Stormcloaks or Imperials? Skyrim Political Analysis

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Metatron

Metatron

9 жыл бұрын

Which side is worthy of the Dovahkiin? Both the Imperials and the Stormcloaks are very interesting factions to join and it is indeed a difficult decision to make as a immersive role player. After playing many hours in the game and trying both factions I have finally made my mind and I have chosen the faction I want to support :D I wish to extend respect to those who disagree and please ask you to consider this video as my personal opinion.

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@andrewfullerton1379
@andrewfullerton1379 7 жыл бұрын
Step 1: Side with Empire Step 2: Assassinate the Emperor
@mvmsma
@mvmsma 7 жыл бұрын
I did that on my first playthrough, I was like "Well, it looks like I'm an umpredictable mother fucker"
@mvmsma
@mvmsma 7 жыл бұрын
And then I killed the man who ordered the Emperor's death, just because the Emperor asked this as his last wish.
@mat5637
@mat5637 7 жыл бұрын
the emperor was one of the only person a genuily felt bad of killing... i knew it, he accepted his fate. just a man of honor ready to die in peace.
@mvmsma
@mvmsma 7 жыл бұрын
I felt bad for Victoria Vicci too (I think that's how we spell it). I mean, she was so happy for her marriage when I spoke with her, I spent 20 whole seconds until I finally got the courage to kill her and end the mission.
@TheJaker88
@TheJaker88 6 жыл бұрын
yeah my first char was a Nord, that joined the Imperials and killed the emperor xD
@diavolo7470
@diavolo7470 5 жыл бұрын
Grey beard dudes: Dovakin you are the dragon born you are the choosen ! Dragonborn:*Joins thief guys*
@brysetonwescott9573
@brysetonwescott9573 4 жыл бұрын
It's the best when I ended up doing a lot of the other factions main quests before moving on to the Thieves Guild. At one point, when I asked someone if they were trying to kill me, he said that he would have hired the Dark Brotherhood to do so, which was funny to me, considering I was the leader of them at that point. Same with them telling me to be careful in Winterhold while I was the Archmage of the College and had already let the Imperials into the city as per the truce between the Empire and the Stormcloaks. Just amusing to do early game content late, since they treat all of the "later game" content as something formidable.
@Ishamv3
@Ishamv3 4 жыл бұрын
@@brysetonwescott9573 Yeah, I feel guilty every time I enter the College of Winterhold in Thieves Guild uniform, and nobody stops, attacks, or even questions me.
@bungerbungerbunger246
@bungerbungerbunger246 4 жыл бұрын
Dragonborn: *joins assassin cult*
@arbodeltaco
@arbodeltaco 4 жыл бұрын
the dragonborn isn't necessarily meant to be good
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
@@arbodeltaco he is actually.
@unionsocialist4611
@unionsocialist4611 6 жыл бұрын
I...do not think the apparence of the general or how the armour looks counts as political analysis
@pandiwashere8193
@pandiwashere8193 4 жыл бұрын
My guy if some dude with cool armor tried to run for president they would have my vote 100%
@arifcso6633
@arifcso6633 3 жыл бұрын
Vote Obama because he has great armor lol
@ElPayasoMalo
@ElPayasoMalo 3 жыл бұрын
I, too, would vote Communist Party if the guy had cool red tie.
@charlie1234500
@charlie1234500 3 жыл бұрын
@@arifcso6633 lol He certainly does in the landscape of identity politics.
@idkk9013
@idkk9013 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlie1234500 your profile picture is killing me
@TheCheesybeef
@TheCheesybeef 5 жыл бұрын
I’d rather have Jarl Balgruuf as High King
@sir.spider
@sir.spider 5 жыл бұрын
He is a foolish Jarl, ULFRIC IS THE TRUE HIGH KING
@TheCheesybeef
@TheCheesybeef 5 жыл бұрын
@@sir.spider I'll meet you halfway with Nils, the cook at Candlehearth Hall, as High King.
@sir.spider
@sir.spider 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, what if the imperials and the stormcloaks go back to slaughtering the aldmeri dominion
@TheCheesybeef
@TheCheesybeef 5 жыл бұрын
@@sir.spider one can hope
@asparagoose8992
@asparagoose8992 5 жыл бұрын
TheCheesybeef “can’t just throw the big logs on the fire, gotta have the little ones too”
@Iris.ChaoticEvil
@Iris.ChaoticEvil 7 жыл бұрын
Incorrect, the correct side to be on is partysnax and the greybeards. Skyrim belongs to the old guys with beards who live on a mountain and listen to an ancient dragon.
@carnsolus
@carnsolus 7 жыл бұрын
oh you mean that random dragon the blades asked me to kill?
@sanspeter9925
@sanspeter9925 7 жыл бұрын
partysnax
@AmiableApple
@AmiableApple 7 жыл бұрын
A Damn Fiddle and dance to almighty chicken
@meowmers7085
@meowmers7085 7 жыл бұрын
Paarthurnax
@GStastny0
@GStastny0 7 жыл бұрын
Partysnax>Paarthurnax! You can never have enogh Partysnax.
@jexalmak3847
@jexalmak3847 7 жыл бұрын
"I don't like the Stormcloak armor" *shows a super low quality image" "But the Imperial armor..." * shows an image of Skyrim with HD texture mods*
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 7 жыл бұрын
I can't say no you are wrong, you do have a valid point xD
@zertualb820
@zertualb820 7 жыл бұрын
Metatron I hate the empire they tried to kill you in the beginning
@zertualb820
@zertualb820 7 жыл бұрын
True I have been both imperial and stormcloak but I will choose stormcloak the legion is a donkey
@Make_Solstiem_Great_Again
@Make_Solstiem_Great_Again 7 жыл бұрын
Ulfric did the exact same thing if not worse after retaking Markarth from the forsworn
@zertualb820
@zertualb820 7 жыл бұрын
The stromcloaks have flaws i will agree by imperials can died in a hole because gives you better weapons and missions that are better
@MrHarumakiSensei
@MrHarumakiSensei 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Imperial gear is better. That's why you should join the Stormcloaks so you can make a fortune selling off all the armour from slain Imperials.
@fzzy5739
@fzzy5739 2 жыл бұрын
based
@neoqwerty
@neoqwerty Жыл бұрын
Join the Stormcloaks so you don't get a bounty attacking the Thalmor patrols first, they have more expensive AND lighter armor. Meanwhile as Empire you have to stick to them for like 30 seconds before they get tired of you and attack.
@springheeljak145
@springheeljak145 Жыл бұрын
I usually follow Ralof in Helgen for this eason
@Conscious-01
@Conscious-01 5 жыл бұрын
You joined the imperials! Let me guess some one stole your sweet roll!!!
@AllinSBlack
@AllinSBlack 5 жыл бұрын
OMG LOL
@humanskinnergames4520
@humanskinnergames4520 4 жыл бұрын
Wrong ! You shot me in the knee! Btw your not dragonborn such a thing surely that's not possible
@pooferrsure2184
@pooferrsure2184 4 жыл бұрын
The empire sees the bigger picture there smarter then ulfric plus ulfric is rascist and a murderer!!!
@user-hr1iy4nz4s
@user-hr1iy4nz4s 4 жыл бұрын
@@pooferrsure2184 well were do y see something wrong with that
@MrAdamBrower
@MrAdamBrower 4 жыл бұрын
🤣
@wolfofsolace349
@wolfofsolace349 7 жыл бұрын
My only problem with joining the Empire is the fact that Maven Black-Briar becomes the Jarl of Riften, basically making it the most corrupt city in Skyrim.
@stokey99
@stokey99 7 жыл бұрын
it was corrupt anyway! by them
@kosipisakii
@kosipisakii 7 жыл бұрын
Riften is like Gotham in Skyrim and it's awesome
@stokey99
@stokey99 7 жыл бұрын
......
@Mythinu
@Mythinu 7 жыл бұрын
maven was in control of riften in everything besides name. not much changes when she becomes jarl, because law-giver was only in control in name. the fact of the matter is, the only thing that changes in politics is the fact of where she sits during the day
@stokey99
@stokey99 7 жыл бұрын
i said that in short form Mythinu
@Tribune_of_Italia
@Tribune_of_Italia 8 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter who's the most powerful, because the dragonborn decides who wins in the end.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 8 жыл бұрын
Heroes depart after their prophecies are fulfilled: thus was the case of the Vestige, thus was the case of the Nerevarine, thus was the case with the Champion of Cyrodiil, thus will be the case of the Dragonborn
@jackal5359
@jackal5359 8 жыл бұрын
+HumanOfPrey unless he gains immortality from hermaeus mora like miraak did
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 8 жыл бұрын
Random combat evolved elite If Miraak were immortal then you wouldn't be able to kill him.
@InsaynZane01
@InsaynZane01 8 жыл бұрын
+HumanOfPrey You didn't kill Miraak,Herma-Mora did so yeah took a GOD to kill Miraak.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 8 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Wilkey If Mora killed Miraak then why did he need YOU to deal with him?
@lorenambrose5858
@lorenambrose5858 5 жыл бұрын
I wish that all Stormcloaks were like Ralof.
@tarheelpro87
@tarheelpro87 Жыл бұрын
Instead what we get is an army comprised of mostly racists.
@miguelcondadoolivar5149
@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Жыл бұрын
If both factions were filled only with their best traits, the conflict wouldn't be necessary.
@xijinping6235
@xijinping6235 Жыл бұрын
Ralof is quite racist to dark elves
@miguelcondadoolivar5149
@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Жыл бұрын
@@xijinping6235 Being racist in Tamriel is different from being racist in real life.
@xijinping6235
@xijinping6235 Жыл бұрын
How so , judging people based on their race is bad irl and in Tamriel
@actomobile
@actomobile 4 жыл бұрын
I chose Stormcloaks everytime for a sole purpose of revenge for having the Imperials trying to chop off my head on the first encounter
@Valencetheshireman927
@Valencetheshireman927 4 жыл бұрын
It was one imperial captain. It’s not like the emperor himself ordered it .🤷‍♂️
@lakkakka
@lakkakka 4 жыл бұрын
@@Valencetheshireman927 general tulius was there and didn't stop it. Since he is the leader of the legion there, all the legion deserves to die as long as they serve him. Everyone there that doesn't do something or say something deserves to die, because they expedited my death. And without ulric and his stormcloaks I'd never been arrested for bupkiss. So they deserve to die as well. So I refrain from joining either.In my headcanon my archmage has mindaltering spells which made delphine less off a bitch about the whole pa'arthunax thing. Besides as long as he is alive I have someone to spar with and practice my dragonspeech. If he becomes a threat I can kill him then. Delphine should understand this. I do become the thane of all reaches.
@coachlombardi9657
@coachlombardi9657 4 жыл бұрын
That's exactly why I joined the first time I played, but after that, I decided to just stay neutral, though I have been feeling like joining the Imperials after hearing a lot of bad things about Ulfric Stormcloak and the things he did.
@Valencetheshireman927
@Valencetheshireman927 4 жыл бұрын
@Iakkakka- General Tullius didn’t stop it because he was busy dealing with the Thalmor and remember. The player is caught in an imperial ambush WITH Stormcloaks which makes things just a bit suspicious even if you aren’t on the list . You say all the Legion there deserve to die as long as they serve them but why ? Don’t you think that sounds a bit over the top ? Many of those Legionnaires didn’t do anything because they COULDN’T because it was the responsibility of the imperial commander holding the list and actually Hadvar does try to help the player so by your logic he shouldn’t die right even though he supports general Tullius . You are right about Ulfric deserving to die because he is indeed responsible for your being captured in the first place . In response to your head cannon thing .Ok.
@greggoodman3303
@greggoodman3303 4 жыл бұрын
@@Valencetheshireman927 8:57 General Tullius busy with watching execution... Both sides of this conflict are bad. One side will try to kill me without proper sentence, the other one are racists (I play Argonian/Khajiit 80% of the time).
@0307scott
@0307scott 7 жыл бұрын
General Tullius is against the Aldmeri Domiion. It would have been a good quest line if you could boot the Thalmor out of Skyrim. At the "Peace" meeting at High Hrothgar I tell the Thalmor Ambassador Elenwen to get out, all though I supported the Empire I will not have the Thalmor attend the meeting. I'm constantly attacked by Thalmor Justicars, no matter where in Skyrim I am.
@straxwb
@straxwb 7 жыл бұрын
Killing them is one of my favourite things to do in Skyrim, honestly.
@0307scott
@0307scott 7 жыл бұрын
Mine too.
@regular_ian
@regular_ian 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with both of you
@raynes6286
@raynes6286 7 жыл бұрын
Stark Avenger I think that would be too major an event to tag onto Skyrim, you'd have Tullius' men and presumably the Stormcloaks forging a large Skyrim Military that'd be separate from the rest of the Empire. I recon the issue will be addressed in the next ES, hopefully they'll have an engine good enough to support the amount of troops on screen for a battle in the Second Great War.
@natelandherr5202
@natelandherr5202 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly why I joined the Stormcloaks as a Bosmer in my first playthrough, Racism beats Thalmor genocide. Now in my second playthrough, also as a Bosmer, I haven't joined a side.
@achicken2699
@achicken2699 7 жыл бұрын
What about us chickens of riverwood! We were at the greybeard peace meating too!..... just on the table......
@achicken2699
@achicken2699 7 жыл бұрын
get it... "meating"
@secutorprimus
@secutorprimus 6 жыл бұрын
This one believes in you.
@joer.6548
@joer.6548 6 жыл бұрын
Shut up you stupid no good little clucker!
@bearski8947
@bearski8947 6 жыл бұрын
A Chicken lol
@dragongeneral7802
@dragongeneral7802 6 жыл бұрын
you funny😒😒😓😔😔😔😔
@AnishChari
@AnishChari 4 жыл бұрын
"Skyrim Political Analysis" "The Empire are best because they have cooler looking armor"
@shadysam7161
@shadysam7161 4 жыл бұрын
I just.... Really like Rome...
@AngryFishing
@AngryFishing 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@CoolGuy-pn1vm
@CoolGuy-pn1vm 3 жыл бұрын
Pants? No? Ok.
@finn_in_the_bin5263
@finn_in_the_bin5263 2 жыл бұрын
-me sorting my Yu-Gi-Oh! cards at 7 years old
@MrGibbs-cr9zs
@MrGibbs-cr9zs 5 жыл бұрын
"Whoever has the coolest looking armor"
@ra_alf9467
@ra_alf9467 4 жыл бұрын
So, Thalmor Justiciar, eh?
@danilima6970
@danilima6970 4 жыл бұрын
@@ra_alf9467 totally,their tunics are like wizard batman.
