No, lots of people literally want MacOS on iPadOS, hence… this video. I agree iPadOS should, in certain ways, be more like MacOS. But iPadOS is ultimately optimized for the touch experience, while MacOS isn’t.

@@mlx39996 It's not like you can't have two different interfaces, one for touch and one for kb/m. Windows 10 did it.

i think apple needs to move in more mac os style features in ipad os with still a tone of tablet features it’s a computer they say but can’t do thing i would on my mac book

@@wta1518 and windows's touch interface is terrible. see, what youre referring to is a touchscreen mac. but thats not what the ipad is. the ipad isnt macos tablet mode, and its not what its designed to be

@@mlx39996 I never said that Windows' touch interface was good, I was just saying that it's possible to have multiple interfaces.

they could solve this with sideloading, not that they ever will, at least not by choice.

Which is why Apple will never allow MacOS on the iPad. MacOS allows traditional software acquisition channels where Apple just provides the hardware and OS, possibly a licensed feature or API, , where IOS / iPadOS app store means Apple gets to steal a 30% cut of all app vendor revenue. Ya'll are looking at this backwards. What's really going to happen is that Apple will eventually dump MacOS on the desktop / laptops and branch a desktop iPadOS which will then allow Apple to theive 30% of that software revenue as well. Mark my words, Apple is determined to replicate their IOS app store model across every product line they have, finish walling off those gardens and ensure all software companies pay for the privilege of selling software, subscriptions or services to all Apple product users.

@@racerex340 macOS already has the App Store

yout got a heat from Jonathan .. dude

@@danielleone8801 Just throw it in a trash, out of sight of mind.

I use it for everything. -Maybe 8 hours a day. Learning languages, taking notes for lectures, watching lectures, watching videos, managing my digital life, programm on it, play on it, shop on it. Still I am disappointed, that I cannot write iOS applications on it, because XCode is only available for MacOS. I just hate my MacBook.

@@antman7673 damn, you should be my lost brother or something because I hate mine one too

It sounds like you need an e-ink device instead of an iPad.

And just like that we have windows 8 lol

@@jasonlast7091 Yeah sure but its windows 8 but with apples general polish.

I just want to able to choose what I want on my device not other people saying: you don’t need this. I love the iPad but when I have a 300$ keyboard it better gets MacOs as an option. And after 2 years the iPad Pro still isnt a "pro" device just an iPad on steroids.

This is exactly what Galaxy Tabs do when they're attached to a keyboard and mouse or a laptop case. The iPad needs its own DeX mode

@@jasonlast7091 windows 8 actually worked genuinely decently on tablets, the reason why it was bad was because microsoft forced it on desktop users

So in other words, Windows 8 Metro UI.

@@evildude109 Was metro ui a polished, streamline interface with about a decade of constant iterations?

@@evildude109 uhhhmmm no🤓

I think I'd rather just buy a Steam Deck than an iPad tbh

@@yeetsupYT They're completely different devices. My point is that the steam Deck is primarily a gaming device, with an optimized os and ui meant for the use case it's for. You can use a full on desktop ui/os if you want, but it's not optimal if you don't have a keyboard and mouse, but it's there if you want/need the extra functionality. IPad doesn't need to just have iPad os anymore, it basically has the same hardware as the MacBooks. I know it's not as simple as slapping the iPad ui on Mac os, but if Valve had the resources to do so, so can Apple

I don’t think they can add anything like coding as an app with iPads. The way IPadOS works, is that every single app is sandboxed, so something as complex as that might be different or difficult.

@@Thewaterspirit57 you’re right, but there are still ways to facilitate this. They can sandbox the built app in a simulator and give the IDE a debug interface into it. It will not be perfect to begin with, but it’ll be a start they can iterate over.

