STUCK: Our fifth wheel is NOT safe to use
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Liz interviews a couple whose Grand Design toyhauler is unsafe to use.
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@Sean2002FU 3 ай бұрын
Liz, Thank you for your videos...... After watching them I've made my decision...With my residential construction / automotive background, and my current job as an industrial mechanic, electronics tech.....I'm building my own RV. From the ground up. Thanks Again!
@JOHNDANIEL1 2 ай бұрын
I designed a RV due to my 20+ years repairing them that would solve 90% of the issues you show. It didn't take my engineering degree to figure it out, only common sense. Even though my methods would save the RV industry millions, they are so corrupt they can't even consider it.
@mysticjedi6730 Ай бұрын
Don't ever buy rv. Cargo trailer and build it out..
@roost3r 3 ай бұрын
"I reached to the head of customer relations at Winnebago, which owns Grand Design, plus my contacts at Grand Design customer service. So far the response I've gotten from them is a hard NO." That's all I needed to hear when it comes to who NOT to do business with. Keep up the OUTSTANDING work, Liz. Keep bringing the truth and eventually the market will implode on these businesses with abhorrent customer service and products.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! I've worked with a lot of other RV mfrs, as you know, and this is the first time I've gotten a response like this. Now that the video is out I am hoping they change their stance. Thanks for watching and I will keep you posted.
@Technocrat. 3 ай бұрын
No wonder Grand Design is crap, crap making crap.Blind leading the blind.
@darcymoon2109 3 ай бұрын
All these stories, Grand Design would do better just fixing these.
@kcgunesq 3 ай бұрын
I've been researching RV's for a year or so now. I can guarantee you that I wouldn't give a nickle to any Winnebago affiliated company if this is the way they treat customers.
@bubbatim2009 3 ай бұрын
Hey Liz. WOW, I have a Grand Design and have not had any issues with the frame flexing (knock on wood) but I will keep a lookout for problems. I have some advice for Grand Design and Lippor. You need to nip this in the bud NOW. I forsee a class action and a host of BAD press coming your way. You can be proactive or reactive gentelmen, which do you think is good for your company? Safe travels and keep up the pressure...
@markgrehlinger7117 3 ай бұрын
We full-timed. But now when I see rigs going down the road, I shudder every time I see them. I'm just shocked how long it's taking for this to go into a class action suit - Lippert and Grand design need to be held accountable!
@winstonrocco1981 2 ай бұрын
Only thing is Lipert is building what grand design ordered
@chevydude658 3 ай бұрын
Liz you have really saved me from making HORRIBLE mistakes with bad uninformed choices. Thank God there’s somebody speaking up for those of us that are buying these units!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, I sure appreciate your support!
@frankenstein70 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. It just isnt right that many RV makers are selling product with defects, and not standing behind their crappy made RV's. Especially when steel frames are breaking in half. There should be a law to protect the consumers. If I spent over 100K and the frame broke, and the maker of that RV refused to fix it, I would hire a good lawyer. Plus who ever else would go after them.
@plumber1227128 Ай бұрын
Just wait for the technician to get off of work and follow home. Buy him/her a 12 pack and ask all the questions you like with no intervention from management. There I fixed it for ya 👍
@LasVegas68 2 ай бұрын
A guy I worked with retired and wanted a RV to be his home. That guy read and watched hundreds of hours of RV videos. He even went to Elkhart Indiana to where a lot of RV's are built. He told me that the materials and quality of workmanship on RV's was a joke.
@Cooler_Journeys 2 ай бұрын
So true!
@danielrn133 2 ай бұрын
"a guy". Well then it must be true.
@sk-un5jq Ай бұрын
RVs are underbuilt and not road-worthy in general. They're only engineered to remain stationary.
@firetrain3 3 ай бұрын
Everyone needs to get in touch with their state representatives and push for rv lemon laws that will hold all rv brands accountable for the junk they produce and push on unsuspecting buyers. This is the only way to force manufacturers to build to a standard and improve quality control.
@whereyougoiwillgorving4492 3 ай бұрын
The RV manufacturers have already bought most of the state legislatures !
@oldbiker57 3 ай бұрын
Some people don't want the government involved, until they have a problem?
@danyceroppe463 3 ай бұрын
Yes!!