@sub2zocrixpls328
@sub2zocrixpls328 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Gibbs stormcloak looks cooler. The imperial’s have skirts and high boots like little girls when their grown ass men
@MrGibbs-cr9zs
@MrGibbs-cr9zs 4 жыл бұрын
@@sub2zocrixpls328 yeah the TES V Imperials have laughable armor
@zach4832
@zach4832 4 жыл бұрын
YaBoiXaraz I’m sorry but the Stormcloak (males) have beer guts... they don’t look intimidating either.
@natu101yay
@natu101yay 8 жыл бұрын
You think the elves have it bad? The kahjiit and argonians are not even allowed in windhelm.
@Hackneyed
@Hackneyed 8 жыл бұрын
I dont know I am a khajitt and I get into windhelm pretty fine
@natu101yay
@natu101yay 8 жыл бұрын
+Tomlou24 The NPC kahjiit and argonians are not allowed in. Obviously Bethesda wouldn't block you from entering a city because of your race.
@Hackneyed
@Hackneyed 8 жыл бұрын
+natu101yay heres the thing if the guards say skyrim and her people does that exclude khajitts and other guys
@Hackneyed
@Hackneyed 8 жыл бұрын
+natu101yay which one would you choose stormcloak or empire
@natu101yay
@natu101yay 8 жыл бұрын
+Tomlou24 It depends on the city, if it is stormcloak controlled the mean the nords only, the imperials mean everyone. I chose the empire.
@joshuameeks385
@joshuameeks385 6 жыл бұрын
People in Skrim say Ulfric is the truest Nord of us all but I think the truest Nord is Jarl Bulgruuf the Greater
@TheBorogrove
@TheBorogrove 6 жыл бұрын
Joshua Meeks Nah Baalgraf is a total ass. Think of what he does for you; you rock up after nearly being executed and he immediately sends you off to fight a dragon as you have "the most experience". You somehow survived and he "rewards" you by making you a carer for his ungrateful, intellectually disabled and rejected illegitimate daughter Lydia. "I am sworn to carry your burdens". Must have been stoked to get rid of her onto a sucker like you. You pay 5000 gold for a house and it is the worst house in the game and called "Breezehome" as it is full of holes. Lydia is the only one who lives in it anyway scoffing down your sweet rolls all day. He is a hypocrite accepting gold to stop talks worship while secretly worshipping him himself. Gray-mane as jarl is keen to capture the dragon but baalgraf is incredibly self interested as usual. He even just abandons his kids when he leaves after surrendering. I wish I the ebony blade quest hadn't been gutted so we could have had his crappy kids kill him.
@gabo1841997
@gabo1841997 5 жыл бұрын
He is also a great, pragmatist ruler.
@baltonus1120
@baltonus1120 4 жыл бұрын
Joshua Meeks what? XD please tell me is a Joke, he received huge sums of gold by the empire to shush and cooperate with them, his housecarl mentions it and he gets angry for her to mention it
@dbsale7425
@dbsale7425 4 жыл бұрын
Jarl balling
@Galaxy-rj1kj
@Galaxy-rj1kj 4 жыл бұрын
American Patriot4041 boi
@thefoolishchannel6712
@thefoolishchannel6712 4 жыл бұрын
even if the Stormcloaks manage to take over Skyrim, they have basically just made an enemy of the entire continent
@travisbaker7547
@travisbaker7547 4 жыл бұрын
Not entire continent .....there are still storm cloak jackasses galavanting around 💁
@thefoolishchannel6712
@thefoolishchannel6712 4 жыл бұрын
@@travisbaker7547 economically, the entire continent.
@valleyofshava
@valleyofshava 4 жыл бұрын
The Foolish Channel I’m sure them and hammer fell would pair up and fight the thalmor and the empire
@Lolpy.
@Lolpy. 4 жыл бұрын
Not entirely, Hammerfell was independent as well, they’d have no reason to hold a grudge against them. Hell, they could even form an alliance.
@thefoolishchannel6712
@thefoolishchannel6712 4 жыл бұрын
@Uncle Lucifer Zed I also chose stormcloaks the first time, because the empire tried to behead the dragonborn so the stormcloaks were an obvious choice. But then I started digging into Skyrim lore.
@DarkZholt
@DarkZholt 6 жыл бұрын
I played as an Imperial and sided with the Legion. I would always wear Imperial Armor with a Talos necklace, using my fashion to make it clear that I was against the religious oppression going on. I gave no mercy to the Thalmor and helped the Stormcloaks a few times because they were not always wrong, but still, their wish for secession is not the best thing for Skyrim and is not the best thing for the Empire of Talos.
@olvustin6671
@olvustin6671 9 ай бұрын
...that's the stupid thing, you would've been get caught and imprisoned for talos worship. If you support talos you are team stormcloak mate as easy as that. -Random guy 5 year later
@aggressiveworshiper3155
@aggressiveworshiper3155 9 ай бұрын
@@olvustin6671it’s not that black and white
@olvustin6671
@olvustin6671 9 ай бұрын
@@aggressiveworshiper3155 it actually is, if he is openly worshipping Talos he would've been arrested, the only reason he isn't arrested is that this is a game. Edit (I didn't wanna make two comments) One can't be like "I worship talos but I am with the empire because they have a better chances" this won't slip away from thalmor they would definitely use this to crack down on him. This is the exact reason Stormcloaks are fighting, cuz they like Talos and thalmor bastards are dragging people out from their HOME, like the most personal space possible. To think one can openly say they are picking the side of the talos is wild (if they also say they are working with the empire)
@robbietheweirdo
@robbietheweirdo 9 ай бұрын
@@olvustin6671 i mean when you kill ulfric rikke say's "Talos guide you" so the empire will allow their own to worship talos
@maxd.9455
@maxd.9455 7 ай бұрын
​@@olvustin6671you could worship talos. Just not publicly. But when the rebellion began the thalmor came to stop worship. Stormcloaks are the reason the thalmor are there. Its their own fault
@pfft5795
@pfft5795 8 жыл бұрын
WE ARE THE SONS OF SKYRIM!!! STORMCLOAKS FOREVER!
@jackriggins7401
@jackriggins7401 8 жыл бұрын
Stormcloaks for life
@thelastofdeers8067
@thelastofdeers8067 8 жыл бұрын
StromCloak is love, StormCloak is life
@jackriggins7401
@jackriggins7401 8 жыл бұрын
+LAW TheLastDeerAlive that is true and we are the true sons of skyrim
@pfft5795
@pfft5795 8 жыл бұрын
***** Dead.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 8 жыл бұрын
+Stormcloak Yeah, all hail Ulfric, the true High King of Skyrim. The same said "True High King of Skyrim" who foolishly walked into an Imperial ambush and surrendered meekly to the Imperials instead of fighting in “victory or Sovngarde” style.
@marsnz1002
@marsnz1002 8 жыл бұрын
playing dunmer escape Helgen with my boy Ralof, damn Imperials tried to execute me Ralof be like `go to Windhelm` Get to windhelm First Nord I see: `the fuck you looking at elf?` :(
@XoRandomGuyoX
@XoRandomGuyoX 8 жыл бұрын
Let that be a lesson to you: Captain Bitch does not represent the entire Empire.
@tyrannosaurusrex26
@tyrannosaurusrex26 7 жыл бұрын
I learned that the hard way with my Argonian playthrough.
@TheAscendedSaiyanEliteV1TM
@TheAscendedSaiyanEliteV1TM 7 жыл бұрын
Tell me: is he a Stormcloak? No, so just ignore that Drunken Man.
@HammerheadGuitar
@HammerheadGuitar 7 жыл бұрын
+XoRandomGuyoX True she was actually quite nice for an imperial dog.
@Buzzy_Bland
@Buzzy_Bland 7 жыл бұрын
Mark Diaz Rolff Stonefist is very much a Stormcloak. He's very vocal about how he hates the Dark Elves for *not supporting their Stormcloaks*. Doesn't really help his case when you realize he's Galmar Stonefist's brother.
@MrOgge50
@MrOgge50 5 жыл бұрын
There are pros and cons of both but I must personally say that I’m an imperial.
@MrOgge50
@MrOgge50 Жыл бұрын
@guyinfedora I think Skyrim has bigger problems than that
@samuelking4723
@samuelking4723 2 жыл бұрын
The reason it’s so tough for me is because I agree with the Stormcloaks’ desire for freedom and autonomy, but I also like Solitude and Whiterun a lot more than Windhelm. I also usually play a “nord hero” character, so that makes it hard from a rp perspective to side with the empire. I feel better about myself siding with the Stormcloaks, but I prefer the actual in-game effects of siding with the Imperials.
@finn_in_the_bin5263
@finn_in_the_bin5263 2 жыл бұрын
i have a somewhat similar stance, i honestly kind of agree with the stormcloaks just as much as i do the imperials, but 1- i don't trust ulfric, and 2- their impatience may well be not just their downfall but the downfall of the empire as well, leaving both sides war-torn and weary when the thalmor inevitably attack again
@pestolinguine7281
@pestolinguine7281 2 жыл бұрын
Hadvar and Legate Rikke are nords but they are part of the Imperial Legions
@samuelking4723
@samuelking4723 2 жыл бұрын
@@pestolinguine7281 They’re spineless traitors
@Enaccul
@Enaccul Жыл бұрын
I feel like even as a nord tho, siding with the stormcloaks ultimately just weakens skyrim and the empire enough that the Thalmor will just sweep in after and remove what very little resistance is left. Especially since it's established that the empire presence in skyrim is just a much smaller portion of the empire's larger military which is really fighting the Thalmor. The Thalmor are the real villans so joining the stormcloaks, at least during the events of skyrim is really really dumb if you actually care about freedom and autonomy because you'll have even less (if you survive) after the thalmor take over because you defeated the force holding them back. Can the stomcloaks defeat the empire presence in skyrim? Yes those resistance freedom fighters CAN barely win, if the dragonborn helps. Can they defeat the entire empire? Lol no, the Thalmor? Lol no, even the empire is struggling. So no, I feel like joining the stormcloaks is the surest way to doom skyrim, maybe all of Tamriel to be ruled by the Thalmor. Something nobody wants, unless you're role playing as basically the nazis of Tamriel who want world domination and supremacy of the high elves above all other races. The only reason the Nordstrom of skyrim hate the empire is because they HAD to sign the white gold concordat, which was BECAUSE of the thalmor. WHY do you think the thalmor wanted to ban Talos worship? They wanted to weaken skyrim by causing a religious rebellion. So, join the empire, defeat the Thalmor so you can undo the white gold Concordat and allow Talos worship again. Unless you HONESTY believe that the stormcloaks can, not just hold off the Thalmor (they can starve out the province via controlling supply routes etc.) But actually DEFEAT the thalmor, and be okay with the power vacuum and ensuing chaos that would follow from removing BOTH current world powers, going stormcloak makes no sense. Just privately worship talos and do what you can to defeat the Thalmor if you are role-playing as a Nord, or care about the Nords' religious freedom.
@samuelking4723
@samuelking4723 Жыл бұрын
@@Enaccul 1) the Redguards single-handedly held off the thalmor 2) what’s the point in trading one dictator for another? 3) “If I’m to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.” I’m a libertarian irl and the concept of willingly sacrificing freedoms now in the hopes of a safer life later fundamentally contradicts my core values. We can argue all day about why that is but just know I have good reasons for that and you aren’t gonna change my mind, lol. More debatably, I’d say a “nord hero of old” archetype would very strongly agree with that sentiment and would without a second thought fight off the empire and be willing to die trying fighting off the thalmor.
@vunix1234567890
@vunix1234567890 8 жыл бұрын
I always choose the Imperials! We still hold Talos in our hearts, for this is Talos' empire! (Although we shouldn't be letting the Thalmor run around Skyrim as they please... we ALL know they're after the Stones)
@F4aXxZ
@F4aXxZ 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Carne The thing is most don't understand that the Imperials doesn't like the Thalmor but atm they have to follow the white-gold concordat till they can fight for it again...
@vunix1234567890
@vunix1234567890 8 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The Empire doesn't want those Thalmor Fucks having their way anymore than the traitors do.
@DouchebagAssholeify
@DouchebagAssholeify 8 жыл бұрын
+DragonSlayer673 The empire itself does not. It's just one of the conditions of their current truce.
@gregheffly
@gregheffly 8 жыл бұрын
+DragonSlayer673 because of the thalmor. think prohibition in the USA
@vunix1234567890
@vunix1234567890 8 жыл бұрын
DragonSlayer, it is because the Thalmor knew that banning Talos worship would cause rebellion. The Thalmor want Skyrim defenseless so they can go in and destroy Snow Throat.
@lordmegatron4789
@lordmegatron4789 6 жыл бұрын
the title says political analysis yet you go on for 10 minutes about which faction looks more stylish lololololol
@lordmegatron4789
@lordmegatron4789 6 жыл бұрын
i can't argue with a response like that
@tco8439
@tco8439 6 жыл бұрын
presentation is like 90% of politics :P its all smoke and mirrors.
@kingchris9167
@kingchris9167 6 жыл бұрын
nick bergman If you dig into the thalmor embassy, you will figure out that sulfuric sold out troop movements to the Thalmor for gold. While that gold did fund the war against the imperials, it allowed the imperials to kill many soldiers. For that reason I sides with the empire.
@HGodwin1
@HGodwin1 6 жыл бұрын
king chris That is absolutely incorrect. Ulfric's dossier in the Embassy reads: "Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape." He was interrogated for information. Then he got the 1984 treatment and *was made to believe* that information obtained led to the fall of the Imperial City. He was tortured for information and then tricked into believing he sold out his country to the Thalmor. That's a far cry from selling out the Empire for gold.
@onup1475
@onup1475 6 жыл бұрын
I do agree that the general has some NICE armor.... just another reason to join the storm cloaks
@Kevin3dp
@Kevin3dp 5 жыл бұрын
I first sided with the Stormcloaks but then something happened which made me do a U turn. It was something Jarl Balgruud said in his throne room after you defeat him: "We Nords ARE the empire. Our blood built it. Our blood sustains it." Considering the history of the empire that made me realise that I was fighting on the wrong side.
@olvustin6671
@olvustin6671 9 ай бұрын
Nord blood indeed made the empire, but it grew to be an outside entity. They put it's existence above the nords, bowing before the elves allowing their inquisitors to drag nords out of their homes and execute for worshipping Talos. In the lands of the Empire, in Skyrim, in the birthplace of Talos.