I'm not sure cause I don't have ipad, but vscode has a remote feature which you can connect into through a browser, it may work as a fully featured IDE

@@Haisui there are a lot of good enough IDEs and editors. The main problem I’m raising here is that most software development flows are multi-tasked by design, and these are not flows that are easily replicated on an iPad even though there exists a very good app for most specific tasks in that flow.

then go and watch an apple centric channel then............ you sad sad sad little apple user..

i prefer editing on a 42inch oled than hunched over a tiny screen

@@steviegbcool some people don't have the money or space for that, and an ipad can have multiple uses in one box

@@BadMotivator66 you could get a pretty good laptop and monitor for the same price as a new ipad pro 1tb

@@steviegbcool true, but not as portable. perhaps someone needs a tablet to maybe draw or photo edit, along with a pc for video calls, or audio production, etc. one device that's portable for all.

Well pro is often just a marketing term meaning it’s the device that has the best features (in the case of the iPad it’s quad speakers, 120hz pro motion, mini LED on the bigger size) It just means the best device in its range

I think this is where the major frustration is i.e. Apple claims in all their ipad pro presentations that its the IPAD FOR THE PROFESSIONALS, yet they deliver a product which is just a PLUS size of normal ipad. And Having a mini led display doesn't help any professional outside colour correction profession, apple desperately needs to either correct their marketing or their product.

@@Isengardtom Exactly. Much like the Pro pods, a sound guy would not buy those things for the recording studio. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Definitely consider the iPad Pro for the "prosumer" (in most cases). Everyone I know that has an iPad Pro uses it for exactly the same things you can do on the cheapest, base model iPad... just the Pro feels "nicer" to use.

The vast majority of iPads sold are not iPad Pros but regular iPad or iPad Air or mini and are used for content consumption.

Yes sadly this channel tried reviewing dex without an external monitor, a keyboard or a mouse. Just played around with it natively on a tablet and was "Meh, I like iPad better." It was so frustrating

Agree! DeX isn't even perfect but I find it so useful at times when I have to manage a lot of windows and Android apps at the same time.

Nah Dex sucks. Floating arbitrarily resizable windows are a terrible idea that needs to die

I agree. I would only need one device for 90 percent of work.

I miss Linux on DeX. Containers in your phone! Brief, magical time in Galaxy history.

Don't use it often but the times I have its been great for basic tasks like word processing, email, etc. Certainly beats stage manager.

Yep. That's what people want, to be able to use an external monitor off the iPhone and run a desktop OS UI. It doesn't have to be macOS but that would be ideal as there is so much already available for macOS. Or for a tablet, to be able to do that or run the UI on the tablet screen and connecting a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Unfortunately, we all know the main reason they haven't done this is likely because they want to pressure people to have to buy more of their hardware. Their laptop and desktop sales would likely decline if people could run a desktop OS off their phones and tablets. It just really sucks that they may avoid doing this for as long as possible.

DeX is great for when you want to get some work done or need multiple windows open. And while you can have pop-up windows open and enable a feature in the settings to allow for a window function in regular tablet mode and the taskbar is an option now, there's just something about standard DeX mode

I have a Samsung tablet and I've never tried the dex but it looks really cool

This will not happen. Apple doesn't do things like that.

inb4 “put bash/zsh on iPad” 😅 but yeah, I totally agree that it’s not helpful as a device for developers

Yeah but then again its probably also not apples intended market. Most of the marketing is geared towards creative professionals like video/audio editors and the like.

@@jackedup447 Sure. Though it seems a bit strange to me that this intended market doesn't include developing apps for the iPad itself, when they offer an M2 processor in a 13 inch tablet with a keyboard dock that surely could be perfectly suitable for that if they let you do it. And then for the most part I can use Windows, macOS, or Linux for any professional or non-professional purpose. So the iPad is artificially limited and only suitable for certain things, it doesn't really make sense to talk about it as a replacement or alternative to a real computer in any general sense. Even if it's a useful tool for certain things. But it also *could* be suitable for all of this. If the keyboard dock works well enough the 13 inch iPad pro could be a totally fine Laptop replacement with an unrestricted OS. Presumably the M2 chip should be able to drive dual external monitors (not sure if the iPad allows this currently) so it could be docked and work as a desktop. And performance should be good enough for most things. But Apple doesn't let you do that. Probably to ensure they can keep making revenue from the app store and in-app purchases more than any philosophical or design concern. So the iPad doesn't seem particularly useful to me personal, even though it *could* be if Apple *let* it be.

