Stockfish smashes the Old Benoni, Czech

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6 жыл бұрын

This is a game review between two chess engines namely Stockfish and Ginkgo. This game was played on October 18, 2017 at the Top Chess Engine Championship (TCEC) Season 10 during Stage 1, Round 4. Stockfish, version 041017, entered the event rated 3227, and Ginkgo, version 2, entered the event rated 3024. How would season 9's champion, Stockfish, smash Ginkgo Old Benoni, Czech variation? If you consider an evaluation of 1.4 as decisive, this game is over by move 10! Time controls were set at 60 minutes for each side with a 10-second increment.
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1. d4 c5 2. d5 e5 3. e4 d6 4. Bd3 Ne7 5. Nf3 Ng6 6. h4 Be7 7. g3 O-O 8. h5 Nh8 9. Nc3 Bg4 10. Be2 f5 11. Nh4 Bxe2 12. Qxe2 Bxh4 13. Rxh4 fxe4 14. Nxe4 Nf7 15. Qg4 Kh8 16. h6 g6 17. Bd2 Nd7 18. Qe6 Qc7 19. Rf4 exf4 20. Bc3+ Kg8 21. Qxd7 Qxd7 22. Nf6+ Kh8 23. Nxd7+ Ne5 24. Nxf8 Rxf8 25. Kd2 fxg3 26. Bxe5+ dxe5 27. fxg3 Kg8 28. Re1 Rf5 29. g4 Rf4 30. Rxe5 Rxg4 31. c3 Rf4 32. d6 Rf6 33. Rd5 Rf8 34. Rxc5 Rd8 35. Ke3 a6 36. Rc7 Rxd6 37. Rg7+ Kf8 38. Rxb7 Re6+ 39. Kd4 g5 40. Rxh7 g4 41. Rh8+ Kf7 42. h7 Rd6+ 43. Kc5 Rh6 44. b4 Rh4 45. Rg8 Rxh7 46. Rxg4 Rh6
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@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

There are multiple pop quizzes in this video. Be ready to pause & see if you can find the "game move" in each instance.

@theebobbyb7400 6 жыл бұрын

ChessNetwork I don't know how else to say it so here it goes I love you

@Dl4n 6 жыл бұрын

Chessnetwork i have feelings for you

@LeFiendComedian 6 жыл бұрын

At 6:34, what happens if black rook moves to g8?

@Mighty_Wizard 6 жыл бұрын

knight to f6

@davio14 6 жыл бұрын

I found rook f4! So happy I got it. My instincts told me the pressure would be too great with the bishop getting a clear view of the king.

@Trynottoblink 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome, another engine game! Thanks for listening to our request!

@modolief 6 жыл бұрын

MOAAAAAR PLEASE!

@FredDuval 6 жыл бұрын

As always, very pedagogical and captivating. I pretty much enjoy all your videos - from the craziness of the chesscube time (or whatever it’s called) to the analytical games you present to us. You are probably the only person I’ve watched videos of that I would genuinely like to meet in person. A quick anecdote: this morning as I was driving to work, there was a slow driver in the left lane and I caught myself saying out loud “he’s a left-laner” and I laughed without knowing why (I’m not even an English speaker!). Then I realized I just adapted one of your “he’s a non-mover”! Thank you for existing, Jerry.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the very nice compliment. That's a pretty funny note. 😎 A left-laner! Aka a queensider (from white's perspective) Thanks again Fred.

@FredDuval 6 жыл бұрын

Haha, love it! I can't believe I'm actually hoping to get nona-fried tomorrow morning. That would only give me a chance to throw in these queensider/left-laner neologisms. Those time-tickers will for now on be a permanent source a happiness to me. Isn't life wonderful?

@cptnoremac 4 жыл бұрын

I really hate the ones who drive slowly in the left lane side-by-side with someone in the right; I call them double douchers.

@sandercoven2554 6 жыл бұрын

Can't get enough of these engine games. Your presentation is tops. Looking forward to many more.

@BeerdyBruceLeeCentral 6 жыл бұрын

WOW what a game. Amazing. One day AI's will rule the world. More engine games please.

@Phoenix-ox2jr 6 жыл бұрын

That’s a bit of a bold statement but I agree it was a very instructive game. Play like a computer and you will beat the player that plays like a worse computer.