@BAEHELPJAYDO
@BAEHELPJAYDO 9 ай бұрын
​@@olvustin6671The Empire was forced to do that. Plus they made it known the Empire only plans to temporarily listen to the Thalmor and are building up their strength to battle the thalmor again. But the stormcloaks are so stupid they'd rather ruin their chances of winning the war rather than take a temporary loss
@olvustin6671
@olvustin6671 9 ай бұрын
@@BAEHELPJAYDO Look around my fellow kinsman!The thalmor officials are everywhere, dragging people out of their homes and executing them for worshipping the founder of the Empire. Meanwhile Empire is not just allowing this to happen but prosecute those who try to stop this madness. They betrayed the people of skyrim, abandoned Hammerfell, for what? So they could continue to survive, at the cost of what they once stood for! Empire has become a machine, a cancer, it's only concern is to keep existing. It stopped caring about the people living inside a long time ago! The Empire was built not only by clever tactics and diplomacy but heroism shown in front of the incredible odds and determination. We need a leader who won't fold under the threat of Thalmor, we need a leader who will stand up for the people of skyrim. Just like talos we will make through these dark times! Btw Ulfric didn't do anything that goes against the traditions of the Empire, he beat the emperor in a fair duel, so he is in fact the rightful ruler. (Also Stormcloaks are only fighting one legion at the start of the game and the rest is defending the border, so if stormcloaks defeat this legion they might keep controlling rest of the legions. But biggest pluss to stormcloaks is that this is a fantasy game and they are the underdogs, they have a good chance of winning according to rule of cool)
@brothers_of_nod
@brothers_of_nod 9 ай бұрын
@@BAEHELPJAYDO And what then do you suggest they do hm? Sit idly by while Thalmor are allowed to go about and spirit away people in the middle of the night? Skyrim must put her own people first, and right now her people are being harmed by the Thalmor under the permission of the Empire. "An Empire too weak too rule them, yet brands them criminals for wanting to rule themselves." They don't need the empire to win, Hammerfell didn't, neither does Skyrim.
@BAEHELPJAYDO
@BAEHELPJAYDO 9 ай бұрын
@@brothers_of_nod Yes they VERY much NEED the Empire to win. Hammerfell is not the same thing as Skyrim. People need to stop making that comparison. And Hammerfell didn't win. They battled to a stalemate, after they both called cease fire. And the Empire aren't sitting idly by. They are literally regrouping to finally end the Thalmor😂. Ulfric and his stormcloaks are just making it harder for the Empire to win. The Thalmor themselves see how stupid Ukfric is and actually want him to win so that it weakens the Empire.......the Thalmor purposely try to prolong the civil war by supplying the Stormcloaks and breaking out Ulfric from captivity. All the smart characters in the game all realise the Empire is grouping up to beat the Thalmor.
@blackfyre4578
@blackfyre4578 4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to join the stormcloaks when the game explicitly makes it clear they are just tools for the Thalmor.
@YoutubeMadeMePickHandle
@YoutubeMadeMePickHandle 4 жыл бұрын
BLACKFYRE it doesn’t make it clear. You’re referring to the mission where you sneak into the embassy. The book merely states that, yes, they essentially orchestrated the civil war, but that either side winning would be disastrous. So the question still stands “stormcloaks or imperials”, because either side winning decisively hurts the thalmor.
@lordhelmchen3154
@lordhelmchen3154 4 жыл бұрын
@@KZfaqMadeMePickHandle But a victorious Empire would be way worse for the Thalmor. They would be stronger, with skilled Nord soldiers and supplies from an additional province at their back when it comes to a second war between Thalmor and Empire. If Stormcloakes win the Empie loses all that and has another potential enemy at their back to create a war on multiple fronts. Thus the Thalmor could easily conquer the Empire and after that they would have an incredibly easy time defeating a single isolated province still weakened by civil war. So yes the Stormcloaks are clearly just puppets for the Thalmor. What they are saying in their documents is that they just don't want the civil war to end *too soon* to further weaken the victor.
@piccoloatburgerking
@piccoloatburgerking 4 жыл бұрын
That is just asinine. The game makes it clear that Stormcloaks are tools of the Thalmor? Then what are the Imperials then? They openly sold themselves to the Dominion. Not only that, they're crippled badly as it is, they can't do shit to the Dominion with or without the Stormcloak's existence because they're driven by bureaucracies and not practicality. The Imperial City is rekt, many parts of Southern Cyrodiil have been burned and destroyed in the war and stayed that way with banditry and drugs on the loose and the Stormcloaks aren't there. Just because the dossier in the Thalmor embassy says that Ulfric's fighting will indirectly benefit them by the virtue of crippling the Empire further, doesn't mean they're their tools, because they're counting on the war prolonging. Once the Empire is out of the way, Stormcloaks, who aren't bought by the Thalmor can finally fight them with full force and the Dovahkiin's presence means they'll win.
@septimus7524
@septimus7524 4 жыл бұрын
@@piccoloatburgerking The Stormcloaks are exactly that... Ulfric is an asset to the Thalmor.. And it's documented quite clearly. In the quest where you sneak into the Thalmor Embassy (looking for leads as to why the Dragons are returning) you will find an entire Dossier on Ulfric written by Elenwen. This Civil War was more than enough to keep the Empire occupied and weakened, while the Thalmor rebuilt their strength and prepared for the next war (which IS coming. It's not a matter of IF.. just WHEN). The Dossier saying Ulfric is an asset to the thalmor means EXACTLY THAT! They are tools! Useful assets to help the Thalmor, but they're too blinded by their own pride to see that! ELENWEN LITERALLY WENT TO HELGEN TO STOP TULLIUS FROM EXECUTING ULFRIC YOU BRAIN DEAD ANCHOVIE. THIS is a video showing unused Dialogue between Elenwen and Tullius at Helgen (This Dialogue would go to be unused in the final game before Tullius' dialogue could be recorded) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mcCGqdeZ19a9nqM.html ...No. Sorry but that is just absurd. The EMPIRE were nearly defeated by the Thalmor.. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LEGIONARIES were the back bone of the Empire, and were almost crushed.. You ACTUALLY believe Skyrim ALONE could defeat the fucking Thalmor? Even IF the Dovahkiin were to fight in that war? I'm not going to sugar coat it, that is absolutely retarded. There is NO WAY Skyrim can take on the THALMOR on their own. This entire civil war could've been so easily avoided. The Empire did ban Talos worship, no shit. But.. You forgot one crucial detail you can learn from Hadvar's uncle in Riverwood... THE EMPIRE DIDN'T FUCKIN' ENFORCE THE BAN... LITERALLY LETTING PEOPLE WORSHIP TALOS SO LONG AS THE THALMOR DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT... Ulfric should've just seen past the idiocy that blinds him, and see that the White-Gold Concordat would not last long. It will ONLY last until the next war begins (Which is already fast approaching) You Stormcloaks are no true Nords.. You dishonor and disgrace Talos by attempting to tear apart the Empire he worked so hard to build.
@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.
@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. 4 жыл бұрын
@@septimus7524 on one hand, I want to thank you for this write up, you got great points and helped me make a decision. On the other hand, you sound mad af loool Good comment bruh
@eduardoADSL
@eduardoADSL 8 жыл бұрын
"This was our land. We were here first. Then the Nords came and put chains on us. Forbid us from worshipping our gods." - Madanach about the Forsworn uprising, and the Jarl of Markath is allied to Ulfric. Then I joined the empire to fight that hypocrite.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 8 жыл бұрын
Ulfric - The Empire wants to take over our land and this isn't right. Madanach - AWWWW really? Tell me more.
@dereinepeterpan5637
@dereinepeterpan5637 8 жыл бұрын
The Forsworn sacrafice humans, every sane person would forbid that. Talos on the other hand is no harm to anyone, still the empire tolerate nazi elves taking talos worshipper away to torture and execution.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 8 жыл бұрын
Der Eine Peter Pan The Forsworn sacrifice humans, the Dark Elves and Orcs worship Daedric Princes and Wood Elves are cannibals. Why are you making all that fuss? If you want to join a faction that fights for religious freedom, you MUST respect the religion of the others.
@eduardoADSL
@eduardoADSL 8 жыл бұрын
Der Eine Peter Pan As far i know they sacrifice only their warriors using hagravens to become briarhearts. They are not Aztec-like that sacrificed people all day to make the sun rise. (and i leave the suggestion for metatron analyse how efficient the aztec obsidian sword would be against a spanish soldier).
@dereinepeterpan5637
@dereinepeterpan5637 8 жыл бұрын
Eduardo Augusto The leading hagravens belong to them and they sacrifice animals, giants and humans (as far as I remember from the game). They may experimenting to turn these people into briarhearts though, but deffinetly against their wills (I don´t think a giant would join any faction)
@TheBrothergreen
@TheBrothergreen 7 жыл бұрын
I always find it funny when someone's argument is "i like to roleplay my skyrim." You can't "roleplay" either faction. You, dovakin, have equal claim to the throne as ulfric the Usurper, and you are going to go to him and gravel at his feet and beg to single-handedly install him on the throne of skyrim? Really? You, thane of a dozen cities, leader of a dozen guilds, arch-mage of all skyrim, emissary to the psijic order and one of the wealthiest denizens of the land, and oh yeah, the only other wielder of the voice who can stand against ulfric stormcloak in all of skyrim, are going to take a position in the empire's military *below* a general? Both sides should literally be begging you to join them... and even then, a role-player would probably just shrug, say "there's nothing you can give me worth my time" and maybe, *MAYBE,* not join the war on a 3rd side. If you're lucky.
@VandalCleaver
@VandalCleaver 7 жыл бұрын
He's High King Ulfric Stormcloak,he was High King from the moment Torygg felt life escape his frail body.A man with the power that a Dovahkiin has can still be a meek liberal in his ideology,something that would bring Tamriel to ruin.People like Ulfric are needed for their mind,his will my hands.
@GCChrist
@GCChrist 7 жыл бұрын
TheBrothergreen And dragons have domination and rebellion against authority in their nature, so if the option were presented our dear dovahkii
@GCChrist
@GCChrist 7 жыл бұрын
Accidentally hit send on that comment, sorry about that I was going to say that our dear dovahkiin would gladly accept the opportunity.
@17MrLeon
@17MrLeon 6 жыл бұрын
Wiat you play multiple questlines with one same character?
@lMsAutumnl
@lMsAutumnl 6 жыл бұрын
TheBrothergreen most people who actually role play their character don't do 100% of the game. A rogue character might join the thieves and dark brotherhood and avoid the war, or join the war from the shadows. Mage character joins the mages guild duh. And so on with different types of characters
@ovenwater4699
@ovenwater4699 3 жыл бұрын
I was with the stormcloaks until they exiled Jarl Balgruuf, he was one of my favourite characters
@d.mat.zero6525
@d.mat.zero6525 5 жыл бұрын
White Gold Concordat more like the brown gold Concordat BC I wipe my A** with it.
@BoJangles42
@BoJangles42 4 жыл бұрын
Oy! I’ll take your head for that!
@brodybrown6921
@brodybrown6921 3 жыл бұрын
D. Mat.Zero6 I completely agree
@eagleye2893
@eagleye2893 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Off with Medes head! Oh wait you actually did that already? *And* you killed the guy who ordered his head? Ok ok. Hey! What do you think you- *Splat* *Eagleye 28 has died.*
@crageth
@crageth 7 жыл бұрын
I played both factions once and hated both, I said screw the war, I am in the dragon hunter faction now... I hate it that you HAVE to decide for one side, why cant you bring peace or (What would be my choice) kill them all. I would wipe the stormcloaks, the imperials and the elves. Screw them all. Give me my modded lightsaber, a black robe and a lightning spell and I will hunt them all down.
@TheMineCats
@TheMineCats 7 жыл бұрын
technically you can, don't do any Civil War missions until you capture the dragon for Balgruff (jarl of Whiterun), and he will trigger the mission Season Unending, in which you and the Graybeards hold a peace summit
@crageth
@crageth 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah like for how long? Until the end of the mission? Screw both factions xD
@TheMineCats
@TheMineCats 7 жыл бұрын
cragethGER until you intervene. unless you make it otherwise, Skyrim will be at peace.
@officernasty6023
@officernasty6023 7 жыл бұрын
cragethGER Yeah! Why can't I bring peace to two (and a half) fundamentally opposed Factions? Why can't I destroy a convoluted empire that has endured for 3,000 years? Why can't I kill an entire idea? Why can't I be Jesus?!
@abyssstrider2547
@abyssstrider2547 7 жыл бұрын
cragethGER nooo don't be in dragon slayer faction be in greybeards faction and don't kill their dragon he is only one who should stay alive
@terrorandstarvation
@terrorandstarvation 8 жыл бұрын
I join the Stormcloaks because fuck Maven Black-Briar. I join the Imperials because Jarl Balgruff needs to keep ballin'. Nope, I think I'll just become High King of Skyrim.
@Become-Eggplant
@Become-Eggplant 8 жыл бұрын
Why be high king, when you can take the whole empire?
@quadrillion92
@quadrillion92 8 жыл бұрын
why not just take all tamriel?
@altansirin5830
@altansirin5830 8 жыл бұрын
Why not take all Nirn?
@Become-Eggplant
@Become-Eggplant 8 жыл бұрын
Altan Şirin To much trouble to go to Akavir or Atmora. And we all know that the elven homeland is going to suck.
@Megablast668
@Megablast668 8 жыл бұрын
Why not take all of Mundus?
@poundtowner1992
@poundtowner1992 6 жыл бұрын
“I like the open mindedness of the Empire.” Bans a religion*
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 6 жыл бұрын
It's their own religion, and it's only banned out of necessity, not out of free will.
@yochaiwyss3843
@yochaiwyss3843 4 жыл бұрын
Because the Knife Ears forced them and even after that they didn't spare a single officer to enfore that law. Shit went down once Ulfric went around screaming his lungs out and attracted the attention of the Knife Ears which made the whole thing to be a violation made by the empire as a whole and thus a Casus Belli which the Imperials do their damnest to deny because they are unable to fight another war. Ulfric is the reason for his own oppression.
@rurushu8094
@rurushu8094 4 жыл бұрын
William Pounder damn faithless imperials
@Valencetheshireman927
@Valencetheshireman927 4 жыл бұрын
The ban on Talos worship isn’t supposed to be permanent. The Stormcloaks just blew the entire thing out of proportion .
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
@@Valencetheshireman927 When the day comes that they go to war is the day everything about the white-gold concordat will be thrown out the window.
@solidsnake4214
@solidsnake4214 7 ай бұрын
I never really thought it made sense to side with the Empire. I mean they do try to kill you without giving you a fair trial in the beginning. Realistically speaking it makes sense for the Dragonborn to want revenge on the Empire and join the Stormcloaks to get this revenge.
@Alfred5555
@Alfred5555 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's the obvious direction the plot was going.
