Stonewall: How Riots Sparked the LGBTQ+ Rights Movement - TLDR News
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With us at the start of Pride Month and the ongoing riots, we thought it would be a good time to look at the Stonewall riots. In this video we discuss how the riots happened and how Stonewall sparked a movement in the LGBTQ+ community.
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@WowUrFcknHxC 4 жыл бұрын
Marsha herself said she didn't throw the first brick. She said she wasn't even there until after they started protesting. Sylvia Rivera said she was there, but didn't remember who threw the first brick.
@tomasroma2333 4 жыл бұрын
With the Queer rights movement, I think it’s important to emphasis that campaigning has often come in waves. There were the waves before stonewall, and waves after but a really important wave was in 1978 with Antyta Bryant. She is sometimes ironically considered a gay icon but she opposed the gay rights movement to such a hyperbolic level that she actually caused a revival in the gay rights movement which had been faltering and had suffered several defeats. She campaigned heavily for the Briggs Initiative which would have fired all gay teachers in schools. However, she created a huge backlash and campaigning to oppose the Briggs initiative was so huge that eventually even the Democratic party and former Republican governor, Ronald Reagan, came out against it and it lost by nearly 60-40. Ironically without her, the gay rights movement might have faltered for many more years.
@tomasroma2333 4 жыл бұрын
2manynegativewaves No, thats not what this teaches us. The gays didn’t just sit back and let her sprout her bullshit. Before the Briggs Initiative, she had a lot of success in Florida, Minnesota and Oregon. However, she failed in California because the Gay community there organised against her. She provided the inspiration for the gay community to campaign against her. Without their campaigning the Briggs Initiative probably would have passed. So no trans people should not just “shut up.” Instead they, and trans allies, should expose bigots for the ridiculous lies they spread.
@yikes8932 4 жыл бұрын
Not even fifteen minutes since the video was posted and we've already got quite a few dislikes - good to see the homophobes have notifications on.
@TLDRnews 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly every single Pride month video we've ever made has lost us subscribers. Unfortunately those people are completely supporting the fact that Pride is as relevant as ever - Jack
@yojasmagic 4 жыл бұрын
@@TLDRnews It's no surprise people don't want it in their feeds given how obnoxious the whole discussion has become. The comments on this video are going to be a riot, a-ha.
@Quintinohthree 4 жыл бұрын
@@TLDRnews I'm glad you are not being intimidated by it. You are doing excellent work.
@PaRd_CrYpToHec 4 жыл бұрын
Gays have a whole month for remembrance, yet our soldiers have 1 day, Check wiki for a list of the pathetic number of LGBt awareness periods - highlights that an agenda is being forced upon other people
@anttibjorklund1869 4 жыл бұрын
@Rampart The opposite of "LGBTQ+" isn't normal, it's straight.
@RBuckminsterFuller 4 жыл бұрын
The 10% dislike ratio means this video was needed. Good lord. Some people just can't help hating other people.
4 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but your saying that anyone that disagrees with your point of view is wrong and can be dismissed without listening to their argument?
@axelnils 4 жыл бұрын
Earl Minime There has never been any justification for hating and discriminating against a group of people
@ThoriaBladecadas 4 жыл бұрын
@ Would love to hear a rational argument for not supporting gay rights.
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
@@axelnils are you kidding me? Rights and freedoms and civil liberties are all concepts that BELONG TO individuals, not to groups. I have every respect for everyone as an individual, but as soon as they bang on they're motivated to help a certain group of people, my respect for them is lost.
@jukebox_heroperson3994 4 жыл бұрын
@@Albimar17 damn straight
@aimeerivers 4 жыл бұрын
An absolutely fantastic video; very well researched and presented. Thank you so much for this, hugely enlightening.
@butterflysrage 4 жыл бұрын
Rights are never given, they are demanded.
@andrewfrancis3591 4 жыл бұрын
Fought for!
@axelnils 4 жыл бұрын
Halon's Razor Have you heard about the Second World War? And the American revolution?
@ThoriaBladecadas 4 жыл бұрын
@Halon's Razor 1. The US ammendments only exist because the Constitution exists, which was created following the Revolutionary War. 2. The UN only exists because of the Allies victory in WW2. 3. Gandhi fought the British. Not violently yes but it's still a fight. And he certainly was attacked. 4. Nature literally has tried to kill us since the dawn of time. Evolution's whole premise is survival of the fittest; which in itself is a fight to survive nature.
