In twilight wings it show ed she hada him when she Was a resercher. And shows than even tho she now is evil and beatiful she Still loyal to the end [That pokemon is her ace, highest level pokemon, her Gmax and the one that shows her true inner nature ]

I love trubbish so pretty relatable

Damn I wish I was her so bad (just the trubbish part though)

Ah

Notice how she caresses its pokeball before she throws it to G-Max. Really sweet detail.

Also similar case for Cyrus , he is shown to be a sinister person with evil plans , but still his Golbat eventually evolves into a Crobat . This shows that even villains love their pokemon . (Except for Ghetsis , his Hydreigon's Frustration hits with max power)

​@@gourishpyne304 It's also theorized that Ghetsis forced his Hydreigon to evolve early (it's level 54 in BW when it's not supposed to evolve from Zweilous until it reaches 10 more levels).

It's also theorized that Silver's rare Pokemon were stolen from people, like his sneasel is most likely taken from the guy that gives you Shuckle

​@HimekoIzayoi, so did Lance force his dtagonites to evolve since they're level 50?

​@HimekoIzayoi Ghetsis's team in BW also completely sweeps N's team, his Hydreigon can completely one shot all of N's pokemon, he was fully prepared to betray N from the beginning and it was foreshadowed in his team. It's terrifying.

I think he doesn't even catch them. Probably just asked them

@@HazeEmry he uses pokeballs

@@emperortohoCould just be because they didn’t bother animating them, but I remember seeing one comic that lampshaded this

​@@garg4531 Didn't bother animating what?

@@thedashey What I meant was creating a unique animation of him sending out the Pokémon instead of just relying on the default animation of sending out a pokeball

In BW, Ghetsis' Hydreigon has moves that can counter almost all of N's team and it has a super effective Dragon Pulse for the legendaries. Not to mention the rest of his team also counter N's team, implying he was always waiting to betray him. In BW2, Ghetsis has gotten even crazier so he replaces his Hydreigon's effective special attacks with less effective physical attacks, it has a Life Orb, and it has a FULL POWER Frustration, meaning between the events of BW and their sequels, Ghetsis abused his Hydreigon even more.

Honestly it makes sense, whatever sense of duty Ghetsis had to keep his illusion to N of being someone to trust but after the events of B/W he has no need for that anymore… makes sense the abuse kept happening and got worse

Not just frustration. Maxed out frustration

wtf??? he really wants to murder Ogrepon, damn

​@@birb1786 It makes it really easy to take him down if you've specced Ogerpon correctly. Bulky Water Ogerpon can take hits well, combined with Horn Leech, Leftovers or a Sitrus Berry. You don't even have to use Follow Me, just Protect every other turn while your other Pokèmon sweeps his ass.

​@@Mr-Trox now imma sound dumb but when I play pokemon I just bonk them until they are no longer a problem.

@@KiomonDuck Unless you're steamrolling with level 100 legendaries or something, Kieran does require at least some counterplay.

@@Mr-Trox my main team is a lvl 100 meowscarada and tinkaton and I just swap out the rest. When I fought him I used a lvl 80 ogerpon. Also I only use attacking moves. If it doesn't take health then it's a waste of a move.

same

Relatable

Real.

Who isn’t bruh

​@@drillbitz2816 her children... oh wait... pokemon shipping exsists...

Cramorant= lowest point in life

Cramorant- For when you're at rock bottom and only rock bottom.

I will never forgive Kieran for boxing Furret

@@Articfoxgamez If it makes you feel better, in the League Club at Blueberry Academy, when inviting Arven and Kieran they would talk about which Pokemon would be their best bud, and Kieran mentioned Poliwrath, Politoed Yanmega AND Furret then saying he can't choose a favorite!

I thought i commented

apparently it is also possible for them to be shiny

​@@wolfekupo5651Only in the Titan Battles. They revert to normal when you battle him.