@DrBojangles007
@DrBojangles007 5 ай бұрын
@@Alfred5555I always play as an Altmer as I love mage build and then side with the storm cloaks to help weaken the Empire. To ensure a prolonged war between the two, I help the Stormcloaks to take Whiterun and then stop helping in any way in the war. This means both sides have around half the territories, you can buy Hjerim in Windhelm and be friendly with both sides (playing them off against whenever you can)
@shmee123ful
@shmee123ful 9 жыл бұрын
Stand for neather your the dragon born kick both thier asses and make your own army and take over Tamrel
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 9 жыл бұрын
+alaster boneman That would be a cool option ^^
@shmee123ful
@shmee123ful 9 жыл бұрын
and whould make sence I mean you can boss odahviing around and you tanked the vampier lord harkin and the dragon born Mirack and made you champion of Hermaeus Mora an it anit bad to be backed by a Daedric Prince
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 9 жыл бұрын
alaster boneman Ye sometimes it's strange, I mean both Tullius and Ulfric consider you a subordinate but you are the freaking dragon born, your theory would make much more sense
@shmee123ful
@shmee123ful 9 жыл бұрын
well being a subordinate in of it self isn't to strange as Talos was a subordinate for some other dude before that dude got himself murdered and Talo became the big boss
@vulpesinculta3238
@vulpesinculta3238 8 жыл бұрын
+alaster boneman There's a mod called Become High King of Skyrim. Pretty good.
@Armadillo909
@Armadillo909 8 жыл бұрын
Hail Ulfric, king in the north!
@ElwynTheElf
@ElwynTheElf 8 жыл бұрын
+DragonSlayer673 Skyrim belongs to the nords!
@Armadillo909
@Armadillo909 8 жыл бұрын
ElwynTheElf To hear that from a Elf is weird xD
@ElwynTheElf
@ElwynTheElf 8 жыл бұрын
Ike Wasweissich yea... Still a stormcloak.
@frankg2790
@frankg2790 8 жыл бұрын
+Ike Wasweissich THE KING IN THE NORTH! THE KING IN THE NORTH!
@jamesmurphy173
@jamesmurphy173 8 жыл бұрын
+Ike Wasweissich FOR THE EMPIRE!!
@heatherthewingedkirby6800
@heatherthewingedkirby6800 4 жыл бұрын
I'm with the imperials, the first guild I chose were the storm cloaks, I didn't like attacking whiterun as the people there did nothing wrong so when I made a new character, I chose the imperials as an imperial because of finding extra money but when I saw that I had to defend whiterun, I gladly accepted the mission, if I had to choose between the imperials and the stormcloaks, I would always choose the imperials, I would only have one stormcloak character just to see every mission but In my opinion, I stand by the ones who protect innocents, not kill them as they've done nothing wrong
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
In the beginning of the game Tullius helped the nords at helgen to escape and prioritized them. So much for not caring about nords huh.
@robertpatter5509
@robertpatter5509 2 жыл бұрын
If only the Imperials and Stormcloaks joined forces to expell the Thalmor. You could even call the mission "Banished from the Empire"
@deutchecheems7678
@deutchecheems7678 Ай бұрын
This is called empire...
@jerome96114
@jerome96114 9 жыл бұрын
Another reason: While they are believing they'd fight for freedom, the Storm-cloaks actually DESTROY Skyrim/ the humans. If you read the information in the Thalmor embassy it is strongly indicated, that Ulric did not escape, but that the Thalmor intentionally set him free, so that he will create the rebellion and have the humans fight amongst themselves, so that the elves can more easily control them. (!)
@SentientTrafficConeMan
@SentientTrafficConeMan 9 жыл бұрын
***** The Elves want the war to be a stalemate, so they can swoop in and kick everyone's ass. If the Stormcloaks win, though, Skyrim is once again a unified fighting force, ready to kick Elven ass.
@HopetrashSpeed
@HopetrashSpeed 9 жыл бұрын
John Smith they are rebels not soldier they have less chance than the empire. the empire want to destroy the talmor but ulfric is ruining every effort.
@SentientTrafficConeMan
@SentientTrafficConeMan 9 жыл бұрын
Not Important Hate to break it to you, but the difinition of a soldier is 'a person who serves in an army. '. The Stormcloaks are an army. If the Empire truly wanted to destroy the Thalmor, they would've done it already. Hell, I've already given an in-depth debate on the matter.
@HopetrashSpeed
@HopetrashSpeed 9 жыл бұрын
John Smith maybe they are soldier but they aren't train as soldier they are just " i want my Talos back why don't we fight the talmor and the empire and cause everyone to die. Ulfric is the true king he believe in us, he don't use us you mean imperial :'((("
@SentientTrafficConeMan
@SentientTrafficConeMan 9 жыл бұрын
Not Important You really don't comprehend the politics of Skyrim, do you? Look, you can find me all over this comment section debating with *intellectual* people, unlike yourself. Go read one of those.
@Supergrunt8
@Supergrunt8 9 жыл бұрын
I really don't see whats the appeal of the stromcloaks. "B-but mighty Talos was banned!" The empire never wanted to ban the worship of Talos Any sane general would've opted for a compromise after the bloody battle that was the Red Ring. Both the Empire had pretty much exhausted it's resources, and moral was probably at a low. "b-but muh nordic way of life!" From what I saw in skyrim ever after hundreds of years of Imperial alligence the nords have pretty much lived the way they've always had. Probably with improved living standards. If you look at the big picture the Empire is the only way to go -Founded by man turned god who single handedly united all of Tamriel -The Legion, the most deciplined fighting force in all of Tamriel -The only real chance of defeating the Thalmor -A centralized goverment and a military that has fought off daedric incursions. Lets see you stormcloaks fight off another akaviri invasion Veni, vidi, vici
@7thchamp658
@7thchamp658 9 жыл бұрын
Although i agree with you on supporting the Empire, i must correct you. Talos didn't "single-handedly" conquer Tamriel. He did that with two other demigods and a enormous automaton. The most disciplinated fighters are the Redguard.
@Supergrunt8
@Supergrunt8 9 жыл бұрын
Champion of Cyrodiil From what I understand all the Tribunal did was provide Tiber Septim with the Numidium, they never actually helped him in his conquest(s). Not in a direct manner anyways. And I use the term single handedly very loosly. From a practical stand point If it weren't for his leardership and tactical prowess the Empire would've never united the continent.
@7thchamp658
@7thchamp658 9 жыл бұрын
LibertyPrime I was talking about Wulfharth and Zurin, the two Shezarrines who gave their heart to power Numidium. Other than that you're on point.
@caydenblackwell2176
@caydenblackwell2176 9 жыл бұрын
Urn, Talos was a Nord and he ruled over the Empire before the time of its corruption, when the Thalmor took over. And of course that's the reason the Empire doesn't accept Talos as a God is because the Thalmor believe in their own crap.
@7thchamp658
@7thchamp658 9 жыл бұрын
cayden blackwell Fuck no. Why would you even believe Talos was a Nord? Do you even lore? Plus what corruption? The one they make you believe to weaken the Empire?
@ROMULUS8384
@ROMULUS8384 2 жыл бұрын
Ulfric is not racist against the dark elf's he just doesn't have the time to deal with the problem he is fighting a war for not just for Skyrim but for All of humanity after all.
@bunnitomoe3866
@bunnitomoe3866 2 жыл бұрын
He is infact racist will all races except the nord, there one guy in Windhelm that said something like "If a nord village is being attack, Ulfric will send his soldiers immedietly, but when it's a dark elfs or the khajits, nothing. No investigation, no soldiers, nothing".
@ROMULUS8384
@ROMULUS8384 2 жыл бұрын
@@bunnitomoe3866 he is a Nord king 👑 hes people comes first
@ROMULUS8384
@ROMULUS8384 2 жыл бұрын
@@bunnitomoe3866 and the kahjiit are not trust Worthy since they come from the Dominion
@bunnitomoe3866
@bunnitomoe3866 2 жыл бұрын
@@ROMULUS8384 Even if he's the nord king, he should treat everyone equally as he treat the nords. Second, don't lump all the khajits mate, not all of them are un trustworthy and they've been trick into supporting the Thalmor since they claim that they're the one who brought back the moons
@ROMULUS8384
@ROMULUS8384 2 жыл бұрын
@@bunnitomoe3866 you don't give help to foreigners over your own people it is your duty to protect your people and the sovereignty of your nation and State. And the kahjiit are almost always untrustworthy even that one that went to the college was a thief despite being a educated mage next you don't let in your enemies allies into your Homeland especially in a war especially for the Nords who's War with the Dominion has never ended and are now facing extinction by the High Elves who they themselves confess to the conspiracy
@jannegrey593
@jannegrey593 5 жыл бұрын
It is sort of weird. In previous games, I was always against empire - or rather with factions who have problems with empire, or even better - problems with both sides. In Morrowind for example I was a battle mage, so I was in both Wizards and Warriors Guilds. I did some jobs for the Imperial intelligence, but frankly I was always mostly proud of being associated with Twin-Lamps.
@nathanntfbananarama8577
@nathanntfbananarama8577 8 жыл бұрын
Ulfric isn't racist, that is untrue yet almost everyone believes it. There is a high elf who makes a good living in the city who doesn't get bullied by the nords, simply because she is carrying her own weight, same thing with a dark elf working on a farm. Ulfric has very limited resources with the war going on, and he spared plenty of room for the elves to live, and the elves won't help them in the war or outside of it. He's right to be angry about that, but he doesn't hate elves as a whole.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 8 жыл бұрын
+NathanNTF Bananarama I understand you point and thank you for the comment yet I must disagree because I clearly remember Ulfric saying all sorts of things to me as an elf while I was playing for him untill I got sick of it and left xD
@vulpesinculta3238
@vulpesinculta3238 8 жыл бұрын
+NathanNTF Bananarama In the New Gnisis Cornerclub, you can even find an Imperial banner. Goes to show the allegiance of the Dark Elves in Windhelm.
@kodaleciojo7873
@kodaleciojo7873 8 жыл бұрын
+Vulpes Inculta The Dark Elves are unhappy with Ulfric's rule and the first thing we see in Windhelm was a worthless drunkard bullying a dark elf who was explaining they want to stay out of the war because it isn't their battle. Think of it, the Dark Elves lead long lives, those dark elves in Windhelm could very well witness the destruction of Morrowind, completely sick and tired of fighting or running.
@kodaleciojo7873
@kodaleciojo7873 8 жыл бұрын
+Metatron Personally I think Ulfric was in a wrong profession. Dude's got Oscar Award Winning acting skills. He should be in the acting profession and be a 10 times Oscar Award winner or whatever it is called in their world instead of a politician-general. It beats losing to the Aldmeri dominion, being tortured by them during the great world. It beats nearly getting beheaded by Tullius until Alduin came to wreck everything and nearly kill everyone. It beats sweating over 50% of the time where the player happens to be an Imperial supporter and ends up getting killed in the end of his struggles or become unofficial High King of Skyrim and have to deal with Thalmors who are simply too good for him to handle in scenario of Player helping him.
@lordpeaches
@lordpeaches 8 жыл бұрын
+Metatron Ulfric doesn't have any race-specific dialogue, though.
@lelouche25
@lelouche25 7 жыл бұрын
Okay so here's my problem with, the Stormcloacks Just because the Redguard were able to hold back the Thalmore what makes the Stormcloacks can? Skyrim doesn't have the resources or the manpower to fight off the Aldimeri Dominion the Thalmore win when the Empire infights.
@Random-wo6xq
@Random-wo6xq 7 жыл бұрын
The thalmor crushed the empire. What hope would Skyrim have on it's own
@lelouche25
@lelouche25 7 жыл бұрын
Random 1 indeed that's the point I put forward Skyrim couldn't hold back a dominion invasion
@Random-wo6xq
@Random-wo6xq 7 жыл бұрын
Yuki Terumi indeed
@LeviathanTamer31
@LeviathanTamer31 7 жыл бұрын
Seriously. The Redguard can hold off the Thalmor because their land is the 2nd deadliest place on Tamriel. One race of elves (The Chimer) literally called the place Deathland. Even when the Empire was forced to hand over land to the Thalmor, the Redguard were able to easily boot them right back off. The only reason there's any fighting right now is because they tricked the Khajiit into helping them.
@lelouche25
@lelouche25 7 жыл бұрын
Kylee Smalley i know like i said just because the Redguard could kick out the Thalmor what makes skyrim think they can too?
@davidb3155
@davidb3155 4 жыл бұрын
My high elf: *slow claps for the stormcloaks* "skyrim belongs to the nords" *dasterdly grins*
@conraderson9121
@conraderson9121 4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why the stormcloaks are idiots
@Cx10110100
@Cx10110100 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense, considering the plot
@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026
@amphibeingmcshpongletron5026 2 жыл бұрын
@@conraderson9121 The Stormcloaks do what the Thalmor want without realizing it. The Empire does what the Thalmor want because they were told to. The Empire thinks they're playing the long game, but I have a feeling they'll just continue to submit because it's the "smart" thing to do. They laid down their arms willingly. The Stormcloaks, "idiotic" or not, will continue to resist when the Empire won't. I believe the Thalmor will get what they want regardless. In my role play for this game, I'd rather be part of the fight than the compromise, as I believe both will likely lead to Skyrim's destruction. Perhaps the big brother Thalmor will allow us to live out our tightly controlled lives in peace under their subjugation and command. How nice of them. At least nobody had to die! Gods praise them! (except for Talos, of course)
@crowbar4929
@crowbar4929 6 жыл бұрын
Snowmonkeys: Skyrim belongs to the Nords !!! Imperial: K what about the snow elves mate? Breton: and what about The Reach? You didn't care when you took those lands from the previous inhabitants. You are all subjects of the imperium.
@jackknighttheoriginal1956
@jackknighttheoriginal1956 5 жыл бұрын
Crow Bar the snow elves massecred the nords, starting that war. As for the reach, I'll be honest, the forsworn have a better claim on it .
@emmanuelglazer1247
@emmanuelglazer1247 5 жыл бұрын
Snow elves were monsters and in the dlc i gladly kill the last two. As for the forsworn, they are a feral people and i kill every last one i see.
@chrismath149
@chrismath149 5 жыл бұрын
@@jackknighttheoriginal1956 Did you play the mage quest? You find some very intersting clues about the night of tears during that line. It might be more complicated than that. And the fact remains: The nords, and by extention all men except the red guard, hail from Atmora and are therefore immigrants themselves. Saying skyrim is nordic land is simply incorrect. If anything it belongs to those who live there. If you grew up in skyrim but where born in Cyrodiil yet you have no memories of the imperial heart land would you not consider skyrim your home, regardless of heritage?
@jackknighttheoriginal1956
@jackknighttheoriginal1956 5 жыл бұрын
@@chrismath149 Skyrim is the ancestral homeland of the nords. They may not be native, but after thousands of years of nord habitation, where else would they go? Saying that Skyrim is not nordic is like saying that England is not English, just because french and german tribes fought back the celts and settled in their land.
