Finally a video for me, the average user, who wants to watch a tierlist for a game I don't even play. Thank you Harstem!

Wow this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. All he does is complain about Ghosts on stream all day and then pretends they aren't top tier. What a Terran apologist.

28:48 "why is mothership so low I always lose to it" losing to motherships probably doesn't have anything to do with their strength, it's just that usually when your opponent makes a mothership they are so friggin ahead they can just do whatever they want.

You can't play PvP without disruptors. I know, because I quit playing 10+ years ago and watched Harstem use them all the time.

It's a pretty good line up. As somebody who has failed to use liberators correctly for many years it pains me to admit that they aren't A tier. Ranged Liberators are one of the most despair inducing things you can inflict on your opponent but watching 6 of them in the wrong place do literally nothing while your army disappears to archon chargelot and then a few stalkers just blink behind them to destroy them for free is also despair inducing.

If you rate the units by "how likely am I shit myself when I see this unit on my side of the map" probe get it's own tier above S.

I'd be interested in a series of videos "what counters what" Example 1st video you take Terran and imagine enemy is Zerg with banes, what do you do? What do you do to counter each unit enemy can make from a point of certain race.

Disruptors are SUPPOSED to miss, aren't they? The way I understand them is as mobile GROUND CONTROL unit creating an area of "untouchable" around your army. By introducing it, they made toss less deathbally. So I see the value of the disruptor not in HITTING, but in the fact you COULD hit, which gives you control over space, like the WidowMine, Tank, Lurker etc.

All I gotta say is, "Power Overwhelming". It literally makes you invincible. Therefore Archons IMBA.

Winter is an S-tier caster and smartass! Keep it coming dude, love this list

i havent played in years but i still have fun watching your vids

A note with adepts... In PvP just make double adept at the start of the game if you're below 4k, and you will win for free after the first shade into your opponents base even with mediocre micro as long as you target fire the probes.

Awesome video! Love you, Winter!

everyone knows the super s tier unit is the minimap, but you gotta pay for that dlc unit

Nice job Winter, pretty fair list. It is hard to make a list that simple. Like some of the B tier units, when microed by pros can be S. Like Byun's reapers, Hero's stalkers, or just pro's with Disruptors. But as you said for mortals like me B tier.

Zerg campaign: so here is a wide variety of units, all with unique strengths and weaknesses that you can choose to make the perfect army for any situation Me: mass queen 98% of the campaign, gotcha

Time to watch this tierlist video and write a comment that completely disagrees and explains why my tierlist is right and yours is wrong. Excellent video!

Stop using these units: Anything but probes, which are S+ tier, obviously.

Thanks for the list, great explanations. btw what program are you using in the background to show the list?

Thank you, this will help me beat up on easy comp when I'm brave enough to play sc2

Now we need a tier list of all sc2 content creators please and thank you

I would personally put BCs on the S-tier too, due to them being able to not just Yamato, but also fire on the move AND warp in everywhere on the map. Can make for some nasty surprises, and come directly on top of those otherwise long-range Tempests.

thanks winter for no ads!!!

BC > Carrier, a single BC can have so much more impact than a single carrier, then getting to BCs vs getting to carriers, since carriers only work in mass and requires such a large investment if you don't get to that point of mass carriers it's almost useless

Love these Lowko tier lists, excellent sleeping music

Ive been waiting for this video since the last time I played starcraft 2 in 2020

Even serral and maru couldn't click this vid so fast

Mutas are weird. They can be devastating, but like dark templars, once your enemy knows you are going for them, their effectiveness drops massively. They are complete terrors for map control however IF microed.

I was gonna say before you put any units in any tier - Archons, Carrier and Marines (with medivacs). Glad to see I was spot on xD

You cant win games in grandmaster league with D tier units. Uthermal:"Hold my beer"

this will be quite handy when i play sc2 again in a few months

Can you rate upgrades next, please ? :)

I feel like this is a tier list based on ranked as in the e tier is best at bronze and the s tier is best at higher tier lol great vid winter 👌

Marines honestly seem OP at times, especially vs air.

