling since it happened and I am so glad somebody finally said it because I am so sick of Rose getting excused for her reckless, thoughtless and selfish actions that ended up hurting everyone BUT HERSELF because in the end she got to escape it all and leave her mess for somebody else to clean up because Rose has never had to take responsibility for her own actions or own up to them because just like the diamond she is she always had loyal followers willing to do and go along with anything she said, she preeched freedom but really her followers were anything but free as they were STILL following a diamond, she made all the orders, she made all the calls, she decided how things were done, and everyone just blindly followed her because they believed in her 'false' ideals, Rose took advantage of her followers naivite and manipulated them because SHE couldnt stand up to the diamonds and decided to make her gems do it for her Like yellow said 'THEN ACT LIKE IT' Rose never acted like a diamond, she demanded to be on their level but when it was time for her to act like it she behaved like a child being scolded by her parents and making excuses to try and make them leave instead of acting like the diamond she says she is and standing up to yellow and blue and assert her rightful authority as pink diamond with her earth colony and tell them straight up that shes not doing it, it's her colony and shes choosing to spare it regardless of what they say, maybe THEN she would have had some respect because she demanded it and stood up like a diamond, thats not to say yellow and blue wouldnt have been furious but atleast blue might have been a bit more understanding and willing to listen to pink which then maybe able to pull yellow in as well [as for white is up in the air] pink would finally have gained their respect as a diamond, shes not acting like a child asking yellow and blue to help or making childish excuses but is standing up to them and doing what SHE wants with HER colony But as we all know it didn't play out that way and she chose the selfish, cowardly and childish route then to stand up for herself and take responsibility for her own actions, but just run away and leave it for what few remaining followers she had left and her child to handle

I mean, i don't know if i'm the only one but i've ALWAYS had a wierd feeling about Rose, that there was always something she was hiding??? The show is great at giving us little hints like this

About the quartzes in the zoo; note the color of the bubbles. They're all pink, every single one of them. If blue or yellow had bubbled those gems, the color of the bubbled would be indicative as such. Pink diamond must have bubbled those rose quartzes herself, and I believe it was to make it easier for herself to hide in her lie. If she was running around with all these ridiculous powers and while every single other rose quartz was a equipped with nothing but completely average quartz abilities, somebody would have started getting suspicious REAL quick.

I agree with your arguments that PD/Rose’s actions can be perceived as selfish , but the conclusion that this makes her the TRUE villain of the show seems like a leap that you didn’t elaborate enough on. That said, I felt you organized your thoughts on the flaws of her choices well, I couldn’t of explained it any better.

I think everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I do think it really ironic and annoying that Steven Universe fans are immediately trying to erase the concept of moral ambiguity in a show focused so heavily on flawed characters on all sides of a war, and in which some of the favorite characters that fans love to paint over the mistakes of are other morally ambiguous characters or outright antagonists. From all indications we've gotten so far, Rose genuinely thought what she was doing was best for everyone. Does it make her a good person? Depends on how you measure morality (intentions vs. effects). Does it make her a villain? Not that I see. An incredibly flawed person, whom Steven needed to learn about in order to finally overcome the feeling of being in her shadow, yes. But not a villain. Please realize that we just got this revelation, and have no idea what the Crewniverse will do with it going forwards. This damning of a character or a show's decision before either of those things is rrally exploted is really getting on my nerves.

Superb analysis!

Wow this was epic, nice video

Snake people and white diamond will be the true villain

I'm glad she didn't start the rebellion as diamond. Remember pink diamond just started a colony so she wouldn't have enough soldiers to fight homeworld. so she did right, what I hate is they should introduced another rose quartz with a different actress voice. that would have made more sense for the big reveal.