@chrismath149
@chrismath149 5 жыл бұрын
@@jackknighttheoriginal1956 That's not what ancestral means. The ancestors of the Nords hail from Atmora, therefore Atmore is their ancestral homeland even though the Nord's homeland is indeed Skyrim. The same could be said about the Snow elves were they alive today. As for the reason for the night of tears: It can not clearly be said why the war broke out but there is a good video of fudgemuppet who explains the reasoning of the thalmor or the elves in general. Watch it if you want to: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nJOCecSWzdjNf4U.html Anyway: it would be awfully hypocritical of the Nords to turn away the Dunmer since they have come from Atmore fleeing climatic hardship themselves, regardless of that great war business.
@Ikcatcher
@Ikcatcher 6 жыл бұрын
How I role play my character is that even though he’s a Nord, he sides with the Imperial because he doesn’t hate Argonian or Elves but hates how the Thalmor have weakened the Empire
@rawr5760
@rawr5760 4 жыл бұрын
Yes the nords are the empire! but its the damn thalmor :(
@seand.g423
@seand.g423 2 жыл бұрын
"Doesn't hate Argonians or elves" And what about Reachfolk, then?
@colorpg152
@colorpg152 2 жыл бұрын
@@seand.g423 except the dark elves have taken asylum in his city and have remained there for centuries and there is a dark elf spy, also the argonians also hate the dark elves and the other elves on the city agree the dark elves are being arrogant, ulfric is already giving them asylum he doesn't have any obligation to do more and its perfectly fine to prioritize his own people over a bunch over foreigners who should have left a long time ago
@miguelcondadoolivar5149
@miguelcondadoolivar5149 Жыл бұрын
Ulfric is protecting the Argonians and Dark Elves from each other. There's great historical enmity between the two races.
@theminingbra
@theminingbra 7 жыл бұрын
of course the british guy goes with the impericals damn red coats
@Obnoxiousteadrinker
@Obnoxiousteadrinker 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Harvey hey im English and im a stormcloak and us angles were rebels way before we were damn imperials
@snakelord0630
@snakelord0630 6 жыл бұрын
Ha ha lol
@Obnoxiousteadrinker
@Obnoxiousteadrinker 6 жыл бұрын
Steve Harvey your all just but hurt we bunt down the White house and won that war
@SaetherOfficial
@SaetherOfficial 6 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna guess that you have since found out that he is Italian... lol
@randommandoade1465
@randommandoade1465 6 жыл бұрын
He's Italian. He's from Sicily whitch is in ITALY not THE UNITED KINGDOM AND NORTHERN IRELAND!
@charleswolf1066
@charleswolf1066 6 жыл бұрын
I play as an Imperial. Ive attacked Thalmor agents everytime I see them an have even attacked their Embassy. Once Ulfric is dead an a new Jarl takes over, he promises to give the Dunmer an Argonians better living conditions. To me joining the Stromcloaks is a betrayal to Jarl Balgruuf who have given advice an his friendship.
@yobro4669
@yobro4669 6 жыл бұрын
I like the Stormcloaks. They have many problems, but I see passed them. I like Imperials, but I hate the Thalmor.
@AsymmetricalCrimes
@AsymmetricalCrimes 4 жыл бұрын
The Stormcloaks are funded by the Thalmor....
@wolves600
@wolves600 4 жыл бұрын
well lore-wise the Empire managed to keep thalmor justiciars out of Skyrim until Ulfrci started his rebellion
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
@@AsymmetricalCrimes exactly they literally give them secretly some supplies to steer up trouble
@AsymmetricalCrimes
@AsymmetricalCrimes 3 жыл бұрын
@Nick Pruiksma Because Imperial soldiers attacking the Thalmor would be an act of war. The Empire would rather wait, finish off the rebellion and then focus on getting revenge against the Dominion
@car6697
@car6697 3 жыл бұрын
@@GhostickTaperKing empire or AD, there's NO difference to me honestly since the empire LITERALLY takes orders and does the bidding for the Thalmor like kidnapping and taking Talos worshippers in Skyrim's OWN homeland to be most likely interrogated, tortured, and then killed. and you're NOT gonna change my mind no matter how hard any of you pro-empire guys may or may not try to with your lies. at LEAST the Stormcloaks will NEVER bow down and KISS the Thalmor's ass like the empire DOES
@yellowmaskdude553
@yellowmaskdude553 7 жыл бұрын
Fucking hell, look at the dislikes on this video. I don't understand how people can genuinely get mad about video game politics. I don't even want to know how they react to real life politics. It's insane. Also, I support the stormcloaks. *get triggered imperials*
@iliketrains263
@iliketrains263 7 жыл бұрын
Yellow Mask Dude are you implying a dislike is considered anger? some people just didn't like his vpice, the quality of video, the subject, pr the fact it's 20 mins of droning woth no real info. it's like a post 911 George Bush speech. you can dislike a video without being angry or a hater you know
@yellowmaskdude553
@yellowmaskdude553 7 жыл бұрын
Good point.
@potheadkennewick
@potheadkennewick 7 жыл бұрын
Yellow Mask Dude probably because every video about this is never about stormcloaks but always imperials
@viysnjor4811
@viysnjor4811 7 жыл бұрын
I don't support metatron's choices in this video either but i still liked his video because at the end of the day, these are simply his opinions (we all have one) and he actually took the time to make an argument to defend his choice, so I respect that.
@Kudosute
@Kudosute 7 жыл бұрын
Most stories aren't imagined from scratch, but rewritten. And with this one, quite well. Just like The Lord of the Rings was inspired by Catholicism and the Elder Scrolls was inspired by Norse Legend. You saying that is the same thing as calling dudes who argue about football insane. It's a lifestyle. It may not be my lifestyle, it may not be yours. But it's a lifestyle.
@metatronyt
@metatronyt 9 жыл бұрын
Paul Liu, thank you very much for you interesting and very respectful comment, you sound like a very educated and polite person :) You do have a very good point there when you say that the empire has betrayed the Septim dinasty and so it would make sence to fight them for that. My point is though that there as two possible approaches to this betrayal, 1) fight it from the outside, crushing the empire. 2) fight it from the inside, trying to correct the empire back in it's tracks. Also the concept of betrayal is debatable too in my humble opinion because they accepted the white gold treaty only because they basically lost the war, so they were forced into it, not accepting could have ment annihilation, so my point of view is that they accepted it waiting for a strong leader, in which case the Dragonborn joining them would make sense :D The great thing about this game is that both approaces "make sense"
@dogsteeves1
@dogsteeves1 9 жыл бұрын
***** Really armour Storm Cloks are rebels and the Imperial are empire duh and look empire has been around longer so they will have better armour rebels are a small faction so they get what they can to were at armour. Look at empire and the rebels in starwars empire has these big ships and full body armour and rebels have light armour smaller ships and a no war factories.
@The_Foxymew
@The_Foxymew 9 жыл бұрын
William Steeves Yet they're still completely useless, save for when the plot demands they be badass XP Talking Star wars here, of course.
@dogsteeves1
@dogsteeves1 9 жыл бұрын
I know but still the empire or republic will always be stronger then a small rebellion
@The_Foxymew
@The_Foxymew 9 жыл бұрын
Well, something to note is that the empire just lost a pretty big war against the elves, so their forces are all ready lessened. And yeah, the empire in Star wars was retardedly weak to me. Was annoying.
@arsenicflask
@arsenicflask 9 жыл бұрын
Metatron If I look at all the facts I feel bad about joining the stormcloaks mostly because of racism and Balgruuf
@scottpickering5576
@scottpickering5576 6 жыл бұрын
At least the stormcloak armor doesn't look like a dress.
@Dell-ol6hb
@Dell-ol6hb 5 жыл бұрын
justin pickering lol probably something a nord Stormcloak would say.
@blstcx8224
@blstcx8224 5 жыл бұрын
lmao they fr wear skirts
@Inquisitor_Vex
@Inquisitor_Vex 4 жыл бұрын
Dell12 16 Cis-Nord.
@thatchannel195
@thatchannel195 4 жыл бұрын
Romans wore tunics
@laisphinto6372
@laisphinto6372 3 ай бұрын
You weaklings wear barbarian pants in the snow
@theworld1759
@theworld1759 5 жыл бұрын
It's kind of a "assumption" that all imperials are evil, Hadvar saves you from murdering them all
@car6697
@car6697 3 жыл бұрын
sure I guess, but that ALSO applies to the Stormcloaks too then, it's an assumption that all Stormcloaks are "racist". especially when Ralof tells you: "you DON'T HAVE TO be a *nord* to fight for Skyrim and her people*
@billkilsum2015
@billkilsum2015 6 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who listened carefully to all the dialogue between Ulfric and Galmar and thought that Ulfric seemed to be a bit more thoughtful and caring about the war and the people involved, but seemed manipulated by Galmar to act quickly and aggressively against his own thoughts? Galmar just always seems to be more in his face yelling about what should happen and Ulfric seems a lot more reserved and almost bored of it sometimes. "If they're not with us, they're against us!" "They all know that..." You can almost hear a sigh in it like, "Galmar plx shut up."
@jacksonlee4943
@jacksonlee4943 6 жыл бұрын
When the first humans settled Tamriel, they came from the northern ice continent of atmora. These people settled Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and highrock. Cyrodiil is commonly where empires are forged, and they are often the most powerful. The notes call imperials milk drinkers and cowards who have no right to Skyrim. But, they both came from atmora, and are brethren, and Both have a right to Skyrim. If Skyrim leaves the empire, high rock will be next, then the thalmor will easily conquer Tamriel. Just like when you infaltrate the thalmor embassy, they say they want to keep the war going to weaken both sides, sort of a divide and conquer trick. Skyrim can’t stand against against the thalmor alone, for they fought for the empire in the Great War, yet the empire still lost. So this shows that not even the mighty nords can’t withstand an elven onslaught. So, the white gold concordant is better then being slaughter by the altmer. Besides, the empire obviously hates the thalmor, and wants to through them off their back. So be patient, and wait for cyrodiil’s signal to break free from them. And you will stand together against the thalmor. Most likely, will there provinces will want to fight back alongside the empire, and the empire will again have a great chance to win a war. ALL HAIL THE EMPIRE!!!
@marcandrei8061
@marcandrei8061 5 жыл бұрын
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!
@nicholaspeterman9111
@nicholaspeterman9111 5 жыл бұрын
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE SNOW ELVES!
@andredulac4456
@andredulac4456 3 жыл бұрын
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE DWEMERS !
@jamesashley9102
@jamesashley9102 3 жыл бұрын
SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE MUDCRABS
@klaus_vans
@klaus_vans 2 жыл бұрын
I am playing again this epic game in June 2022 and I am really enjoying it as much as I did when it came out ! I also found this analysis of the two factions very interesting and accurate. Who knows if we will ever see an Elder Scrolls VI someday !
@pancakefatboy6692
@pancakefatboy6692 6 жыл бұрын
5:02 Well, if you fought against the elves in a massive war, saw your comrades die at your feet at the hands of the elves, and been tortured repeatedly, over and over and over again by the elves, and learn that the empire your fighting for had just basically lost the damn war, AND the very god you worship had been outlawed by ELVES, you’d have a burning hatred for the elves as well.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 6 жыл бұрын
So why does he not mistreat the High Elves, who are responsible for all that, but instead the Dunmer, some of which even backed the Empire?
@OnyxXThePunch
@OnyxXThePunch 4 жыл бұрын
@@dutchpatriot17 blind hatred
@JourneymanJacob
@JourneymanJacob 4 жыл бұрын
The kinds of people who can’t see the Stormcloak side of things are on the other hand also the kinds of people that thought British Imperialism of Africa was bad. Ironic hypocrisy. I’m drawing a parallel right now between- those who hate Stormcloaks and Liberal Progressivists. We don’t need to try and connect dots to realize that Skyrim politics was inspired by the paradigm we’re living in. And so given the very obvious correlation, I think it’s fair of us to speak upon that very presumption
@tariqt.2252
@tariqt.2252 4 жыл бұрын
General Falco in game no dark elves back the stormcloaks and that’s what sorta stems the distrust of them if they would just back the stormcloacks in the war I’m sure most nords would slowly begin to trust them
@penzotoko6619
@penzotoko6619 4 жыл бұрын
Well there's also the case that Talos was a genocidal maniac in the eyes of the Altmer...so yeah banning the worship of a guy who tried to wipe out your people does seem reasonable.
@PeterCTheRock
@PeterCTheRock 8 жыл бұрын
I ride for Ulfric! I ride for Stormcloaks! I ride for Nords! I RIDE FOR FREEDOM!!! Talos smite you imperial milk drinkers!
@PeterCTheRock
@PeterCTheRock 8 жыл бұрын
***** Hail and well met!
@ThatCoolguy5858
@ThatCoolguy5858 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter C Damn Stormcloak rebels..
@PeterCTheRock
@PeterCTheRock 8 жыл бұрын
***** just bring it on! when I finish you, Oblivion will be peace of cake for ya!
@brandongoins3973
@brandongoins3973 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter C All hail Ulfric Stormcloak ! The True High King!
@brandongoins3973
@brandongoins3973 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter C All hail Ulfric Stormcloak ! The True High King!
@TheWalkingPotato1
@TheWalkingPotato1 6 жыл бұрын
only a great and powerful empire can defeat the thalmor. ave tullius, ave cyrodill, ave skyrim. the final legion
@Kernwadi
@Kernwadi Жыл бұрын
“Water is like liquid elevator music.” -Bilbo Baggins
@raymondraptorclaw2901
@raymondraptorclaw2901 7 жыл бұрын
My fellow imperial fighters, I say we not only fight the rebels, but also take up arms against the Thalmor! They caused the trouble from the start!
@returningfire2037
@returningfire2037 6 жыл бұрын
So they can surrender again? Thats how this shit started. This imperials begged for mercy.
@RallenUzumaki1
@RallenUzumaki1 6 жыл бұрын
Three words of rebuttle. Fus Roh Dah!!!!
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 6 жыл бұрын
jason phillips And Ulfric didn't surrender in the beginning of the game...
@jakemarsh8967
@jakemarsh8967 6 жыл бұрын
Of course brother
@jakemarsh8967
@jakemarsh8967 6 жыл бұрын
jason phillips no matter the disadvantages there are advantages, if the Empire were to revolt there would be many other rebellions, mainly dunmer, and we're smarter then that we would get the Sea elves to help cus they would be all over that
@KyonKnight
@KyonKnight 8 жыл бұрын
You have very valid points. As a khajiit I found the Stormcliaks self centered where as the Imperial Empire is unity.
@joelong9352
@joelong9352 8 жыл бұрын
The Khajit are not allowed in any city not even Solitude
@KyonKnight
@KyonKnight 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Long Neither Stormcloaks nor Imperial cities allow khajiit caravans from entering their cities. But, its not a rule that khajiits cant enter a city. Keep in mind there are very few khajiits in skyrim that arent working with the trade caravan. There is a khajiit in Riften, I dont recall the name. Also if you have a wedding there will be a khajiit or two in the temple during the ceremony.
