STOP, You're Training Your Triceps Wrong!

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9 ай бұрын

Are you training your triceps wrong? You are about to find out in this video on how to get bigger triceps by implementing a triceps workout strategy that may be completely new to you. We look to the teachings of the late goat Mike Mentzer to give us clues as to how we may want to switch up the way we do our triceps exercises, and all of our workouts for that matter, to get bigger arms in the long run.
It starts with a declaration by Mentzer where he says that the best triceps exercise for growth is hands down the dip. Now, keep in mind that the dip also works the chest and shoulders. If you focus on the angle of your body when performing the dip, you can more effectively target the triceps or the chest while also hitting the shoulders in the process.
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That said, is he right?
Well, I want to go back to time earlier this year where I had an MRI done on my shoulder. After throwing a baseball when I was working with the New York Mets, I had torn my labrum and rotator cuff. Not only that, but I had serious degeneration of the shoulder joint as well. Up to that point, where I was feeling discomfort, I was performing a lot of pressing exercises to build the triceps that I have today.
What I liked about some of these pressing exercises, such as the close grip bench press, was that I was able to overload the triceps with a decent amount of weight. We know that overloading a muscle, especially one like the triceps, is a good stimulus for growth that sometimes we don’t explore. By using a heavy weight and allowing muscles that want to work together such as the chest, shoulders and triceps, we can build big triceps in the process.
The only issue was, with the amount of shoulder problems I had, I was getting a lot of discomfort in my shoulder while doing these pressing exercises.
That is when I remembered the lecture from Mike Mentzer discussing his favorite triceps exercise. I tried it and it was a game changer. I started using the dips for triceps training a great deal. Not only was it something I could scale using weight all the way down to negative only reps, but I was also starting to feel more comfort in my shoulder that had gone missing when performing other triceps exercises.
That said, I didn’t stop at just one triceps exercise. I come from a long history and background of doing more than just the one set or exercise that Mike recommends in his Heavy Duty training, So I performed some classic triceps exercises. That said, I used a method that would dramatically cut down the volume of triceps training that I was doing. I used a mechanical drop set shown in the video.
After a brief warmup, I started with a lying triceps extension with an EZ Bar. As soon as I reached failure, I started performing a JM Press or modified French Press and continued to rep out to failure once again. After reaching failure, I started performing a close grip bench press (with the EZ Bar) and repped out to failure for the final time with no rest between any of the exercises.
This torched my triceps and was all that I needed, in combination with the dips discussed before. On the dips, I was able to implement another mechanical drop set where I started with bodyweight, followed by assisted dips, and finally negative only reps.
Finally, I had to consider the final premise of Mentzer training that was largely responsible for the gains that could come from using it - rest and recovery. Given my limitations with triceps training due to my shoulder, I figured that now was the time to cut back the frequency of my triceps workouts and see if Lost any gains because of it. Shockingly, I did not. In fact, I gained much more size back on my triceps as a result.
What was once a scenario where I trained my triceps 2x per week, I was now doing them about once every 10 days or so and capitalizing on the indirect work that they would get with my chest, shoulder, and push workouts.
I highly encourage you give these lessons learned a try in your own triceps training and exercises. You may be shocked by the results - injured or not.
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Jeff Cavaliere MSPT, CSCS served as both the head physical therapist and assistant strength coach for the New York Mets. Jeff earned his Masters of Physical Therapy and Bachelor’s of Physioneurobiology from the College of Health Sciences University of Connecticut Storrs. He is a certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist by the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA).

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@itstoasty7089 9 ай бұрын
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@TheReincarnatedDeath 9 ай бұрын
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@oa1732 9 ай бұрын
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@magfedbrooks 9 ай бұрын
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@itstoasty7089 9 ай бұрын
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@laszlomate6878
@laszlomate6878 9 ай бұрын
Mike is blowing up lately! Its about time he finally get some credit. He was ahead of his time and helped greatly the bodybuilding science and community
@joshmoralesakaace1991
@joshmoralesakaace1991 9 ай бұрын
I noticed as well
@Saberdud
@Saberdud 9 ай бұрын
why is that
@Browny84
@Browny84 9 ай бұрын
@@Saberdud it seems to me, I started hearing about him around the time that Andrew Huberman spoke in depth about his training methods on Jocko Willink’s podcast last year. I’m sure there were other proponents, but it seems like that’s when the fire was lit. That’s also about the time when the studies came out about training to failure for hypertrophy.
@bloodeagle2945
@bloodeagle2945 9 ай бұрын
​@@Browny84the channel called Heavy Duty College has been spreading his records
@christofl6523
@christofl6523 9 ай бұрын
He was wrong at almost everything.
@venvanman
@venvanman 2 ай бұрын
I feel like I'm breathing wrong at this point
@deadeyedarwin
@deadeyedarwin Ай бұрын
You are, do better.
@iamarkhamknight
@iamarkhamknight Ай бұрын
😭😭🤣🤣
@ilija.8548
@ilija.8548 7 күн бұрын
Are you mouthbreathing? Then yes you are 😂😂😂
@johanesterhuizen1842
@johanesterhuizen1842 9 ай бұрын
Dips is probably one of the hardest body weight exercise for me, but I love it
@moneymike473
@moneymike473 9 ай бұрын
Pull ups for me. I can rip out dips all day but on a good day, I might get 8 or 10 pull ups on the first set and then it's a struggle to get 5 on the rest. Lol
@909_WoodWorks
@909_WoodWorks 9 ай бұрын
I cant do dips anymore. Back in my prime (like 12 years ago) I was able to dip with 2-3 45s around my waist and now I can barely do body weight,although I've gained around 50-60lbs since haha. I've had shoulder problems for years but like Jeff said maybe I've been doing them wrong and just need to get back at it slowly.
@richardtofts4977
@richardtofts4977 4 ай бұрын
My funky shoulders pretty much rule out dips. If there's an option to go for w wider handle grip it's slightly less problematic. Wonder what that means?