@sambland3903 4 жыл бұрын
As idubbbztv once said: ' I'm gay'
@stephensodyssey7423 4 жыл бұрын
Sam Bland as everybody else once said “so what”.
@shaesmith2831 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I think it’s important to remember those who fought for our rights and recognise that the fight continues around the world. Happy pride month everyone 🏳️🌈
@cheifwhat 4 жыл бұрын
There's a very good podcast on the subject by 99% invisible
@foxwagen9865 4 жыл бұрын
Nice, which Episode?
@anirudh_iyer 4 жыл бұрын
@@foxwagen9865 Looking at episode titles, probably episode 218
@xtcfucker 4 жыл бұрын
It started as a rave, it ended as a riot.
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
how the mighty (gays and blacks) have fallen... :)
@nicky-5731 4 жыл бұрын
That’s crazy! Pretty much they were arrested over someone else’s discretion.
@EconomicalUnicorn 4 жыл бұрын
The important history surrounding Stonewall was always inconsistent/confusing to me so its great this video nicely sums up what happened!
@LadyDoomsinger 4 жыл бұрын
For a millennial like me, this kind of history lesson is particularly important, because we can't take the rights we have today for granted, nor should we forget the struggle of the generations that came before, that have allowed a trans woman like me to live openly, and even get a legal name change to suit my gender. But more than that, it is a reminder to everyone, not just LGBTQ+ people, that change and reform does not come easy, nor will it last unless we keep speaking up when our rights are violated.
@cheifwhat 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't it largely inspired, for want of a better word, by the black rights movement in the USA that was already in full swing at that point?
@jamiemcmullan6890 4 жыл бұрын
stonewall happened in the year 1969. Nice.
@Diovanlestat 4 жыл бұрын
My birth year, and my heart is breaking because now I'm old and grey and so much wicked discrimination and hatred exists. FFS Nazi's and the KKK still walk the streets
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
@Halon's Razor Holy shit really? I guess it really does show how much your government cares when they don't care about human rights of gay people abroad, they could push countries to change but no.
@Blackholefourspam 4 жыл бұрын
Employment discrimination protection for Trans people, law enforcement accountability for black people, and justice for everyone this June!
@WTF4Photography 4 жыл бұрын
Bit disappointed with this one to be honest. Marsha, based on the accounts I've read of his own words, was not trans but a drag queen.Also, you only mention him and not name-check a couple of other key people who have been credited with key involvement, such as Sylvia Rivera or Stormé DeLarverie (who incidentally seems to be one of the main people associated with starting the riot). Certainly there are lots of differing accounts but it wouldn't have been hard for you to have name-checked a couple of them rather than just Marsha, and then incorrectly identifying him as trans.
@connormclernon26 4 жыл бұрын
Hello day of my birthday. Apparently June 28th was a day that resounded through history
@loganmacgyver2625 4 жыл бұрын
we have the parade in August in budapest
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thank you for that fact, I'm gonna work that into conversation now xD
@Leo99929 4 жыл бұрын
I learned so much from this. I didn't know the Stonewall Inn story before. Also I was alive when gay marriage was legalised, but I hadn't consciously grasped just how relatively recent the other legal rights changes were. It's staggering because today to think an LGBTQ+ person should be treated anything other than equally to everyone else is overtly bigoted. It also explains why there are still the few usually older people who hold homophobic beliefs, and sometimes their children and grandchildren too. I don't feel like hate is innate, I feel like hate is learnt. Hopefully we will cancel out the teaching of current generations and the next one will be homophobia free.
@spoopytime9928 4 жыл бұрын
This video gives me 1980s South Korea vibes. The military just massacred thousands of citizens including children who protested for democracy, that led to molotovs flying and citizens fighting back. Tear gas, tanks breaking into university campuses to stop the protests, thousands going to jail and getting tortured, and even ending up in concentration camps. The dictatorship eventually gave in and democracy started in 1987. The world's a scary place.