@miasmata9043
@miasmata9043 8 жыл бұрын
Whoever's present during your ceremony in the temple of mara are simply friends you've made. Remember NPC suddenly saying shit like 'You've been a good friend to me'? Those are the ones. They're also the ones that leave you heritage when they die. And it's also really dumb. Idolaf battleborn is going to call you a friend after you answer 'Greymanes or battleborn?' in his favor.
@hagamapama
@hagamapama 7 жыл бұрын
+Joe Long the Khajit have earned their segregation the hard way, by demonstrating over and over again that their priorities don't mesh with the current civilization. The fact that the Khajit are usually found in league with theives, receiving stolen goods, or stealing themselves -- this is not a racism issue, this is a "the Khajit as a culture have a problem recognizing ordinary property rules" issue. On the other hand -- there is no reason not to let Argonians into your city. They're also known for a tendency towards freebootery, but they're usually much better organized and more civilized than the Khajit, and they usually don't so much fail to understand ordinary civilized rules, rather they simply don't agree with them. Plenty of Argonians, either individually or in groups, interact just fine with other civilized races, much better so than the Khajit. An interesting example here is Riften, where there are plenty of Argonians and, if memory serves, exactly zero of them in the Thieves' Guild. So the segregation of the Khajit outside the wall of every city in Skyrim, has far more basis in pragmatism than Ulfric's revulsion against the Argonians ever did.
@acendantoverlord5737
@acendantoverlord5737 7 жыл бұрын
How can you say their is unity in the Empire when The High elves broke off and became their biggest threat while both Morrowind and Hammerfell broke off from the Empire and currently theirs a civil war ummmmm YAH unity whooooo!!!
@agsilverradio2225
@agsilverradio2225 4 жыл бұрын
I would base my opinion on 2 questions. 1: How benevolent or tyranical is the empire, given the context of the situation. 2: Do the Stormcloaks want to destroy the empire, or declare independance from it. If the stormclocks want to destroy the empire, the stormcloacks would be in the wrong. If they just want indipendance, and they are okay with the empire still exsisting, just not on their land, then the Stormclocks are probly right. 3: Chousing based on who gives you cooler stuff is a corrupt reason to chouse a side.
@SCComega
@SCComega 4 жыл бұрын
Ultimately, it's important to look at the bigger picture. The Empire is clearly stated as not liking the current state of affairs, and doesn't want to outlaw talos worship. It's telling that the law was not enforced whatsoever before the stormcloak rebellion, an even now the empire only arrest those guilty of such, despite the Thalmor demanding executions. Beyond which, the Empire is clearly stated as attempting to rebuild it's forces, and they expect a second war with the Dominion soon, which is why they want an end to the rebellion. Documents which can be found in game also show that the Dominion are directly funding the Stormcloaks in order to perpetuate the civil war and weaken the empire, as they too intend to have a second war, but want to grind down the empire before they do so. Even from a character perspective, within the known context, you're looking at the difference between a known variable, and Ulfric who is known for a series of betrayals, and even minor amounts of digging, especially with his relatives who favor his empire, you quickly come to realize that he is purely in it for himself. Furthermore, if the civil war situation isn't resolved in the next couple of years, from the start in skyrim, the empire is amassing reserve troops south of the border for General Tulius to make use of if need be - quite simply, the Stormcloaks /can't/ win a war in the long term if the Empire is forced to be serious, their troops in Skyrim are by majority local volunteers. So by all means, both ethically and practically, it's better to side with the empire the moment you start considering things beyond the immediate situation and stop taking characters at face value, and actually seek out the truth about the matter.
@Lolpy.
@Lolpy. 4 жыл бұрын
Based on your view: The Empire is pretty straight down the middle in benevolence or tyranny. The Stormcloaks only want independence. So you seem like a Stormcloak.
@northernknight7787
@northernknight7787 4 жыл бұрын
Stormcloak Officer Armor is arguably cooler looking than the imperial armor. What’s more badass than wearing a bear pelt as a head dress, it just has a Nordic berserker vibe
@yuagiin
@yuagiin 7 жыл бұрын
Imperial Dog! If you look into the lore a bit deeper, the stormcloaks aren't actually as racist as you think. *!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* For example, take a look at the dark elves. They're so quick to scream oppression, but seem to forget they are refugees. In Morrowind, the most offensive word you can possibly call someone is an "N'wah" which roughly translates to "foolish outlander". If a nord were to go to Morrowind, he or she would face a barrage of insults and almost never gain anyone's trust, if a dunmer born outside of Morrowind were to arrive on the shores of Vvardenfell, they would face even worse discrimination for not being native. When red mountain erupted, they were forced to flee, and the cities of Windhelm, Riften and Winterhold were the closest and most welcoming. In Winterhold, they rooted themselves in the mage's college. In Riften, they got odd jobs in the fishing industry but don't own any houses, most of them live in the bunk house. In Windhelm, not only were they given free housing, but an entire quarter to themselves to run shops, and were given important jobs within high ranking nord families. They sit there and complain about living in squalor, but in actuality, their housing arrangements are some of the best in Skyrim. Now, let's take a step back and look at the leaders. General Tullius is a military brute who dislikes tradition, and thinks the nord's way of life is foolish. He thinks that anyone who does not partake in a culture similar to Cyrodiil is barbaric, elves included. He doesn't care about the god Talos, he doesn't have any concern for the country or it's people, and states in game that he can't wait to go home. Ulfric on the other hand is extremely passionate about his homeland, and his most inspirational speech was talking to Galmar in an empty castle when the player walks in. He does not care what race the player is, and personally I've never heard him say something truly offensive other than "Thalmor bitch". Back to race: Another race "oppressed" by Ulfric's regime are the Saxhleel, or "Argonians" who work on the docks and are supposedly forbidden from entering the city. If we go back in time a few hundred years, long ago there was an alliance between the Dark Elves, Argonians and Nords, known as the ebonheart pact. Nords have a history of battling with elves, so are naturally mistrustful (See "Night Of Tears") but were able to set aside their differences to forge a strong alliance. The alliance broke when the Argonians found out the Dark Elves were still taking slaves of their people, and ended with a bloody genocide that consumed the capital city of Morrowind and much of it's southern countryside. If the Dark Elves and Argonians could so easily turn on eachother after being allies, what's to say they wouldn't do the same to their other allies, the Nords? I think it is wise to be wary. It's also wise to keep the Argonians on the docks separated from the Dunmer within the city, so no skirmishes could break out. It's a crude, but effective way to keep order, segregation. If the player or a follower or spouse is Argonian however, no one will ever question their presence within the city walls, and no one will tp your house and so on xD I can only think of one npc who openly spews trash about other races when not prompted by a friend, and that's Rolff Stone-Fist. He's a drunk that walks around talking crap and should be paid no attention, one bad apple. Plenty of people like that in solitude, trust me. With armor, I can see where you're coming from because the stormcloak armor is literally just the Windhelm guard's armor. The idea behind that is that the empire is an organised military that has dedicated smiths and stuff, whereas the stormcloaks are just men, women, farmers that have grabbed an axe and started fighting. Speaking of women... Have you ever noticed that there are only 4 female imperial soldiers in the game? Legate Rikke, The Imperial Captain at the start of the game, One of the archers at the start of the game, and that one from the pirate quest who for the life of me I can't remember. With the stormcloaks, they might not have racial equality but they certainly have gender equality which is a nice touch. I don't think the imperials have racial equality either, as they all seem to be nordic/imperial males. With Whiterun, I too really liked Balgruuf, and was saddened when he chose the empire, but then in another playthrough where I decided to do the civil war before the main quest, I noticed that you can't get around him trying to crawl into your emotions, as he'll tell you to go away until you kill the dragon and become thane. I never wanted to be thane of Whiterun but he always forces it on you so you kinda have to care. But I think the stormcloak rule is better for Whiterun mainly because of the civilians, the Battle-Born family are empire supporters, and the Gray-Mane family back the stormcloaks. The Gray-Manes man the skyforge, and their son "Thorald" was stolen away by the thalmor and the Battle-Born family are behind this huge cover up, corrupt af. There's also the state with the city guard, as one man "Sinmir" often states that security in whiterun is substandard, but when stormcloaks are in control he becomes head of the guards. Also, 'lil Heimskr out there becomes homeless, I think that's pretty funny xD Yes.. the septims were dragonborn. But the god "Talos" is just another name for the first emperor of the dynasty, Tiber Septim. By choosing the empire, you've basically cut out it's heart. Talos founded the empire, so by abolishing his worship it's not the same empire that you fought for in Oblivion. That's not even getting started on what would happen in great war number 2 and why stormcloaks would be slightly less screwed on that, but I think this is enough of an essay for people to chew on. ^-^
@emmanuelglazer1247
@emmanuelglazer1247 5 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@Dopplin67
@Dopplin67 5 жыл бұрын
The amount errors in this is overwhelming
@ilikedogs3916
@ilikedogs3916 5 жыл бұрын
Soo much words *Dies after one word*
@charlottewalnut3118
@charlottewalnut3118 5 жыл бұрын
@@Dopplin67 thar be only truth here
@OverwatchTheProtogen
@OverwatchTheProtogen 5 жыл бұрын
@@charlottewalnut3118 gott damn it schrodinger you're everywhere
@delphidelion
@delphidelion 6 жыл бұрын
In every game to this point we have been fighting hard to keep the Empire together. From saving the emperor himself from the first game to Martin's ascension, I dare to ask whay any loyalist is doing in bed with the stormcloaks.
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
I know right my characters from the previous games will not accept this.
@Thurnmourer
@Thurnmourer 3 жыл бұрын
Because this isn't that Empire? That Empire died following Chancellor Ocato's assassination.
@car6697
@car6697 3 жыл бұрын
yeah well Skyrim is my first ever Elder Scrolls game i've ever played so unlike you pro-empire guys, i don't really have any "loyalty" or much love for the empire. but they DO remind me a LOT of the real life roman empire (which i'm pretty sure Bethesda intentionally designed them that way) which i happen to absolutely HATE in real life so the Elder Scroll's universe Cyrodiilic empire ALREADY has some disdain from me. that AND the FACT the empire ALMOST LITERALLY BEHEADS us in the very beginning of the game, made them (the imperial legion) along with their Nazi Elf masters, my ARCH ENEMIES😡
@car6697
@car6697 2 жыл бұрын
@@seanviklund6749 the Stormcloaks want to win the war to get back at the Aldmeri Dominion too? but they also want their province to be completely independent and free from imperial rule, which is the difference between them and the Empire, the Stormcloaks want complete freedom and independence for their home of Skyrim while the Empire wants the opposite of that. what's wrong with wanting to have FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE in your province/nation???🤨 and how do you know that an independent Skyrim led by the Stormcloaks would be the only ones fighting the A.D? besides if they utilize their stealth and guerilla tactics, harsh terrain and weather (like the snowy blizzards from the mountains, the jagged rocky hills in the reach, and the thick, lush forests in Falkreath an the Rift), and even have the DRAGONBORN on their side, then their chances of victory against the Thalmor SKYROCKETS and is pretty much a guarantee. you know the Thalmor want to destroy ALL men races in Tamriel eventually, right? not just the Nords of Skyrim, but Hammerfell's Redguards, High Rock's Bretons, and Cyrodiil's Imperials. so to answer your question, BOTH *only if* Skyrim and Hammerfell can remain independent before, during, and after the next Great War against the Thalmor (that is, as long as most of the men races survive it hopefully) if they want to be, because the provinces of Tamriel should *not have to be* OWNED by Cyrodiil's Empire in order to temporarily join forces with them. provinces/nations can join forces or "unite" temporarily WITHOUT one of those certain large provinces/nations owning the rest of them, just like in real life during the World Wars: when America, France, UK, and Russia temporarily joined forces as the Allies to stop the Axis: Germany, Italy (the real life Nazis). ALL the Allied nations/countries were INDEPENDENT, NONE were owned or "united" (if you wanna sugarcoat it that way), under the USA or UK for example. but they were COMPLETELY independent and they STAYED that way before and after WW2 was over, rightfully so. and can you *prove* the Stormcloaks are "just as racist"? because that honestly to me, sounds like the same rehashed imperial propaganda i've heard many pro-Empire people use. if you're referring to the scene of those 2 Nord guys harassing the Dunmer woman the very first time you walk into Windhelm, those are Windhelm CIVILIANS, NOT Stormcloak SOLDIERS, so they don't represent the Stormcloaks. but i'll humor you, even if they were somewhat racist, you need to remember that this takes place in a MEDIEVAL fantasy era, so most of the races in TES universe (just like the real life medieval era) aren't as enlightened or as tolerant as we are today. The Dunmer were massive racists to Argonians and Khajiits in Morrowind, some Imperials were racists in Oblivion (there's a post about it on Reddit if you don't believe me) and even to a small degree here in Skyrim because while yeah the Stormcloak cities don't let the Khajiit CARAVANS in their cities, NEITHER do the Empire sided cities either (like Whiterun, Markarth, and Solitude especially) so the Imperials would at least be EQUALLY guilty of PARTIAL racism to the Khajiit caravan people too. and some of the Orcs in Skyrim are racist to you if you're not an Orc or at least not bloodkin to them at their strongholds. just about every race in the Elder Scrolls universe is racist at least to some degree, even the Imperials. of course i DON'T like racism, i hate it, always have and always will, but to me honestly, the Stormcloaks are just more *proud* and *prideful* about their race, customs, and beliefs, like die hard patriots. and of course about claiming Skyrim as their home. when they say that phrase, "Skyrim belongs to the Nords", that's exactly what they mean by it, that Skyrim is their HOME and no one is gonna take it, or any of their laws or beliefs away from them while they're still breathing. they never said "Skyrim is ONLY for the Nords" or something clearly terribly racist like that, if they did, then even i as a pro-Stormcloak would have major trouble supporting them then. just like Morrowind is home to the Dunmer, Cyrodiil is home to the Imperials, Black Marsh is home to the Argonians, Elsweyr is home to the Khajiit, and so on. but anyways, if the Stormcloaks are really so "racist" according to you, then why would they even LET a Redguard woman, Breton court wizard, and a Dunmer priest live, work, and help their people in Dawnstar? a Dunmer and Altmer in Winterhold (on top of Winterhold's VERY diverse mage college), take in just about HALF of their citizens in Windhelm being Argonian and Dunmer REFUGEES (plus a few Altmers and a couple of Imperials there too), an Orc and an Imperial miner (or maybe he's a Breton, i'm sorry lol they kinda look alike) living in Shor's Stone, a Dunmer and Argonian miner living among mostly Nords in Darkwater Crossing, and of course quite a few Argonians, Dunmer, and even a couple of Wood Elves serving as the COURT WIZARD and the other as the Jarl's STEWARD in Riften! heck, and if you help the Stormcloaks take Morthal back, an ARGONIAN becomes HOUSECARL to the new Stormcloak Jarl! yeah the Stormcloaks are "so racist" that they give these mighty fine jobs working right by the JARL'S side as Housecarl, Steward, and Court Wizard to OTHER races, eh?