@derlegendaregleiter9702
@derlegendaregleiter9702 3 ай бұрын
​@@richardtofts4977you probably rotate your shoulders forward and possibly pull them upwards as well and a wider grip forces you in to external rotation ie. backwards rotation of the shoulder. Try to depress/pull down and external rotate /open up your shoulder bevor starting the rep and maintain that form through out the exercise. If you do the exercise with said form proud exposed chest and locked in shoulders you shouldn't feel much pain and also see good gains from it. If you have a V-shaped dip bar let your chest face the open/wider part of said V this helps maintaining the Posture explained above. Best wishes and have fun 💪
@deansaylor9164
@deansaylor9164 2 ай бұрын
Been doing them for 40 years .They’re still hard if I have break from working out for awhile but after a few workouts I’m ready to go I usually wear 40lb weight vest while doing them.
@bradfordreed6175
@bradfordreed6175 9 ай бұрын
I've largely avoided dips because I felt they were straining more than training my shoulders. These cues help me reconsider my plans.
@Rotoeye
@Rotoeye 9 ай бұрын
A Mike Mentzer series would a very worthwhile and appreciated chapter for this channel. It could deliver insight from both the teacher and the competent student. This one was particularly good, thank you.
@paulestevez3117
@paulestevez3117 9 ай бұрын
Yes
@_topikk_
@_topikk_ 9 ай бұрын
Mike Mentzer was abusing several drugs including heavy stimulants to jack his workout intensity through the roof beyond what most people can or should do. There is wisdom to be gained from his insights, but a lot of it just doesn't apply to those of us who hit the gym on the way home from work.
@douggarrett5288
@douggarrett5288 7 ай бұрын
@@_topikk_ Why wouldn't it ?
@_topikk_
@_topikk_ 7 ай бұрын
@@douggarrett5288 Because most of us aren't willing to freebase meth and abuse steroids to achieve that concentrated level of intensity.
@beastalan
@beastalan 7 ай бұрын
bs. HIT is especially effective for people with less free time. As it advocates training for 40 minutes 2-3 times a week. And it's super effective for naturals, in fact Mentzer always mentioned it in his books that its designed for naturals @@_topikk_
@martinidemon
@martinidemon 2 ай бұрын
Of all the trainers on KZfaq, I found your videos to be the most helpful. I’m a former strength training, power lifter who had plenty of shoulder injuries. I am making a comeback now, and your videos are helping me regain some of my mobility and strength. Thank you very much and I look forward to more of your videos.
@bmoraga01
@bmoraga01 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, keep it up, Jeff. More Mike Mentzer. With your experience as a physical therapist, it makes your insights and analysis that much more effective. Greetings from Southern California.
@mihapirnar8915
@mihapirnar8915 9 ай бұрын
Love these series Jeff. Hope you will also make The 1 Set series for every body part. All the best.
@GymGarageMan
@GymGarageMan 9 ай бұрын
Started doing dips on 2 chairs for trys at 14 year old still do it at 52 years old..it works!!!
@andyfit9746
@andyfit9746 9 ай бұрын
Just checked your channel garageman Awesome training keep going gramps💪
@scotchbudmeister9018
@scotchbudmeister9018 9 ай бұрын
I tried a few reps between 2 chairs. Worked well. I guess I can stop worrying the chairs will tip inward - lol.
@notimportant3686
@notimportant3686 9 ай бұрын
literally EVERYTHING works.... ALL exercise if you DO IT
@andyfreeman6865
@andyfreeman6865 9 ай бұрын
These worked wonders when I was younger. I'd load 3 45's on my lap and bang them out. After a shoulder injury hitting the side of a plane, I can't do them for an extended period of time. Also had to give up barbell bench completely.
@bernardocostacarvalho2639
@bernardocostacarvalho2639 9 ай бұрын
How exactly is the set up? I.e. how do you make sure it is stable and it the chairs don't move or tumble? (Genuine question, I'd like to try it myself)
@hasanegeatal7999
@hasanegeatal7999 9 ай бұрын
These Mike Mentzer videos for each muscle group is amazing, if you could make them for all muscle groups that would be amazing.
@luismiguel69able
@luismiguel69able 9 ай бұрын
yeah cant wait to see legs.
@robseale17
@robseale17 9 ай бұрын
Wish I had listened to Mentzer in my teens and beyond. Been doing HIT for a year and it is my all time fav routine. Fewer injuries and tweaks, less joint pain. Thanks for posting.
@Viewher3
@Viewher3 8 ай бұрын
Definitely on board with Mike's emphasis on recovery and intensity
@chrissterba501
@chrissterba501 9 ай бұрын
Always love these videos! I can learn so much and can already claim gains in the right directions. I really appreciate the science behind the different workouts (presenting all sides) and I think this resonates with many people. Thank you for sharing your content! Wish you, your family, and Jesse always the best!!!
@abdelbassetmezhoud3628
@abdelbassetmezhoud3628 9 ай бұрын
On my way home from the gym where I applied the Mike Mentzer biceps workout based on your last Biceps video( the greatest mind muscle connection ever for me , tbh), I said to myself that it would be great if Jeff made another one with the triceps, and here it is popping on my screen just the moment I walk home and turn my TV on ! Incredible, isn't it ? no wonder when it's up to Jeff, You never disappoint, man ! All the the love from Algeria.
@Whaddayamean13
@Whaddayamean13 9 ай бұрын
I tried to underhand pull down too for biceps and got a huge burn after that. I think it takes the forearms out of the equation and makes it easy to focus on bicep growth.
@ce2flaco
@ce2flaco 9 ай бұрын
I implemented the bicep advice as well. It’s early but seems solid.
@Akatsuu
@Akatsuu 9 ай бұрын
@@Whaddayamean13 I tried them too but I felt like my lats were doing most of the work, I didn't feel it as much in my biceps. I do a lot of pullups and I'm not sure how to turn the lats off during underhand pull downs. I didn't feel any burn in my biceps compared to my normal inclined seated bicep curls (slow eccentric).