@therealxtremekarma 6 жыл бұрын

This is not really AI, just an algorithm. Are calculators AI?

@Aedalor 6 жыл бұрын

Stephen Ryan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect

@mydude457 6 жыл бұрын

Are calculators AI seems akin to asking is a brain intelligence. One could argue that "hardware", whether brain or silicon, is not intelligent alone without a mechanism of "reasoning". This reasoning is likely to be rule sets, logic encoded in algorithm or mechanical structure in the case of the brain (from my understanding). Logic needs hardware to run on and hardware needs logic to be useful. My point is there seems to be more to intelligence than hardware.

@Aedalor 6 жыл бұрын

True. Using calculators to debunk high level AI's is like saying: but flies have brains too, humans are NOT intelligent!

@miladibrahim1068 6 жыл бұрын

Love engine vs engine games Thank you so much Jerry

@ednorman9881 6 жыл бұрын

I just love your analysis. It is so gentle and instructive. Thank you

@Cscuile 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for these videos! I hope you continue in the future :-)

@someguy4030 6 жыл бұрын

I love your game analysis videos. Interesting to see top level engines play

@bartman898 6 жыл бұрын

Your commentary is always great, very educational. Thanks Jerry.

@efrainrauleduardoromanoaba5092 6 жыл бұрын

Super Duel! Thanks Jerry for your analysis!!

@MrRandomtype 6 жыл бұрын

Love the TCEC videos please keep them coming!

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

😎

@bluekeybo 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jerry!!! As always, simply amazing analysis!

@The.Youtuber.with.no.Name. 6 жыл бұрын

Wow what a game.

@sausage4mash 6 жыл бұрын

That Rook move would make a hard chess puzzle

@Lufernaal 6 жыл бұрын

Emperor of the Interweb, lord sausage of mash I would be really impressed with anyone who could come up with that. Seriously, I didn't even think about it. And I spent a few minutes on that move. Came with five moves. None of them was this.

@sausage4mash 6 жыл бұрын

Nando Alves you and me both nando, perhaps in the future they'll come up with a chess engine brain implant! Then I'd crack it

@josefmalar7837 6 жыл бұрын

We have used engines in corespondence chess. Komodo stockfish, does not matter. i let the engine calculate for 2 hours per move. notes?........ player, who made own move, got bad position and lost. players, who sticked with top variations, did draw. all chess group did draws. even when my stockfish did sacrifice of knight for f6 pawn, it did managed hold draw with 2 pieces and 3 pawn, against 3 pieces. For me remarkable battle of engines. with endless time for play. in one group one player did win against engines. Probably usind paid version of komodo. On him, i spend on every move 3 hour of stockfish analysis. i did managed hold draw. one move, even own opening theory, could bring disadvantage. . It no longer depends on human. only old masters are playing with no engines. i saw an IM with elo 1300, only because he refused use engine. I quit correspondence chess, it not such beautifull as i t was. and engines ARE allowed.

@petersabell3671 6 жыл бұрын

I watched in awe as the game took place live. Now watching this incredible breakdown. Excellent work from ChessNetwork as always)

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It was a fun one to cover.

@pabuttle 6 жыл бұрын

What a great video. Thanks for taking the time to review

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Phil. 😎

@feelzthedon994 6 жыл бұрын

That was a great combo for White. These types of videos are always fun to watch. Keep up the good work

@danno1800 6 жыл бұрын

Extremely clear explanations of the reasons behind the opening moves! Thank you

@Ancor3 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Jerry, did you know that this game sparked a debate about the openings the engines had to play? At every game, the engines were given a specific opening they had to play, usually two or three moves into the opening before the engines took over. The Ginkgo team complained that having to play the Old Benoni was unfair, because you would be at a disadvantage from move 3. I also think it's unfair, but the organizers apparently didn't.

@zifircin1797 6 жыл бұрын

stockfish has czech benoni too probably, but it defended

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

I didn't know about that, but I can definitely understand team Ginkgo's complaint.

@Peejue 6 жыл бұрын

Well it’s fair if they make stockfish do the same and play with Czech Benoni

@dannygjk 6 жыл бұрын

Maybe the source was wrong but I read that for that stage this year the engines did not play the same opening from both sides.

@WarpRulez 6 жыл бұрын

Given that as of writing this comment Ginkgo is in 3rd position, it doesn't have much to worry about. (Top 8 engines get to the next stage.)