@minnesotafolk8722 3 ай бұрын
Great idea
@kechkaren 3 ай бұрын
The audacity of Grand Design or Winnebago to say they won’t fix it !!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
I know it. I will keep pushing and hopefully that will change. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
@frankenstein70 3 ай бұрын
Hell, just JB WELD those cracks. RV plants can't do any better.
@kathykeene2092 3 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I thought. I think Grand Design went DOWN HILL when Winnebago bought them out.
@russellstewart5414 3 ай бұрын
If those photos are of a 3 year old unit then clearly they know what the actual issue is. There should not be rust on a relatively new unit. As far as shoddy welding, you gets what you pay for. As using cheaper steel may also contribute to weld penetration and over longevity of the frame. Class action lawsuits may be in your future
@minnesotafolk8722 3 ай бұрын
Sadly no one is grateful for your purchase anymore regardless of the cost. Its like retailers seem to think they are the ones doing us a favor 🤔
@kidynamite58 3 ай бұрын
This guy hit the nail on the head, how did Honda, Toyota, Datsun, Volkswagen, et al get their foot in the door? The crap that was coming out of Detroit is how. The very same thing could easily happen in the RV industry, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Indeed. Let's hope it happens to get them to straighten up. Thanks for watching
@njcanuck 3 ай бұрын
Nice idea but how much foreign competition is in the RV market? Looks almost non-existent to me.
@greggv8 3 ай бұрын
@@LizAmazing Idaho would be a great location for a quality RV trailer frame manufacturer to start business. This State used to have some well known brands of RVs made here. Dunno how or why the industry has concentrated in Elkhart Indiana. Cheap Amish labor?
@sparkdog44 2 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@richardmartink679 2 ай бұрын
@@njcanuck that is the problem! No other place has these crazy large RVs already. No competition and they buy each other out.
@kathykeene2092 3 ай бұрын
This couple seem reasonable and are able articulate the issues very well. Shame on Grand Design (aka: Winnebago). I own a Grand Design, 2016, and no problems BUT NOW I AM SO EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED AND EMBARRASSED IN GRAND DESIGN. Shame on Lippert for sending out their RV frames that are unsafe! I think Grand Design needs to hire a flatbed truck and pick up this Momentum and take it to Indiana and FIX IT. GRAND DESIGN, WHERE IS YOUR INTEGRITY?
@stevenjefferys10 3 ай бұрын
I agree that GD needs to take this rig back, but logistically it's not possible to put a big toy hauler like that on a flat bed due to bridge height restrictions. GD should just buy out this couple and then scrap the rig in place.
@thomaswilson8634 3 ай бұрын
Im not defending lippert. But they build frames to the customer specs.
@larachamberlin12 3 ай бұрын
I agree that Lippert should bare some responsibility. I personally would not make frames that anyone designs that are not holding up to the weight and construction
@janetswope5695 Ай бұрын
I’m so so disappointed in hearing this. We just bought a 2024 Grand Design last November. In our research and shopping we eliminated one manufacturer at a time…and landed with only Grand Design left. When we have worked our whole careers as teachers, we are not wealthy people and spending this kind of money on an RV is MASSIVE for us. We have a Reflection 337 RLS and have only had it out twice so far. I hope we don’t have to become unpleasant to get things done with the minor things we are already seeing…oven not working…and leaky seal in the bedroom slide. So far Grand Design has told us they absolutely will replace the seal and do whatever needs to happen to get the oven working. Crossed fingers that our dealer will have our backs. Best of luck with your Momentum…
@thomaswilson8634 Ай бұрын
@janetswope5695 Janet it's a major problem study up on it as much as possible. It has affected other manufacturers in the luxury fifthwheel market and in the cheap pull behinds too. I will pull mine with my Kenworth t680 . I will also keep it as light as possible. I've noticed a majority of the ones on you tube had full-time heavily loaded trls. My 2 cent worth. Road conditions also play (as a retired 4 million mile trucker opinion) a major factor also. Slow down on bridges with rough on an off where thr trl bounces. That's major flex right there. I'm in same boat as yall just use common sense and maybe we get through this.
@jameshudson7752 3 ай бұрын
The best day we had with our RV was when we sold it. It’s not just DG. It’s a lot of manufacturers who just don’t care to dealers who know they’re selling junk! Never again.