@karanchadha3272
@karanchadha3272 9 ай бұрын
You're doing 1 set of underhand pulldown? how many reps though?
@sepshams3491
@sepshams3491 9 ай бұрын
@@karanchadha3272until failure
@scarywoody1727
@scarywoody1727 9 ай бұрын
Very timely video for me. I have been checking out mentzer's videos and really like the approach. I am taking some of his advice and reduced my volume. It makes my workouts quicker, and that is motivating me to stay more consistent. Appreciate the video!
@clintyates7493
@clintyates7493 9 ай бұрын
The weighted ,assisted dip station at my gym has really helped push me back into dips and allows you to ease yourself back into full dips while slowly decreasing the assisted weight over a succession of gym sessions.
@snowbunnybreeder
@snowbunnybreeder 9 ай бұрын
How to stay small Forever, listen to mentzer
@Idunnoanymo
@Idunnoanymo 9 ай бұрын
For me, the perfect middle ground between the common high-volume approach and Mentzer's protocol is the program of his best student - Dorian Yates. I advise every gym amateur to check out the "Blood and Guts" program
@joaquincortada1483
@joaquincortada1483 9 ай бұрын
Same here
@BradenHunt.
@BradenHunt. 9 ай бұрын
​@@snowbunnybreederOnly true if you're on gear. Natural guys see far more growth with a Mike Mentzer Routine than a routine that has high volume.
@englewoodmusic
@englewoodmusic 9 ай бұрын
NO I'M NOT.
@daivatpandya
@daivatpandya 9 ай бұрын
Bro is not doing anything wrong 😤😤
@julienl.3327
@julienl.3327 9 ай бұрын
AthleanX viewer rebelling. (Rebellion is killing your gains though)
@MrGRockin
@MrGRockin 9 ай бұрын
Just leave this guy alone already!
@Javier-vi6db
@Javier-vi6db 9 ай бұрын
YES YOU ARE.
@sfielding10001
@sfielding10001 9 ай бұрын
Yep you are bc he just said you are
@robertdetterline5272
@robertdetterline5272 9 ай бұрын
Loving this content. My knees and shoulders are about shot, with the less volume they are already starting to feel better.
@amandarodriguez997
@amandarodriguez997 9 ай бұрын
I've been loving your mike mencer series. They're so enlightening and different from previous teachings. Thanks for making these, guys. :)
@shayne6582
@shayne6582 Ай бұрын
U spelled his name wrong
@realgains1538
@realgains1538 7 ай бұрын
I got serious with dips last year and I totally agree with this clip!!! The dip is very effective for microloading too (adding tiny plates weekly or every other week while keeping the reps the same) which is a huge key to growing mass naturally.
@mastermuffin3950
@mastermuffin3950 9 ай бұрын
recently added weighted ring dips in my routine and i feel like they helping my chest look bigger and increasing strength in other exercises
@camronrubin8599
@camronrubin8599 9 ай бұрын
ring dips are amazing, I can get a nice deep stretch without compromising the rotators
@davehumpleby3440
@davehumpleby3440 8 ай бұрын
Of all your videos, this one resonates with me the most. I'm currently awaiting surgery on a very messed up shoulder from an injury at work. Rotator cuff tears, labrum tears, SLAP tear, long-head bicep tear, two further tendon tears, a snapped ligament, a seperated AC joint, and free-floating bone fragments grinding into the joint tissues. It's a total train wreck. It's preventing me from doing ANY shoulder, chest, back, tricep or bicep exercise on the injured side. I pretty much cannot train my upper body. The gains from years of exercise, sport, training and condition have vanished in a matter of months. I feel crippled and 30 years older. How I'd love to be able to do ONE dip right now, never mind anything else. The road to recovery is going to be very long; if it's even possible. But if it is possible, I fully intend to adopt Mike Mentzer's philosophy, and substitute volume for intensity. It will probably be with auper-light bands to begin with but I like the rationale behind his training and shorter bursts of exercise will hopefully mean less pain. Rather than, "No pain, no gain." I'm hoping for, "Not much pain, lots of gain."
@ThatsmyAJ
@ThatsmyAJ 2 ай бұрын
You will get back better than ever 💪🏽
@justinfauver2095
@justinfauver2095 6 ай бұрын
Love this video! Thank you! I tore the labrum in my right shoulder 3 months ago and I’m exploring how I’m going to continue my fitness pursuit.
@pedropalaciosfitness
@pedropalaciosfitness 9 ай бұрын
Yes Jeff, please add more videos with Mike Mentzer
@doncook5221
@doncook5221 6 ай бұрын
It is really great to see someone give Mike the credit he deserves. I am tired of hearing people taking shots at him all the time. I hope you do some things with Mikes teachings. Thanks Jeff!
@neilgunns8391
@neilgunns8391 9 ай бұрын
I think the biggest issue people probably have with training the Mike Mentzer was is that they don’t understand what TRUE failure on an exercise is. Once you train to concentric,eccentric, and static failure on your ONE set…. Then you’ll understand. It’s fn hard.
@luismiguel69able
@luismiguel69able 9 ай бұрын
i think we need someone to train us in person for this. Although Jeff does a great job of suowing what it looks like but still ....
@OctagonalSquare
@OctagonalSquare 8 ай бұрын
@@luismiguel69ableyeah but what an already in shape dude’s failure looks like is not the same as someone starting out.
@aleksastankovic4808
@aleksastankovic4808 8 ай бұрын
Im currently doing three exercises for triceps, cable pushdowns, dips and skullcrushers, all for couple of sets (3-4). What should I do now? Should I just replace them all with just one set of dips, or one set of each exercise?