@modolief 6 жыл бұрын

Great commentary btw, VERY clear, and lots of excellent insight. And crisply delivered.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

@brooksquirk 6 жыл бұрын

Loved the Solomon's Key reference. I appreciated your video on that game.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

😎

@j.hanleysmith8333 6 жыл бұрын

I like these engine games, thanks!

@celach 6 жыл бұрын

I love that you thought of Solomon's Key!

@BamThwok76 6 жыл бұрын

I have experience with Soloman's Key. Watching you play it! That was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.

@blake9746 6 жыл бұрын

Jerry thank you for this I've been craving some engine games lately! While we should not ask anymore of your infinitely generous soul, if you'd be willing to take a suggestion, I'd like to see some more kibitzing. You have a talent for not only analyzing games but providing commentary on the spot.

@r0bbi3 6 жыл бұрын

So glad Jerry is making multiple videos of games from TCEC, I thought he might not!! :)

@Ericbryanmr 6 жыл бұрын

When Jerry started showing the combination after Rf4 i kept saying "thats not even funny"

@paracelsess 6 жыл бұрын

Jerry, we really missed you having analysis videos. Please please do more... In addition, great game indeed and who would guess that rock move... Amazing really! Thank you for the video.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

It is a beautiful shot/idea.

@Lu3ca3 6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic Game and Analysis!

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and love your NES controller for an icon. 👍

@umchoyka 6 жыл бұрын

I loved your Solomon's Key 100% play through, that was a great video.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

😎

@alicany.7758 6 жыл бұрын

What a game! Thanks.

@bpgbcg 6 жыл бұрын

If you're going to do another TCEC video I might recommend Chiron vs Stockfish--incredible closed position maneuvering.

@bajinarum 6 жыл бұрын

Beautiful combination, really!

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

For sure! 👍

@TWPO 6 жыл бұрын

Those pop quizzes really took me for a whirl! Clearly I need to study up for the exam. Thanks for the thrills, Jerry! Ps. Did I hear you foreshadow another Solomon's Key let's play video? :P

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

re: Not quite 😎

@TWPO 6 жыл бұрын

And here I was looking forward to some Solomon's Key. You're such a tease, Jerry :P

@talisb7883 6 жыл бұрын

great video, jerry!

@lilestower 6 жыл бұрын

I love Solomon's Key. One of the few forgotten games from the eighties that still is entertaining. A great challenge!

@rollingnay 6 жыл бұрын

Amazing !

@Leo1stPlay 6 жыл бұрын

This is amazing on so many levels, love it. At what point did stockfish have this line worked out? As in was it before rook f4?

@GALENGODIS 6 жыл бұрын

Would be cool if you could show both of the engines eval during the game :) In a none engine game i understand it's not a good thing to do, but when two engines playing i think it would be fun to see how they compare to each others.

@WarpRulez 6 жыл бұрын

Not the only brilliant queen sacrifice by Stockfish this season. Could we have a review of game 102, Wasp vs. Stockfish?

@nachtraumom 6 жыл бұрын

very instructive

@Cscuile 6 жыл бұрын

Please review the recent Komodo vs Stockfish game! SF had it's first noticeable blunder

@SuedeStonn 6 жыл бұрын

That was actually a pretty 'straight-forward' game between engines, not the usual deep stuff I see going on where I get lost after the opening. o.O

@deyesed 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Jerry. Love your content. When do you stream on Twitch usually?

@ibarix 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant. What a domination.

@chrismingay6005 6 жыл бұрын

I love these videos, even if I've never actually got one of your "what happens next" questions right. One day ...

@MoonBurn13 4 жыл бұрын

First fiery combo from Stockfish I’ve seen in awhile. Brilliant.

@TheReNesance 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Jerry! I certainly get what you're saying about Solomon's Key! I actually have a retro gaming channel and mention your amazing run of that game during the 3rd "NES Virgin" episode where we play it too.. far far worse than you play it for sure! Trapped rooks are like trapped Dana lol! Rf4 was a juicy move in this one.. great video as always, sir :)

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

💗

@ldeans5620 6 жыл бұрын

This video shows what kind of teachers videos and computers can be. I think they make us as a group better players.

@ExhaustedPenguin 6 жыл бұрын

Love these videos Jerry

@PinnedKnight 6 жыл бұрын

Thx Jerry

@MrKornKid 6 жыл бұрын

Sweeeeeet, a new Jerry vid.

