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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Steven Bonnell II, also known as Destiny. They discuss the differences between the left and the right, force versus invitation, the feasibility and pitfalls of command economies, the dangers of ideology, and government response to worldwide crises.
Destiny, also known as Steven Bonnell II, is a prominent political commentator and content creator known for his debate skills and provocative takes on various issues. With a passion for gaming, politics, and philosophy, Destiny engages in lively discussions that often challenge the status quo.
This episode was recorded on February 3rd, 2024
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(0:00) Tour info 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:18) Intro
(2:22) Early days of streaming, how Steven entered political commentary
(7:40) Changes in thinking: shifting to the left
(12:11) The key differences between left and right worldviews
(13:29) Intervention, distribution, gigantism, and populism
(23:42) Redistribution and command economies, can they work?
(29:32) Negative externalities, balancing free markets with incentivized behavior and their effects on the poor
(37:34) Climate and economic models: two Towers of Babel
(40:57) The timeframe of C02 models changes the outlook, so how far back should we consider?
(43:12) The green guise of compassion obscures underlying intent
(47:34) The psychology of those who utter, “There are too many people on the planet”
(49:46) Destiny’s Jenga Tower, an analogy for how people become stuck in their beliefs
(57:00) Why people fear nuclear energy
(58:30) Realities of the green energy pipe dream
(1:00:32) Is it malevolence or ignorance that drives bad ideas? Motives versus public perception
(1:03:19) Both parties wield power when they have it, so how do we mitigate it?
(1:07:37) Was WWII Germany right or left wing?
(1:09:19) Moses and the desert
(1:13:56) Living in separate realities and bridging the divide
(1:15:50) MRNA, validity of rollout and excess deaths
(1:24:34) It wasn’t just the left
(1:26:27) Weighing the fear of a crisis against the use of experimental technology
(1:30:00) Mass consensus
(1:37:38) Psychopathy and levels of malevolence
(1:43:10) Do marriage and society exist without force?
(1:47:50) Tit-for-tat, force or justice?
(1:59:11) Why Steven debates
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@orcanimal Ай бұрын

Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.

@sammyismuff Ай бұрын

1:13:11

@steakeater4018 Ай бұрын

He didn’t even give our girl Destiny a paper to roll up and fidget with. Hitler level evil

@MaximusTCR Ай бұрын

Baller!

@enigma7385 Ай бұрын

Oh no I arrived late to comment that! Lol

@johnbuckner2828 Ай бұрын

Yea, great convo.

@ajbrewer1777 Ай бұрын

This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol

@NSHaliFacts Ай бұрын

32:07

@danielsilveira3456 Ай бұрын

🤣 No, kidding ...

@SB-mr2nk Ай бұрын

Is that what fathers are supposed to do?

@lavest971 Ай бұрын

@@SB-mr2nk the political/philosophical discussions I have with my father are some of the most important discussions of my life. Without patting myself on the back too much, I feel like I give him a nuance perspective into my generation, and he gives me an extremely grounded perspective into how we got to this point in the world. Best person I know to talk about anything

@redbird1336 Ай бұрын

This is also how adult friends interacted when I was a child. I have wonderful memories of my parents and other couples they were friends with sitting around our kitchen table "debating" issues for hours. Drinking coffee and having some intense conversations with no malice, aggression, or hurt feelings. Even when they disagreed on the topics. And remaining friends despite their differences. Taught me a lot about how to be a real adult, stand for what you believe in while respecting other people's right to do the same. To also respectfully listen to other people's differing opinions with an open mind because we're never too old to learn from each other. I miss that so much these days.

@ChaimS Ай бұрын

Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!

@lameuser1 15 күн бұрын

I hope this is a sign that the medium and participants are maturing. Doubtful but I can hope.

@8Maduce50 15 күн бұрын

@@lameuser1they both have independent platforms. This was organized by themselves and not a network

@michaelh878 3 күн бұрын

Probably because it wasn't a debate at all. It was an interview where some disagreements came up. Not sure an actual debate would go the same way.

@rager5600 2 күн бұрын

I love to see passion from both sides!!

@levikrikke6997 Ай бұрын

I could’ve watched 6 more hours of this. Love that they can passionately clash ideas and never get personal. Also the Good Dr’s Jacket was 🔥

@Zomarieful 18 күн бұрын

Yes! (Re: that jacket. Dr P is a snappy dresser. That is, his attention on his attire is stylish and innovative…. (can I say) ‘for a man’? Well I just did cause he is one. (Both snappy dresser and a man)

@edmonddantes563 12 күн бұрын

You need to raise your standards

@levikrikke6997 12 күн бұрын

@@edmonddantes563 atleast I don't socially engage in the comments of videos I don't even like💀

@gabriellemaes4078 4 күн бұрын

Destiny is smart. Bur there is no foresight or empathy. Typical leftie mentality. It's their bizarre religion

@jadonharper1493 Ай бұрын

Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.

@user-sd5wg1vg4e Ай бұрын

His daughter is friends with Lauren Southern. Who apparently had his bastard child. After his experiment with cuckoldry and marital failure.

@raidzeromatt Ай бұрын

"So maybe it wasn't a good idea to let your wife get ran through by random dudes for money. Okay, okay.."

@Seagal-tl5fv Ай бұрын

Always so important to have diverse viewpoints. Good thing there is a strong black italian woman being included in the discourse finally.

@zarbins Ай бұрын

Peterson does try to get many more left leaning people on but they almost always refuse. It is very disappointing as I would love to see a divergent range of thought/opinions. Kudos to Destiny for stepping up.

@shelby3755 Ай бұрын

Destiny does always talk more to conservatives than other leftists do. @@zarbins

@Eze_Cloud Ай бұрын

I love a debate with zero personal attacks.

@vakuzar Ай бұрын

Thats a great point, how rare tbh. I dont agree with Destiny almost at all but I respect him for being a good faith actor. If only more lefties where like that, conversations could get somewhere.

@j0hn00arthur Ай бұрын

@@vakuzarthe point is not to get anywhere, as a whole neither side is trying to build something better, each side wants to win for themselves, no matter what, that’s all

@vakuzar Ай бұрын

@@34fdfgbr I too use insults when I have nothing of substance to say XD

@Eze_Cloud Ай бұрын

@@34fdfgbr nice personal attack.

@junimeme5626 Ай бұрын

@@34fdfgbrWelp. Tick that "personal attacks" counter to 1 because of you.

@midder66 Ай бұрын

This is probably one of the best conversations/debate I have seen in a long time and more of these need to happen.

@Aires457 23 күн бұрын

I love how fast they both talk and respond to each other. It makes this one of the best debates I've ever seen.

@alialdoukhi2014 18 күн бұрын

I need adderall after this, it’s lowkey verbal diarrhea coming out of both of them

@11bsavage64 7 күн бұрын

No I fucking hated it. I hate how fast destiny talks, you can clearly see the femininity just spewing out of him.

@over7532 Ай бұрын

The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.

@rileystrom8530 Ай бұрын

I do see what you're talking about, but I would (somewhat parasocially) guess that destiny does not really see getting "worked up" as a negative thing he'd have to apologize for. He's said before that he enjoys conversations like that much more than never truly getting into the details. My guess is that JBP is probably the same way.