And I've heard it's also got a flavor theme going. The ones I know for sure are that Garganacl represents salty and Scovillain is spicy. Though Toedscruel could be savory, Mabosstiff bitter, and Greedent sweet. Don't remember what Cloyster represented.

@@VixstraLarge I don't think it's flavor specific as much as they're all either references to food or actually have food on them according to their dex entries: -Shellder/Cloyster is a reference to clams and other shellfish -Scovillain refers to spices/pepper -Sqwovet/Greedant always have berries stored in their cheeks/tail -Toadcool's Dex entry in Scarlet says that it's flaps are edible and delicious -Garganacl's salt can be used as both flavoring and a healing agent

@@ashec.6824and Mabosstiff is the hungry puppy they’re fixing the meal for ❤

And similar to Hop, Jessie also ditches her first pokemon for Seviper

​@@mrroboshadow i wouldn't say she "ditches" it, she released it for the sake of all the wild Ekans that needed it

​@@mrroboshadow Jessie released it so it and James's Weezing could save a group of Koffing and Ekans

Lol I was wondering when the flood of "um actually"s was gonna come Why bother reading the correction someone posted earlier when ya can just post the same thing

@@mrroboshadow Because the second person believes their own answer fleshes things out more or simply did not read the other reply. BTW Jessie released it so it and James's Weezing could save a group of Koffing and Ekans

That's actually kind of clever, and it ties in with his themes of being a huge fan of cutting edge tech and machinery

Steel runs in the family too, given Peony was a steel gym leader and still sticks to that type

Which also plays into how short sighted Rose was.

@@KnightofChaosDeck to be fair he wouldn’t have known what moves Eternatus would have

@@samboi123 well, that’s true, but one should never face a Legendary without SOME amount of variety in general

You just melted my brain

Didn't expect you to put in that pasta in the end there

@@HazeEmry lmao I put that as an autocorrect for “why” in my typing as a bit and forgot to fix if

@@fredducine7109 that makes more sense lmao

Thank you

Who wouldn't? Pokémon chars are either underage or parent figures...

So am I

​@@malachioom what you mean by that? 🤔🤨

@@deadplissso then the correct steps are fictional animals?

tremendous literally means “good” or “very big”… also what do you expect, it’s a conventionally attractive white woman

🥺 god that makes me love Arven even more

Idk, it's never explicitly stated that the S.S. Anne crashes in the games. Maybe Raticate was just too weak for him

@@daemonmoreno9456 I feel that was likely, he's the same character who has found 40 different species, but only carried around 4, I feel like he's very, VERY selective as far as his party goes

There’s also the fact that when you face off against Blue he has two new pokemon on his team, presumably to replace Raticate (whether it died like in fanon or if he, like many players, decided it was too weak and took off his team)

Lolno. Every subsequent villain with a Crobat is not story-relevant, and is just filling in blanks considering there is no story development for them that implies any sort of friendship/love.

Mattpat crushed that raticate theory over a decade ago

What the hell is a Swadloon I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A SWADLOON???

It's the bug-grass unova pokemon

Middle evo? (seeing as Sewaddle's the base stage and Leavanny's the final stage)

​@@tammyc7136 Swadloon is what Seawaddle evolves into. Then with max friendship, it evolves into Leavanny.

I swear we gotta stop comparing them just because it's an evolution, one is a defensive pokémon and the other is offensive. Also it's still viable today with download and tri-attack.

​@@chemistryalchemy196 Kieran plays VGC, and Porygon Z has only ever been VGC viable in generation 4 with a pretty gimmicky set. And it *definitely* isn't viable anymore, after Ursaluna-Blood Moon stole its lunch.

@@EnderPryde Idk VGC enough to retort on that part but it's definitely still viable in its own tier in solos, doesn't have to be OU or anything since power creep makes it impossible for most mons. And it's still viable in gen 9 NU (a tier that has Flygon, Infernape or even Thundurus) so we defo shouldn't sleep on that thing, nor should we compare it to its defensive pre-evo lol.