@yashj1072 6 жыл бұрын

WOW what a analysis

@lukclosely7118 6 жыл бұрын

wonderful.

@EliZabielski 6 жыл бұрын

Jerry, who draws these great Dr. Suess style graphics you've got in your videos?

@user-ft4pb5vb3e 6 жыл бұрын

"Wow! Stockfish can't be defeat-" You-Know-Who: "Hold my beer."

@tuipaopao 3 жыл бұрын

AlphaZero is that you-know-who.

@DVal-bl7hm 6 жыл бұрын

I figured Rf4. was the key move, but only because you drew attention to the dark square bishop and the long diagonal a few times. I knew that white would want to remove the e5 pawn somehow. Nice game.

@valen771 6 жыл бұрын

what a game, the pop quizzes are a little bit unfair in this game ^^. really nice analyses as usual.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks. What's unfair? The idea is to get the viewer thinking some on his/her own. 😎

@lucasmontagne103 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video Jerry, you’re awesome :)

@Lufernaal 6 жыл бұрын

More engine games

@krishnansuresh9206 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome comments. Wonder what Magnus and like will make of this game.

@BattleFieldGalaxy 6 жыл бұрын

would fide grant me a GM title if I had found Rf4

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure. 😉

@alexgrosan8427 6 жыл бұрын

@ChessNetwork have you played, play magnus app?

@brickchains1 6 жыл бұрын

love the computer chess vids!

@loveless8241 6 жыл бұрын

Please do more of these, Jerry!

@El_Couch_Potato 6 жыл бұрын

I've watched a lot of your videos ,and now I have a little jerry in my head while I play(hmm that creates a weakness,hmm that's a free piece lol)I'm still rated dumbass01 but you really helped my game so thank you

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. 😎

@togishere 3 жыл бұрын

After watching this, don't we all wish we could play like Stockfish?

@herzwatithink9289 6 жыл бұрын

A knight at h8 on move 10 looks like an opening disaster for Black to me How about a video description link to your Solomon's Key walkthrough, Jerry?!

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h9SDY9CHtdPahXk.html

@frankohero 6 жыл бұрын

I train against Stockfish quite a bit. Thing is CRAZY!!! (crazy, soulcrushing genious)

@Litwinel 6 жыл бұрын

That Rook f4 reminds me of the Kasparov's Immortal Rook Sacrifice. I guess SuperGrandmasters would not have too much problem to find Rf4 move as it is only 4-move deep tactic. As Fisher said, tactics flow from superior position, and White has clearly superior position there. I believe that top players would look forward to such sacrifices in order to clear diagonals, give checks and make use of the strong Queen + Knight combination.

@chessdroids8510 6 жыл бұрын

black seemed squashed like a bug from the opening it was given from the 4th ply

@nemanja4231 6 жыл бұрын

on 7:31, can he play knight to f6 and after black knight capture play queen to f6. Does is this a better move?

@zarion1181 6 жыл бұрын

That was brutal.

@joshuamitchell5530 6 жыл бұрын

What computer program is giving evaluations on other computer programs?

@1001011011010 6 жыл бұрын

Joshua Mitchell probably Stockfish. Last year's winner and current favorite this year, with the results to back it up (9.5/10 last I'd heard at the current point in the competition).

@lightbeware9875 6 жыл бұрын

Solomon's Key is a classic! Special ending for completionists.

@aimeduquet4879 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@harryandruschak2843 6 жыл бұрын

Now....will Stockfish please smash the Benko Gambit?

@watteau6646 6 жыл бұрын

Rf4 OMG computers are scary

@AlaskinZombie 6 жыл бұрын

whats the difference between a good bishop and a bad bishop

@stevenwalshe1832 6 жыл бұрын

Stockfish reminds me of Fischer, simple plans with stunning effect.

@jamesgrist1101 6 жыл бұрын

the 1st 2 moves were not played by the engines, they were book moves. I don't know why the benoni was selected for tcec 2017 when by the 1980s the benoni was known to be poor for black.