@davidwelty9763 3 ай бұрын
Liz, your honest channel has helped me realize that RV life is not for me. Most of these vehicles are junk. I love road trips but I am quite happy staying at hotels along the way. A vacation should be stress free. RV life does not appear to be.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that, David. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLmfaNFjp5yWfXU.html
@user-rr7bv6my4e 3 ай бұрын
So a Van could be an answer for you
@davidwelty9763 3 ай бұрын
@@user-rr7bv6my4e I think one of those Mercedes vans with a rear bathroom would be the closest thing, it when I do the math and consider their upfront cost, MPG, Insurance, storage cost, maintenance, etc. I could take a lot of trips staying nightly in a Hampton Inn before I would even approach the cost of the Mercedes Van.
@user-rr7bv6my4e 3 ай бұрын
@@davidwelty9763 Depends on the year of make. I drive the old ones, 20 years old and not younger. Very reliable
@minimaxmiaandme.4971 3 ай бұрын
@@davidwelty9763 Yup, and you can hop on a plane and travel to different countries.
@vintagebikes4215 3 ай бұрын
Stories like yours have been a major driver of my decision to have nothing to do with RVing. I'm a Pro craftsman and can fix anything, but I won't work with junk. The industry clearly has lost sight of the basic in business...make a quality product, serve your customers, make them happy, keep them happy...that equals repeat business and success as a person and in business.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLmfaNFjp5yWfXU.html
@kathykeene2092 3 ай бұрын
@@LizAmazing 100% true. Don’t buy new. As you know Liz, we bought our Grand Design, Reflection (5th wheel), in 2016 and it’s solid. Sometimes I think about upgrading to a newer RV, and then I come to my senses!
@backtoasimplelife 3 ай бұрын
Nobody has to buy this new junk. There were some manufacturers back in the day who did good work. You have to do your research to find out which ones were good. Those are the ones on our short list. I've researched for years.
@zLigHt44 3 ай бұрын
@@LizAmazingListen to Liz,I bought a 2004 Bounder,gas,35' and it's built nice and strong,13,900 miles on it, just broke in, cheap wallpaper the biggest complaint 😅
@lawman5511 3 ай бұрын
There’s a saying in the auto sales industry. “The last thing you want to do is take one of your customers and make them somebody else’s customer.” And that’s exactly what every dealer and manufacturer in the RV business is doing.
@DrMott 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Liz for advocating for consumers!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for being here!
@donaldlajeunesse1455 3 ай бұрын
This couple should never have to go through this like others have. Your insider with the statement on welding is eye opening. I find it sad that the truckers and auto manufacturers have to jump through hoops to be safe and yet another unit that travels the us highways has no oversight.
@audraschannel1591 3 ай бұрын
Go to big truck big rv for frame plant tour videos and testing that goes into the frames. He has a whole series on it
@tadblankenbaker4587 3 ай бұрын
We have a Grand Design 376TH. 2019. Our driver side wall on the RV sagged due to frame failure. We fixed ourselves. I don’t know why anyone going forward would consider a GD seeing how customer service has handled this major frame issue across so many of their rigs. I never will. Thank you for bringing issues to light. So many are unaware. The 397 across from us had the GD SRT here tacking it together and it’s headed back to factory for frame repair.
@minnesotafolk8722 3 ай бұрын
Bummer! So sorry!
@smirnoff242 3 ай бұрын
I have an 18 376th, before mid year refresh that added the morryde steps. I haven't had any issues aside from leaf springs. What section of the rig had failure? The outriggers in the kitchen area, or up in the living room?
@tadblankenbaker4587 3 ай бұрын
@@smirnoff242 about half way back on the kitchen slide to the mid tire area. The triangle frame gussets are flat aft of the fridge. Those fold and fail. I believe not supported well for washer dryer and pantry weight. This has been an issue on several 376 units. Not all. However the potential is there on all. At least 2019 and earlier for sure.
@smirnoff242 3 ай бұрын
@@tadblankenbaker4587 good to know. Yeah the super wide body with the outriggers doesn't seem like it could support too much weight
@nancyoffenhiser4916 3 ай бұрын
Another thing is that many of these folks are retired and I think manufacturers are thinking "Oh dollar signs so we'll build this thing as cheap as we can to have stockholder returns that are high". In other words, they're taking advantage of people who are retired just for the money.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
It's very short sighted of them to not put customers first. Thanks for watching
@mcooper5929 3 ай бұрын
Thank you.Liz My question to you is. Instead of going to the manufacturer again for answers. What do you think of going to a federal watchdog group or agency or even the Dept of transportation with this video? for sure. As we know these trailers and the bad frames are a danger to the driver and the public being on the road. Think of sharing this video to Pete Buttigieg head of Dept of Transportation
@jos9569 3 ай бұрын
that's a good idea.