@Diovanlestat 4 жыл бұрын
Gives me America June 2020 vibes personally
@shannonf101 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a video on this ♡
@nicolasquijano5471 11 күн бұрын
Thank you TLDR!
@stocktonjoans 4 жыл бұрын
when you say the mob set fire to the bar are you useing "mob" to mean the protesters or as a colloquialism for the mafia owners of the place?
@CashelOConnolly 4 жыл бұрын
You can’t even spell 😂🖕
@evaahh9584 4 жыл бұрын
Radical Rainbow I believe you forgot to properly end your sentence. You see, proper grammar mandates that one must put a “full stop” at the end of each sentence. Such a symbol should appear as a small dot when in text format.
@stocktonjoans 4 жыл бұрын
@@CashelOConnolly you find one extra letter in a single word hilarious? you are one of the most pathetic people i've ever come across, and i've spent a lot of time in the youtube comments, so that's really saying something
@DanielJohnNicholson 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. As a gay teen, it's important that we learn about those who came before us and vastly improved gay rights in the Western world. There is much more to do both here and elsewhere in the world. 🏳️🌈❤️
@Sea-zu4bj 4 жыл бұрын
You guys couldn’t find a better flag, rainbows look so childish
@josephcannon3938 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sea-zu4bj with all the issues taking place in this community, the flag is what you take issue with?
@user-yz4xo7ih6m 4 жыл бұрын
Best of luck in Asia and the middle east
@frenchguitarguy1091 4 жыл бұрын
@@Sea-zu4bj jeez you're going to choose a flag to get offended by??
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
"those who CAME before us" - I see what you did there XDDDD
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and I am also delighted about the advances made by the Queen Rights Movement.
@jackwright7014 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video about chlorinated chicken on the way?
@user-ep2sh8hi8r Жыл бұрын
It's not just a parade... If you don't know your history you are doomed to repeat it..
@Matthew-yc6nx 10 ай бұрын
Nobody was killed? (Asking for Derrick)
@oliversmith9621 4 жыл бұрын
I always hear people say “why do we still have pride, gay people r equal now” and of course the only people I hear say it r straight white males
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
I mean even so, isn't it kinda just fun? It's like asking, "why do we still have st. patricks day parades" save for gay people take up a waaaay larger portion of the population.
@eksortso 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 I doubt that, seeing as there many times more people of Irish descent in the US than there are Irish people living in all of Ireland. But I'll get back to your point...
@eksortso 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 Those parades can be good fun, though they don't delve too deeply into the history of LGBT activism. Those straight white guys don't remember what it took for you to be out in the open freely. You could mention the hell that the Irish immigrants had to deal with before being embraced fully. There's a strong tie-in right there, and one that some of those straight white people can understand.
@lovableasshole 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sad to report I've met plenty of people(cis male and female) from diverse ethnic backgrounds who say the same thing. Just as there's plenty of racist gay guys. Huzzah for ignorance being intersectional.
@lovableasshole 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 the parades have devolved into corporate advertisement campaigns and endless church groups, watched by families of straight people. If pride is a party it definitely not at the parades 😅
@Mysterious_Ace Ай бұрын
We still need these movements. Everyone deserves their basic human rights. And until I can hold my partners hand and express my gender w/o risk to our safety, I will not be quiet.
@VaradMahashabde 4 жыл бұрын
Anime people : Hand holding?! So lewd US at 3:39 : Totally bro
@Sea-zu4bj 4 жыл бұрын
Still lewd in the right countries lol
@VaradMahashabde 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 I am sorry sir, but I think you are completely misunderstanding my comment as being homophobic. I assure you, it is just an anime injoke
@axelnils 4 жыл бұрын
Winnie the Poo Flu Being disgusted by someone else’s sexuality is not natural. Many animals display homosexuality, but homophobia only exists in humans. People have to be taught to hate “the gays”, just like hating people of another race/ethnicity.
@SylviaRustyFae 4 жыл бұрын
As a gay; It is very much worth pointing out the similarities between and comparing Stonewall and the current BLM movement. Cause if ya compare them youll notice that a lot of the non-LGBTQ+ people that were there were Black Panthers and other black people and other minorities. Minorities have to stick together and be allies to each other and it is worth remembering that every time any of ours have affected real change it has come thru minorities putting their other fights for rights off for a while to demand the rights of another minority in a time when we can all come together behind that singular fight. And with enough of us banding together the majority cishet and not poor white people eventually hear us and cause our cause is just; they come out to support all of us. But none of us have gotten the support of that majority without first banding together with other minorities; and oftentimes we have to fight their fights first. But the thing is, every fight is our fight, bcuz every fight brings us closer to winning this war. And this war can be won, but only by all of us coming together and proving that we are truly strongest together.