True. A handy SSH device in a pinch, sure. Maybe even quick edits in a browser based editor. But a full blown development environment, probably not there yet.

@@ids1024 y e p. I absolutely agree. With how great the SDK is on macs im suprised that they decided to not at least include a XCode app for iOS aswell, but they seem to want to segment developers for macos/Ios to specifically MacOS based devices instead.

this is basically what apple is going for on their macos

so real for this

new setting seems def suspicious lol

This, but unironically. I use MacOS every day and have for the past 6 years (minus a few days here and there), and I can assure you, it's built on a pile of spaghetti code that they're never going to fix and won't improve upon. It's beyond frustrating, and just starting over (ie, IpadOS) would be better. I've seen the Linux DE's beat out macOS in these 6 years. There's no reason Apple couldn't.

Some people just want to see the world burn

The today view was most definitely better, I had to arrange my widgets perfectly so that my home screen didn't look like a mess when I rotated it...

@@NcLax5 you know you can move widgets/apps in vertical and horizontal mode independently of each other? Like you can have widget/app in the left right corner when in horizontal mode and in right bottom corner when in vertical mode if you want to

@@Temac000 Yeah I knew this, it was just horribly awkward to figure out the first time when the update came out! It actually even still messes itself up after updates every now and then too.

Exactly, many professionals don't work with video, and for all of those the iPad is still just an iPad that we have to ditch aside when it's time too work

This applies to every tech review on youtube these days. I don't care about benchmarks i'll never use. I want real world battery tests? camera tests? can it game? are the speakers good or shit? etc. I don't care about the geekbench score or what it does in blender as i'd imagine 95% of people buying tech aren't using these products to make "content".

This!!! When I say iPad needs macOS, I mean the ability to run full IDEs and a Terminal to help me develop software anywhere on-the-go!!! No reason why it cannot given M2 and the Magic Keyboard...yet the iPad is useless as a standalone development device!!!

The issue here is if these apps are using the system text rendering or using thier own. MS are using thier own and that would be find if they put any effort into making it work on iPadOS but they don't, just the DPI along creates issues for it.

ms word is ass because microsoft wants you to use the surface.

The HUGE shining star of the Mac IS it's full featured Office products. Having been a previous MS Office user since it's FIRST version and fed up with it's bugs, using Pages and Numbers was an instant pure joy for me. Numbers and Pages are HUGE advantages that Apple has over any other product, and it's included in the MacBook! But I don't like the fact that it's NOT the same full featured product under IOS. Apple missed the boat there, which is why IOS needs to be dumped.

I think you would love an OS terminal app to launch MacOS through a vm within ipad OS

Virtual Mac OS on the iPad is the answer just so you can run Mac software if you need to. Parallels?

@@jakesullivan9179 Terminal? No, emulator.

that would be amazing to use, especially when you could just plug your ipad in, and work on your projects with a large monitor and a keyboard and mouse, then unplug your ipad when you need to go somewhere and even still work on your projects, with the added bonus of being able to use your apple pencil

Well that’s basically already here with Stage Manager no? You can set it so that it is enabled on the external monitor and not the iPad itself.

That would reduce the sales of Mac mini and MacBooks.

@@andreaszweili8593I have both an iPad Pro m1 and a Samsung tab, and trust me, Dex blows stage manager out of the water when it comes to actually being a desktop replacement

Yeah I imagine that would work better. Especially because Android is more flexible in general. However it’s not like the iPad is unusable. I just worked a whole day on the iPad it was quite doable. Granted most of it was remote via SSH but was doable.