@RS-fy9hb Ай бұрын

Destiny doesn't view it as a problem, but he absolutely recognizes it normally conveys high tension friction and overly combativeness, which he's specifically tried to not be swept up in. Finkelstein Debate is another such example, he kept his cool, even if just for appearances, so while he personally doesn't dislike the high tension verbal "fights", when it comes to getting your point across to a different audience, he's made a point of making sure not to get swept up in raising the temperature, or mudslinging (although mudslinging didn't occur here, despite the tone almost seeming to indocate it could happen).

@kyle8688 Ай бұрын

If an apology is both subtle and unspoken then that’s not an apology

@markkangas413 Ай бұрын

@@kyle8688if it's heard then it's an apology

@RS-fy9hb Ай бұрын

@@kyle8688 it doesn't need to be a verbalised apology to recognize there was an acknowledgement of tempers flaring or the temperature increasing, for both parties to feel the need and want to cooperate to decrease the tension in the room. If you want to argue semantics, we'll probably be here all day.

@leonabarkell1809 Ай бұрын

As a conservative, I am now skeptical aboul both gigantic business and government. It's especially dangerous because they are working together.

@BidenHasDementia Ай бұрын

Government enables big businesses to exist.

@JoeKerr420 Ай бұрын

Think back to Teddy Roosevelt you’ll see why he was a Trust Busting conservative

@dmr6390 Ай бұрын

Great comment. Centralized power in general is always concerning to me

@MrDeano-eu9rg Ай бұрын

Hence why you shouldn't keep voting I'm the same asswipe parties...stop voting republican abd democrat

@aylictal Ай бұрын

As a liberal, I am happy conservatives are now seeing the issue with big business. About 10 years back there was a fairly significant libertarian movement on the right, especially regarding Ron Paul and the tea party where they wanted big business to have 0 limitations and ultimately complete control. Scary when those same corporations without limitations would also without limitation take their money in towards lobbyists behind closed doors to basically be the government themselves without anyone seeing it. Liberals, including myself, nowadays also see the problem with big government in hindsight, especially when war is concerned. If you ask any liberal which president killed the most people in history, it wasn't a conservative, but Barack Obama. Its a fact, and hard for other libs to swallow.

@SoCalledChristian Күн бұрын

Destiny did a good job talking with Jordan. I’m impressed even though I don’t agree with everything he says he made some good points. I really enjoyed this.

@jakethehuman7 21 күн бұрын

When destiny talks I had to check my settings to make sure the speed wasn't at 1.25

@Shakawkaw 15 күн бұрын

I kept thinking "slow it down, Ben Shapiro" (no insult intended to Destiny though)

@MilitaryDog. 11 күн бұрын

He kept trying to get his words out before Peterson interrupted him again. I love Jordan, it’s one of his largest flaws and he needs to work on listening for the sake of smooth conversational flow.

@Angiegrl 7 күн бұрын

@@MilitaryDog.I think Jordan Peterson is used to sparring with people with much lower intelligence than he has and he hears all of the same rhetoric over and over. I don’t blame him for immediately countering that same bs he’s heard and proven to be incorrect. Destiny was silenced SEVERAL times because he was just plain wrong. And Destiny knew he was wrong. He wasn’t speaking quickly for fear of interruption, he speaks quickly whenever he tries to put a point out that he doesn’t truly believe. I personally can’t stand Destiny but I’ll give him this - He is good at arguing and he knows it. That’s why he doesn’t have any sides or beliefs he’ll fight for. He has made Devils Advocate his entire personality. He even argues with people who agree with him. 😂

@MilitaryDog. 7 күн бұрын

@@Angiegrl I’ll refer to your expertise. You seem to know more about that Destiny kid than I do. This is my first time hearing the name.

@CameronsCandorOriginal 5 күн бұрын

That's what all those nights as a keyboard warrior and MTN Dew will do

@normanlewis2953 Ай бұрын

Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.

@mastakilla7317 Ай бұрын

Yeah he walked the line gracefully

@jordanbabcock8806 Ай бұрын

Except during the vaccine bit

@Barbato13 Ай бұрын

Yup Mr barmelli was nice today lol

@curiousrap Ай бұрын

Mr. Burelli used his wiki knowledge to make the conversation interesting.

@jc707imports Ай бұрын

Basssseeeddddd

@HostileTakeover555 Ай бұрын

Thank you for having Mr. Bonerelli on. I always enjoy when people from different sides of the political spectrum talk to each other.

@stendaalcartography3436 Ай бұрын

It was great to see Mr. Borelli on here!

@NickTheShark_ Ай бұрын

Destiny has some reasonable views

@redacted2275 Ай бұрын

Good to know, *HostileTakeover555.*

@HostileTakeover555 Ай бұрын

⁠@@stendaalcartography3436 - Indeed - I like that since JP is a Psychologist that it makes for a more interesting interview/debate unlike one Mr. Cuchinelli has done before.

@sooperd00p Ай бұрын

@@NickTheShark_he doesn't have any views. He is a nihilist internet debate bro. He believes in nothing.

@tomadde Ай бұрын

Amazingly good debate. Regardless if you're leaning left or right, this was just so good and intellectually satisfying. Thank you!

@jasonwithnell84 18 күн бұрын

Destiny may intellect but Jordan has Wisdom with Intellect.

@schwarg Ай бұрын

Jordans suit game is outta this world

@reghty Ай бұрын

Christian orthodox aesthetics 🔥

@iainbreen7835 Ай бұрын

Yeah that is a bold choice

@protoindoeuropean Ай бұрын

@@reghtycringe

@vh1775 Ай бұрын

It’s awful

@danfratzke5394 Ай бұрын

He wore that during the visit to sioux-falls. I asked him if he would be willing to trade, straight up, for mine. Got a solid laugh. No blazers were exchanged that evening. But memories were made.

@Noccyboy Ай бұрын

51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter

@joshuamendez9959 Ай бұрын

Such is the daily wire

@nothingspecial1241 Ай бұрын

the only fadeaway i saw was destiny's beard. dude slipped in the shower while shaving.

@stillnotchill2560 Ай бұрын

@@nothingspecial1241it's likely alopecia barbae. Funny how his recent interviews always have that spot of his beard facing the camera though lol. It can grow back but he should just shave the sides until it does.

@rubssi8741 Ай бұрын

@@stillnotchill2560 It is alopecia, Destiny brought it up several times on stream. Edit: Also he did shave the sides xD

@MiddleWayLife Ай бұрын

Yo this shit makes me so sick. Why do they cover up the actual content with the ad. Why don't they just pause the content and show the ad?

@Medievalwelding 11 күн бұрын

Fantastic debate, It is so refreshing to listen to two people have smart heated conversation. Bravo to the both of you. Thanks for letting me watch. Cheers

@gouliansimte332 21 күн бұрын

It's commendable that Jordan highlighted how whenever Destiny finds himself cornered or losing an argument, he tends to completely redefine the topic at hand. Some examples that come to mind include insisting on redefining "force" or "status" during debates.

@sup9023 9 күн бұрын

where do you think he got ‘cornered’ again?🤡

@cooloutac 6 күн бұрын

I think you have it backwards. Jordan started squirming and getting visibly upset when Destiny corrected his claim that we have never forced anyone to take vaccines, when we have throughout our history. That was nonsense and Jordan looked foolish for saying it. I'm sorry.