​@@chemistryalchemy196Porygon 2 isn't purely defensive though, with analytic (or download/trace if you wanna gamble) it can still hit pretty hard with all it's moves while also being beefy with recovery. Pory 2 is just used for support most of the time cause it's the better option

​@chemistryalchemy196 Smogon tiers arent exactly the best way to compare a pokemon's viability lol. It's a metagame after all, look at cofagrigus' viability in gen 6 and gen 7. In gen 6 cofagrigus was usable with a solid niche in OU. In gen 7 cofagrigus was ZU and was too terrible for PU. In the end smogon tiers aren't the best way to determine a pokemon's exact power level, it's more of a base of where it could be. Some pokemon are way higher rated because they deal with the meta particularly well while some pokemon are underrated because they just don't match well with the meta game. Porygon-z in particular is interesting because while it is strong enough to threaten a blissey with special attacks using 1 turn of setup, it's also paper frail and isn't fast making it extremely easy to out offense thus making it not that good. It's what other people say, it's a niche pokemon.

Haven’t played the game but wasn’t the fact that back then she wasn’t rich at the time and lived a poor life and she found her first pokemon being a trubbish and even though she looks elegant now she still has the same trubbish all this time since well. It was her first pokemon friend to be with

​@@kasagrim7215 Yes exactly! It shows that no matter how she is now and presents herself, she hasn't forgotten where she came from and Garbordor is still her best friend!

Also it's all pokemon he found on the way when fighting the legends

Almost all of the Pokèmon Arven catches during the Path of Legends have some form of ingredient or seasoning associated with them that you get from defeating them. Shellder doesn't, but he makes a good pun about serving Klawf a beating on the half shell. Toedscool drops flaps that the Pokèdex explicitly describes as delicious. Nacli drops salt. And Scovillain drops Capsakid seeds, the hottest part of a pepper, iirc. Skwovet/Greedent are just gluttons, and he had that before you started the Titan quest line.

​@@Mr-Troxshellders are clams and people eat clams all the time

@@lightningrose3654 I specifically meant the items they drop. Shellder drops pearls, not a food or seasoning item.

@@Mr-Trox oh. My bad.

It works so damn well tho. Common mon, usually thought of as nuisance, but given the right person to care for it (heartless as it might be) the mon will care back and give it it's all for you. This message it's brought to you by the love your regional pest association.

Counterpoint: Cyrus. Though you can argue that makes it depressing, seeing as Cyrus's Crobat loves him, but Cyrus obviously doesn't return the sentiment.

​@@Mr-Trox it's also serve as a paralel between Cyrus and the rest of Team Galactic as all of the admin are deeply loyal to hil while he doesn't think anything of them

@@Mr-Trox What do you mean, obviously? I think the implication is the exact opposite, that he does care. He just doesn't show it or is bad at showing it. It evolves with Friendship. Friendship is not a one way street, he cared for that Zubat long enough for it to evolve, twice, despite Zubat's being weak as hell.

She’s like the Pokemon equivalent of a horse girl. Her personality, life story, and motivation is Eevee.

I mean, from memory she is the only Trainer to actually use a full team of Eevelutions

Incredibly valid of her honestly. Though as an aside her Ace is Sylveon who requires affection to evolve indicating she spoils her Eevee rotten, which is backed up by absolutely all her team having both Baby Doll Eyes and Growl (aka they're not a battle team really, they're just her pets) XD Additionally given the variety of evolutions on the team one could argue that's representative of how much effort she'll go to to ensure her friends' happiness - a custom effort every time (one's even Leafeon so horror upon horrors that Egirl went out and actually touched grass XD)

@@FaisLittleWhiteRaven well I mean for that particular Pokémon it makes sense to get it to evolve into the fairy type it least know at least one fairy type move

@@FaisLittleWhiteRaven I mean as of gen 8 you don't need to go to the Mossy/Icy Rock for Leafeon and Glaceon they can just use stones (and there are no Evo Rocks in Galar or Paldea, Penny is from Galar)