Thing is that I'm not buying a MacBook, but the iPad is a compelling form factor enough to consider it. So it just cannibalizes _all_ sales (at least for me).

Apple realy does not care about cannibalizing thier own product sales, otherwise they would have never let you listen to music on the iPhone. They understand better than most companies that it is much better to self cannibalize than to sit back and leave a good idea> iPads running macOS would not impact Mac sales at all, after all once you add a keyboard case with trackpad to an iPad and add the additional battery to make it be able to run macOS and have the same batter life the iPad setup would in fact cost users more and make apple a lot more margin as the accessories are way higher margin than the hardware.

@@johnolin learn to read

Honestly, if you're going to reprogram IOS to operate like a MAC, why not use the same software and just modify the UI. Lack of the superior Finder, which is tightly integrated in the MacOS, IS what's missing from IOS.

Nah. We should be able to switch interfaces but I think macOS on it would just defeat the entire purpose of it. If you want to us macOS then you might as well get a MacBook. It’s literally a docked iPad.

@@DrakeDaraitis…Without the Apple Pencil, a wonderful art tool I would like to use.

Exactly. MacOS is much closer to a full experience than iPadOS is. Adding pencil and touch support to MacOS is so much less work than fixing all the artificial barriers Apple put in place in iPadOS. Ideally, for a period, Apple should give people *gasp*, a choice!

They should make iPadOS a touch optimised version of MacOS, with the same suite of desktop programs available on a Mac. Apple could make a serious Microsoft surface tablet competitor with the iPad Pro, considering the main benefit of that compared to iPads/Galaxy Tabs is that it runs a full desktop operating system

It feels like he’s making the same an argument in a similar vain of those against allowing side loading. Giving the user more choice doesn’t mean removing pre-existing options or forcing a user to use other ones.

Now we're talking!

YES!

I'm going to say we need XCode to be burned in a dumpster

You know whatll fix that? Macos 🙄

Now imagine, you had 25GB more storage (that's about 1$ in cost), and could dual-boot your device 😄. I with Apple would be more open to such things, and just allow them.

I think those are issues that can be solved _within_ iPadOS.

@@AntonioNoack 25GB sounds like a misery in an iPad, and I can't see the benefit of dual booting on any device that is not a computer.

@ It’s what I’m trying to say. iPadOS just needs to take some notes from macOS and some quality of life updates.

No that’s basically the same idea. It needs a full MacOS but add a tablet mode to keep the UI feeling when it’s portable. iPadOS and MacOS need to combine not be one or the other.

programs shouldn't neet to get made for another os. there are two fine phone operating systems and two fine mainstream productivity operating systems. should be enought

I can even sculpt the base overall shapes of my models on nomad (I don't have an m2, just the 10th gen with first gen apple pencil) so I can't take my model all the way, but I can easily transfer it onto my pc and take it the rest of the way on there if I need to. There are still some things I wish were seamless. I would kill for something like windows without borders (or vastly superior synergy), taking my mouse and keyboard right to the iPad by moving my mouse to the edge of my last monitor. I do that for my mobile studio pro 16, and it let's me use my keyboard for functions as I'm working with the Wacom pen. I absolutely love it.

Oh my god you guys have been typing this on every single one of these Mac Address vids since the channel was created lmao. Give it a rest.

@@tiestofalljays He is fishing for subs.

Vm app that runs macOS

Wouldn't that kill macbooks tho at least The Air?

Yes! Especially MacOS with all of the iPads touch features combined into one is what we need

Right! Allow the screen to fold back so you can use it as a touchscreen tablet, or, make the keyboard detachable.

VS code for ipad is currently in the works its called VScode server, I had one of the betas and it was pretty good. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p5imnK2Evt-vmaM.html&ab_channel=VisualStudioCode - here's the offical video for it.