@greg1474 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for what you’re doing to help those who feel they have nowhere to turn. God bless. ❤🙏
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
You are so welcome, Greg, glad to be making a difference! Thanks for watching
@farmerjon72 3 ай бұрын
I first heard of this problem back in 2018. A couple friends of mine were fighting with Lippert to fix it way back then. The manufacturer is well aware of this problem and has been for a long time.
@jondonahue7163 3 ай бұрын
Went to the FMCA Convention in Tucson last week. Thousands of RVs from all over. There was a little RV diagnostic company among the vendors in the exhibit hall. They had a line out the door, hundreds of people all day long for four days. All looking to get a report on their RV problem that they could take to their dealer, manufacturer, or mechanic when they got back home. Never seen anything like this at any car, truck, or boat show -- ever. Shocking. As a consumer, I suppose the only way to go at this is to buy used... pre-Covid used. Even better, 2005-2010 used. And even then, given the repeated RV problems with slides and frames, maybe it's best to travel via Amtrak bedrooms, nice old hotels, and rent a car here and there as you go. With today's RV prices, you would save a lot of money just avoiding them altogether.
@danhunt3652 3 ай бұрын
My experience with RV dealers is they don’t stand behind what they sell. / Basically, there is no service after the sale.
@robertpsotka3525 3 ай бұрын
That's because there are a bunch of kids pretending to actually be some sort of technician working at these dealers
@danielrn133 2 ай бұрын
I don't know how one of these things could be built to withstand driving down interstates and random roads. I mean it would be like a house being shaken for 8 hours a day. I agree they are junk, but even built well I don't se how a bouncing house no matter how well built can last.
@mikeroberts4731 3 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work. Your the best voice out there for the RV consumer.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so very much, Mike!
@haroldkatz7996 3 ай бұрын
This is truly sad that a company has been presented, with irrefutable proof, that their product is failing at an alarmingly high rate. I guarantee they have consulted with their lawyers as to how to defend & deflect this issue. They dont want to admit there is a severe safety issue here. If & when somebody dies due to this, they'll most likely file for bankruptcy to avoid paying any judgements. Time will tell.
@michaelcain1870 3 ай бұрын
One thing they really need to do is hire an independent NRVIA certified inspector to inspect their toy hauler BEFORE it goes back to Grand Design. Get everything identified in a written report that they can give to Grand Design.
@Milesco 3 ай бұрын
Apparently it's not going back to Grand Design. They're refusing to take it back to the factory, even just to repair it. G-D is really shooting themselves in the foot.
@juliagregory5696 2 ай бұрын
@@Milesco omg are you sure GD is refusing to repair it that's so bad
3 ай бұрын
This man has remarkable composure, as does his wife!FMVSS needs to get involved with RVs as human safety is at risk. Watched my father survive Korean & Vietnam war and enjoy his Holiday Rambler many years. It is terribly distressing to see the industry overall makes junk now. Saw an older Holiday yesterday while walking. Just stood and admired the solid construction. You two fine people deserved. better! This channel and Wingman do great work helping people! God Bless you All!
@billmikebill 3 ай бұрын
Great video Liz. Keep it going. Inspectors is not the best way to go. Watch other videos. They don’t take apart the rv. They can only see what’s exposed. The big problem here is Indiana attorney general gets a lot of money from the lobbyist. It’s no secret, it’s on KZfaq. Something needs to be done with any trailer that people worked hard to buy. It’s no joke
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
I know. There are no easy answers. And an inspector is not going to be able to take it apart and see the frame problems, unfortunately. Thanks for watching.
@jasoncarter5448 3 ай бұрын
I would recommend people take a look at Northwood Campers (Arctic Fox, Nash, and Outdoors RV). They make their own frames in-house specific to each model and don't have the frame failure issues of the mass produced crap coming out of Indiana. The biggest draw back with them is they are Pacific Northwest based (and hard to find in the Eastern part of the U.S.) and heavier than campers of the same size because they are well-built and well insulated, true 4-season campers.