@terrycruise-zd5tw 3 күн бұрын

its pathetic how jordan consistently backpedaled and changed the topic whenever he knew he couldnt defend his stance

@cooloutac 3 күн бұрын

@@terrycruise-zd5tw Ya, he got a lot of pushback that climate change initiatives have made people poorer. I mean Greta Thurnberg has a career arguing the opposite lol. Also Africa finds it hard to use fossil fuels? WTF? They get whatever they want from China and that is the real problem imo. We are pushing them to fossil fuels is what is happening lol.

@paulmcintosh2095 Ай бұрын

Its good to see destiny in therapy.

@timelkin838 Ай бұрын

Savage

@michaelmurray7220 24 күн бұрын

Let’s hope it works.

@alexduran6268 22 күн бұрын

Exactly

@daronykoy8244 15 күн бұрын

He think he’s so smart but his wife left him for a younger guy and opened relationships didn’t work either ! Looser!

@daronykoy8244 15 күн бұрын

Destiny need more dope or vaccines to keep him going

@terrim3853 Ай бұрын

The pure joy Jordan got from an actual debate must be so rewarding 😂

@vettevegas Ай бұрын

Intellectual honesty. Nice!

@chekz3520 Ай бұрын

This wasn't a debate, really. JP debated Dillahunty, Sam Harris, and Zizek. They were all L's for him.

@yemartini5443 Ай бұрын

@@chekz3520facts

@StarStriker-pk1zy Ай бұрын

lol, what ever you say buddy@@chekz3520

@mikesharderlemonade668gmail Ай бұрын

@chekz3520 you are ignorant, wrong and clearly never watched those conversations 😂😂😂😂😂

@zanec9108 29 күн бұрын

Would love to see more from these two. Great discussion.

@kevinross6235 Ай бұрын

I started to think this interview never happened because it took a long time to be released

@Ryan-on9ne Ай бұрын

Were you edging or were you gooning?

@beanshadow008 Ай бұрын

Not everyone uses spotify

@kevinross6235 Ай бұрын

@@nyChannel09I don't use Spotify for podcast and I wasn't really complaining

@RedactedUsername Ай бұрын

To be fair we had reason to doubt given Destiny used a JP interview as a bait & switch before

@kevinross6235 Ай бұрын

@@RedactedUsernameWe certainly had a reason

@kylesadirtbag5937 Ай бұрын

“ guys please you’re ruining Easter for the whole family”

@ritafernandes7218 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@assaqwwq Ай бұрын

BUT I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE, NOW LEMME HALF MY URANIUM ENRICHED KOOL AID. Grandpa, you called the cops on the "shady" people that moved next door. SO?! oh irony. Destiny says there's hypocrisy and abuses of power on both sides. JP: BUT THE LEFT... Just cause you use multi syllable words and have a degree in sociology don't make you an expert in big data modeling, idiot.

@chadmangimelli2834 Ай бұрын

Too late, Biden already ruined it.

@Snowflake_Destroyer Ай бұрын

You mean trans visibility day😂😂😂

@Pixelkip Ай бұрын

@@Snowflake_Destroyer waaahhh

@mandyklasson2991 20 күн бұрын

Destiny! Please agree to do another one of these! I would love to listen to you guys talk. I look up to you BOTH and would LOVE to listen to more of this!

@Donnybrook10 23 күн бұрын

Kudos to Jordan for not using force and strangling him.

@janekocorek3313 14 күн бұрын

No doubt, my computer screen is lucky to be unscathed. I so agree, condescending Ritalin talking too fast knowing too little. Humble much?

@mad7stringer 14 күн бұрын

Why? Both sides were very civil during the entire debate. It's ok to disagree with someone without feeling the need to strangle them. That was kinda the whole point of this

@janekocorek3313 12 күн бұрын

@@mad7stringer Absolutely agree with what you said And I enjoy a good debate always. I just think it's always standard decorum for somebody that's that much longer than somebody to show a little more reverence for the fact that person has much more life experienced and for that reason alone possibly may know a tiny bit more. Or, maybe he doesn't, but it still would shown the other guy to be more intelligent & classy had he yielded to the elder Respect thing.

@ThePurplemaneater Күн бұрын

@@janekocorek3313 Elder respect is an incredibly stupid concept, so I disagree completely. If some octogenarian dude comes up to me and starts talking about how much better things were when women were barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and that women don't belong in the work place, I'm not going to show that person's opinion any kind of respect just because they're older. Yours is an incredibly naive outlook.

@jc707imports Ай бұрын

These guys had such natural chemistry they could easily do this regularly and have enormous success. Don’t sleep on this rare dynamic that’s been uncovered. It’s special.

@BrennanWayneLuther Ай бұрын

Yeah there is something happening here that feels entirely productive.

@dtps_champion6016 Ай бұрын

Good point

@eazeazeaz Ай бұрын

I doubt they collaborate again for a while. It’s a shame though, this convo was really good.

@chok1169 Ай бұрын

Initially I didn't feel it that much, but by the end of the conversation I think it was good.

@dip9995 Ай бұрын

I agree their chemistry/dynamic completely captured my attention

@kevinross6235 Ай бұрын

The interview is actually real

@aberosmuchos7062 Ай бұрын

I still cant believe it, lmao

@aberosmuchos7062 Ай бұрын

Thanks Lex

@dashockpixle4140 Ай бұрын

How old is this

@kevinross6235 Ай бұрын

@@dashockpixle4140I believe it was filmed on February 2nd or 3rd

@Brainjoy01 Ай бұрын

lets see how much destiny wanted to cut out

@globaldemise 19 күн бұрын

Love this! More of this please! Love watching Peterson getting passionate.

@thomaswinzy 22 күн бұрын

I've never seen Jordan like this. Have i not seen enough or is this uncommon? He handle each others "tactics" very well. Its like wisdom vs intelligence rap battle. (although they are both very intelligent)

@terrycruise-zd5tw 3 күн бұрын

because he felt threatened by someone smarter than him who was constantly dunking on him on every topic

@TheZeplinfan Күн бұрын

actual intellect vs. faux intelligence

@bryanthelyon Ай бұрын

Probably one of JP’s most interesting talks I’ve heard in a while. Very good pairing here.

@knachos2233 Ай бұрын

Impressed by destiny

@arenegadeboss Ай бұрын

These guys should argue more often. I'm a destiny fan but it's so good to see someone intelligently push back and make him go a level or 2 deeper or make him use precise language particularly because Peterson is intently listening and engaging. Give us a once a month argument about anything 🤣

@HeyCutie90 Ай бұрын

Yes, I particularly liked their back and forth on vaccines. It really challenged my beliefs on both sides and I think they both made excellent points. It’s very rare to see those sorts of conversations where you can see people with opposing perspectives and agree with both in different aspects.

@drearmouse9510 Ай бұрын

@@arenegadeboss Right? Feel like Destiny's the only person I've personally seen that had Dr. P stopping and thinking a bit more than usual about his reasoning.

@JohnWheaton1 Ай бұрын

⁠@@drearmouse9510Yes I agree, and coming from the side of a Destiny fan, this is one of the first times I’ve truly seen someone make him stop and think about his reasoning. This is why it’s so important to have smart people from both sides debate complex topics, it’s the only way we can move forward as a country and as a people. Very impressed by both and I hope they do this again.