Keyboard cases exist

@@jomsies ipad is a tablet , not a laptop.Their usecase is focused around touchscreen experience

there already is, its called UTM

People still think that not only Apple won't cripple the sideloaded apps, but allow bootloader access? Cute

@@MaxRovensky EXACTLY. And don’t even get me started on the fact that that is piracy.

and then you can run parallels inside of macOS in iOS on an ipad. I'd love to see how long the battery life would last in that scenario along with how much CPU/RAM and such it would all take up 😂

@@MaxRovensky and then the EU is coming after them.

I don't think that's a good idea. Mac Apps are not optimised for using iPad hardware, they won't know how to deal with touchscreen or pencil.

Windows apps run just fine with touchscreen, pen, or mouse, or all three combined. I think Apple could make it work if they wanted to.

"People can walk backwards, so they should"

It sounds like you aren’t familiar with Apple products.

I don't believe just because it can, doesn't mean it shud

I don’t think Apple is ever going to do so, unless iPad sales go down (which has gone up Q1-23). I want iPadOS to get better, macOS with touch doesn’t work all that well.

Yeah even the iPhone should run MacOS cause it’s powerful enough to do so

As a MacBook that'd be a terrible idea due to how much more space the keyboard half of the device takes up compared to the iPad Magic Keyboard. You'd be better off making it a 2-in-1, and as someone who's used those in the past, I can tell you that they come with their own flaws. A desktop Mac though? Like an iMac? Now you're talking; that'd be like a Microsoft Surface Studio, and with how much more robust macOS and the Apple Pencil are with art, that'd be a very interesting proposition indeed.

It would never happen because Apple is afraid it would cannibalize the sales of iPads (specifically Pro models).

@@sodapone oh yeah, with an “easel stand” that’d be sick. iPads already eat into smaller Cintiq sales, but the bigger ones are still somewhat unique (Surface Studio aside)

Then there would be 0 incentive to improve iPadOS, and no software devs who make interesting desktop class apps (like Resolve) would be interested in putting any time into iPadOS an figuring out the work needed to rebuild your entier UI for touch (this is what takes time). And that time is not time coding but time at a whiteboard or on paper working out what a good UX for touch is when you have 20+ years of indirect mouse input expirance in your app.

@@hishnash it shouldn’t be iPad or MacOS. It should be both. Combined would be like MacOS apps have more room to add features without making and managing a WHOLE NEW app. Just add to the apps they made already. Easier to add than start from scratch when computers are so similar. iPad literally just adds a touch screen and portability. How much more “innovation” is there going to be that justifies MacOS can’t be added to iPad when you can just combine them.

@@ericwheelhouse4371 The answer is philosophy. macOS is very open. For example, you can install third-party OSes on Macs without jailbreaking. On iPad, well, good luck! ✌🏻 That's why I'm opposed to putting iPadOS on Macs. Apple needs to change its philosophy first. Or they can fuck off!!!

@@KhoaNguyen-sy6np …that’s not what I was recommending. iPad needs MacOS with a UI change for iPad when you want the Tablet interface. That’s nothing to do with iPadOS

@@ericwheelhouse4371 That's exactly what I say. What if Apple introduces a lockdown macOS version for iPad? Will it eventually introduce back to Mac? Have you ever heard of "S Mode" on Windows? You are opening a Pandora's box, don't you know? Until Apple aligns the philosophy of iPadOS with macOS and iPad with Mac, leave macOS alone!!!

what is realy needed here is the macOS audio stack, or some other proper plugger able audio stack maybe something like JACK audio from linux.

@@hishnash the audio stack is still there, it's literally just Core Audio on both macOS and i(Pad)OS.

lol can you name a few?

basically only graphic design. you can’t run code on an ipad, you can’t use record audio, record video on an ipad it’s apple’s chromebook.

Like Samsung dex