@joannejohnson7367 3 ай бұрын
We have a Nash and am so grateful. It’s our 4th trailer ~ we are very happy with it.
@cheatoracingteam 2 ай бұрын
Totally agree
@athenasword8312 3 ай бұрын
Great work Liz. The most important part of this video his the communication from your confidential informant at Lippert. I hope you'll do a whole video about that. I think this is much bigger than outrage on KZfaq. This needs to be on 60 Minutes or another high profile media exposure. People's lives are literally at risk. One of these big RVs could literally come apart on the highway endangering many people.
@hippiebits2071 3 ай бұрын
What a lovely down to earth couple. It just blows the mind how these companies are able to continue selling models with serious defects that could pose a threat to human safety. There is no question that a significantly compromised frame presents a dangerous condition. It’s just outrageous given these are huge units intended and approved for interstate travel. If these were automobile frames or even tricycles with a faulty weld on the back step, there would be a stop sale order and recall!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Yes. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I hope this gets resolved soon, for everyone. Thanks for watching
@jameswatts7720 3 ай бұрын
And/or a class action lawsuit that would require the manufacturers to take accountability.
@minnesotafolk8722 3 ай бұрын
They just don't care anymore
@jjjthomasson8902 3 ай бұрын
I’m becoming convinced after watching and listening to these stories, that none of the RV manufacturing companies have mastered the art of building a quality rig today. However, Liz you are a great communicator and spokesperson for rv’ers.
@bseidem5112 3 ай бұрын
The high end motorhomes (we can't afford) do well but all of rigs below $500K use the buyers as beta testers. A great product lawyer in the northwest said, "Do not buy an RV." To those of us without real cash it means buy an older rv that has everything fixed. Since 84' Foretravel has committed to quality first, Texas.
@6denashi608 3 ай бұрын
Liz, good on you for bringing your influence to bear on behalf of the otherwise small voices. Though I don't currently have an RV/camper, I have owned a slide-in camper and a 25-foot travel trailer in the past and have been considering jumping back into the market. Your videos have really given me something to think about, and if we do get another rig, we will only reward the manufacturers and dealers that have shown some integrity over these admittedly difficult covid years. Keep on truckin'!
@jeffsteele1295 3 ай бұрын
Liz , I'm so sorry for these two people and all the problems they are having with there Grand Design motorhome. My wife and I have been thinking of purchasing a motorhome. We have a Class A 40' but she can't drive this large motorhome. We were thinking of a Grand Design because everyone has talked so Great about there product. Well after seeing this video I can say we will have to consider other options. If they will not step up for a new product having a factory defective frame. I know we could never trust there product. If I was treated like them I can honestly say I would be in jail by now. I wish you well and hope you can help resolve this problem for them in some say. Thanks for all you do to help others .
@wolfshurtleff1833 3 ай бұрын
you are indeed amazing, Liz. You are doung a great job with your very professional videos! Hello from your friends Brook & Wolfie
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Hi you two! I hope you are enjoying life, big hugs!
@happycamper1372 3 ай бұрын
Has anyone contacted the Indiana Attorney General? Winnebago’s response is totally unacceptable.
@whereyougoiwillgorving4492 3 ай бұрын
The AG is probably one of the first public offices the RV manufacturers bought off !!!
@happycamper1372 3 ай бұрын
@@whereyougoiwillgorving4492 Todd Rokita seems legit.
@WinePunk 3 ай бұрын
@@whereyougoiwillgorving4492 that wasn’t their question.
@jamesmcdonough2726 3 ай бұрын
The road does lead through Indiana as the RV buyer of most RVs agree on purchase to abide by laws of that state when it comes to warranty work that needs to change and to my knowledge only California is putting pressure on the manufacturer to change this@@WinePunk
@benjurqunov 2 ай бұрын
Why will the AG enjoy special homosexual rights when they won't accept Trump's stand on illegal mexicans ?
@kenty6973 3 ай бұрын
My road trip experiences told me that I should never follow a 5th wheel or stay close by, especially these newer ones. They will blow up, shred into pieces and eventually put other drivers at risk as well. I got stuck on I-5 in Oregon for 5 hours because of that. Both the 5th wheel and the tow truck were in pieces on the FWY. SAD.
@bodhi7945 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for all your help with education about these rolling accidents to be.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
You are so welcome. Yes, there are no doubt many unsafe units on the road. So scary. Thanks for watching.