@car6697
@car6697 2 жыл бұрын
@@seanviklund6749 and i have a question for you, not having to do with any of Tamriel's provinces being at war with each other, but just in general, philosophically speaking, with how they live and rule: would you rather support freedom and independence or imperialism and oppression? 🤔
@Ash-cq6bh
@Ash-cq6bh 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone like to forget how the thalmor fund the stormcloaks
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
Because it's convenient to ignore it and they can't think of any reason to defend that statement so the logical answer would be is to not answer basically.
@Tannercl101
@Tannercl101 3 жыл бұрын
Can you prove they are funded by the Thalmor?
@iamkeithheart
@iamkeithheart 5 жыл бұрын
Ulfric is apparently a Thalmor plant used as a puppet to stir up trouble in Skyrim. The game makes it, in the beginning, very damning for the Imperials case when you are about to be executed, but as the world opens up and you learn more nuances about the dilemma of the war, you start to understand that the Empire may just be the best hope there is for Skyrim and its people.
@noneyabizz5306
@noneyabizz5306 5 жыл бұрын
That is your conclusion but that is in no way how everyone feels. I certainly never saw it that way. I didn't care for either side but in the end, if I had to choose a side, I chose the Stormcloaks. And judging by most of the comments here, so did the majority of people who played Skyrim. Skyrim doesn't need the Empire. If Hammerfell was able to go on without the Empire and fight the Dominion alone to a standstill, when they're much closer to the Dominion, have the same weather conditions and without a Dragonborn, then rest assured, so can a Skyrim united under the Stormcloaks led by Ulfric and a Dragonborn. And Ulfric isn't a Thalmor plant. He hates the Thalmor as much as anyone.
@khanch.6807
@khanch.6807 10 ай бұрын
​@@noneyabizz5306 Feelings don't aligns with Facts. Thalmore wanted Ulfric to escape. There are Letters in the Thalmore embassy explaining this. Thalmore were even on the execution to take Ulfric and "accidentally" loose him in order to extend the conflict. Skyrim alone is unable to fight with Thalmore. Just watch a Thalmore glass armor hit squad fight with Stormcloak patrol and see which one wins. Even Forsworn does more damage than the Stormcloaks with their magic and bone blades.
@GoldenRedder
@GoldenRedder 8 ай бұрын
The thalmor do not want Ulfric to win. They consider that a worst case scenario.
@Supreme0757
@Supreme0757 6 ай бұрын
@@noneyabizz5306There are in game letters confirming and yes Ulfric was a plant and yes you can be a plant without even realizing you’re one at all.
@hugogh3507
@hugogh3507 7 жыл бұрын
hahah the empire is cucked by the thalmor, real men join the stormcloak
@Marconel100
@Marconel100 7 жыл бұрын
Finally a brother Nord.
@yungneutron164
@yungneutron164 7 жыл бұрын
fuck yeah my dude
@TerribilisScriptor
@TerribilisScriptor 7 жыл бұрын
yes go right ahead and "free" skyrim of the badbad empire that would be the only thing keeping the thalmor you hate so much out of skyrim. what makes you think ragtag-nazi-rebels stand a chance against the thalmor who badly BEAT the empire in a war? if you really want to save skyrim you serve the empire.
@Dopedupster
@Dopedupster 7 жыл бұрын
These ragtag-nazi-rebels have the Dragonborn on their side. I think they're pretty good covered up for a war with pitty elves when they have a demigod on their side.
@TerribilisScriptor
@TerribilisScriptor 7 жыл бұрын
Aku leskinen even a dragonborn couldn't take on the entire thalmor military. we are talking HORDES OF MAGES and warriors + siegeequipent attacking multiple locations at once. and even the dragonborn can only be defending 1 place at a time.
@elegiacfey7016
@elegiacfey7016 6 жыл бұрын
"Political Analysis" *talls about nothing but personal preferences Lol k
@user-bb5qy6yr5u
@user-bb5qy6yr5u 4 жыл бұрын
yeah right
@Valencetheshireman927
@Valencetheshireman927 4 жыл бұрын
There was political analysis. I’m not sure how you missed it 🤷‍♂️.
@jamesmccloud7535
@jamesmccloud7535 4 жыл бұрын
Ur just salty he chose the empire 🤷‍♂️
@sancis641
@sancis641 5 жыл бұрын
5:48 - you end up spending quite a bit of time in the city of your faction of your chosen faction
@wolftal1178
@wolftal1178 2 жыл бұрын
It’s true the Empire was built on Dragon born’s, but remember the first Dragon born Tiber septum was a Nord from Skyrim, the honest truth is you’re between a rock and a hard place in this war. Both have very good points and both have very great cons. If you join the Empire then you are joining in effect a Spanish Inquisition, not necessarily the empires fault, but they have allowed the elves to start persecuting and killing anyone found worshipping Talos, Who is more or less the God of the Empire, in many ways Skyrim is fighting for the real empire and the imperials have betrayed it. However if you join the storm cloaks you are also highly racist, but in their defence considering what happened with the great war and how the elves are persecuting and take on the role of inquisitors you can’t exactly blame them for being a bit racist towards them. But the truth is I don’t like Ulfric, he’s a greedy bastard who is just hungry for power (although he didn’t cheat in the Kings duel). But I do nevertheless support the storm cloak cause, because nobody has the right to force The way you believe. In reality I would prefer a combination of the factions, the storm cloak cause, but with the Imperial leadership. Unfortunately this war is exactly what the aldmeri Dominion wanted, however I believe if they thought the Empire was weak and attacked, I think Skyrim would actually come to its aid, after all they don’t need an excuse to fight the elves, The sad truth is the game has only showed part of the story and the next game is probably going to be hundreds of years later when it’s revealed we’ve missed out The real great climax.
@patrick6011
@patrick6011 6 жыл бұрын
Make peace and destroy dominion
@khaos5085
@khaos5085 5 жыл бұрын
Ulfric all the way peace and love.
@ichko3
@ichko3 7 жыл бұрын
Ok....The problems is that we actually see the religious oppression of the empire while the Stormcloack racism is words only. If Ulfric was really racist, he would have kicked the elves out and yet half of Windhelm is basically elves, elves and elves and nowhere do we see elves been beaten or executed or something. There is even a bloody Altmer that works as a prominent shop owner in the non-elf half of city where she should be discriminated, yada, yada. Contrast that with the amount of times we have seen Talos worshipers been dragged left, right and center by the Thalmor and empire, and let's not even talk about Northwatch Keep. And as far as Jarls are concerned...yeah, Balgruuf is nice, but he gets replaced by Graymane, which is a win. Also, let's not forget the lovely imperial Jarls of Falkreath and Markarth. I am just saying. Oh, and also, if the empire wins, Mavis becomes Jarl of Riften...
@fafaaf61
@fafaaf61 6 жыл бұрын
Here's the problem with your argument. Yes indeed racism is only in words, but the imperials are even less so. There seems to be little to no racism against Talos worshipers in the empire. Heck, there's a Talos worshiper smack in the middle of Whiterun and no one seems to care. Plus Jarl Elisif clearly worships Talos in secret so its clear that the imperials aren't racist to Talos worshipers at all. It's the Thalmor whom are the racists, a party that both sides explicitly hate. The problem is however, a stormcloak victory would be beneficial to the Thalmor. The war would waste military power for both Skyrim and the Empire and the independence of Skyrim would divide the empire meaning neither Skyrim nor the Empire would likely have the military might to counter the Thalmor. Plus, while there are indeed elves in Windhelm and no one is explicitly racist, racial tensions are clearly in the air, The Argonians are already having a tough time even entering the city and its clear that the elves have been relegated to the ghettos district of the city. And lets not forget Winterhold and the bad tensions there. As for Jarls, Maven is a terrible person, but Thongvor, while a great guy, still has a terrible brother who could easily influence a decision.And lets not forget that Sorli and Dengeir don't even really seem to support the Stormcloaks will all their hearts. As for the imperials, Balgruuf is not alone. Let's not forget: Elisif, Idgrod, Brina, Kraldar and especially Brunwulf.
@AtlisDe
@AtlisDe 6 жыл бұрын
fafaaf61 yes, this. Plus the argonians are working slave labor wages. Talking the guy to pay them fairly he explicitly says "they should feel grateful they get anything at all"
@assassin3003
@assassin3003 6 жыл бұрын
fafaaf61 you guys are forgetting one thing is that the dragon born will always win always so I side of the stomcloak and clear out entirety of the empire by my self.
@assassin3003
@assassin3003 6 жыл бұрын
Tali De Souza in my land my people come first.
@fafaaf61
@fafaaf61 6 жыл бұрын
Yes but the Thalmor are the only true enemies and you don't fight them in Skyrim. Victory for the Stormcloaks against the Empire does not mean victory against the Thalmor. Really, the only way I see to possibly get Talos worship back is to side with the Empire.
@rurushu8094
@rurushu8094 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a Roman fanboy so I prefer the empire. I love running around with my heavy lorica segmentata and scutum ,slaying bandits and stormcloak barbarians.
@kanirodney8092
@kanirodney8092 3 жыл бұрын
Because of u i joined the imperials i was really blinded plus the jarl of whiterun still believed in talos still but his part was that he was using the empire for there goods meaning supplies that they had to offer so thank u because i didn't know what faction to choose once again thank u my friend 😊👏
@NarlepoaxIII
@NarlepoaxIII 7 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, the decision to execute all the prisoners in Helgen was made by General Tulius. The Imperial Captain was following orders just as much as Hadvar was.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 7 жыл бұрын
You should note, even if you tell Tullius you were in Helgen to be beheaded, he STILL lets you join the Legion. So obviously it wasn't even his concern, it was the ONE captain who refused to listen to a lower-ranked soldier saying the protagonist wasn't on the list.
@NarlepoaxIII
@NarlepoaxIII 7 жыл бұрын
HumanOfPrey That doesn't follow.
@HumanOfPrey
@HumanOfPrey 7 жыл бұрын
***** Which part of "even if you tell Tullius you were in Helgen to be beheaded, he STILL lets you join the Legion" you didn't understand?
@NarlepoaxIII
@NarlepoaxIII 7 жыл бұрын
HumanOfPrey I got that part, what I didn't get was the "Therefore, it obviously wasn't the _Military Governor of Skyrim_ that ordered your execution, but rather his subordinate who undermined him and took charge of the incredibly sensitive situation and he was totally fine with that."
@bencar0214
@bencar0214 7 жыл бұрын
General Tullius says to you that your execution was a terrible misunderstanding. To be honest, he was more concerned about Ulfric since he said "Let's get this over with" It was the captain who decided your fate.
@00snelly
@00snelly 6 жыл бұрын
I think that the Empire and The Stormcloaks should rise up together against the Thalmor. Maybe in TES6?
@mariagraziaronci8451
@mariagraziaronci8451 4 жыл бұрын
it's said that in TES6 the redguards will have to prevent and repel the...comeback...of the thalmor to hammerfell...
@darkner2390
@darkner2390 4 жыл бұрын
@@mariagraziaronci8451 That's a good thing, I'd be more than happy to send more Thalmor bastards to the soul cairn.
@TheProjectVoid
@TheProjectVoid 4 жыл бұрын
Id be happy if es6 takes place right after or during es5 not another era long difference.
@wolves600
@wolves600 4 жыл бұрын
seeing as the stormcloaks were framed for the assassination of the Emperor I don't know how well that would go
@winstein3689
@winstein3689 4 жыл бұрын
@@darkner2390 lmao you do that too! I always should trap the Patrol.
@canekrendon4751
@canekrendon4751 4 жыл бұрын
My first Skyrim run I was a Stormcloak, then for the next ones I didn't even consider it for a second. The White Gold Concordat was signed to end the war and protect the people, because the Talmor were that superior, military speaking, so it was the smart thing to do. Stormcloaks are basically Nazis, I will never be a part of that faction (and I've had 5 complete runs of Skyrim with different races).
@ebenitez2011
@ebenitez2011 5 жыл бұрын
Long live the empire!
@rhondacooper9640
@rhondacooper9640 4 жыл бұрын
Long live the empire
@rhondacooper9640
@rhondacooper9640 4 жыл бұрын
:)
@umaruchan6900
@umaruchan6900 3 жыл бұрын
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE ( even tho I killed the emperor but we don’t talk about that)
@commonsenseless9894
@commonsenseless9894 7 жыл бұрын
Why is it that no one is bringing up the FACT that Ulfrik is a Thalmor sleeper agent. They wanted him to start the rebellion to weeken the Empire for the second great war!
@JohnSmith-dj8vr
@JohnSmith-dj8vr 6 жыл бұрын
Philp J Fry Yeah, but he does not like Almer, so he was looking for a brick to get Skyrim on his hands.
@randommandoade1465
@randommandoade1465 6 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Yes one person with some sanity!
@falcon8752
@falcon8752 6 жыл бұрын
Because it's ultimately a pointless argument. At the time of the events in Skyrim, the Thalmor is in a position where they could easily overwhelm the Empire. They don't need the Empire to be weakened, because it's already weak. At most, the Stormcloak rebellion keeps the Empire busy so that they can't grow stronger, at least not as fast as they could. Besides, let's admit Ulfric is a Thalmor agent. He would be beheaded the second he pledges allegiance to the dominion. Here's the fact : Ulfric was _meant_ to be used as a _pawn_ by the Thalmor. Sure, they would say it all went according to their plans, but if the Stormcloaks win, they have not two but at least three enemies to worry about : A weakened Empire, the Stormcloaks, and the Redguards in Hammerfell who will seize the opportunity to fight a Thalmor who is also weakened since they've lost their grasp on Skyrim through the Empire. No doubt other factions will join them to send elves back to their Islands. Which means this : Empire or Stormcloaks, the outcome is the same.
@noyes7999
@noyes7999 6 жыл бұрын
Philp J Fry Yes your right but would you let someone rule your country and say all are ban for believing in god and Jesus would you agree no and the thalmor banned talos who made the empire so there it is and in the second Great War they got The DragonBorn Fuss Ro Dah!!!! The empire and the Thalmor!
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 6 жыл бұрын
Blauze You're forgetting something very important that is happening in Skyrim. DRAGONS! Even the Thalmor are scared shitless by the Dragons.