@SylviaRustyFae 4 жыл бұрын
The bribes werent meant to stop.the raids. They were meant to allow them some warning before they happen. The raid that led to stonewall was given no warning.
@SylviaRustyFae 4 жыл бұрын
As a trans person; FUCK THE MATTACHINE SOCIETY. Sure, they got some things right and did some good, but GLF and the rest showed up to replace MS bcuz of how horribly wrong their beliefs were. The Mattachines wanted gay people to integrate into society and to toe the line and to be the model citizen; in both how they acted and how they dressed. They hated any gay person who "flaunted" their gayness and were very much against any "men" being femme in any way or the lesbians wearing pants even 9.9 These people thought the only solution was to adapt the way of the straights. Fuck that so much.
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
both are funded by soros, yes we all already know that, thanks.
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
@@SylviaRustyFae "all us queers can be a gay still bcuz words are weird" - words are weird, folks! Says the person describing itself as "a genderfae nonbinary woman and a sapphic panromantic demisexual..." Yeah right! Sorry but to me describing oneself as such is no different from elon musk describing his children with the names which could be good names for his assfly spaceships...
@88888888tiago 4 жыл бұрын
Happy pride month fellow humans. It is me, the corporation. I too am gay, as you can see by my merch. I care deeply about your cause. Please, buy my merch. Also, like, comment and share this video. Subscribe to my channel. Screw other much more important causes and world problems (refugees, minorities, unemployment, climate change). We stand with you as long you give us money.
@beamking 4 жыл бұрын
Happy Pride
@cardboardbox191 4 жыл бұрын
I'm confused if bars where shut down for serving gay people how come gay people could sue them when they didn't?
@weewooilookjustlikebuddyho2927 4 жыл бұрын
What
@cardboardbox191 4 жыл бұрын
@@weewooilookjustlikebuddyho2927 by the sound of things they weren't allowed to serve gay people but gay people could sue them if they didn't serve them. Have I got that right because it sounds abit mad.
@hostishumanigeneris4472 4 жыл бұрын
Please keep rioting so this can escalate.
@GuffGuffGuffy 4 жыл бұрын
Discrimination stems from insecurity
@LadyDoomsinger 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 Because it served a purpose 10000 years ago. Step into the 21st century please.
@fionafiona1146 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 do you need to be disgusted by penicillin?
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
"Discrimination stems from insecurity" - by the logic, our motivation in life should be to become disrespected and belittled more and more so that we can keep fighting for it to keep getting it back?! I would think hardly any straight person is insecure because unlike gay couple they can bear children for instance... So that argument is invalid.
@bojomay2952 4 жыл бұрын
I actually loved this video even though I am straight. The LGBT community has gone through so much!
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
LOL i found you
@Sea-zu4bj 4 жыл бұрын
Winnie the Poo Flu it’s normal they will claim superiority later. Any opinions against them backed by any ounce of reason is blocked
@LadyDoomsinger 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 First, we wanted to not be arrested for our sexual preference or identity, then we wanted to be allowed to marry like any other couple, and to be referred to by the pronoun with which we self-identify, and now we want to teach the young generations that tolerance is a good thing. Oh, the horror we impose on straight people.
@tomasroma2333 4 жыл бұрын
Winnie the Poo Flu control of the language! 😂 That’s right. The gays control the dictionary.
@jackjack3344 4 жыл бұрын
Sea there are no opinions against us that are backed by reason because homophobia is totally unreasonable. There is literally no single argument against the LGBTQ+ community that can be described as ‘reasonable’
@Not_Beijee 4 жыл бұрын
Yo
@Systemicyco01 4 жыл бұрын
Being gay, the act of homosexuality was illegal in most states until 2003 when the US Supreme Court made it legal nationwide in the case Lawrence v. Texas. This case overturned Bowers v. Hardwick from 1986 which sanctioned states banning homosexual behaviour and activities.