@Constantinch Ай бұрын

The debate on vaccines and climate change was actually fun to listen to. I like when debate opponents actually acknowledge what the other one is saying and address it instead of running down their own dialogue tree.

@zakeaton5632 Ай бұрын

Like how neither of them or you realize that not a single pediatric vaccine in the US has ever been safety tested 😂 Or how there’s no way to record the average temperature of the earth, least of all no way to model the infinite number of variables. If there was, banks and corporations would be using the algorithm, not the fuckin weather man 🤣 You simpletons will fall for any propaganda

@user-vg5ie5hm1u Ай бұрын

You literally have to have 30 iq to not get the "vaccines" was a money grab

@polpottopg Ай бұрын

@nft3 NPC

@zakeaton5632 Ай бұрын

@@polpottopgyou’re the npc because you dont know that a single pediatric vax has ever been safety tested 😂

@jacobkudrowich Ай бұрын

@@zakeaton5632you'd think that would make you more apprehensive about the vaccine not less .

@pinkyi151 Ай бұрын

I just came back from seeing Dr Peterson in person tonight ...his show was awesome and interactive ! Today was also my birthday. He is the best gift I ever got for my birthday besides the birth of my kids ! 🎉I was a die hard fan but now that I’ve seen him in person I cannot begin to explain how elated I feel !!!!! Keep up the good work Dr Peterson !!!!! 😊

@_This_Is_Patrick_ 29 күн бұрын

Happy Birthday

@tinekawilliams2715 28 күн бұрын

What a blessing. Happy belated birthday 👍🏼

@italkgory99 26 күн бұрын

Were you at the El Paso show? I was there

@eqjase Ай бұрын

Bro I’m so here for this. I love how more podcasts are doing the left/right crossover. I respect both these gentlemen.

@susanzeidler3960 Ай бұрын

It would be nice to have more of them but the only people I've seen from the left that are willing to do it are Destiny and Ana Kasparian. Well, Cenk went on a couple during his 'presidential run' but IMO it was only to grandstand and try for 'gotchas'. He didn't seem interested in having a real discussion.

@TheNancypoo Ай бұрын

This used to be the norm. It's weird you think this is so novel 🙄

@Kurnhelios Ай бұрын

@@TheNancypooWhen was it the norm? I’m only 26 and this is pretty unique to me (since I’ve been old enough to remember and appreciate it)

@chadduckenfield7374 Ай бұрын

I would n🎉describe Destiny as a gentleman

@plastifiedmetal5682 Ай бұрын

@@Kurnheliosim 29. This was before our time. Firing line is a good example. Check out Thomas Sowell on there, its incredible.

@JU1CEB0X27 Ай бұрын

The clips are not doing this conversation justice. The clips make it seem like the conversation was very contentious but they are very civil to each other. This was wonderful thank you for the video!

@dominiking69 Ай бұрын

Same thing I thought too. Clips really paint the wrong energy of the conversation

@Luiz997488 Ай бұрын

100%

@AccessCode101 Ай бұрын

That's exactly what I thought.

@TheOzumat Ай бұрын

The clippers strongly rely on the assumption that no one has the attention span to watch the original, that's why they upload strategically clipped shorts to paint the discussion in whatever light they want. Unfortunately it's working, as you can clearly see the difference between the comments section here, vs the comments sections on shorts.

@pablozote Ай бұрын

You took the words out of my mouth!

@canadsian2747 Ай бұрын

Intellectual honesty is in such short supply in today's debate-sphere. Take notes, debaters.

@Mc1aine 24 күн бұрын

Very Illuminating Dr. Peterson. Thankyou. I've been wanting to know more about this chap.

@sbeiting07 Ай бұрын

Thank you for having Ms. Boncinelli on the show. I always appreciate when two people on opposite sides of the autism spectrum can have a civil debate

@emmayates9309 Ай бұрын

I’m forever now describing the variation in autism as the Peterson end and the Destiny end. Golden observation

@likejimi5845 Ай бұрын

Lmaoo well done

@pocketrealitty Ай бұрын

I don’t understand. Is this your attempt at being funny?

@lesterdiamonds27 Ай бұрын

In the brilliant words of Mrs Candace Owens to destiny “aren’t you too old to be acting and thinking the way you do?”

@AJ........ Ай бұрын

Opposite sides of the spectrum, and opposite sexes

@ScriptedLinks Ай бұрын

You rarely ever see Peterson like this. It's fantastic to watch.

@hatersgotohell627 Ай бұрын

I've never seen him like this.

@user-qd8ou9lo4x Ай бұрын

He's used to people agreeing with him on everything

@ScriptedLinks Ай бұрын

@@user-qd8ou9lo4x He's tired of the facade and lies. Quite a lot of us are at this point.

@mrmr2488 Ай бұрын

@@user-qd8ou9lo4xhe’s probably not use to talking to midwits that just rattle off talking points that the person saying them doesn’t even understand. Zero original thoughts, all partisan hackery

@yama4ever Ай бұрын

That's actually the opposite. His rise to fame was because of talking with people that disagreed with him.@@user-qd8ou9lo4x

@neowiza360 Күн бұрын

I'd be willing to pay good money for more discussions between well intentioned and knowledgeable people like these two. 10/10

@kihlgast8181 28 күн бұрын

Best debate ive ever seen, and seems like both are more or less open to debate and hearing the other side. and the counters are good on both sides.

@cubrman Ай бұрын

One of Jordan's best interviews by a large margin.

@andrewstarr8062 Ай бұрын

Yeah if you're a Destiny Stan who has only listened to this one interview...

@TheRandomThings23 Ай бұрын

@@andrewstarr8062you all over the comments crying jp had an interesting conversation, your brain is rotted

@user-wn1kq8jx5q Ай бұрын

@@andrewstarr8062who hurt you lol

@danielvera9890 Ай бұрын

yeah i would not declare that so quickly. But i enjoyed it a lot. @@andrewstarr8062

@Lol-ww8xd Ай бұрын

Yep, it was an immaculate debate by two excellent intellectuals on opposite political spectrum.

@KayellVargas Ай бұрын

The way Jordan Peterson can review the conversation on command and recall a point from the beginning of the convo to then apply it with surgical precision is quite incredible

@Alan_Edwards Ай бұрын

Great observation. I just started watching the video but I totally get your point and have seen it many times. I wish I could do that or could even retain just a tiny bit of the things I read like JP can.

@dantheman1337 Ай бұрын

He's a clinical psychologist

@mandrewski2742 Ай бұрын

My wife can do this and I find it OP and unfair lol

@KayellVargas Ай бұрын

@@mandrewski2742 all i can say in regards to such a skill is with great power comes great responsibility 🤣

@oliverbird6914 Ай бұрын

I thought he lost this argument and I didn't want him to

@cascarrabias397 19 күн бұрын

Jordan, you are the Paul of this time. Great job, you and your family deserve the best.

@CaptainZigZag27 20 күн бұрын

Let's pit Destiny against Ben Shapiro to see who can spit out more words per minute.

@markmalyshev2031 20 күн бұрын

That's totally already happened. Check out Lex Friedman

@punk6969 17 күн бұрын

One of the best debates i've seen in years, What a treat.