Your voice sounds like the old guy from Family Guy Keep up the good videos man, I loved this one!

Keep it up, buddy!

I disagree with some units like sentry:They S. After the buff, they deal insane damage to shields.And force field, if you not let your enemy get vision of high ground, they ridiciolus.Has pretty good synergy with HT too.I think archon is A.Expensive and takes so much space. Im using defensive build on Protoss if ı play Versus and for most time they outrange my units and stopping them shoot.Adept is A for me.Anti marine and harass workers.The only problem about them is they cant hit air.This makes them pointless late game. Oracle definitely S. You can easily harass workers.Kill bio and even ultras for no reason.And really good at protecting units.Because of stasis ward.On zerg:Everythin is fine for me but not roach and baneling.For banelings, you can trick your opponent if they not using detectors.And this is really powerful. S for me.Roaches are S too.They can trap you even on the late game.İf you micro well, they really good againts immortals.On terran:Everything is perfect, ı liked terrans overall.

When I`d seen the headline, I thinked smth like "The S+++++ tier is SCV, Probe and Drone" cause U can do NOTHING without them)

I might argue about the drone. Sure you lose one when you use it for a building but thats why zerg buildings tend to be cheaper. But you cant stop a zerg building by killing the worker, like with terran. Also drones regen health , so if they survive that baneling hit or oracle attack, they will be quickly at full health again, while damaged SUVs and probes (if they got hull damage) will be easy pickings for a follow up attack. Also with research they can burrow, which might occasionally save you a mineral line.

Dude, how cool would it be if they added 2 more races to a new starcraft game. Like space orcs, and perhaps either Eldar/Elves or maybe an out of control AI android robot race. The storyline could be that the orcs or Elves are trying to escape from a super AI that killed its original creator race and is spreading across the galaxy chasing all living beings down for extinction and first encounter of the Orcs with Terran is capturing a small scouting party. Interrogating them and finding out its part of a larger armada that is fleeing from an AI that destroyed their homeplanet, their colonized planets, and space ports. Then the Terran command wants to validate the information and sends scouts to verify where the larger armada is and comes upon part of a smaller fleet of orcs engaged with a small AI fleet of drones that begin engaging the Terran scouting squadron. The then drones end up disengaging as they have witnessed new info to report back to AI this new information as they are too far out to send direct signals. The then Orcs begin to try communicating with the Terran scouting party and try thanking them, the sqaud leader welcomes them, but has to leave them to report back to command. Introducing one of the main Terran characters and one of the main Orc characters. Once this is established back at command briefing it causes uproar over not only possible new threat from unknown Orcs, but an AI as well that is still in its infancy of learning. Meanwhile across the Galaxy the Protos discover either another race fleeing from the AI, which are the Eldar or discover a lost civilian ship of Orcs on a small inhabital moon that comes under seige by a larger fleet of AI ships and drones and do nothing but watch as the AI obliterates the entire population. As this takes place the AI detect the Protos and attack them, but the Protos have a fleet nearby that annihilate them. Thus setting up the story Architecture. Also you could add that the Zeg come across the AI as well somehow. I think it could be an awesome campaign mode and story of how all the races had to team up together to take down this giant threat of the AI killing all sentient lifeforms. That might be cool to do, adding 3 more races to play as and in the end either destroying the AI completely or it changes for the better or something. One small edit, also to make the Orcs smart and not dumb would be interesting.

A lot of tier lists tend to put workers low down, I personally believe they should be the only S+ tier units. They are the only units that give you minerals. Without them, you can do nothing. They’re so important that the game starts you with them, and the win condition of StarCraft is to destroy your opponents workers and their ability to create them.

Funny how barely any Zerg attacking units are considered really good

Marine/Medivac was guaranteed S tier. Base army unit that is viable all game, good for offense and defense, cheap, heals quickly with medivacs so it has longevity, and Stim makes them an absolute nightmare without any crowd control or splash damage. FUCK M/M. And Widow Mines. And Ghosts. And Carriers for that matter.