@tomneverquit8679 3 ай бұрын
thank you Liz for shining the light, rock on young lady!
@rubenalsina 3 ай бұрын
Here is one idea for you. Get all the ones with an issue, organize a caravan to show up at Grand Design service(make it big a long) with banners etc. And call all the media, tv news, and you’ll see how quick they will take action Oh wonder, what happened that you sold your RV and decided to go underground? Did you received any threats ?
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
No threats. I had an RV mfr try to buy me in exchange for not posting a video. That got me thinking that what I am doing is really making an impact. I wasn't concerned at the mfr level, more so on the dealer level. I don't want to worry about some half crazed salesman wanting to slash my tires. I know it was a long shot but I didn't want to wait until it became obvious that I need to be incognito. So now I'm flying under the radar. Thanks for your support, and that's a great idea about the caravan. Stay tuned!
@charleneheiland8803 3 ай бұрын
Am sure the "they ," will steer clear ,cause we know who "they " are and of course you have cameras etc.. 👍🌹😊
@michellefitz4287 3 ай бұрын
@@LizAmazingWow! Thanks for posting all those details. Not sure if you’ve mentioned this level of detail in any recent videos, but please do. We all have so much respect for your work and not being “bought off” from a mfg just makes me respect your integrity and character even more. Please keep doing what you’re doing- we need you out there! - from a full-timer since 2012 and in our 3rd beloved Keystone Alpine 5th wheel made in 2017.
@juliagregory5696 2 ай бұрын
@@LizAmazing dear liz yes me again any time you need to be kept safe and under the radar i can lend you my guard dog fifi she is very very brave all, she isn't aware that she is a chihuahua and a teacup size beast from hell she thinks she is the same size as a horned bull just don't get your lip near hers or she will take it off blessing to you from autralia
@juliagregory5696 2 ай бұрын
oops that should have spelled australia
@Gunner521 3 ай бұрын
Liz, thank you so much for making these videos. Knowing these facts, anyone who buys a grand design at this point with these issues has no one to blame but themselves.
@carrief7342 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Liz, for all your hard work! 🥰
@deborahgarrison4349 3 ай бұрын
I watch eagerly for your videos, and am keeping a diary of brands with specific problems … while trying to be patient on feeling confident I will find the right rig. Thank you for doing the scut work so those of us who want to get out there can understand the risks and rewards. Thanks, Liz! This was a particularly fair video with lots of visuals to support issues.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Good luck in your RV search, Deborah. Definitely consider getting a used unit. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLmfaNFjp5yWfXU.html
@jorgemartinez450 3 ай бұрын
This is unbelievable!! I'm so sorry your going through this
@darrylt5300 3 ай бұрын
again I want to say thank you for what you are doing.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Aww, thanks Darryl. It feels good to be using my channel to help people. Thanks for being here!
@kathyline11 3 ай бұрын
Wow! the hita just keep on coming, Liz you're doing a great service to the regular people!
@jeffreyyeip1915 3 ай бұрын
I've seen numerous videos where RV owners have had numerous problems with Lippert products. Not just frames but leveling jacks and even steps. I just saw a video a couple of days ago where a guy bought a bumper pull to take hemis family on a vacation to Alaska while traveling through some road construction the tongue folded up on the trailer. The manufacturer blamed it on him taking the trailer off road. While doing his research to try and get someone to repair his trailer he found that there were numerous trailers with bent tongues. All manufactured by Lippert. The problem stems from them not using a heavy enough guage steel for the tongue
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness. I've heard about those bent tongues. What a nightmare for Lippert. I hope they do the right things.
@susanpopper7778 3 ай бұрын
We own a 21 Grand Design Solitude 346FLS, we love it! We do get it checked yearly before we hit the road!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Whew! I found it interesting that their frame passed the measurement test, but then still had a broken frame in several places. If you have any of the signs: squeaky floors, doors that won't close or stay closed, things out of line, then do take it in and insist they peal off the filon and look under the pin box. That said, glad that everything is well with yours! Thanks for watching.
@wallacegrommet3479 3 ай бұрын
Insane you need to really have to do that.
@tomconte1765 3 ай бұрын
Wow, this is crazy. These RV's are NOT safe. I don't think they can be "fixed", that's why there's resistance to admit there's a problem. Once the RV is built on the frame you can't fix the frame without disassembling the entire RV.