@chanm9652 4 жыл бұрын
Trans and black people helped? Is that general sweep of black people? Or specifically black gay and/ or black trans? Not sure it is clear in the video.
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
I think it was a side note, you can always do further reading if you would like.
@awesomelyshorticles 4 жыл бұрын
I think the stonewall riots are very comparable because it was also in response to police brutality.
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
And yet some people are calling TLDR homophobic, like why, how does that help your cause?!?
@connorbredall3112 4 жыл бұрын
There are many differences between the Stonewall riots and the riots based on George Floyd's death. The Stonewall riots happened because the rioters were people that resisted arrest as the police officers were intending to arrest them due to their sexuality due to the time period in the US being a lot less tolerant of the LGBTQ+ population. Many of the riots based on George Floyd's death were not them resisting arrested for their race, gender, sexuality, etc., but instead them rioting because George Floyd died at the hands of police. Such police are being charged for George Floyd's death. Even if they weren't charged, the riots based on George Floyd's death are not justified simply because two wrongs don't make a right. The rioters of the Stonewall riots didn't have much of a choice in the matter, so their riots were a lot more excusable. Also, a difference between the LGBTQ+ rights movement and the current Black Lives Matter movement is that the former is more justified because at the time, as you explain in this video, being LGBTQ+ was illegal, whereas the latter is less justified as discrimination based on race has been made illegal since the Civil Rights Acts of 1964.
@tacosmexicanstyle7846 4 жыл бұрын
Do you really think that a discrimination act actually stopped any discrimination from police? The entire point is that police think they’re keepers of the law and above the law, so they will do whatever they want. That hurts principally minority groups such as black people... They don’t care about some act from 1964.
@connorbredall3112 4 жыл бұрын
@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 "Do you really think that a discrimination act actually stopped any discrimination from police?" Anyone who thinks they have been discriminated against can sue or charge an officer with a hate crime. "The entire point is that police think they’re keepers of the law and above the law, so they will do whatever they want." If they were above the law they would never be convicted of crimes where the punishment severely affected them, and I know there have been events where that happened so if you want me to provide examples, ask.
@danielsteinberg7416 4 жыл бұрын
What's about US space race breakthrough happened nearly the same time?
@fionafiona1146 4 жыл бұрын
What about soviet gender equality milestones? That's not currently the topic and might eventually fit into some other video.
@AZ-74 4 жыл бұрын
Not recent news and already knew this from watching a similar video years ago
@ReecePudding 4 жыл бұрын
What did you expect from reading the title of the video?
@billyfox6368 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think that there's still institutionalised homophobia? Obviously, it's still present in individuals, but I'm just curious what people think; please don't infer that I'm saying that it's not there, though. Entirely, I just wonder whether people still consider there to be a bias against LGBTQ+ on a societal level.
@josephcannon3938 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 copy and pasted comment.... Maybe evolve some intelligence
@vania7302 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 As an evolutionary researcher, let me say just because something is evolved, does not mean we shouldn't fight our biases and recognise when our primitive psychology is taking over. Rape under resource-scarce environments is also evolved but you dont' see anyone justifying it. Sexual orientation is also roughly 50% due to either genetics or in-utero development so if you want to use the natural argument, non heterosexuality is also greatly natural. Please don't use evolutionary theory and determinism to justify your disgust to LGBTQ+ people. This is why our field has such a bad reputation.
@saltypork101 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 Reported as spam.
@CashelOConnolly 4 жыл бұрын
Damn right there is!
@CashelOConnolly 4 жыл бұрын
Winnie the Poo Flu yup I’m disgusted by you because of your decaying brain
@roeldejong9297 4 жыл бұрын
279th! almost first!
@roeldejong9297 4 жыл бұрын
but it was the 6th comment so well done me
@nicholasrevill6610 4 жыл бұрын
Well done
@MasterWhimp 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see TLDR 'like' comments, forfeiting their impartiality. Seems like they have some skin in this game. Pleasantly surprised.
@MasterWhimp 4 жыл бұрын
@@bracco23 you protend as if every man wants an equal society.