In 3vs3 or 4vs4 a lurker will likely kill like 100 supply, especially when placed on the rally route. uThermal ghosts kill 40 workers on average (and all 15 observers).

"Continue not to play starcraft 2" Oh yeah. That's me. I failed for 2 weeks to get placed into the AI skill bracket.

Finally a youtuber that makes me feel like average people can be successful ;)

Great content

only strategy where i lose from is mas carrier thempest (i play zerg) what can i do the best against it. make corruptors?

when your siege tanks get to choose to fight probes, immortals, or banshees. pick banshees . been screwing up this whole time trying to fight those probes

In metal leagues you definitely can hit disruptors if you micro the ball

wondering which of the units no longer in the game could be added back in and how would they rate with these.

The design is very human, very easy to use!

I heavily disagree about the mothership, when I get the mothership I use it for a frontal attack using it's T ability to minimize damage and also I use it as a temporary shield to cause more damage and less losses.

yeah this is much more aligned to my experience

Reapers are an incredible unit. A squad of 6-10 can do so many things, but only if you're willing to put in the effort, which i am, almost every single time

For a game as complex as this, I don't think it's possible for 1 tierlist to do any unit justice. You have different elos, matchups, map designs, timing attacks, mindgames, etc. DT can hit like a truck, it can blink, it's perma cloaked, can morph into an Archon, in general it harasses really well. For 35 seconds. Then detection exists, and you can't use it properly anymore. BUT, it forces a reaction out of your enemy, it forces them to do something predictable or change their build a lil bit since they don't know what you're doing. That last part can be extremely powerful, more powerful even than killing a whole mineral line sometimes. This is against Terran. Now you have Zerg, completely different. Then Protoss, completely different again. Units don't retain their consistency nor their strengths in different matchups. In TvT, ghosts are useless compared to TvZ or TvP. TvZ, it locks your opponent out of building Ultras completely, it counters all spellcasters, it can 1 shot infestors, it can punish retreats, very powerful. It's cheap enough that killing a ghost with banelings only is considered inefficient. TvP, the ghost is so powerful that it's considered a mistake not to have ghosts. EMP counters every unit in their roster except Interceptors. That's massive. Stupid almost. In any matchup, the ghost can cloak, piss off to one side of the map, and call down a nuke in a deadzone. It will miss completely, 0 damage, and your opponent will still be clicking on all their bases; no macro, no micro, while that useless nuke lands somewhere in the void. That's how powerful it is if you use it incorrectly. These tierlists are largely based on opinions, rather than the objective strengths/weaknesses of the units, but I still like them, especially when they're rated based on the rank they're used in. Carriers in Bronze, yeah S+++ tier, it's so high in the tierlist that it goes off the screen. In GM 8k MMR, it's a unit that gets one shot just by right clicking with vikings. To make a tierlist that takes all of this into account would be insanely time consuming, but also really interesting. Idk who'd stick around for a 2h video tho. 2h with no tangents or examples*.

@WinterStarcraft Hope this comment finds you well :) What if, to reduce the Queen's roles, they make Hydralisk Den not-Lair tech? Allows Zerg to build them before going for Lair and have some semblance of squishy AA DPS. Would give room for combat-nerfs to the Queen's early game perhaps? I'm not an expert, I'm only curious as to what other unforeseen by me catastrophic failures would come with it.

This video is interesting after watching thermals' ravens to GM series

Units Winter underrate: Banshees are great in TvT for harrassing SCVs, forcing turrets, cyclones, scans, ravens, great for sniping tanks and early marines and cyclones (2 banshee 3 shot), SCVs building, and they work great vs tanks if you keep making them, easier to use than libs imo. In TvZ they are also great at harrassing drones, forcing spores, overseers. And they are great support for an early push, and they snipe spires and bases pretty good too, 2 port ftw! Okay. Swarmhost are pretty good vs meching terrans, especially in lower eco scenarios, if they have helbats protecting their army, just go for the production. Ravens are amazing, easily A tier, you can mass ravens in all matchups. Fairly easy to use too. Disruptors easily A tier, if not S amazing in all matchups. Disruptor/Tempest + support, probably best PvT unit comp. Tanks 100% S tier, Ghost S tier, just practice, but only B tier vs terran. Units Winter overrate: Reapers are very meh. Good for scouting, reapers cheese is weak if you can play. Very situational unit. Zerglings very situational, not solid. DT also quite situational. Carriers and Archons, very good, especially together, but not always. Ghost, mine, viking melt them with good control, for instance. Only A tier for those two.