@nikhilbansal6028
@nikhilbansal6028 8 ай бұрын
​@@aleksastankovic4808 It doesn't matter which exercise you should do, it depends on what feels the most, which exercise gives the best mind muscle connection You can do 20 sets with 10 different exercises, or 1 set 1 exercise, it doesn't matter, what matters is "take the muscles as in best mind muscle connection and take them to absolute failure" now, i do 1 set of tricep pushdown, and 1 set of cable extension, 6-12 rep till absolute failure and contracting the muscles as hard as you can and then stretching them too!
@wecx2375
@wecx2375 7 күн бұрын
​@nikhilbansal6028 that's what people don't understand, just have to do what feels good, just lift
@ronmanley2803
@ronmanley2803 9 ай бұрын
Jeff!!! Keep it up with the Mike Mentzer videos! They’re full of great info! Thanks Jeff! Cover all the body parts!!!
@kevinlee5122
@kevinlee5122 9 ай бұрын
Love your videos and the use of Mike's information in them.
@dwaynecunningham2164
@dwaynecunningham2164 9 ай бұрын
PERFECT TIMING! My shoulder is the same! Please do more of these, especially for shoulders and chest
@BananaMan-yn8vl
@BananaMan-yn8vl 9 ай бұрын
Me too! I love when he shows how to work around injuries
@dwaynecunningham2164
@dwaynecunningham2164 9 ай бұрын
@@BananaMan-yn8vl get well soon, King.
@Coolazice1074
@Coolazice1074 9 ай бұрын
More Mike Mentzer, please. I bought his book from him personally when I called his number back in 95'/96', but I was too star-struck @ 22(ish) yrs old to have a real conversation with him about Heavy Duty.
@Nicholas19823
@Nicholas19823 8 ай бұрын
I love Mike Mentzer , he is finally coming back into the lime light. Always makes sense what he said
@walterbrown9651
@walterbrown9651 9 ай бұрын
Excellent! Appreciate your inclusion of Heavy Duty and Mike Mentzer!
@Salsa_Shark
@Salsa_Shark 9 ай бұрын
The dedication by Jeff to create that imbalance in arm symmetry for the thumbnail is admirable!
@brendanmurray1111
@brendanmurray1111 9 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff, great video. I was wondering if you'd consider doing a video of some of the things you do outside of the gym for recovery. For example if you get professional help for certain issues or just as a precaution, or any sort of routine that is helping you maintain your ability to train hard. All the best and thanks for the great videos Jeff
@user-uy1fo5vb7r
@user-uy1fo5vb7r 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this. I love Mike Mentzer and athlean x. I have a hard time with dips so I will focus on making the adjustments you stated.
@robertcarney6259
@robertcarney6259 9 ай бұрын
thanks ran across Mike this year and now you are covering him, makes sense.
@PowerofRa_
@PowerofRa_ 8 ай бұрын
Thank you Jeff. I have lost over 160 pounds by learning things from your videos. Thank you for these guides and tips 💪😎
@dryciderz
@dryciderz 8 ай бұрын
👍💪
@SpencerChaee
@SpencerChaee 8 ай бұрын
@@dryciderz😊😊
@travislucas3845
@travislucas3845 9 ай бұрын
Love the video, stories shared from your past as well as Mike M. Have listened to his speech recently and adopted this philosophy for my training. Keep it up Jeff
@zechariahsmith1764
@zechariahsmith1764 9 ай бұрын
I am loving these HIT failure training videos you have been doing. Thank you for making these.
@MaccusFNS
@MaccusFNS 9 ай бұрын
chest dips are the best exercise ever for me. I've switched from upright triceps dips and my physique improved dramatically.
@ralphking7969
@ralphking7969 9 ай бұрын
These are great, hope to see your take on Mike Mentzer on legs, forearms, abs, shoulders. Love the pull-down for biceps, great work around for my tendon pain. Regards,
@angmori172
@angmori172 9 ай бұрын
I do the "one (work) set only" approach, but I usually do 2-4 exercises per intended body part in order to hit all the desired heads. And dips are done with Chest focus, so I do 2 tricep exercises as well. I've found that low volume, high intensity works much better for me. I recover better, I can stay focused during my workouts and I enjoy my workouts more. And less problems with my right shoulder.
@sfielding10001
@sfielding10001 9 ай бұрын
Good approach, really exercise best for each person should be determined on sed person. Keep up the good work!
@cronkitelives8104
@cronkitelives8104 9 ай бұрын
I’ve been using the same exact approach as you for the past 4 months. I love it! One super efficient, balls-to-walls set per exercise.
@yipperdeyip
@yipperdeyip 9 ай бұрын
Mike Mentzer is a God and it's awesome to see him leaking even into this channel that "overcomplicates" things. Back to basics!
@tomdaniel758
@tomdaniel758 9 ай бұрын
Me af
@bloodeagle2945
@bloodeagle2945 9 ай бұрын
1 to 2 primary exercises per muscle group is enough (an isolated and compound joint movement), if you do more exercises than required, you're just prolonging the recovery of that muscle group and wasting energy that you should have used for the next muscle group (or save it for faster recovery), it doesn't matter if it is the antagonistic muscles.
@jarl3434
@jarl3434 5 ай бұрын
Very informative, chill, friendly and unpretentious videos. Thanks a lot for your work, it helps me a lot.
@realgains1538
@realgains1538 7 ай бұрын
JEFF fantastic clip again ! Jeff I have switched to the last split that Mentzer advocated before he died. It's the 72 hour three way split. Legs day one then two days off, Back/Chest/deadlifts day two then two days off , Shoulders/arms day three then two days off and repeat. This hits each muscle group directly once per cycle but also indirectly once. I do deadlifts on back day so the upper legs also get a direct and indirect day. I was hesitant to train this infrequently. I WAS AMAZED at the results ! I have always been a low set high intensity guy but always trained 3 days out of 7 on a three way split ...this reduction is frequency made a fantastic difference !