@nickd4093 3 ай бұрын
Love your videos and congratulations on the work you do. The industry needs to be held accountable. We owned a used Thor class a motor coach and had so many issues in the first year we were happy to have sold it. Class action suit should be organized against these manufacturers that aren’t being responsible.
@CraigPeer 3 ай бұрын
A very sad situation for these folks. I hope they get it resolved with your help Liz.
@coreymerritt7742 3 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work Liz that was the worst frame I’ve seen yet I hope that couple gets their trailer sorted out thanks again have a great weekend
@michaelbaka4777 3 ай бұрын
Short answer to these issues....don't buy new! There are a lot of used rigs out there for sale, find one whose owners have aged out and want to sell. Don't buy one that is made after 2018. Mine is a 2006 and it's been wonderful.....within reason! Get an inspection done before you lay any money out. LOOK UNDERNEATH THE RIG!!! Buying used means you may not get all the bells and whistles you want. Isn't it more important to have a safe and sturdy RV than one with 3 slides and a fireplace??? Unless you have more money than sense, think about what I just told you folks. Good luck and happy trails!!!
@johncauthorn4765 3 ай бұрын
Liz, you are amazing. You have done a great service for a lot of people. I just wanted to tell you we bought a used 2011 Hartland Big Country 4 years ago. We just love it. It was built back when quality was a big deal. Ours is a very solid built. You can tell how it feels when we pull it and live and work in it. Just wanted to say there was a time when the manufacturers cared. Again thank you for you and your channel. Keep up the good work. Hope to see you on the road. 👍
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, John. Oldies but goodies are the way to go these days! Enjoy that Big Country!
@TheNJ54 3 ай бұрын
Great segment, thank you for sharing! Keep at it, buyers need to know and they need you!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for your support! Stay tuned!
@charlottelavalette8236 3 ай бұрын
You Rock Liz . Always on the side of the consumer . Enjoy your weekend .Char🐼
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, Char, same to you!
@Electronics.guy.101 3 ай бұрын
that damage looks like metal fatigue stress fractures from sub-par cheap metal framing! could splint weld it with heavy duty metal plates... BUT you should not have to do this on a new RV
@kengroves49 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Liz for looking out for these guys
@truckemedia3111 3 ай бұрын
Nice job, nice video. The squeaky floors and nails pushing up through the vinyl was something I forgot to add to our video for our 395MS. The communication problem is the same for us. Good folks, easy to contact, zero content. Prayers for a good outcome.
@danielellington8407 3 ай бұрын
Hey Liz just a thought. Be careful on how you address these issues. There are people out there that don’t like “Whistle blowers” and they have ppl that can intimidate you. With you being alone and are doing these types of videos. Please install security cameras on the outside of your rv. So you are safe. I’d consider possibly caring a weapon with you and or some pepper spray. Just please be careful. You are a great person helping people out. That is awesome that you help these people with RV issues. Take YOUR RV into a reputable dealer. And after servicing I’d check everything out before you head out. Like I said just a thought for your safety.😊😊 Be Safe, and have fun.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your concern. In last week's video I shared that I sold my distinctive motorhome and am now flying under the radar. No threats, just want to sleep peacefully at night. And thank you so much for your support!
3 ай бұрын
A weapon? Come on dude, you're watching too much TV
@hawkeyetec 3 ай бұрын
The lack of industry concern over quality appears to be widespread throughout not just rv but the lack of civil society. I have a class 8 tractor trailer and the loss of reality in business acumen has been replaced by delusion. The former road standards have fallen, which has caused manufactures to have to place heavier suspension, etc, components on their vehicles. However, it's my opinion that logic has been replaced by emotion. Emotion dosent build or maintain a customer base or tax base to maintain a civil society. Feel free to be able to defend yourself in all spectrums.. we are, unfortunately, in that spectrum.
@chipsrafferty8362 3 ай бұрын
And you don’t,there’s some nasty people out there.
@Giesis 3 ай бұрын
Good job bringing light to this issue. I have a GD Imagine and it has been problem free. I went to trade it and could not believe how much Grand Design quality has gone down. Looking somewhere else.