26:03 aren't Ultras still core to counter carrier archon protoss??? Also really good vs marine

Drones? Eh, situational. Only build them when you are playing as a Zerg and you plan to mine more minerals or Vespen.

Never lost to a B or E tier unit because I never played.

MS was good when game first came out but when they took all it's abilities away it became worthless

I like how you acknowledged that not all of us are grandmaster lol

It all depends on the commander behind the units, right?

I’m surprised you put hydra at A. I thought B, because it’s just a lurker egg!

Now you should do upgrades tier list

You should do this same thing for 3vs3 or 4v4.

Tier A went through so many patches during that video...

I'm a casual Zerg player. That said, it's sad to see the units that make up the core of nearly any combat composition are A tier or below while Protoss and Terran have much better S tier options.

A tier list was made but a questions remains: At what cost?

Not gonna lie. I started skipping forward and stopped just as he said "Just to re-iterate for those who skip forward". Felt scarily like he was talking to me live xD

I agree with much of this, but I will never agree that ghosts are not S tier. a silver player could still get one of these out, devote 5 of his apm to emp the silver toss and it will help more than any other unit at that time lol.

I've seen winter give strikes for Terrans simply making a Raven

I was personally attacked within the first min of this video lmfao 🤣

Lmao that intro! I feel attacked.

I think Oracle + Carrier is the best because of the Oracle scout ability.

As soon as he put Hydras in A Tier, I was the happiest person there could be. Nothing this man says can tear me down now!

I'm a terran master, aka retired diamond leaguer. Liberators are too hard to use to incorporate. Banshee however I can split into pairs, cloak and attack move and pray without ever looking back at them....

When do we get the critical building tier list???

20:46 poor Grubby. He streams HotS and WC3 and he still can't get a break

BeastyQt did this comparison a few years ago :)

i want a tier list based on lore and not based on game mechanics

I'm up about 800mmr after building ghosts way more often.

Arnt like all early builds, block the entry into the base because of zerglings, like if you failed to block it either with a unit mistep or something else you lost the game to zerglings? I mean i know that you want to make sure most units dont make it to your mineral line, but the zergling is the poster child of that idea.

If you’re in bronze, you can win the game only with banshee beacause the opponent don’t know how respond to invisible units

best protoss units if there is a 4 minute grace period?

>Queen best unit in the game >Most of S-tier is Toss units >Mothership is noob trap >Probe>SCV>Drone yup its a good list, also anyone who claims to use Disruptors on ladder is either a liar or a bronze league hero

Viper is micro intensive A or B

As a casual plat/low-diamond protos player, I would say that lurkers are S tier. I took me a very long time to learn how to deal with them, but when I did, it got into diamond.

So what you are saying is Zerg has no good units and that is the sole reason I am losing all my games. Glad to hear it!

Disruptor based army's control the ground. Point blank, period. Use it to zone. Keep their army away from you ever 2 seconds. Then when they do hit, it's gg. Disruptors are king of the ground. Don't get it twisted.

Who started calling queens Brenda first was it Winter or Lowko?? 🤔 I need to know 😅

Disruptors are good vs opponents in lower leagues cos they can't play. But the key thing is they allow you to dance. As protoss you wanna be hitting and backing off. Shields regen enegery comes back. Which high templaf let you do as well but the need energy and are less deadly

He got me with the mothership

Wait queen does have the same DPS as hydras???

I have a feeling the streamer either mains Toss or loses to Toss a lot XD

Banshee Viking Helion 130 supply army, unbeatable :D

So why Lurker is not included?

Do a building tier list