@MrBanko8 6 жыл бұрын

One strong sign that we are a semi-intelligent is that we can program a computer to beat us at one of the most complex games. Now, to prove that we are really intelligent, we have to be able to control that power. Thank you for the game, Jerry.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr. B 😎

@1812jacko 6 жыл бұрын

What Stockfish taught me here: 1. Castling is a waste of time 2. Pushing the h pawn should always be done 3. Don't bother with your rooks; they're sacrificial

@blacktimhoward4322 6 жыл бұрын

Would love to know if Ginkgo's evaluation of black's position at move 10 was as bleak as Stockfish's

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Ginkgo's evaluation after 10. Be2 was 0.63

@christosgolsouzidis1286 6 жыл бұрын

Singularity is near!!

@1001011011010 6 жыл бұрын

It'll never happen. Mark that on your walls, write it on my grave if you want since I will die due to the singularity not happening.

@bigstupidgrin 6 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't have thought that AIs playing against each other would produce so many fast, decisive results.

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

Currently Stockfish is killing it during Stage 1 of this event with a score of 9.5/10.

@Stanimir7 6 жыл бұрын

I play only Czech Benoni against d4, and I'm shocked that Ginkgo didn't play more standard moves. Yes I am aware that Stockfish would still claim it's winning, but Ginkgo didn't follow any established theory. Just a couple points:1) You're not supposed to go f5 without sufficient preparation. 2) You want to exchange dark square bishops early on. 3) If white is going to launch a quick king side attack, don't castle at all, maneuver both knights to the 6th in front of the pawns on the king side

@1001011011010 6 жыл бұрын

7Stanimir7 they only have the first few moves programmed into the machine, so after that it was on its own. It probably isn't programmed with the same general tips you'd learn when learning how to play an opening.

@annadoesroblox6205 6 жыл бұрын

10:40 those are the kingside pawns

@sneakyknight 6 жыл бұрын

How are the engines' ratings determined if they're so much stronger than humans? How do we know that their ratings are 3200 vs. 3000, instead of 3400 vs. 3200 or 4200 vs. 4000?

@1001011011010 6 жыл бұрын

sneakyknight There's a limit to how high an elo can go, it's a relative score but at some point (I believe around 3200) it starts being impossible to gain points since it rounds down because of how little you gain from each won match or something like that, saw that on Quora and going off of memory.

@sneakyknight 6 жыл бұрын

That's what I originally thought, but I'm less sure now because of recent events with Alpha Go Zero. Lee Sedol, one of the top Go players in the world, is ~3500 ELO, Alpha Go that played against him last year was ~3700 ELO, but Alpha Go Zero, which came out this month, is a whopping 5200 ELO. I think ELO systems are the same between chess and Go, so I'm starting to question if there really is a ceiling.

@1001011011010 6 жыл бұрын

sneakyknight I don't know much about go so I can't comment.

@yogeshwaryehamandramsridha2181 4 жыл бұрын

you said Rh4 instead of Rf4

@dreamdamons4576 6 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes. Master Jerry. Love from irannnn

@ChessNetwork 6 жыл бұрын

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@Jason-gy9mw 6 жыл бұрын

Hi, Jerry. I play 1-minute games and I have developed a specific attack against kingside fianchetto over the years. I'm wondering if this is a known attack and if it has a name. Recently I beat an IM with this attack (see the first game). I have explained it here: lichess.org/forum/game-analysis/an-attack-i-have-developed-against-kingside-fianchetto

@chrisdrohan1647 3 жыл бұрын

Rook to f4 destroyed my brain

@chrisulfen8775 6 жыл бұрын

Stockfish learned from Alpha Zero.

@garrettwatson136 5 жыл бұрын

I saw f4 but I was thinking pawn instead or rook and I got g3

@RDPMAROC5999 6 жыл бұрын

in 7:30 i think Nf6 it's better ... it's a check ... and the king either must go to the h8 square and then im gonna take his night in d7 with a discover check ... and what ever he did Qf6 followed with Qg2 is unstoppable ... and if he didnt move his king he'll take with his night ... and i'll take with the Q ... and the same check mate ... correct me if im wrong!

@Litwinel 6 жыл бұрын

... Nxf6 and if you use the Queen to recapture, hoping for mate, the second Black Knight moves forward and Black Queen is there to defend everything. This is how I see this, I'm not even 1400 Elo player. After that i checked your Nf6 using Stockfish. Evaluation drops from +3.3 into -6.2. and ... Nxf6, Qxf6, Ne5 follows.

@RDPMAROC5999 6 жыл бұрын

you right ... thanks ... i didnt see it!