Tho... If Pink diamond started the rebellion as a diamond. The other rebels would only follow her due to their sworn allegiance to their diamond or a diamond in general and Blue and Yellow diamonds' involvement in the crystal gem war would have become much more personal than just "THERE'S A REBEL ATTACKING PINK DIAMOND'S PLANET!" which is probs why Pink diamond only used a DIPLOMATIC approach when in diamond form... but still her second identity as ROSE QUARTZ arguably made more of a point. because it feels more impactful when you see people taking orders from a lowly quartz soldier as oppose to a diamond, which they are bound to obey by DESIGN

She's Darth Sidious. Started a war and controlled both sides for her own benefit. For her own freedom and her own joy.

Thousands of years of character development summarized by most of the community by "Rose is a bad person".... tch, I adore that we have a main character so flawed.

Reading these comments hurt my brain so much, Steven universe fans can't argue intelligently at all

Something else worth mentioning: whether it was part of her original intention or not, Homeworld does not have a place for the unusual, the unexpected, the "ugly" or "broken". And as a result of Rose's rebellion, those gems now have a place that they can find validation and freedom. Rose didn't create the circumstances for such "off-colours", because even without any real influence (short of campfire-style horror stories) we find that undesired gems do exist on Homeworld regardless.

No your Absolutely right everything you said is correct rose had good intentions you can’t say she doesn’t have good intentions because she does but she made poor and selfish choices just think of all the burdens and regrets pearl had to deal with think of how Greg must of felt when rose left and how he was left with a child? And that goes on with pearl think about how heart broken and betrayed she must of felt? and think abt how Garnet must of felt when all she got told was lies and later on in the future she found out they were all lies? Same goes with Amethyst, and then steven he was left to fix all of rose problems he also got the end of the stick steven didn’t have a normal childhood? And then spinel ( she’s from the new steven movie when Steven was grown up) do you know how much spinel suffered ? Not knowing her friend left her for thousands of years and when she finally got told something she find out rose aka pink diamonds isn’t alive anymore and that her son is only alive? Rose made poor choices she is the real villain she is the reason why everybody went thru the shit they did it was because of rose poor choices.

Ultimately, Rose was a Diamond. And all her flaws and bad attitudes can be traced back to this. When you compare her to the other Diamonds you see they're all cut from the same cloth. They consider themselves infallible, disrespect their subjects, and ultimately consider the shattering of their subjects an acceptable loss.

I think Rose/Pink is a sage warning to all of us about thinking our causes are the nobel causes. I am not sure there are any real villains in this show, it's more like a character study of villains and heroes and dissecting the fine line between them. I will say I still love Rose/Pink as a beautifully written complex character. I just love her for that reason. I don't like her as a person, because yes, everything you said is correct. She comes from a very selfish background and that takes years of making mistakes to change. This is why you don't give planets to children. But I can't help but think there is still more going on here. I can't help but think back on the Can't Go Back episode with the Shadow Pearl pulling the sword and can't help but wonder if that was a memory of an assassination attempt by a disguised Sneople acting on White Diamond's orders to shatter Pink for real, and part of the reason she staged her own shattering was to hide.

Don’t forget: SHE LITERALLY TRICKED HER COMPANION, SPINEL, AND LEFT HER IN A GARDEN FOR SIX THOUSAND YEARS!! SIX, THOUSAND, YEARS! That is honestly Incredibly f*cked up

That’s the most fantastic thing about Season 5. Rose is actually the true villain. You can try to argument that the Diamonds are the true villains but guess what? Rose’s also a Diamond. It’s unquestionable that everything that went wrong in Season 5 are pretty much Rose’s fault, Steven giving himself up to Homeworld and going on trial for the “murder of Pink Diamond” Garnet splitting up, the Diamonds invading are all consequences of Rose’s actions. Of course she didn’t mean to hurt anyone but just like Steven said: YOU HURT EVERYONE! That’s amazing because in season 1 she was the biggest hero of the show and what Steven wanted to be. Now... I don’t know anymore. She’s definitely not a good person. She’s not bad either, despite doing horrible things. She’s just... neutral.