@McBuffenFitnessReal
@McBuffenFitnessReal 9 ай бұрын
Mike Mentzers is my hero!! Love this style of training of HIIT training! Glad I came across it! GAINZ 💪🏼👊🏼💯
@jackiemarlow7182
@jackiemarlow7182 9 ай бұрын
Always protective of my shoulders so I work in dips every 4-5 workouts on my 3 day PLP split. Wish I could do them more frequently, just don't like the stress on my shoulders but it is one of the best overall upperbody exercises. I like the "upperbody squat" term because that's exactly what it feels like.
@MaatTehuti_Dr_Clark_PsyD
@MaatTehuti_Dr_Clark_PsyD 9 ай бұрын
Jeff, I don't know how you always manage to be Right.On.Time! Thank you... ☺
@thomasmcgraw1029
@thomasmcgraw1029 6 ай бұрын
Nice tutorial. I met Mike Mentzer back in 1978. A very courteous yet cerebral man. One small note. Depressing the shoulders during your dips do activate rotator cuff muscles along with the larger trumk muscles.
@EM-cm3fv
@EM-cm3fv 9 ай бұрын
I am happy mentzer is gaining popularity posthumous. He has been an inspiration for me ever since I read his book “heavy duty”. He deserves notoriety for being ahead of his time, and dispelling myths of bodybuilding. Despite what people also bring up to paint his legacy in a negative light he was an incredibly intelligent person. I have also picked up Ayn Rand’s book “Fountain Head”
@dougbratman5398
@dougbratman5398 9 ай бұрын
Mike was also one of my early bodybuilding heroes. He was also a heavy steroid user and died at age 49 of a heart attack as a result. Can’t really compare his style with natural lifters.
@smithsmith9926
@smithsmith9926 9 ай бұрын
To be fair, Mike is aware of the differences in non-steroid takers and references what’s appropriate for them in some of the videos I’ve seen
@Mostprizedpossession
@Mostprizedpossession 9 ай бұрын
He specifically states that HIT workout is geared towards natural bodybuilders because they have longer periods of recovery
@uclajd
@uclajd 9 ай бұрын
Citation needed that he died from steroid-related causes.
@Preetheworld
@Preetheworld 8 ай бұрын
You do know studying and knowledge has nothing to do with personal choice to gain size lmao. You can be a genius and make dumb choices, doesn’t negate anything when personal choice supersedes all
@TiberiusX
@TiberiusX 5 ай бұрын
Your information is incorrect. Mike hadn't taken steroids in years, and his known steroid use was less than that of many contemporaries. Funny how it's almost always old farts who state this misinformation. Probably because they're too lazy to confirm rumors they hear.
@Dan362636
@Dan362636 9 ай бұрын
I always loved mikes approach and would love to hear more Thanks
@jimsmith2229
@jimsmith2229 9 ай бұрын
Yes keep the information coming knowledge is power
@dwaynecunningham2164
@dwaynecunningham2164 9 ай бұрын
Hey Jeff, if you have your take on Mike's training for each body part, would be a great series. If you put it in a program, I would buy it. I think this is a great way for us old guys to train.
@telekinesischriswright2540
@telekinesischriswright2540 9 ай бұрын
Definitely glad I found your videos...I haven't worked out in a good while....I had a back injury so bad I couldn't walk and even eating hurt ...i was skin and bones 6 months ago but now the time has come to start again and your videos are going g to help out alot thanks for sharing my friend great advice always 👍👍👍👍👍
@telekinesischriswright2540
@telekinesischriswright2540 9 ай бұрын
@ATHLEAN-X..... thank you very much my friend
@Ixnay
@Ixnay 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for all your videos so far... You helped me alot, you are by far the best.
@kirchhasel
@kirchhasel 9 ай бұрын
im still in love with the jm press, this is the best for myself. but dips r great aswell
@augustodeleon4358
@augustodeleon4358 9 ай бұрын
The answer is YES, I want more Mike Mentzer stuff
@MichaelDadourian
@MichaelDadourian 9 ай бұрын
I love seeing Mike Mentzer’s reach beyond the grave. R.I.P. legend. Thanks for shining light, Jeff.
@user-py5rk7hd9h
@user-py5rk7hd9h 9 ай бұрын
Yes I would Like very much if you could make more videos on mike mentzer’s heavy duty training. Thank you!!!
@robertdetterline5272
@robertdetterline5272 8 ай бұрын
I hope you keep posting more videos of the mentzer training protocols. It’s a real metal f*** of the one set method. So the fact you believe and are doing videos about it helps tremendously.
@kallekarjalainen6366
@kallekarjalainen6366 9 ай бұрын
Inspired by this I started to do 2 drop sets to failure and only training for 3 times a week. High intensity and less volume, alot of rest. Suits my lifestyle and I make great progress.
@Gunny_101st
@Gunny_101st 9 ай бұрын
So what split do you run?
@kallekarjalainen6366
@kallekarjalainen6366 8 ай бұрын
@@Gunny_101st Actually the PPL that Jeff share on this channel. "the perfect PPL split". Have been doing it for a year and I really have learnt alot about my body and weakness. Sometimes I change tings up, for example I strengthen my glutes, hamstrings and lower back a bit extra on the Leg day.
@masonreppeto882
@masonreppeto882 5 ай бұрын
Mike is fully correct. I've been building my entire upper body for the past 3 years on and off and it's kept me from getting overweight. I just sit in my office chair and work all of my upper body by crossing my legs and lifting up and down, it even works my core too.
@MrAmericaHeart
@MrAmericaHeart 9 ай бұрын
Well done Jeff! Glad to see Mike also influenced you along the way.
@nebulous962
@nebulous962 9 ай бұрын
i never really been able to do dip until like couple weeks ago cus i just didn't have enough muscle. now i can do like 5 maybe. feels really good that i can finally do it.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
Never give up dips, improve your form so you don't hurt your shoulders, but never give up dips. The current gym I go to doesn't have dips, so I say all that from deep down my heart. :/ Seriously, dip your way to bigger growth and strength.
