That's not a problem, it's a favor

@@rotaryenginepete -- to legacy auto.

@@gnoxycat and people who actually care about the environment

Exactly. There is no back end profit with EVs because they don't need the same level of repair and maintenance as ICE vehicle do. Dealerships make virtually all their money on repairs and service, not on selling new cars and trucks.

@@mikedx2706 IDK about that. I know it's theoretically true but a lot of people I know have had a small mint in warranty repairs

Eh, people say that then give their money to online ordering where they are getting hit with record high markups from the factory because there isn't a dealer network to play off of. I hate stealerships for a reason but it just takes a bit of negotiating and willingness to walk down the street to the next guy to actually get a good price. Save up for your next car with a solid investment vehicle instead of paying interest or lease payments so you have a chance to make a strong cash offer. An hour or so of work negotiating will save you thousands. This and dealer websites have manager specials, or you can just email a manager with offers. Nothing pisses off the sales staff more than walking in and just needing to sign the papers. The only car you should get with a car note is your first one. For me it was my second, after I finished paying that one off I just took the cash I would otherwise had spent on a car every month and saved it in an online high interest account, or high dividend index following ETF (I do a combo of both now), so it is essentially a reverse car loan, where the bank (and market) is paying me to use my money instead of the other way around. You will be surprised how liberating it is to sign over a check instead of a bunch of lease/loan paperwork, also the finance department takes it like a dagger! Never mention paying for the car in full with cash until the price is set, just use the cash to claim a large down payment then in the end say you will just write a check for the car, I made that mistake, once! Then use all the thousands you saved to invest in the next car or treat yourself to a nice vacation or something. It's not all that hard really, just a skill to develop.

@@anydaynow01 Dealing with Tesla was great. $250.00 deposit held the car. Final price delivery charge air tax and taxes all laid out in a simple text message. Model Y like all tesla's have three or four options, the cars are very spartan. No up-selling, no pressure, all online there is no wheeling and dealing.

I enjoy going to the gas station. I love the smell of gasoline, and buying drinks.

@@1FiftyOverland ironically gas is also cheaper than dcfc rates

​@@rotaryenginepetedepends where. And yea, we've been aggressively bringing down the price of gas lately as much as possible. But that is why most ev charging happens off a slow charger. Cars spend 95%+ of their lives parked. If that's not at home, it could be near a wall outlet at work or in a parking lot - might even be free. Beyond that, we need more level 2 charging in the US than more fast chargers. They would fit great in work parking lots, malls, and apartment complexes all over the country.

@@Cyrribrae according to the EIA the US national average price of gas went above $3/gal in 2021 and over the last year it has been going up...not down. Also, who's "we" lol?

@@rotaryenginepete Depends... in CA, with both high gas AND electric/DCFC rates, EV home/worst supercharging is still 10-15c/mi (34-50c/kwh), vs gas 15-32c/mi (30-17mpg, $4.50-5.50/gal.) My roadtrips have been 30-50% cheaper than gas, and much more enjoyable... and my home charging is FREE as I have paid-off rooftop solar. Other states may vary dep on gas/charger prices, and non-Tesla DCFC

She declined to answer a few questions because they were not related to her specific area of research. She does not have a broad view of all the stats on EVs

She was great to work with at FCA!

I drove one for years and went back to ICE. I look for utility in a vehicle, not tranquility.

You can never go back. The sound of an engine is quaint, but its not the sound of performance, or efficacy.

@@rotaryenginepete You must have put playing cars on your bicycle wheels to make noise because mommy didn't give you enough attention.

@@gnoxycat cope harder

@@gnoxycat over 25% of EV drivers go back to ICE, that's a proven fact in multiple studies

And no talk of FSD. Tesla dominates.

There's no need to compete on the government titty

No need to compete when your business thrives on govt welfare

@@rotaryenginepete Those oil subsides have been flowing for 100 years, $Trillions, and will never stop.

@@gnoxycat I'm not sure you comprehend the term subsidy. The OEM's pay carbon credits, tax credits to EV companies, on top of the gov't EV sales and manufacturing subsidies.

BINGO! If they wanted to sell a lot of EV"s they would have launched affordable BYD busters ASAP...

I’ve been saying that for years to anybody who would listen. The whole model that legacy USA OEMs use, outsourcing, distributed computing, dealerships etc make emulating Tesla impossible. Too many people on that gravy train who have an interest in making EVs fail. However, the Chinese don’t have a century of entrenched bureaucracy to deal with. If allowed to enter the US market they will finish off what the Japanese started.