@brunovilela3619 4 жыл бұрын
master wimp 4 sure
@Cunnysmythe 4 жыл бұрын
They've liked pro remain comments too and Jack has made a few statements about being gay and why he sees Pride as still being important
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think supporting gay peoples human rights is forfeiting impartiality. But yeah, it's nice to see they have the stones to lose subs but also they could've gone the path of more subtly bringing homophones over to our side.
@tacosmexicanstyle7846 4 жыл бұрын
Cunnysmythe I don’t think any educated individual who matters is out here arguing that pride is not important or that equality is bad, though. Jack being part of a community also means that he can report first hand experience on what is or isn’t the thing in that community, too. A lot of news reporting isn’t all that factual but rather human and perspective driven.
@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts 3 жыл бұрын
More political violence.
@jennyj0007 4 жыл бұрын
This was an informative video. It looks like there was police brutality there too. None one is safe from those fascists.
@86Corvus 4 жыл бұрын
when you protest and police is beating you - you are winning. when you riot, loot and police is still leanient with you - you are loosing.
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
Quote by Martin Looter King?
@richardthompson7779 4 жыл бұрын
Isnt it about time you focused on the clear direction of the Uk towards herd immunity and screw the number of consequent deaths? How about a travel restriction comparison between countries ? How about some aspect of comparison of politlcal position vs impact of COVID ? Seems like right wing populists cannot cope with their ego not being in complete control of the country, so we have the recklessness of the USA, Brazil and the UK. There is more to be done in depth.
@bingbong7912 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a bot or what? Go comment this on a related video not one about pride
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
I don't like how the word ''Gay'' is being used. back then Gay used to be called happy. now it's being used for a homosexual term please tell me how did it changed? please note that this comment is not in any attake agianst the LGBT+ community i'm just curious.
@DanielJohnNicholson 4 жыл бұрын
I would say that it started to be used as a slur against homosexuals so it kinda got owned as a show of pride. It's the same situation with queer, which used to (and still does) mean something unusual or strange.
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
@@DanielJohnNicholson was homosexuality popular in the 1920s-30s?
@0xCAFEF00D 4 жыл бұрын
@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial Homosexuality is ancient and is not something people choose. It's not really accurate to consider it popular or not unless there's some underlying cause you can identify that waxes and wains. It's just about how much of it is expressed. And that's probably where gay comes from if I had to guess (not an expert, like you). A description of effeminate or happy/gay men. The presentation of gayness some have. You have to remember that it wasn't always alright to be rude in general. Cursing publicly was for very low class people. Could also have something to do with libel laws. I don't remember the phrase but there's something media can't say about people because it implies they're drunk when it was originally used to avoid lawsuits. You can easily imagine how calling someone homosexual VS gay would have same protective effect.
@Diovanlestat 4 жыл бұрын
@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial Yes of course. Pick up a copy of "Berlin Stories" which produced the musical "Cabaret" or go even earlier and find an biography on Oscar Wilde, (19th century) which will always contain rich descriptions of the underground homosexual scene. I don't know about the USA because of its purtain nature , but there is so much recordeded gay history in the UK and Europe. Look at the writings of John Wilmot (2nd Earl of Rochester) from the 17th century, or find information on the a Cambridge Five of the UK 1930's. The history of gay people and the hidden societies they were forced to create is fascinating and often produces moments of creativity and art. Like the "War on Drugs" now, governments ban and people ignore, you just have to know where to look.
@paranoid97_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial well, it did exist. Ancient Rome and Greece famously had a lot of homosexuality, and they were thousands of years ago.
@balayanr 4 жыл бұрын
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@Cunnysmythe 4 жыл бұрын
This felt like hijacking someone else's political cause to push your own If you're planning to cover both issues you should have covered the other one first
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
How is this hijacking? Whats their cause? The only criticism I could make is this is them running out of ideas.
@Cunnysmythe 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 @ Piggybacking off of social disorder stemming from racism to push LGBT issues, which is the primary political cause you see this channel promote It's tonedeaf and opportunistic They deleted my original comment while I was editing it so it must have something to it
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cunnysmythe Sorry to burst your bubble but fighting for people equal rights isn't an agenda it's very widely accepted.