@coudgeb Ай бұрын

This is exactly why free speech is so damn important. Without it we can never talk to each other

@user-uk3gk6rf7v Ай бұрын

be honest do you even want to talk to them

@victorespino5650 Ай бұрын

Peterson didn't let Destiny speak at all though lol

@dewaldpretorius5295 Ай бұрын

@@victorespino5650no, it’s Destiny that doesn’t have anything to contribute. He’s an idiot.

@MagicToenail Ай бұрын

Free speech protects you from the government and it has been like that since the dawn of this nation

@VampireLaura1997 Ай бұрын

@@victorespino5650 right? He was shouting the entire time and interrupted him left right and centre. Super disappointed...

@davidryan8547 Ай бұрын

Destiny it was NOT Biden alone that said the vaccine would get rid of transmission. NIH officials and CDC officials said the same thing.

@kylemcmahon9868 Ай бұрын

Did they say it got rid? Or reduced?

@adamcox6960 Ай бұрын

Fauci himself said it

@SquishJessica Ай бұрын

@@kylemcmahon9868 They absolutely said reduce lol

@adamcox6960 Ай бұрын

@SquishJessica in the beginning they said " got rid of"

@jd8184 Ай бұрын

@@adamcox6960fauci said it 1 time. If you look at the bulk of the messages from the go and people like fauci, then its clear they ran a campaign that said it would reduce.

@nathanielrocha5296 7 күн бұрын

It’s heartening to see lots of comments about the lack of personal attacks, but in all realness it seemed that none of the core issues that came up were resolved. Both passionately wove their own arguments without diving too deep into the others. I would certainly love to see a more structured approach to coming to understanding between the two perspectives.

@youtubeviolatedme7123 7 сағат бұрын

Yeah, a few hours is not really enough time to delve into complex topics like climate change and vaccines, but hey, this conversation was still good.

@nathanielrocha5296 3 сағат бұрын

@@youtubeviolatedme7123 Agreed. Although in light of that I feel, at least for me, that we would have been greater serviced by an in depth dive into a few topics rather than a surface level evaluation of a multitude.

@nonphixionification Ай бұрын

Great conversation !

@ryanperrett3740 Ай бұрын

I noticed something very important in this debate. Both were willing to clarify definitions on multiple occasions.

@vicevilla9949 Ай бұрын

That makes everything consistent and they are both in the same terms in what they're talking about. There's something relaxing and satisfying when the conversation is this clear

@joaomercado3220 Ай бұрын

Which makes it all very entertaining and engaging right to the end.

@Grubiantoll Ай бұрын

Both are also activily engaging ain listening and trying to understand what other person is saying, instead of the usual where there is one person who is doing very little listening but a huge lot of assuming

@mattbowden1981 Ай бұрын

So much better than name calling

@Sandlund93 Ай бұрын

If only more people cared about definitions. Instead we assume the worst and end up arguing about 2 different things, while thinking we are arguing about the same thing. Which is just a waste of time.

@strategosopsikion8576 Ай бұрын

I applaud both for this conversation. It got heated and yet remained cordial with no personal attacks. Very well done. We need more of this

@adedejiiyanuoluwa2898 Ай бұрын

Destiny was too hasty to conclude that there were predictions by the conservatives about the side effects of the vaccines of which none of the predictions came through. There were actually side effects, although it might not have been pronounced as expected.

@jizim8947 Ай бұрын

I agree. Things have gotten so bad I can't even talk to my best friend about politics it's sad

@malasc12 Ай бұрын

Which is odd , since Destiny usually leans on personal attacks in debate

@assaqwwq Ай бұрын

Got heated because JP yelled at someone half his age that he doesn't TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE when that wasn't even the argument in the first place 😂

@assaqwwq Ай бұрын

@@jizim8947do more listening than talking. Also take notes. But Destiny is running laps around JP here. Destiny said we live in different worlds with different facts and that more people should be present in the same space. JP ignored that because he was too busy to yell.

@Ltlwolff 19 күн бұрын

This was hard to watch. Destiny fights hard but his lack of credibility is exposed at each new topic. He’s passionate but you can tell he’s emotionally driven and not open minded to the facts when Jordan elaborates. I think destiny might be a concept or actor. Hard to believe that someone could be so stubborn. Hard to watch but in an entertaining way. Thank you

@pimcyprus 13 сағат бұрын

Would love to see a debate between Peterson and Varoufakis! That would be worth the watch!! Can you imagine?? 🙏

@MADDcartman Ай бұрын

Impressed that JP’s community is receiving this well in the comments. Nowadays it seems a roll of the dice whether a community will receive such a contentious conversation. Impressed by these two gentleman as always.

@cocoblaze10 Ай бұрын

Sort by newest and you’ll see the anger behold you lol

@user-by6fp4ov3k Ай бұрын

Funnily enough, its the opposite audience that comes in rude, doing nothing reaponding to his points but just disparaginf his relationship. Destiny's audience is pruned over time to be the open ones. He has had debatea from communists to nick fuentes. They aren't going to be offended by peterson.

@broobit7540 Ай бұрын

@@user-by6fp4ov3kcertainly not offended by jp. He was refreshingly good faith.

@fox1actual Ай бұрын

You can’t say the same for Destiny’s audience.

@bperez8656 Ай бұрын

Destiny wanted so badly to be right about vaccine harm denialism and was just out of his league.

@tomasroque3338 Ай бұрын

Please consider a second long-form discussion! The chemistry was through the roof, and there is no better combination of people so politically opposed while remaining a) intellectually respectable, b) clear in expression, and c) civil in conduct. The unique productivity here would be a gift to the world if you started a podcast together.

@paprikash8574 Ай бұрын

"Destiny" is intellectually dishonest. He either plays the contrarian fukhed or is an actual dumass

@spekopz Ай бұрын

Definately agree, 2 hours was too short!

@dizzzzzzler Ай бұрын

Respectable? Destiny is a smug half brain who argues in bad faith. When Jordan calls him out on his worldview and asks him to defend it, Destiny can only scoff and say, “Well what’s your big brain plan?” Destiny doesn’t have the intellectual rigor to even be in the same room, and certainly not debating.

@hardstyle8184 Ай бұрын

hahaha agreed

@psSubstratum Ай бұрын

absolutely agreed

@kimber-leigh 19 күн бұрын

I love the passion is this discussion ❤ This is AMAZING!!!!!!!!

@konyecstrength4life 23 күн бұрын

This is one of the best conversations/debates i have seen. Respectful throughout.

@Frets49 Ай бұрын

Petition to have multiple conversation between the two forming a playlist

@MinnaLewis Ай бұрын

I’d play it at night to fall asleep to.

@blackcatblues Ай бұрын

I was literally about to comment, "Where do I sign the petition to have this be a weekly podcast?" Glad I wasn't the only one lol

@joshyray91 Ай бұрын

This!! 100%

@uncigirl Ай бұрын

Yes❤

@douglasjamesmartin Ай бұрын

yepyepyep

@jeffpeterson4287 Ай бұрын

So good to see JP looking healthy again.

@gannon5409 Ай бұрын

Amen KetoVore

@belligerentfaggott9204 Ай бұрын

@paultaylor4923 7 күн бұрын

Destiny is of the few liberals out there with a solid head on his shoulders.