100% spot on! I have been making videos on my KZfaq channel discussing this. They have zero interest in selling EVs.

Agree with all of that, plus OEMs started by converting ICE platforms (compromised results), looked to sell very expensive cars (to hide their elevated manufacturing costs) and looked to fleece their customers by watching dealers shaft buyers at every opportunity. The electrification of transport is unstoppable, ICE vehicles pollute the air we breath and is based on depleting resources that will cost more and more while EVs are dependent on primary energy that’s a technology and that’s all coming down in price as innovation persists. I’ve owned 19 BMWs and the one was a V8 740 sport. I loved it, but we all need to move on. I now own an i3S for £16k and love it. My daughter is about to buy 2021 Audi Etron 55 for £25k. Depreciation is the savvy buyers friend. Goodbye ICE, long live EVs

@@fwc3535 Yep exactly, as long as they have the UAW the Big two will never be able to compete in getting the best profit margin. Their biggest loss with the UAW negotiations is when the union got its tendrils into the battery and EV factories with "minimum labor requirements". Optimus will make the ultimate scab, it may not happen next year or even by the end of the decade, but eventually they are out of a job, AI and robotics are just too good. There are entire auto factories in China where a skeleton crew of humans are just involved in unloading raw materials, robot maintenance, and again in the quality control inspections AI can't do, yet.

that would be awesome. people actually do still buy carbs by the millions every year

@@rotaryenginepete if you are counting push mowers sure but definitely not carbs for cars sell in the millions. I can convert my 95 f150 back to carb as the engine design originally dates back to the late 60s but almost no one would ever do that

If Gary ran the Auto industry we would still be driving Ford Model T's..

2016 110k miles, didn't do any oil changes, and didn't lose my warranty. Replaced a Lexus LS hybrid and a 911 GT3. Its better on long trips and better in the canyons. They showed me how to put the car in Ludicrous mode, it has not left it since. In the past 8 years, nothing, not even a motorcycle has taken me off the line that makes struggling noises when they pull up to me.

If you have free supercharging why would you do 95% of charging at home?

@@rjbiker66 cause it’s better for my battery to charge at home and I have solar panels so I don’t really pay to charge a home either

Stephen King still drives his ‘13 - to Sarasota from Maine❤

@@rjbiker66 if you can get free ketchup packets from McDonalds why would you go to the grocery store and buy a bottle. You never considered how convenient it is to a full "tank" every morning?

Look for Tesla so start producing a

We will see what it really brings when it actually gets here! No AWD is a big negative for it already!

I drove an EV for several years, but now I'm back to ICE again. In some cases EV are nice, but in most cases they just aren't worth all the extra hassles.

​@@rotaryenginepeteextra hassles like what? Did you not do 90%+ of your charging at home? Anyway, I think OP has it right. My sweet spot is 250 miles in 15 minutes, which I think is a little further away. Any faster than that, and I'm staying to use the bathroom and stretch and eat a meal anyway. Regardless, if you're doing a lot of road tripping, speed of charging is just so much more relevant than total range. And we're setting the limits of that continously get nudged upwards. We'll see if we can break through the glass in the next couple of years that really upends the model.

Imagine you could get 400 miles in 3 minutes, anywhere, anytime, any weather, any speed, and that will not degrade over time. Then you could stop for 30 minutes anywhere and anytime you wanted, and it's not going to be to hang out at the back of a crappy parking lot. We already have this, why go backwards?

@@Cyrribrae I did 99% of my charging at home.

@@Cyrribrae hassles like losing half my range in the winter, or the lack of a meaningful heater and having to physically de-ice the whole vehicle on a daily basis, or having to plug in daily, or how about the studies that show EV's have 80% more reliability problems than gas cars and not to mention the huge fire risk and higher insurance rates than gas cars.

That’s the funniest comment ever he is definitely on the Oil companies, Payroll

Correct. The Supercharger system cost was folded into the sales price of Tesla EVs. Other brands will get charged more because they haven't contributed.

@@bobwallace9753 Yes, although like other DCFC providers, non-Tesla EVs can pay like $13/mo membership subscription and get same Tesla discounted price at superchargers. EA/EVGo prices are higher than Tesla for other EVs anyway, but they also offer discount monthly subs

Bingo,. Details matter.

@@jed2049 And Tesla will expand congested charger sites. That's the plan.

CT will outsell R1T and F150 lightning COMBINED. In fact, i think for one month, it already has.(and you can throw in Silerado EV as weill)

@@jed2049 Once production is at full speed yes I agree. It might be FUGLY but who cares, it's unique in a world of blobby blandness... And I'd still buy one!