@Alex-fv2qs 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, it's literally Pride Month
@Cunnysmythe 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 You've ignored the substance of what I've said to trumpet "Good things are good, bigot" and not to engage with what I've actually said, at no point did I suggest that LGBT were issues unpopular or shouldn't be promoted.
@necromanticer169 4 жыл бұрын
Marsha was a gay man. Why are you calling him a transwoman? He called himself 'he'. Drag doesn't make you trans... this is really gross.
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
I think TLDR made a mistake, calling it gross is unfair, just point it out, like "to my knowledge he refered to himself as "he"" I don't think anymore is nessesary. Thats a small detail and isn't significant to the overall, story? I guess.
@paranoid97_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 I maybe reading a little too far in to the original comment, but it is a thing that many transphobes use "transwoman" (a noun) rather than "trans woman" (an adjective). And coupled with the content of the original comment, I think it's safe to say they're pretty transphobic.
@tacosmexicanstyle7846 4 жыл бұрын
Our concept of gender and sexuality has advanced so far that we can describe things in the past that weren’t necessarily called that way at the time; Marsha’s expression was non-binary, they would probably identify as at least ‘gender non-conforming’ if not a trans woman if they were alive today. Marsha using he/him pronouns is literally irrelevant because doing anything else at the time was illegal; people wouldn’t risk changing their pronouns. Drag doesn’t make you trans but everything else that we know about Marsha tells us that they (or she) was not a gay man. I feel like you don’t know shit about what you’re on about lol, you got it so laughably wrong...
@necromanticer169 4 жыл бұрын
@@tacosmexicanstyle7846 I'm intrigued. I don't agree that history shows he was not a gay man. What makes you so certain of the contrary?
@TheBigThinker944 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing about black people or their struggle? And they wonder why ppl out in the streets
@TLDRnews 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure you watched the whole video... as we explicitly call out the fight of black activists during the video - Jack
@ryanhenderson3446 4 жыл бұрын
Marsha want trans he was a gay transvestite he never said he was transgender. He said he was a gay man
@nomsey10 4 жыл бұрын
Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
@fabdi8559 4 жыл бұрын
Your opinion is not important
@eksortso 4 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for Christian and other religious LGBT folks who have to put up with jagoffs like this within their congregations.
@paranoid97_ 4 жыл бұрын
Ah but do you know that for sure?
@nomsey10 4 жыл бұрын
@@paranoid97_ yes please look at your mother and father, is one male and the other female ? Since the human race began its been male and female why change now? it also goes against science and evolution if you believe in that.
@tacosmexicanstyle7846 4 жыл бұрын
Nomzey Ali Your religion comes from Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome and Paganism... all of which emphasised sexual relationships among and between men, women and others in ways that religion says are wrong. That includes homosexuality, polyamory, everything you hate. Since the beginning of time’ ahahhahahahahahahahaha fuck that. What a sad life you live in if you think that the goal of human existence and human relationships is to procreate.
@Jigachader 4 жыл бұрын
i didnt know tldr supported the crazed lgbtqs :/
@Ellipsis115 4 жыл бұрын
Crazed?
@jukebox_heroperson3994 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ellipsis115 Yes.
@TheDethBringer666 4 жыл бұрын
sounds less like a n educational video and more like a hostage one lol
@comparethequeercat 4 жыл бұрын
Despite what some people are saying, not all of the dislikes are from homophobes, a decent amount are from gay people, like myself, who disagree with the comparison between stonewall and the riots currently occurring, stonewall didn't ruin peoples lives, stonewall didn't involve arson, its borderline homophobic to make this sort of comparison
@transon6655 4 жыл бұрын
yes
@tacticalidiots2340 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't watched the entire video but aren't they making this because it's pride month?
@TLDRnews 4 жыл бұрын
Noone is making a comparison between the two. In the first 20 seconds this is something that I clarify, it's just interesting to see how protests and riots impact civil rights - Jack
@awesomelyshorticles 4 жыл бұрын
As a gay person, im not so sure you can really make a distinction. Who can really say what actions will emerge from a forceful resistance against oppression? Given enough time and force, im sure the same wouldve happened at stonewall. Besides, i think what is more comparable is what came after: national attention (at least within the queer community) that led to local organizations and stronger activism.