@bigsnacks2350 Ай бұрын

This interview is giving me nostalgia from Old School JP debates. I'm very encouraged at the intellectual honesty both men had, no personal attacks, no assuming other person's perspective, just speaking about the issues

@FastAndEasy2010 Ай бұрын

Just, you know, climate change science is equivalent to nazis...that part is pretty dishonest

@mp29940 Ай бұрын

Destiny is not an intellectual. Sorry about that. He made his name off of TDS

@johnnyr4767 Ай бұрын

@FastAndEasy2010 not climate science, the movement behind climate science, you didn't pay enough attention apparently

@Rays_Bad_Decisions Ай бұрын

Yes but the interview is a good example of why the left avoids debate and relies on censorship and paid influencers

@Rays_Bad_Decisions Ай бұрын

@@FastAndEasy2010your right the Nazis raised their people's standard of living

@user-qn5nz3ve6x Ай бұрын

These two guys could argue forever. The second half of this was gold. I'd love to see another one with these two. This was great. Round 2 please. Somebody make it happen.

@yupimawesome Ай бұрын

Peterson said at the end of the conversation/debate that they will talk more.

@boogie8586 Ай бұрын

@yupimawesome hm really? Are you sure about that bud? Hm? Are you confident? Yea? Feeling confident about what you just commented? Well I'll have you know, I lost my dad in a boating accident on 2/7/04 and after he died we went through his belongings and found out he had a child bride in Thailand. What a world!

@krappa1234 Ай бұрын

@@boogie8586 Ain no way bucco . @yupimawesome must be quakin in his boots rn

@boogie8586 Ай бұрын

@@krappa1234 yes I truly showed him and put him in his place, like the giga Chad I am, ofc😎😈

@Kleta Ай бұрын

I do hope he brings mr. Borrelli back for a second round

@reskridge 18 күн бұрын

Throughly enjoyed the conversation! My brother and I have similar conversations every Wednesday evening

@bluejournal83 6 күн бұрын

The format for this debate/discussion is fire. Thank you thank you thank you Jordan.

@gadsby Ай бұрын

I think Peterson really enjoyed having a fiery conversation with someone on the left who could hold their own without having to resort to personal jabs. Allowing him to let his emotions fly and then come back and fourth between emotions on important topics. At the end I think he was impressed with Destiny and tipped his hat to a worthy opponent. I REALLY enjoyed this one.

@Beachhead13 Ай бұрын

Exact words I'd say. Yes. I enjoy both men respectively for their points even before this debate. Awaiting for round 2

@Fitins400 Ай бұрын

Destiny isn't on the left lol he's a lukewarm liberal at best

@jasonuerkvitz3756 Ай бұрын

Worthy opponent, perhaps, but maybe Dr. Peterson saw a bit of the student in Destiny. I just hope Destiny bears enough humility to remember what he learned.

@aldreiong7679 Ай бұрын

Jordan usually gets exhausted when it comes to arguments because they usually lead to conflict and Jordan doesn't like conflict (though he hates delayed conflict even more) but watching him while he's in it is so mesmerizing

@Grockrobin Ай бұрын

I think Destiny won this. More convincing in his arguments. Great debate.

@Jhonatt Ай бұрын

Destiny really looked happy to be there and discuss with JP. I think it shows a lot of respect. And vice versa.

@fg-l3565 Ай бұрын

I've been following Destiny for quite a long time at this point, this had to have been his best conversation in years. JBP's a fantastic speaker.

@rcnewman51. 29 күн бұрын

It’s incredibly refreshing to hear a healthy disagreement. Something that is hard to find these days.

@13ADubb 23 күн бұрын

Love this discussion. Love both of these twos sides. The intellectual discussion is so refreshing. Less attacking, less side questing, I feel these two effectively listened and responded to each other respectable. Please make more content with each other. We need more masters of the minds

@dkkeyz8815 Ай бұрын

This kinda feels like a professor talking to one of the smart students in class and I’m really the shop class guy watching from the window.

@rooftopirishman4571 Ай бұрын

LMAO

@KurNorock Ай бұрын

You give destiny a lot of credit calling him a smart student. He isn't. He just has a good memory and has read the first 3 results of many Google searches that already agree with what he thinks.

@eshwarprasad9218 Ай бұрын

thats one of the more popular definitions of a smart student.@@KurNorock

@luctapia Ай бұрын

@@KurNorock my guess is you should be there with Jordan Peterson instead of Destiny? nope you'll still be just a loser throwing shade at him from a youtube comment section, whoops!

@erenkruger849 Ай бұрын

you clearly haven't watched a single stream@@KurNorock

@Graavyrobber Ай бұрын

The comment section on this alone shows that this was a huge W for both parties involved.

@DAKreates Ай бұрын

Exactly

@mistersonnen848 Ай бұрын

Cause they showed humility to agree with each other's good point

@xander9460 Ай бұрын

Both made good arguments, presented good information, didn't resort to personal attacks. All in all, a good discussion. Tempers got a bit heated tho. Peterson could do with a little less shouting and interrupting. Which surprised me, that's very unlike him. Normally he's very calm and collected in a discussion.

@mikejames1882 Ай бұрын

Anybody who thinks "destiny" represented himself well here needs to stop drinking soy lattes. It's hard to watch, or listen to such a sad, indoctrinated, demoralized and effeminate man for this long. If you think he made good points, you need to change yourself fundamentally to become a man. Peterson is also not the way. He merely points in the faint direction of the way.

@StackingGains Ай бұрын

@@xander9460yes that surprised me, but having a bit of emotion can be interesting for those of us watching.

@bluejournal83 6 күн бұрын

I love this conversation. Music to my ears. Great debate

@ChocolateJorge 29 күн бұрын

This was honestly great, & both made good points. So nice to watch

@frankplaysdrums Ай бұрын

Got to hand it to Destiny. Almost everything I'd seen about him amounted to clips. I didn't have a good impression of him. I must admit that in a long form interview he acquitted himself far better than I assumed he would. I disagree with him on a lot of things but that doesn't matter much as long as people are communicating in good faith. I never sensed hidden agendas or duplicitousness. He's earned a measure of respect from me.

@bidensson4643 Ай бұрын

It highlights the fundamental manipulation of information that exists by decontextualizing individuals for ideological gain. Seeing the world through the lens of shortened clips can be extremely misleading and even Destiny expressed skepticism regarding any "clip less than 10 seconds." Everyone who is associated with a certain ideology usually falls victim to this in one way or another (ex. Jordan Peterson, Destiny, Trump, Biden, etc..)

@Crybaby-Media Ай бұрын

He’s one of the few influencers on the left side of the spectrum that I actually respect and watch frequently . Some of the points he digs his heels into really piss me off . But overall I appreciate his willingness to discuss, and change his opinions

@IKIGAIofficial Ай бұрын

Oh yeah i disagree with Destiny heavy on like 10 topics but i still watch him.

@frankplaysdrums Ай бұрын

@@bidensson4643Exactly. Whenever clips of someone get my blood boiling I always try to remember that a short clip is not the best representation of their actual point of view.

@Bertinator-nm9ld Ай бұрын

I do wish we had more people that were authentic and well thought out in their positions, on both sides of the aisle. I think these people are pretty rare. There's a lot of people that I agree with on a lot of subjects, that are still hot garbage when it comes to rationalizing those beliefs and/or engaging with the opposition. It's funny (in a scary way) how many people I think agree with me, not because of carefully thought out policy approaches, but rather by pure dumb partisan luck.