@michaelblacktree
@michaelblacktree 9 ай бұрын
You can regress the dip, to make it a little easier. For example, bend your knees and rest your feet on a box (or whatever) to take some load off. That will let you do more reps. You can use that as a drop-set after you grind out a few normal dips.
@nebulous962
@nebulous962 9 ай бұрын
@@michaelblacktreethanks for the tip :)
@michaelblacktree
@michaelblacktree 9 ай бұрын
No problem, hope it helps. It worked for me, so I thought I'd share.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
@@nebulous962 Although Michaels advice is great, I would recommend you not to do that. Why? Well because you can do 5 reps already! if you had only began trying dips and could barely do 1 or 2 than yeah that advice would be in good time, but considering you can already do 4-5 reps I wouldn't regress, because at around 3-6 or there abouts you get stronger in the excercise you are doing, so regressing it will only make you spend more time to get to where you could continuing on from where you are. Exercises around 3-6 rep ranges makes you stronger, but doesn't provide the optimum muscle growth size, above 6 to around 15 gets you good muscle growth, and above that gets you good endurance. (obviously the figures aren't written in stone). So I would recommend you get stronger on 5 reps and soon you'll be doing 8 and above reps, otherwise if you regress from where you are, you may take more time to strengthen up. Best wishes to both of you.
@bornagain.Acts2-38
@bornagain.Acts2-38 9 ай бұрын
I have been telling people this for years. I am 5’6” tall, 170 lbs and 56 years old. I have been doing weighted dips for years. Even at my age and size I can wrap the belt chain twice around a 120lbs dumbbell and rep for 10. I then go to 135 by wrapping the dumbbell and looping the chain through a 15lbs kettlebell and shooting for 8 reps. Then I switch out to 150lbs by exchanging the kettlebell to 30lbs and rep out as many as I can. If you want to see incredible gains in your overall strength and size, especially benchpress, weighted dips are phenomenal. Stop focusing on your bicep for arm size and light up those triceps, because it will give you more volume in your arm. Hope this helps.
@rubencampos7163
@rubencampos7163 8 ай бұрын
Yes your insight and how we could train focusing on Mr Metzer’s school would be awesome!
@gwarbong
@gwarbong 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the videos, brotha. your a good man for taking care of the people.💪
@carnivorous_vegan
@carnivorous_vegan 9 ай бұрын
Mike Mentzer is a legend in this sport. Absolutely S-tier rank, possibly even SS-tier.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
👍
@notimportant3686
@notimportant3686 9 ай бұрын
except some of his ideas are ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS
@m.g.8897
@m.g.8897 9 ай бұрын
Weebo
@m.g.8897
@m.g.8897 9 ай бұрын
Weebo
@m.g.8897
@m.g.8897 9 ай бұрын
Weebo
@shortfilmsshoponmahbubul1289
@shortfilmsshoponmahbubul1289 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Jeff always helpful and educational ❤
@hdburch
@hdburch 9 ай бұрын
Yes! Love the mike mentzer video, please do more!
@AbdurahiimRoberts
@AbdurahiimRoberts 3 ай бұрын
I watch your videos whiile I'm in the gym and have had some of the best workouts ever. Starting to see gains too!
@kamesna6641
@kamesna6641 9 ай бұрын
Since June I decided to take the every 9 to 10 day approach on a specific body part and so far I am glad it is working. Several people at the gym are telling me that my physique is looking better. So glad it was mentioned in the video that you may need to space it out. Feels good to know that in my case I am on the right path. Looking forward to the other 1 rep routines.
@uclajd
@uclajd 9 ай бұрын
I've done 8 days between body parts since college, and it's always worked best for my metabolism.
@martinminor3287
@martinminor3287 9 ай бұрын
So, for example, you train only your biceps one day and another muscle group the other? Do you only do 1 set for each muscle on the bicep? or do you only make a set of overalls for the bicep?
@kamesna6641
@kamesna6641 9 ай бұрын
No it will not be one set. Usually two or three different exercises per body part. I may do it here and there. I usually combine bicep, tricep or forarms with a main muscle group.@@martinminor3287
@mikemiller2530
@mikemiller2530 9 ай бұрын
I’m actually running a program based on the bronze era training. These old school lifters kept it simple (although sometimes a little weird 😁) and got the job done. More people need to remember this in my opinion
@dandychiggins6802
@dandychiggins6802 9 ай бұрын
Steroids.
@mrsbootsworkouts
@mrsbootsworkouts 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips, always learning new information!
@grimmjow0106
@grimmjow0106 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this, Jeff and Mike. Needed to hear this.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
Dip your way to growth my man!
@lilfy8372
@lilfy8372 9 ай бұрын
Finally I’ve been waiting for this video my whole life 👹
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 9 ай бұрын
It's not really one set when you have 2 warm up sets prior. It's a 3 set program. It works very well. I did this recently using a 5x5 method for rack pulls. First 3 sets were warmup sets, light weight, 5 reps, nothing too intense, gradually increasing until my set 4 was a hard 5 reps. I'd focus a 10 second hold at the end of each set. By set 5 I was doing my max for 1 rep with a hold for as long as I could. Did this twice a week for 2 months and added 100 pounds to my deadlift and rack pull in that time and got me past my plateau of 305 to 405 for my 1 rep max.
@mybartmanful
@mybartmanful 9 ай бұрын
Nice results! I agree that especially in bigger compound lifts, warm-ups are crucial.
@themacgregorshow222
@themacgregorshow222 9 ай бұрын
Literally just added dips this week and weighted neutral grip pull ups Practice makes perfect
@christophercorral9007
@christophercorral9007 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Jeff. I kinda want to see how to do this training for legs or shoulders
@frankp3118
@frankp3118 9 ай бұрын
Given Mentzer’s theory, do these gymnasts do their dips with low frequency or are they doing many sessions with many repetitions? Same can be said of those who do every day work with their hands ,eg. plumbers and mechanics, who have strong, well developed forearms. Mentzer’s theory goes only so far. Volume and frequency are also important along with intensity
@julioguerrero8849
@julioguerrero8849 9 ай бұрын
He actually mentions in some interviews and tapes that 1 set per exercise, 3 to 4 rest day periods (you know, his ideal routine or heavy duty training) is applied exclusively for increasing general body mass along with increased strenght. Not athletic or functional training.