Thinking about Cyrus suddenly made me think of a comparison to Zamasu from Dragonball In that series, Zamasu is a bad guy, wanting to erase all mortals, but hes also not technically bad? As it was revealed that despite his evil actions, hes still pure of heart (this being further signified by a cup of tea he was serving being unclouded, despite it having properties that reveal your true heart) This being DB's take on being pure of heart, where it isnt just naturally being good or bad, but how you percieve your actions. And since Zamasu perceives his actions as just, hes pure. Makes me wonder if Cyrus is similar, somebody who despite their evil actions, they still see said actions as pure and just, hence the supposed friendship towards his Crobat.

@@sketchydude8431 I like your point of view on this! 🫂

The additional factor in Cyrus' case is that Mars and Saturn, his direct subordinates, only have Golbats in their fight at Spear Pillar.

Cool pfp!

What remakes?

​@@velvetbutterfly BW2

@@stratigangames508 those are sequels, not remakes

@@velvetbutterfly I know. I'm just telling you what OP meant.

Probably the same thing he did to N, lots of abuse and gaslighting, so the Hydreigon hates his guts but can’t allow itself to leave because it wouldn’t know what to do without him.

Isn't it a popular headcanon that Ghetsis is short an eye an possibly an arm thanks to his Hydreigon? It may well have tried.

Not to mention Ghetsis' entire BW team is perfectly designed to counter N's, with his Hydreigon also being perfectly designed to solo N's entire team and counter its own weaknesses.

The definition of "feltcutemightdeletelater". 😂

Not really. At least in VGC, outside of Gens 4 and 5, Z just has basically *no* presence in the metagame, while 2 pops in and out of the meta regularly as a turbo bulky trick room setter.

@@EnderPrydePorygon Z is more of singles. It was really strong with Conversion Z in 7th gen and has always been on the edge of “One buff will make this thing one shoot whatever”

@@lyg483 well considering Kieran's full team is a doubles team... Z being viable in singles is kinda moot.

​@@EnderPrydeI think people have forgotten the horror that was Max Hyper Beam Porygon-Z in gen 8

(nodding furiously) literally nothing compares

adaptability hyper beam superiority

"sad" lol, lmao even.

@@anonymousapproximation8549 huh

@@ItzPaydayFellas If you want to know; Kieran originally thought that the Ogre was just as dangerous as the myth originally portrayed it, and was still obsessed enough to stalk the Ogre at her own home in the hopes of seeing it. That's another issue, Kieran is a genuine stalker, he literally admits to it, and his obsession with Ogerpon leads to him feeling possessive of something he doesn't even own. Kieran is a great character and a terrible person, who reflects the story of Kitikami's Toxic Trio. The only thing "sad" about him is how pathetic he seems when you first meet him.

But if Kieran got a Legendary/Mythical, he'd feel like a main character, and we can't have that. The Ex-Champion must know his place.

True but poliwrath does have a high bst with 10 more points

after mochi mayhem, there's league club dialogue from kieran that basically says both poli's are precious to him. i assume he always had them as a pair, but opted for wrath in TM because it was better in singles, then toed because it's better in doubles.

​@@bewearstar9462Politoed has Drizzle and a better defensive typing.

Totally. Though somehow I felt worse for the AI. Arven has friends now, and a new lease on life, while the AI is going to be alone for the rest of their existence.

Mmmm idk how to feel about that winky face

It *does* help deal with Ice Types, which it's otherwise 4 times weak to, it just also still leaves him open to a Moonblast.

@@Mr-Trox Just checked and saw Kieran's Hydrapple had Tera Blast, I'll give you that, good eye. Though it's still funny to think that the character had Fighting as the tera type seemingly for the belt rather then Steel that would cover not only it's x4 weakness to Ice, it would cover weaknesses to Flying, Bug, Poison, Dragon, and Fairy all as resistance (except poison which becomes an immunity).