@corbinbishop7097
@corbinbishop7097 9 жыл бұрын
In the beginning you would never have been captured by the empire if it were not for the Stormcloaks. Another thing is that your crossing the border illegally which most countries (if not all) have laws against that and thus you should be punished. The Thalmor want to conquer Skyrim and the empire and intentionally caused the rebellion by outlawing Talos worship. That is why you should join the empire because if the empire is not at full strength the elves can take over. The elves gain power from the chaos because they are not truly aligned with a side. So when most of Skyrim is dead they strike. I actually kind of admire the Thalmor because they completely outsmart the stupid human races like nords. I wish I could join the Thalmor and be part of their plan to take skyrim.
@kodaleciojo7873
@kodaleciojo7873 9 жыл бұрын
***** I thought during the Markarth incident was after the War and Ulfric was already a Thalmor asset that was why Ulfric wanted to cause trouble loud enough at Markarth to let the Thalmor notice?
@kodaleciojo7873
@kodaleciojo7873 8 жыл бұрын
+Johnny Saves To me it makes no difference, Stormcloaks are a bigger fool than the Empire's leaders but it doesn't make a difference in the long run. They are both fools, the only guy I see as decent and pity is the Empire himself who is being sabotaged by the ignorance of lesser people and a fool who thinks he is so clever: Ulfric Stormcloak. Truly Titus Mede II is pitiful, so lacking, yet so understanding of his own powerless self and surrounded by even more incompetent fools and even more incompetent useless enemies: The Stormcloaks. The true strength of the Thalmor is that they understood a far wider range of the strengths and weaknesses of themselves and their enemy. I am referring to Empire AND Stormcloaks. In fact they understand the Empire and Stormcloaks even more than the Empire and Stormcloaks understand themselves. But, they have no right to claim superiority. From what I heard the High Elves lives a very long life. If you lived for several hundred years and has not become wise as they are then they are the most useless and pathetic beings in the entire universe who should just shoot themselves in the head and hope they will end up wiser in the next life. Therefore overall, the Empire is wrong in some areas, the Stormcloaks aren't that clean themselves, the Empire is that tad bit smarter and the stormcloaks are that tad bit more screwed up. I can see why Tullius can nearly kill Ulfric and his Stormcloak lieutenants without intervention. Overall, what you said about Empire being wrong is valid, but Tullius is a far superior General and thus your statement about him is just your emotions ruling your head and making an unwise statement. If Tullius sucks, then the Stormcloaks led by Ulfric who lost to him would sucks even more for letting their leader end up falling into his hands.
@corbinbishop7097
@corbinbishop7097 8 жыл бұрын
No need to get so touchy D:< XD
@kodaleciojo7873
@kodaleciojo7873 8 жыл бұрын
+Johnny Saves Not the Empire, I just pity the Emperor Titus Mede II. As for 2. Sorry I did not complete my sentence. No intervention as in no intervention from Dragonborn or Alduin's attack, just Tullius' legion vs Stormcloaks in Skyrim which is Stormcloak's home turf. Also with limited resources and Tullius nearly beheaded Ulfric. Tullius was also on the field with his men at first when you are captured together with the stormcloaks. 3A and B: Tullius does not act like a cranky child to me his attitude is closer to 'whatever' and wants to "be done with it." as soon as possible. find this civil war stupid to the extreme when things are so tensed in the borders. He sees 3 steps ahead but I suspect the Thalmor is 4 or more steps ahead. The situation is tensed is probably because they are trying to keep the Empire from committing too much resources into the Skyrim. Only fault is the fucking Captain sending me to the chopping board. Fuck you Imperials and Fuck you Tullius. Other than that, nothing much to say.
@kodaleciojo7873
@kodaleciojo7873 8 жыл бұрын
+Johnny Saves Pity the Emperor because people like yourself attribute all the failures of the Empire to him. For a massive organization like this one which stretches to nearly the entire continent, the fault is often not the one right at the top. The Emperor inherited an Empire that was militarily at its weakest, infiltrated by enemies in the shadows and an aggressive foreign power looking for trouble and surrounded by incompetent fools. Cranky child is more likely to throw a tantrum for the sake of doing it or because things didn't go his way. Not a whatever I don't really wanna know, I just want to finish my job and go home. You and your nord customs.. Tullius is closer to don't care about all the minor details, he just wants to finish his job and return home because there is more pressing matters in the front lines of his homeland. By that definition, Tullius is more like not interested. The Empire wants would do it, but problem is Ulfric won't do it because that is not what his Thalmor overlords wants and thus they have beaten Ulfric once which resulted in Ulfric's imprisonment under the Thalmor, they can sure as hell do it again. Also Ulfric clearly doesn't know who is working for the Thalmor to watch him and the Thalmor even though stated they should be as stingy as possible with their aid to both sides, that means they have eyes inside Stormcloak and they have more or less freedom to roam in the Empire controlled Skyrim to give Imperials help if the Stormcloak is winning too much. Ambush or direct confrontation, it means nothing. It is a common tactic used in the field during battles or wars. Tullius beats Ulfric without the Dragonborn and Alduin's help with only Alduin's intervention Ulfric managed to escape death. That is the fact that places Tullius a little higher than Ulfric.
@Darvit_Nu
@Darvit_Nu 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent points :) I have played through the lore - examining theories for both factions and although I did initially side with the stormcloaks (yeah that attempted beheading got under my skin a bit), I have since seen & heard more lore and have to agree with you. I play on the imperial side. Ulfric may claim he is "for the stormcloaks" but he repeatedly demonstrates that the people are nothing more than sacrificial pawns to him, and he couldn't care less about anyone who isn't a nord by birth. ((rolls eyes)) at least the empire rewards well for hard work and dedication ^.^
@TroutBoneless
@TroutBoneless 6 жыл бұрын
I always choose my side as late as possible and let the events my character has witnessed influence which side he chooses
@teddybeddy123
@teddybeddy123 7 жыл бұрын
We know that the races of men can recover more quickly than the Aldmeri Dominion, even though the Empire lost territory and sustained a lot of damage. The Empire just needs some time to recover- to bring Hammerfell back into the Empire; convince Morrowind to return with its previous semi-autonomy with the incentive of taking revenge on the Argonians. Remember, the world of Elder Scrolls is not one of democracy and alliances- it is one of emperors, kings and conquest. Bethesda have actually perfectly set the stage for a future hero of prophecy- perhaps a reborn Tiber Septim, to rebuild the Empire and face the Aldmeri Dominion in the inevitable Second Great War.
@masterking7401
@masterking7401 7 жыл бұрын
teddybeddy123 Empire might have the numbers,, but elves have more knowledge and experience. Because they live longer so they have more time to master their spells, swords, archery and smithing.
@chunchunmaru123
@chunchunmaru123 7 жыл бұрын
why can't I have a fuck both factions option. and just take skyrim for myself with a army of dragon's.
@lucasistrom
@lucasistrom 7 жыл бұрын
I hate it when people say this. You aren't cool.
@italianwaffle5592
@italianwaffle5592 7 жыл бұрын
Lucas Strom well somewhere in there is a good point, you as the dovahkiin have as much right to the throne of skyrim then ulfric or torygg.
@secutorprimus
@secutorprimus 6 жыл бұрын
Khajiit wishes for a choice of peace, and to turn on the Aldmeri Dominion. This one sees that the elves are the true enemy of Imperial, Nord, and Khajiit alike.
@joer.6548
@joer.6548 6 жыл бұрын
I think that WAS a cut option, but it could very well be false
@tntfreddan3138
@tntfreddan3138 3 жыл бұрын
By coming from a cold and harsh country which is so biased against its own population and tends to favor foreigners and give them money rather than take care of the actual tax payers who are making sure this country of 10.5 million people can still live, I stand with the Stormcloak cause. Tamriel may be a fictional world but I can relate to being basically run over by your own government to an extent that it's actually forbidden to fly your own damn flag, because if you do you'll be called a racist and white supremacist. A foreigner can evade any kind of punishment by just claiming he's a minor, even if he's sporting a full grown beard. Our liquor stores, which are run by the state, has a higher level of security than our border control. They check for ID and if you're not over 20 years old, you will be denied, while at the border a 20 year old man can claim he's 16 and they'll go with that, which means he can commit crime, after crime and not have to pay for any of them.
@paulraines9635
@paulraines9635 2 жыл бұрын
I still wanna know which faction he'd side with in New Vegas.
@GoodNight0wl
@GoodNight0wl 7 жыл бұрын
It's strange that people generalize the storm cloaks as racist when the Imperials have the Thalmor on their side who are also racist.
@inggocid2980
@inggocid2980 7 жыл бұрын
hunter peck the imperials dont like the thalmor anyway. general tulius even said after killing ulfric: now we can deal with the elves, or something lime that
@tysonthekhajiit3015
@tysonthekhajiit3015 6 жыл бұрын
the imperials don't like them they where at war with them, lost and have to follow so rules 1 being the ban on talose I don't think the empire has a issue with it but to keep the elves off there backs they have to enforce the ban the stormclokes hinder the imperials from being able to further there military and take down the elves that's why the elves have hand in on both sides to keep Skyrim split making it easier for a take over
@Bopperann
@Bopperann 7 жыл бұрын
So, why'd you join the Imperials? *"THE FASHION, FOOL!"*
@mobslayer211
@mobslayer211 6 жыл бұрын
WindyEBowerstone damn faithless imperials
@user-es8os5bt8h
@user-es8os5bt8h 6 жыл бұрын
The stormcloaks look way cooler though...
@patriot9487
@patriot9487 6 жыл бұрын
No, they don't! The name is cooler, the armor is just blue guard armor.
@Ninehuskies
@Ninehuskies 5 жыл бұрын
How do they look cooler? It's literally a retextured guard armor. Alteast the imperials have unique models.
@deathdog1392
@deathdog1392 Жыл бұрын
Also, I wouldn't even believe Todd Howard if he said it's not cannon that the Dragonborne is a stormcloak. You start as a default Nord, you meet Ulfric in the intro while arrested with him, your expected to go with the nord to escape, Ulfric is the only other user of the Voice, Ulfric is the only other one to train with the Greybeards, 1st town whiterun has a shrine of Talos. They clearly expected you to pick the Stormcloaks. Idk how anyone even Bethesda can imagine a scenario where the Empire actually wins, when the Dragonborne is on the other side.
@dutchpatriot17
@dutchpatriot17 Жыл бұрын
Let's turn that around: -We are sent to Helgen because we're believed to be a Stormcloak, none of the Stormcloaks point out that we are not. -Ralof sends us head-first into Helgen's Imperial garrison while staying behind to cower in a tower, while Hadvar risks his career and neck by trying to bring us to safety. -The only Hold that the LDB becomes Thane of in canon is Whiterun - the very Hold that Ulfric intends to invade. -The LDB gets guidance from the Greybeards, the same Greybeards that Ulfric betrayed both in abandoning them and his blapshemous use of the Voice. -Ulfric is the reason why the Talos ban is getting enforced by paving the way for the Justiciars during the Markarth Incident.
@obiependragon9660
@obiependragon9660 4 жыл бұрын
Also, i would love if you would cover nonfictional history, you explain things really clearly. ( I'm new so apologies if you've made videos of this nature)
@catinabox2878
@catinabox2878 8 жыл бұрын
I really don't like Ulfric Stormcloak. Not only is he racist, but he should never have killed the High King. Torygg was a young man inexperianced in combat. Ulfric knew this and challenged Torygg knowing he would defeat him easily. Torygg knew that fighting Ulfric was a death sentance. But he had no choice, as refusing to fight would look cowardly and he would lose the respect and confidence of his subjects. Again, Ulfric knew this. Ulfric claimed it was the Nord way to challenge him, but in reality it was murder disguised as tradition. Ulfric does not trust anyone that isn't a nord. He is also a hypocrite. If you join the Stormcloaks, he sends his axe to Balgruff. (To bury the hatchet?). But if you join the Empire, Balgruff sends his axe to Ulfric who outright refuses it. (Yes, iI know that the same can be said about Balgruff refusing the axe). It was also crap of Ulfric to 'shout' at Torygg. I used to support the Stormcloaks, but the more I play Skyrim the more I realised that I was supporting the wrong side. The Thalmor banned Talos worship, but by joining the Empire, you are showing your loyalty to Talos even more, as Talos founded the Empire. In effect, Talos's army. The Thalmore don't even see that which makes it all the more ironic.
@catinabox2878
@catinabox2878 8 жыл бұрын
But I have noticed that some Imperial guards on patrol can be dicks. "Move along citizen, your interfering......". - When all I was doing was just walking past. The Thalmor are the same.
@kambor1578
@kambor1578 8 жыл бұрын
+Roger Haywood Ulfric didn't name the stormcloak army. The empire started calling the rebels "Stormcloaks" as a joke, and the rebel soldiers embraced the name to honor Ulfric
@catinabox2878
@catinabox2878 8 жыл бұрын
Jan-Magnus Solheim I stand corrected.
@nathangordon4891
@nathangordon4891 8 жыл бұрын
How was it murder? It was the point. Toryyg would've refused and proved that he was weak to his subjects
@catinabox2878
@catinabox2878 8 жыл бұрын
Nathan Gordon Because he was incapable of defending himself against Ulfric. Ulfric knew this and even admitted that he was sending a message to the other jarls by doing it.
@fenrirvik372
@fenrirvik372 7 жыл бұрын
The stormcloaks is the right side for viking spirits, people from scandinavia
@kevinsullivan3448
@kevinsullivan3448 6 жыл бұрын
As a man of Danish decent I disagree.
@arghunqon3774
@arghunqon3774 6 жыл бұрын
Fenrirvik Vikings invaded raided other countries. They are the opposite of the Stormcloacks
@briansheehan3430
@briansheehan3430 6 жыл бұрын
Whereas the Empire is perfect for Romans.
@arghunqon3774
@arghunqon3774 6 жыл бұрын
Brian Sheehan The only difference between Vikings and Romans is that Vikings were more barbaric and stupid.
@briansheehan3430
@briansheehan3430 6 жыл бұрын
Yes... Meaning that the Romans were more intelligent, disciplined, and organized as a single cohesive unit.
@heavenandhello6629
@heavenandhello6629 Жыл бұрын
I’d say both are equal. The 3 things I love about the imperials are Jarl Balgruuf, Hadvar, and the Whiterun guards, and the 2 things I love about the stormcloaks are not being friends with the thalmor and being blue instead of red.
@PictureThisNewMedia
@PictureThisNewMedia 3 жыл бұрын
Im playing as a Wood Elf female thats supposed to be modeled after Kagome from "InuYasha" the Anime/Manga. I wonder if she would've joined Empire or StormCloaks? Any suggestions? Asked in several other skyrim videos sorry if you see this more than once.
@maxim3783
@maxim3783 3 жыл бұрын
bro has the same issue as me
@PictureThisNewMedia
@PictureThisNewMedia 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxim3783 lol i mostly got neutral or Empire as a response
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