@comparethequeercat 4 жыл бұрын
@@TLDRnews Really? Considering how quickly you upload regarding current events, this was absolutely made in the last week and was probably either a sort of comment on the riots or cashing in on them
@nathan-iz2bq 4 жыл бұрын
I'm all for LGBT rights and i have no problem with LGBT people, but do they really need a month? Why do soldiers only have a day? Edit: before you tell me may for for remembering soldiers, that's only in the USA it's got global
@xhshdd7113 4 жыл бұрын
It's may, the month you're looking for is may, maybe if you cared about the military as much as you did trying to tear down LGBT+ people, and I'd guess other minorities you'd know that
@DanielJohnNicholson 4 жыл бұрын
It's a month during which a Pride parade in your area may take place. It's not a whole month of continuous Pride celebrations. In fact, having a singular day for all Pride parades would be better imo so we don't have massive corporations taking advantage of us LGBTQ+ folk for a whole month.
@nathan-iz2bq 4 жыл бұрын
@@xhshdd7113 okay, calm down. 1. May is only for the USA, it's not global. Reminds me how self contained Americans are. and 2. I am not a trump supporter I do not have minorities or LGBT people
@CashelOConnolly 4 жыл бұрын
nathan ormiston if people want a month of remembrance there’s nothing stopping them
@paranoid97_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@pussieswillneverbeheroes6019 Go away homophobe.
@86Corvus 4 жыл бұрын
So you have equality under the law, marriage has been granted, time to end the movement? Oh wait its too profitable.
@TLDRnews 4 жыл бұрын
Probably also the fact that only about 20% of countries offer those rights and that of those who don't some still imprison or kill those found 'guilty' of being LGBTQ+. Or maybe to defend the thousands of LGBTQ+ harassed every day in every country (especially trans people). Or maybe the fact that LGBTQ+ children are significantly more likely (around 4x) to find themselves homeless after being kicked out by their parents. The idea that everything's sorted is (unfortunately) a total delusion - Jack
@DanielJohnNicholson 4 жыл бұрын
I know people, especially those who identify as trans or non-binary, who have been kicked out by their parents because of who they are. The delusion that we have full equality is total bs, especially outside Western Europe and the Americas.
@Albimar17 4 жыл бұрын
@@TLDRnews why then isn't there such a movement in Saudi Arabia for instance (or any other country where it's needed), but it's overpresent in America and Europe (where it's no longer needed)? Doesn't make any sense to me...
@Albimar17 3 жыл бұрын
@Michael Arnold if I belonged to lgbtpqia+ community and it infringed on what I did in *private space* as any sexual activity should be had regardless of our sexuality? YES.
@stephensodyssey7423 4 жыл бұрын
Shame on those who are selfishly making this about their own politics. This is about George Floyd.
@TLDRnews 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if you're implying that's what we're trying to do, but if you were please let me make clear that's not our intention. As I said in the intro we've already made a video on the Floyd protests and were releasing another later today. This video is intended to give historic context to the riots, to discuss another civil rights story, explaining how riots have historically been used as a way to find progress. It's not intended to take away from any other movement or sweep away anyone else's pain, instead we wanted to provide a beacon of hope for where this could lead - Jack
@stephensodyssey7423 4 жыл бұрын
TLDR News Oh no! I’m expressing how I feel about the various *insert cause here* riots. We all have a right to feel upset about what happened. Respectfully, this is not about my politics. I do feel rage towards a particular individual- not a particular race, and not a particular profession. This seems reasonable and appropriate.
@bennett2874 4 жыл бұрын
Stephens Odyssey It is politics? Police brutality and issues is such a neglected issue and the way the system works in america where it keeps the poor in a loop hole
@Diovanlestat 4 жыл бұрын
@Rampart A cat fell out if the tree at the junction of chipping Norton, why didn't you save it rampart? My mother died due to state negligence, where was you Rampart, why didn't you protest, why didn't you save yer life.? The police beat me up, hid me from my family, then left me vunerable with no way to get home. WHERE THE HELL WAS YOU RAMPART? Don't you care about my suffering , why aren't you protesting for me?
@stephensodyssey7423 4 жыл бұрын
Shadow man Is it politics? No, I’d say it isn’t. So why are people making it into an “insert cause here” protest? It’s gay rights? it’s anti-trump?twats.
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