How? His personality and entire story are mostly a copy paste from the alolan rival.

@@someoneweird4439 um NO. Did Hau catch a legendary? Did Hau have any character growth? Did Hau become the second Pokémon Professor in training from one of the rivals? Was Hau an important protagonist in the games? No, Hau is easily one of the worst characters in the games, he does so little for the story it’s not even funny. Hell LILLIE has more character growth than the actual Trainer who’s supposed to BE our rival. Hop is an amazing rival, he didn’t NEED a second game to somewhat flesh him out more, he didn’t NEED an extra story to be better he just IS a better rival than Hau

@@someoneweird4439 also! Hau was so unimportant in the game that he BARELY got any screen time in the Anime other than battling Ash, yes the same COULD be said for Hop, but Journeys was completely different than the rest of the seasons that focused on one Region, I’d bet if it was focused in the Galar Region that we’d see more Hop

I feel like Blue's Party being pretty much RGB's (missing just his starter) imply otherwise That and lots of smaller details from Yellow that are missing in Gen 2 and details just as small that were only in RGB but not Yellow being present (Like the presence of the old man in Cerulean from RBG who loves trading while the Bulbasaur girl is absent)

Dubwool is meta in Go

Dubwool would need Follow Me to get that far. That's the only reason Pachirisu made it onto that team.

Then you think you're slick sending in a Ghost Type just to get a Life Orb boosted Shadow Ball. The Hisuian Zorua you got for pre-ordering the DLC isn't even the perfect counter, as it'll just be slammed with a boosted Ice Beam or Thunderbolt.

Bede only actually gets rid of his Solosis, the rest of his team all end up as Psychic/Fairy anyways pre-gym leader Bede

@@wolfekupo5651 He moves his Gothita off of his team too

His team fits perfectly into being your typical Yellow team. Pikachu, the starters, Snorlax and an Eeveelution. 5 of the 6 are given to you in Yellow, with Snorlax being a mandatory encounter. The only real argument that Yellow isn't the canon team is that Blue's is based off of his RBG team, not his Yellow one.

​@@Mr-Trox "the only argument" mate, you have no bloody idea how wrong you are 1: light ball. kinda a meta thing, but if you transferred the pokemon yellow partner pikachu to a gen 2 game it'd be holding a light ball, but in gen 2 red's pikachu isn't holding a light ball, directly indicating it isn't a partner pikachu. 2: his team in the let's go games. pretty simply, his team in let's go implies very heavily he picked bulbasaur, and blue and green's teams support that since they have the other starters. 3: the timeline. so amongst the noticeable differences between red/blue and yellow, yellow also takes place 2 years later than them, with it's protagonist being 10 instead of 11, to better match the anime, however we know the red in gold/silver/crystal is 14, meaning he can't be from yellow since he'd only be 11. 4: the timeline …again. so not only does pokemon yellow take place two years after red/blue, but so do the let's go games, meaning they straight up de-canonised pokemon yellow. 5: masters ex. so the mobile gatcha game isn't canon, but those devs worked closely with game freak to keep it canon compliant, and masters ex makes it pretty clear that it's red wasn't from pokemon yellow, even giving explanations on how he has all 3 starters (iirc it was that he hatched them from eggs) 6: a standard red/blue team also looks like this. ok this is more of a counterargument on why it doesn't have to be yellow, than an argument on why it can't be like the rest, but aside from pikachu, the rest of his team is still made of stationary/gift pokemon, and it's not like he couldn't catch a pikachu or trade for the other starters. and 7, this one's not based on the lore but entirely meta reasons, but: pokemon didn't give red all 4 starters because he's from yellow, but because they don't want to confirm what starter he did pick, because the games are supposed to be the players personal journey, and nothing would be as impersonal than telling someone they played the non-canon game, or picked the non-canon starter, and if pokemon hadn't been so weird early on with its time line then there wouldn't be a way to tell what game red was from, but they were, and it's the one time we can say a pokemon game didn't happen.