@@stickynorth Cybertruck already has had a 1,000 unit week. "Ford sold 24,165 F-150 Lightning trucks in the United States in 2023," Tesla is pumping out CTs at about 2x that of Lightnings already.

In LA I lived in an apartment for a couple of years only charging on 110v every night. It was fine.

And journalists lie about them to get clicks

As often as they want in a gas car. I don't generally plan a trip around anything other than the destination, but if I really want to make 45 minute stops along the way- they'd be at interesting places I want to visit, not hanging around the back of parking lots.

That was a dumb argument, I do day trips (10-12hrs) in my EV whenever I feel like it. Its relaxing and I would not trade it for an ICE car even if it was a Rolls.

@@gnoxycat most likely never drove one or will say you did. I’ve owned plenty of gas cars in my life, not one of them would bring me back to gas after driving EV’s. Not 1.

@@gnoxycat now we all know you're lying. you didn't do the math on that 😂😂😂

@@gnoxycat if you drive your "day trips" at 55mph, where can we get a 660 mile range EV? 😂😂😂

There are profitable EV companies. The radio guy is living 10 years in the past and is woefully uninformed.

@@BTC_Minarchist THANK YOU! Too many guests on here are from the pre-Vietnam War era and talk down about what consumers want yet don't represent even close to have the demographic market... This show is overwhelmingly the voice of old, white insiders in a city whose importance has dimmed SIGNIFICANTLY in 20 much less 60 years... Also why American democracy is dying... Choked by the gerontocracy... Nancy Pelosi vs AOC is a good example of most inter-generational flippancy that goes unchecked...

@@stickynorth I am not a young guy, and I have friends that are retired and older. Some are anti EV and don't get it. I ask them how many more cars they will buy in their lifetime. Usually, the answer is usually between 0 and 2. That's why it's a waste of time, focus and money to target the older generation for EV sales. There will be some tech savvy older folks that will purchase and get it, like John. The rest are like Gary. The younger generations are the future sales of EVs. Old folks are good target consumers for the Robotaxi and autonomous mobility services, because it will give them freedom they'd otherwise lose when they're too old to drive safely.

@@BTC_Minarchist turning a profit from government subsidies and carbon tax credits diverted from ICE manufacturers does not make an EV company profitable. Nice try though.

@@rotaryenginepete Oil subsidies need to stop and we need to add a $0.25 / gallon tax, yearly, for the next 100 years.

Do you realize that only a week ago Elon fired the entire Supercharging division from Tesla? 🤣

@@rotaryenginepete Then handed the Supercharger duties over to the megapack division to replace all V1 and V2 superchargers to V4. Imagine that. The best auto executive doing things right.

@@gnoxycat 😂😂😂

@@gnoxycat if he was "doing things right" then he would have never needed to fire a whole division of his company

​@@rotaryenginepetehe didn't fire the manufacturing team He got rid kf the global growth team focused on places like Kazakhstan and south Korea

This!

you could always carry a gas generator in your trunk 😂

@@rotaryenginepete I had range anxiety every week when I owned gas cars. Will it be more or less if I fill up tomorrow vs today? I have time now but maybe not later? Is the quality of the gas at the cheap station the same as the other one? Now, those problems, are for those people, and their miserable lives.

@@gnoxycat something tells us you have a lot of anxiety regardless of what you are driving 😂😂😂

Exactly. The only game in town is Tesla, and they tell their car owners online where the next charging station is located.

There are several models that would allow you to do it!

You should have bought a RAV4 Prime instead of the Jeep. All the transitions in mine are smooth as butter.

I did not know this was true until I saw your comment and googled. You’re right. 2/3 of the safest cars tested by EuroNCAP last year were Chinese.

Proctologists have job security: Earth will never run out of assholes❤

Driven hard, tossed away wet... as it were!

Way more people get brain cancer from living near powerlines

you nailed it.

GM has the best EVs.

development of the Bolt started long before Mary became CEO and Tesla was selling a 300 mile BEV

@@thedukeofmanville GM has the worst EV's. The Hummer is SUPER inefficient, and the Bolt was catching on fire randomly in people's garages. They have a decade of work to do to catch up to Tesla.

@@rotaryenginepete The Bolt was first sold in 2016-ish. It wasn't 300 miles. The Tesla Model 3 was first sold in 2017, it was 300 miles (and the Model S before it, in 2017, was also 300 miles).

except EV's aren't a new tech. Thomas Edison built and drove EV's. They have been around since the mid-1800's. Mainstream adoption requires greater practicality and utility than the product being replaced, an advantage that EV's will inherently never have due to the laws of physics and chemistry.