@emilcioran7444 Ай бұрын

No ad-hominems. This is the way it should ALWAYS be in debates.

@bigboicreme Ай бұрын

😂❤

@glensmillie5101 Ай бұрын

Distinction between right and wrong becomes irrelevant upon the unyielding fields of subliminal enterprise, must a discussion pertaining to efficacy denote the honoury? How I admire you both, this is the best advocation for reasonableness yet. Bravo 😅

@jimjohn9041 Ай бұрын

Lol you don’t see much

@glensmillie5101 Ай бұрын

@@jimjohn9041 nay brother, I see all

@revmsj Ай бұрын

I know right! It’s funny/sad how it seems so abnormal and note worthy watching a 2 hour long debate between polar opposites completely devoid of ad hominem lobbing, and only a handful of moments of voice elevation and head shaking. Perhaps these two could conduct debate classes for would be and current politicians alike…🤔🤷🏾‍♂️

@Thoughtful_Balance 28 күн бұрын

I respect you BOTH for having this conversation. Complex topics should require deep thought on the matter. The foundation should be respectful and objectively analytical thought and the ability to express those thoughts. These talks need to be had so that we can be better. Thank you BOTH.

@randydiaz1880 19 күн бұрын

Great debate would love to see a series of just you guys

@kjuddy4522 Ай бұрын

All this conversation proved is you two should have 1,000 more. You both welcome disagreement and can overcome the generational gap. When’s the next episode…

@thorinhannahs4614 Ай бұрын

Most debates would benefit from multiple rounds of long form discussion. Unless your intent is to "win." Often times a chunk of the debate is just understanding what the other person is saying.

@TNTspaz Ай бұрын

It's pretty rare to have two people in a room who understand this concept. Hopefully we get more. Took like multiple years to make this convo happen though@@thorinhannahs4614

@tedmonster66 Ай бұрын

What info from "Destiny" was accurate and not liberal talking points?

@redeyesb.dragonite8562 Ай бұрын

@@tedmonster66 So if you're making the claim all his info was incorrect, the onus is on you to provide the evidence, maybe show us something to tell us what was incorrect. Though also something being a talking point doesn't mean the info isn't inaccurate, I especially for talking points from the left, who prefer to actually reference scientists rather than whatever slop comes out of trumps mouth/twitter that morning.

@jonathanh761 Ай бұрын

You had me until you said especially talking points from the left. That is absurd. Both sides routinely speak out their back end with no sources or research to back them up. Watch any politician on the left talk about firearms for an easy example. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's a massive err to think your side is more intellectual than the other side. Both sides have roughly the same proportion of smart intellectuals to dumb follow the narrative types because that distribution exists in the human species. One side doesn't draw more than the other. @@redeyesb.dragonite8562

@SoulsOfWisdom Ай бұрын

"Look, we're running out of time! You're smart! You're sharp!" The highest praise I think Jordan's ever given somebody on the left. lol

@andi8343 Ай бұрын

"the left" lol

@ookook1331 Ай бұрын

He's left but he's not far left, your on some Hasan/vaush shit when you far left@@joesphrobinette8878

@caseymackes8784 Ай бұрын

@andi8343 interesting you put quotations around the left and I agree. Destiny has a very unique leftist take that doesn't quite comport with today's far left progressive take. I tend to disagree with Destiny on a lot of issues but on the flip side so does a lot of the left. I could be wrong but I'm almost positive it was leftists that got him banned on Twitch.

@caseymackes8784 Ай бұрын

@@joesphrobinette8878there's no doubt that he hast strong leftist ideology but I wouldn't consider him as far left as progressives.

@ookook1331 Ай бұрын

@@caseymackes8784 I think even to this day he doesn't know why he was banned, he thinks it has to do with his fight with keffals

@AnnaFelicio-iu6rd 28 күн бұрын

Did not know how much I needed this.

@loveworld5026 10 күн бұрын

I see Jordan still shouts when he is faced with facts against his word salad. The more I listen to him..the more I identify an intellectual weasel.

@dustinildefonso8160 Ай бұрын

This was probably the best "debate" conversation between these kind of people in a while

@habitat2990 Ай бұрын

I agree it was one of the best debates and the emotional hubris that represents the left Lost again!

@OhWellWhatTheHell1 Ай бұрын

@@habitat2990 Dude, I feel like we were watching two different debates lmao. Destiny was doing his usual thing of rapid-firing facts and opinions, Peterson was hyper emotional, esp when they got to the climate change and vaccine stuff.

@spacecoyote55 Ай бұрын

@@OhWellWhatTheHell1There was crazy emotion flowing from them both of them- they just show it so differently. It was very interesting to watch!

@unspoken7704 Ай бұрын

@@OhWellWhatTheHell1 I don't know how many Russian bots are on this thread. Didn't Jordan Peterson go to Moscow for "detox"?

@lucasglowacki4683 Ай бұрын

Yeah! I miss debates. KZfaq was full of them 6-7 years back!

@czechrebel 3 күн бұрын

I love how JP rambles for fuckin 10 minutes only to interject 10 seconds into Destiny’s rebuttals. And you KNOW he is the one who edited all those camera angles in during his infinite interjections, to make him appear more firey, lollll. Nice blazer btw, definitely doesn’t scream for his need for attention. “I’m old but still hip”

@Harry-tm3ck 3 күн бұрын

What

@lor3608 Күн бұрын

@@Harry-tm3ck The comment used normal english words, I understood him perfectly.

@Harry-tm3ck Күн бұрын

@@lor3608 what

@RobertEgbers Ай бұрын

Incredible discussion. When can we get a round 2?

@arnavrawat9864 Ай бұрын

Get this to the top

@zlkanglwrth2776 Ай бұрын

Why? To get more: Peterson: here is hard data Destiny: yeah but I feel like.... ?

@Kirito_2016 Ай бұрын

@@zlkanglwrth2776 Peterson did this just as much as Destiny

@RobertEgbers Ай бұрын

@@Kirito_2016 absolutely. And his attempt to be full-on anti-vaxxxxer was cringe. Starts with some vaccines might be safe. Then they are safe, but just too many at once. Then it’s just the mRNA that scientifically bad. Then it’s just distrust because of coercion, but the vaccines themselves weren’t the problem.

@hargre77 Ай бұрын

It wasn't that MRNA is/was bad, just that it wasn't tested enough

@jean-michelbranchaud9663 Ай бұрын

Omg what a great discussion! Jordan's a beast! And destiny is good at his argument, but I can't lean left Im center

@IAMSEYMOURMUSIC Ай бұрын

Good stuff. We gotta keep talking

@d.falcao9448 Ай бұрын

Dear Dr Jordan Peterson - I hope you invite Steve again! I found this to be one of the best conversations because he was challenging you a lot, but respectfully! It was amazing to see a more left person enganging with you in a respectful and disagreable manner, without resorting to insults or just attacking you with dishonest and bad faith arguments. Your talks are very interesting, no doubt, but seeing someone pushing you more on your ideas was super entertaining. Sometimes it feels certain guests or interviewers don't challenge you as much as Steve did - and because they dont challenge that much, your talking points become slightly repetitive and are not explored more deeply. This was awesome!