@machyavelli4890
@machyavelli4890 9 ай бұрын
@@julioguerrero8849 What does 1 set mean? Is that a long superset, or a bunch of drop sets tied together or what?
@julioguerrero8849
@julioguerrero8849 9 ай бұрын
@@machyavelli4890 1 set contains a number of repetitions of one exercise. Most people at the gym do 4 sets of 10 to 12 repetitions of bench press, sit-ups, whatever. Mentzer says that for increasing body mass and strength, you only need to do 1 set of 6 to 10 repetitions of a focused exercise, followed by 1 set of 6 to 10 reps of a general exercise (for chest, focused exercise would be peck deck, general would be inclined bench press using dumbbells.) Sometimes you superset it, most times you don't (depends on the muscle group.) But you need to really work on intensity to get your muscle to failure, so you need to push yourself to lift heavier weights than you are used to. It's interesting, really. I've been doing this, and the type of fatigue you end up with is quite different to the one that you get with multiple sets of many repetitions. He proposes rest periods of at least 3 to 4 days. So, with his ideal routine, you do chest and back on monday, and you get back to the gym on friday for legs, next tuesday for arms and shoulders, and that next saturday (12 days after chest and back) again for a variation of the leg routine. Then you begin again after 3 or 4 days.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
Ever consider if gymnasts used to go to failure, forced failure? beyond failure? obviously not because they would fall off the parallel bars, O rings, like dead flies. Mentzer goes to failure with one set. I grow chest and legs with one set, no enchancements, and from my experience I suspect I can grow other parts as well with one set. But there is such a thing as been addicted to overtraining hence why ''one set'' seems so distant to us.
@Goldenwind21
@Goldenwind21 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@julioguerrero8849yeah although there ifffy on both high volume has been shown to work just as much if not more effective than HIT. It’s definitely not the best for strength or function or athletics
@PSA78
@PSA78 9 ай бұрын
There was a research paper released a while back that showed that triceps get the most stimulation being in its most stretch position (over head). Research shows a lot of these old things to be quite outdated. 🙂
@Legacy-Talks
@Legacy-Talks 9 ай бұрын
Are you referencing the Japan study from 2022? Its important to recognize that the participants were very low(21 people) and that it only compared the overhead cable extension with the cable tricep pushdown. It was not a study that compared it to dips or any other triceps exercise. So I'd still implement an overhead tricep extension movement but I wouldn't say we have enough evidence to label it the king of tricep muscle builders
@PSA78
@PSA78 9 ай бұрын
@@Legacy-Talks I honestly can't remember the details at all. Research is rarely fully completed, as you say, so I'm guessing we'll see more in the future about this. I started using rubber band attached high, that way I can lean in to it (forward) and create as much tension as I can hold (pretty much turn it into isometric at the end), it was a game changer for me. 🙂
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
Stretched position does provide the best stimulus, actually around 1.5x more stimulus. But overloading that is huge amounts of weight also provides over stimulus too. Can you have both in one exercise? no, you have to reduce either one or both. So make your choice. Dips if an overloading exercise, you are lifting your whole body (+more plates if you aren't heavy) Overhead single cable extensions gets you a HUUGE stretch but you can't lift much. I can overhead extentend the whole stack plus 45lbs with a straight bar up over my head for 10 reps, but with a single arm rope overhead extention, I have to reduce the weight drastically. Last paragraphy serves two purposes, 1) to draw an example 2) to boast, sorry. : ) LIIIIIFFFTTT
@PSA78
@PSA78 9 ай бұрын
@@KenanTurkiye I agree, we need both for best results. And sometimes doing things out of isolation (standing on our feet/athletic exercise), at least for 'functional' strength.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
@@PSA78 Yeah many ''good things'' to do, but I guess it all boils down to what ones priorities are. I'm no bodybuilder, I lift for health but I got arms going past 18 inches, all because off triceps growth, now lately my biceps are on a growth spurt, although I lift for health things are working out as a bodybuilder. lol
@Borislks
@Borislks 8 ай бұрын
Please keep em coming with Mentzers way of training different body parts! Thank you in advance :)
@geopietro
@geopietro 9 ай бұрын
Jeff, this was a great video. Thank you. It would be nice if you could do a short video about Mike Mentzer's HIT approach. I know you described some of it in this video but it would be great seeing a more generic (i.e. not triceps specific) discussion. Thank you again.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
STOP ! You're Doing Facepulls Wrong! ....waiting on that. :) Jokes aside, Jeff's vids are getting better and better.
@nando03012009
@nando03012009 9 ай бұрын
At this point. Everything we do, we're doing wrong m.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
@@nando03012009 You're message is wrong! lol I'm just been goofy, seriously though many of what Mentzer has said are correct, and Jeff is right in many of the things he has said, but many make fun of both because they don't get it.
@nando03012009
@nando03012009 9 ай бұрын
@KenanTurkiye I was being sarcastic.🤷‍♂️ I guess I need to work in my delivery hahaha
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
@@nando03012009lol you're doing great ! My comment about 'many making fun of Mentzer and Jeff' wasn't directed at you I had others in mind when writing that, fruit bearing trees get stoned! Keep me informed of you next stage appearance, I like a good comedy. :))
@nomnomyourmom
@nomnomyourmom 9 ай бұрын
"Stop Doing Face Pulls Like This! (SAVE A FRIEND)"
@richardlouis1284
@richardlouis1284 9 ай бұрын
Lying overhead tricep extension blew up my triceps more than dips but dips are underrated and are part of an overall fitness plan
@davesitarski2310
@davesitarski2310 8 ай бұрын
Jeff, thanks for introducing Mike Mentzer.