@@rotaryenginepete, combustion engines are held hostage by Carnot efficiency. Thermal engines have had their day but are being displaced across the economy.

@@johnleeinslc if that was true then combustion engines would have never taken off. The truth is that it's not the engine efficiency that determines practicality, but the energy density of the fuel. Batteries are capped at 1/40th the density of liquid fuels like gas, diesel, hydrogen, or even carbon neutral synthetic fuels.

@@rotaryenginepete ICE sales peaked in the u.s in 2017 during a growing economy at that and when there where still 80 mile evs for sale. Fast forward the lowest range you can get now is 200 miles for the same price as the older 80 mile EVs. In 2025 the first 300 mile evs under $40k are entering the market.

He SAID, “I don’t know.” Of course, at the dealership, salesMEN NEVER lie😂

Every morning you wake up, you have a full tank. That is more convenient. Long trips are more relaxing and I would not trade an ICE Rolls for an EV.

@@gnoxycat long trips in an EV 😂😂😂

Worst. Branding. Ever. Seriously they are unpronounceable... Even if they just went with E-Series 001 it would be cooler than this dreck name!

If Toyota had any interest in BEV they would have moved the Prius brand over to EVs somehow.

That is changing now! Slow roll outs are the best solution for a successful brand!

1/4 ✅

You should be doing oil changes. Lol

You should change your oil even if the engine hasn't ran. I change the oil on my log slitter every year even tho it has a fraction of the hours that it is recommended to change

You must have nitrogen filled tires 😂😂

@@user-ew6jy9mo4r 110k miles, zero oil changes, never lost my warranty. PHEVs are nonsense, buy an EV.

Follow the recommendations in the owners manual. Is that so hard?!

GM is bringing back the bolt in spring next year with a LFP battery and faster charging that will be cheaper than the Equinox

Just 48 more months to go…

Plenty of RS models to choose from! The SS model is coming out a little later!

if you drive less than 5k a year that likely means all charging is done at home and a used EV would be a better choice

@@JD-yx7be Only if your paid-off vehicle stops working. A paid off ICE is the more economic choice for retired people and people who don't need to buy new things. Once used car lots fill with more EVs, this decision will be easier in the consumer space. Remember 60% or more live paycheck to paycheck and honestly should not even consider new cars. And I know a few people who make $200k a year and live paycheck to paycheck due to car payments and all that.

"my TESLA on a road trip tells me where to charge how many chargers how many use average wait time how long it’s gonna take to get me to 80%" Sorry to hear that. My car doesn't tell me where I have to go, I tell it where I want to go. I never have to wait, I pull right in and I get 400 miles in 3 minutes, any weather, any speed, and that will never degrade.

Nothing better than oil burners.

Yeah I had an EV and went back to ICE. You will eventually get it

@@rotaryenginepete I disagree. Haven’t gone back. But I’d rather not support oil that cause wars where possible.

@@krafter324 as if strip mining, child labor, and an oil powered electrical grid are somehow morally better? you do realize the range of products that are made from oil include plastics, tires, and paint?

@@rotaryenginepete sure do! So minimizing it isn’t better? And prob the laptop or phone batteries you’re using right now too.

Elon Musk agrees with you - 100%!

You get in incentives for ice vehicle! The government subsidizes oil companies over $10 billion dollars a year to keep fuel prices low! If they didn't, we would be paying $7-$9 a gallon!

The only places with long lines of EVs is on dealer lots

@@rotaryenginepete sure thing buddy. That’s why the Model Y is the best selling car in the world. And no dealership necessary. 🤦🏽‍♂️

@@richardfolden3860 the devil is in the details. Nobody buys cars anymore, so it would not be difficult for a car company to take that title. Most people buy SUV's, crossovers, vans, and trucks.

Also, Tesla has hundreds of overflow lots full of cars that nobody wants.

@@rotaryenginepete lol, do the sugar plum fairies tell you that? What section of candyland are those lots in?

Who is trying to make their cars look like Tesla? Tesla cars need a massive overhaul or big price drops. The gravy train is over now that consumers have more EV options with traditional styling unlike Tesla's cost leader budget car strategy.

Kia is and GM's equinox just went on sale Q3 and Q4 should see significant growth for them

@@JD-yx7be the sales may draw some in. Especially people looking to trade out of their first Tesla.

what is the percent of total fleet that is exploding?