@khallingstad Ай бұрын

I 100% agree

@pabloincell35 Ай бұрын

Bring actual covid data because 90% of what he said about covid was incorrect

@theresefournier3269 Ай бұрын

@@pabloincell35You're generous ❤

@theresefournier3269 Ай бұрын

90% of my comments... just... disappear. Even HERE ❤

@EtriaHarper Ай бұрын

@@pabloincell35it would be great for you to provide the information instead the like “just Google it bro” approach, if you have any interest in actually swaying anyone as opposed to just shouting into the void here. But ey that’s probably exactly what I’m doing now lol

@cheyrav5194 Ай бұрын

Mr Cincinatti was super respectful in this conversation, great talk.

@VarnoSlimm Ай бұрын

Mr Martelli

@marthaimmer5675 Ай бұрын

I spit out my coffee at this comment; I regret that I only have one like to give

@ryzikx Ай бұрын

Mr Spaghetti

@aries8910 Ай бұрын

Imagine being a jp viewer and seeing all these dgg comments lol

@SJSharkByte Ай бұрын

@@aries8910the psyop is in full effect dggL

@DjBigBoss11 29 күн бұрын

this was such a good debate ! i usualy dont agree with destiny. but he had such a good debate with jordan peterson. i like how jordan was also getting completely into the debate

@anthonyhatzel5296 4 күн бұрын

This was great- I respect both for their thoughtfulness

@mirandashuwera3389 Ай бұрын

This needed to be 3x longer! IMO. It was extremely satisfying to see this conversation happen. Thank you to both Dr Peterson and Destiny. ❤

@joesecord3066 Ай бұрын

Thank God it wasn't. Peterson really just talks a lot and could benefit from becoming more concise. Maybe you are a Peterson fan, and it wasn't as noticeable, but coming from Destiny's audience, it made many parts tough to listen to

@brockfg Ай бұрын

@joesecord3066 i am a regular destiny viewer and i generally disagree with you. The only times i feel like jordan needs to speed it up is when it is religious, due to my lack of interest.

@zephaniahnoahmusic Ай бұрын

IKR! Now I want Daily Wire+

@Lucabran9093 Ай бұрын

@@joesecord3066I really enjoyed Peterson. Although he got a little heated, it was coool to see him actually argue against destiny on shit that conservatives run away from when on destiny’s stream. Really really enjoyable.

@lumpyrex007 Ай бұрын

@@joesecord3066 Destiny viewer here. I enjoyed. Acting like destiny fans are used to higher discussion is a joke. This is core destiny.

@WTHFX Ай бұрын

This was actually one of the most interesting and dynamic debates either of the participants have engaged in quite some time. Kudos to both Dr. Peterson and Destiny for both giving as good as they got.

@SubvertTheState Ай бұрын

Right? I did not expect this level of conversation between a blue haired gamer and an exiled Psychology Professor.

@mikesmith9501 Ай бұрын

Exiled? You mean thrown out of the Canadian Cult? Because that's exactly what happened.@@SubvertTheState

@ec9313 Ай бұрын

this was amazing

@GiltleyRage Ай бұрын

It's a gem amongst the debates, I hope it will go viral.

@subOceanofoilfilm Ай бұрын

I think "thrown out" and exiled can mean the same thing lol@@mikesmith9501

@skEEdesKah 14 күн бұрын

Jordan Peterson doesnt sound like hes researched anything at all when it comes to his debate with Destiny on the topic of Climate change and solutions. It seems like he's just trying to counter points without providing any of his own, fleshed out opinions that are based on facts. Gotta give Destiny the W.

@jomoarmstrong4397 11 күн бұрын

It's crazy that you think this and shows the education system failing us.

@TRDFanatic 11 күн бұрын

Obviously you know nothing of Dr. Peterson’s depth of knowledge on the topic. Did you hear how fundamental he brought “the climate debate”? Future alive people worth present dead people?!?! What debate did you watch? Obviously not this one…….

@rokoi3 3 күн бұрын

@@TRDFanatic enjoy watching your great grandchildren from heaven, at war with millions of refugees fleeing flooded coastal cities, and fighting for what little grain survives the droughts and extreme weather

@OliThaTwist 20 күн бұрын

This was an outstanding debate between two people operating with decorum and good faith. That said.....Destiny absolutely nailed Peterson on almost every point of fundamental disagreement.

@spacemanjet 13 күн бұрын

@MilitaryDog. 11 күн бұрын

I wish. Sadly Peterson simply has the better and more logical argument on every point. I wanted Destiny to come with some better arguments than what the left usually uses but he didn’t and Peterson used the same old talking points of the right and Destiny had no chance. Either way, the left and the right are both wrong and they’re both one sided. The real answer is in the nuance. Things that neither side brings up.

@michaelh878 3 күн бұрын

It wasn't a debate. It was an interview which included some disagreements.

@TheZeplinfan Күн бұрын

hardly

@jihra Ай бұрын

Thank you for having Destiny on.

@aplaceforthelonely Ай бұрын

It's true you had presence

@jacobwaddell6075 Ай бұрын

Facts. Big fan of him and JP.

@kevinross6235 Ай бұрын

Maybe it's just me, but I really like how animated both of them are in this conversation

@pinto_8261 Ай бұрын

@@Noname-lw6hpbrother what lol

@andy2012ization Ай бұрын

@@Noname-lw6hp that sounds like projecting your anxiety

@maxsmith8196 Ай бұрын

@@Noname-lw6hpIt feels more like destiny is being careful not to be too confrontational, to not shut down the conversation

@Osvath97 Ай бұрын

Yes, (except for at certain micro-points), the animation felt passionate and sincere rather than an explosion of hostility.

@primedcg Ай бұрын

how many top comments can you have in one thread

@ThePurplemaneater Күн бұрын

Interesting how Peterson says they were here to debate in good faith when he spent a large portion of the interview arguing against "the left" instead of arguing against Destiny. How much more bad faith can you get to project other people's beliefs on a person who is right in front of you telling you what they think instead of addressing their points?

@davidgiroux4488 27 күн бұрын

Doesnt matters which side your on. Great debate! 😃 Please more like that

@bryanjerome8534 Ай бұрын

I wish the left and right could have more respectful yet passionate debates like this.

@dionysian222 Ай бұрын

The problem is there’s money to be made and a cult of personality to be built by polarizing.

@AdmiringObserverR Ай бұрын

Each side has people of different levels of intellect, discussion and argument skillsets, and varying motivations. I enjoy when these people get matched up and talk are the best things to listen to.

@personface108 Ай бұрын

Jordan, while not arguing in good faith, is at the bare minimum being respectful to destiny. Every argument I've ever been in with a conservative has devolved into ad hominem attacks, mistaking feelings for facts, or putting up a literal wall between them and simply opening a dictionary or googling a concept they don't understand. I too would love for more discussions like this but Trumps own personal unscrupulous and disrespectful behavior is inspiring the right to act likewise

@thepoeticbutcher3370 Ай бұрын

@@personface108…..that’s exactly what Liberals do. Call names(Nazis is the go to) Big thing is that you can’t critique any other race, because that’s….. .

@thepoeticbutcher3370 Ай бұрын

@@personface108 ….. I was reading your obviously false words & wondering when the TDS would come into play.. You nailed it🫡