@comingverysoon
@comingverysoon 9 ай бұрын
I'm a firm believer in high-intensity + lower volume. It's a shame a lot more people aren't doing it. Mentzer's very specific takes on the concept are interesting. Sorry Mike, but I always do a 2nd set even though the 1st one is extremely intense. I compensate by resting a bit more between sets. I also avoid dips because DB BP, OH DB presses and heavy triangle cable pushdowns grow my chest, delts, and triceps vey well. Bottom line: IMO, the concept of high-intensity + lower volume is the most important thing to gain here, not Mentzer's exercise list and his "one set only" idea. I've found diminishing returns doesn't really bite hard until the 3rd set if you go to RIR 0 on the first two. RIR 0 is not the same as failure.
@jerryappleton6855
@jerryappleton6855 9 ай бұрын
Mile Mentzer always said that his specific workout recommendations were a "blue print" and "start" What one needed to do was take his principles, start with his basic program and build it up from there. Thus, if you lift after 3 days of recovery for a muscle and still increase in reps/weight, stick to it. If you can do 2 or even 3 exercises for a bodypart and still increase on them, stick with it. HIT is actually 3-5 sets per exercise, 2-3 sets per bodypart. It's just HOW to do it: the 1st 3/4 sets a lighter warm up with 1 working set to failure. And either a superset (2 exercises) with an intensity adder (the 3rd set).
@seanmartin4097
@seanmartin4097 9 ай бұрын
Might consider trying drop sets as set extenders. I hit 2-3 drops with as little time as possible between each, slow reps, maintaining a contracted state as long as possible and going for maximal stretch under load when applicable. 2 pyramiding up warmup sets + 1 active set with the set extenders and you won't need any additional sets.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
3:15 that's what nearly all of us do which is why gym's need to buy assisted dip machines.
@KenanTurkiye
@KenanTurkiye 9 ай бұрын
...yup every gym needs an assisted dip machine (preferably) or plate loaded seated dip machine, I've used both in previos gyms and triceps blew up, current gym doesn't have either.
@thesting6820
@thesting6820 9 ай бұрын
Another awesome video. The best exercise content on the net!
@stevegaspar
@stevegaspar 9 ай бұрын
Wild MM has been all over KZfaq and Tik Tok lately. Good to see. It's not for everyone but I recently moved to his heavy duty training and it works for my current lifestyle...short and intense workouts and only 2x per week. Love it right now
@drip369
@drip369 9 ай бұрын
3:46 that actually puts more on to the shoulders, you want to put your feet forward in a hollow body position and allow your elbows to go even further back
@nomnomyourmom
@nomnomyourmom 9 ай бұрын
video demo?
@Balkan_G
@Balkan_G 9 ай бұрын
Why do I keep doing everything wrong 💀
@hahacrackhead4100
@hahacrackhead4100 9 ай бұрын
Nothing in my life is going right. 😫
@JeromeProductions
@JeromeProductions 9 ай бұрын
Facts
@roollout4131
@roollout4131 9 ай бұрын
As long as you progressively overload it doesn't really matter what type of exercise you do. Just do what feels best for you
@Javier-vi6db
@Javier-vi6db 9 ай бұрын
​@@roollout4131yep
@hannibal5696
@hannibal5696 9 ай бұрын
Get it together, the family is looking down on you 😭
@xavi4208
@xavi4208 9 ай бұрын
Same issue with supraspinatus. Its time to reconsider lowering volume if u wanna b in the game x long. Thanks Jeff
@Mornomgir
@Mornomgir 9 ай бұрын
The good thing about pushdowns is that you can do 2 movements in one. The dip feel alongside the push feel. I think alot of people miss out on that.
@timgraysontv
@timgraysontv 9 ай бұрын
Mike Mentzer is a genius!
@stefanandermann7864
@stefanandermann7864 9 ай бұрын
Great stuff. Since Mike can't answer this, maybe you can. How does he rectify citing the upper body size of gymnasts while knowing they do extremely high volume and certainly don't rest for 4 to 7 to even 10 days like Mike preached? They still grow despite interfering with his recovery/growth period. Thanks, Jeff.
@nomnomyourmom
@nomnomyourmom 9 ай бұрын
Mike used gymnast as an example for dips, and Jeff doesn't believe 1 Set is the only way to build muscles
@thomasgumersell9607
@thomasgumersell9607 9 ай бұрын
Great video on training ones Triceps. Mike truly said some very important points. I focus in my own routine on doing dips. I find this exercise is important to getting a good pump on my Triceps. Im 57 yrs old so recovery and nutrition are very important in my daily life. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@MovewithDrMike
@MovewithDrMike 9 ай бұрын
I love this video! Dips are a staple to my program and can have great benefits for anyone looking to build a strong upper body! I would say that it is a skill to master the technique and proper range of motion but when you do.. boy it’s fantastic and effective!
@spider3web221
@spider3web221 9 ай бұрын
I'm 76 and have lifted since age 13. Usually do 3 sets of everything with 8 to 10 reps. I like the idea of fewer sets and working with heavier weights to failure but I worry that at my age muscles and tendons might be more prone to ripping. Anybody with thoughts on whether or not Mentzer's ideas pertain to old farts too.
@tonysako
@tonysako 9 ай бұрын
try the same weight just complete faulure with even forced reps less volume higher intensity should be fine its what i am doing
@paulball2137
@paulball2137 9 ай бұрын
I don‘t know if forced reps are the right approach for a 76 years old tho … If you’ve been training for such a long time and doing fine, that I would say don‘t change a running system.
@spider3web221
@spider3web221 9 ай бұрын
@@tonysako Might be safer to reach complete failure using a lesser weight for say 8 to 10 reps than a heavier weight and failing after say 3 or 4 reps. Just don't know what the weak link might be.
@spider3web221
@spider3web221 9 ай бұрын
@@paulball2137 Agreed. I need to focus more on maintenance rather than growth (at this point in life.)
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