@reubenbautista8502 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Liz. You are the best 🫶🏽🙏🙏🙏
@billkop3717 3 ай бұрын
Your videos Liz are eye open for all those who want to go RV traveling theses days, I hope people do their homework before buying anything, as always Liz your videos will help people on how to choose the right RV let alone be very informed how to go about this adventure in life, thank you for your hard work on this Liz , your Beautiful! You guys stay safe out there!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, Bill! I sure appreciate your support and kind words, and for cheering me on!
@donrozette2706 3 ай бұрын
We have a 2023 397 that is experiencing many of the same symptoms as this couple. Ours has been in the shop for almost 4 months. Very discouraging to say tge least. Legal action maybe the best recourse for the many of us that are facing these issues.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Oh goodness, I am so sorry you are going through this, too, Don. Thanks for your comment and I hope you get some relief soon.
@Cooler_Journeys 3 ай бұрын
So sorry you are going through this. We clearly know how you feel.
@minimaxmiaandme.4971 3 ай бұрын
Class action suit, if you can find others.
@rmahlbacher 3 ай бұрын
Great discussion. My thoughts exactly. If they can’t engineer and build them correctly, they shouldn’t build them at all. Thank for another great video!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Bob! Stay tuned for a follow up on this!
@wlanejr106b 3 ай бұрын
Hello again. I really enjoy your content and my heart really goes out to these poor people having all these issues with their RV. Your channel us much needed and please keep up the great work educating people like me who'd love to get an RV, but I am put off by all the issues people have. It's not cheap buying an RV and you expect it to be 100% from day one.
@chuckwhitson654 2 ай бұрын
Liz you are awesome. Ive been looking at pre-owned 5-12yr old rigs and you have given my personal checklist a bump up, with things that I would have never thought of on my own
@josephalberta1145 3 ай бұрын
I have watched video after video and learned three things. One - dont buy Grand Design. Two - dont buy GD. Three - dont buy GD. I have a 97 Prevost and it has had very very few problems. None are perfect but i have much more faith in older models RVs and even more so in the solid frame of a coach over the plywood and staples that hold new trailers together. Save a lot of money and get a good older RV.
@backcountryboondockers 3 ай бұрын
32 years manufacturing welding. If the metal is cracked it not the welding it the engineering. Probably add some 10 gauge to my travel trailer
@10lauset 3 ай бұрын
Cheers for all your hard work.
@bethannea4842 3 ай бұрын
I've decided to put a camper shell on my truck. While it's not totally comfortable, it's better than sitting out a year waiting for your new RV to get fixed (maybe). Thanks Liz! Hope to see you down the road someday.
@michellefitz4287 3 ай бұрын
We’re dreaming of a truck camper - there’s some really nice ones out there now. Have fun and good luck!
@Knuckledragnation 3 ай бұрын
It seems to me Lippert engineers design and make the frame according to Grand Designs Specifications. I have heard that where these issues start coming up is when Grand Designs deviates from its original design plan that it submitted to Lippert engineers for approval. I’m no engineer but I would think that any and all deviations from the original specifications should in fact go back to Lippert engineers for approval. It’s sad to see Ram recall close to a million or so trucks all for a an emissions not safety related issue but yet there’s no one who’s got the back of these 5th wheel owners? I’d hate to see someone have to lose their life or seriously injured in an accident caused by a 5th wheel for things to change. Remember it’s not just 5th wheel owners out on the roads. All of us including our children and loved ones could be affected. Thanks again Liz for allowing others a place to voice their concerns.
@MAXF1P1 3 ай бұрын
Wow I was actually considering Grand Design! Wow incredible the negligence and audacity to sell this to folks. The industry is malignant.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
I sure hope Grand Design reconsiders. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
@buddyx6 3 ай бұрын
I use too work at a mobile home factory in the floor department and attached the floor to the frame with lag bolts, no excuse for missing bolts! "KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"
@anthonyb2334 3 ай бұрын
I do not presently own a trailer or 5th wheel but have owned 8 RV’s and a slide in over a 40 year period so here’s my opinion . We presently own a 2022 class A Winnebago. I’ve had it three years and 36,000 miles. We had some problems and took it to the FACTORY twice. I was very detailed in my emails and Winnebago stepped up to fix a few issues even after the warranty expired. I suggest folks try to work with the factory to resolve major issues if they can. 40 years in the heavy construction industry , and I am an engineer and know a bit about steel and welded construction. I’ve seen RVs get BIGGER, HEAVIER , and us requiring more amenities over time. I think the industry is using the same grade steel but is using the minimum thicknesses possible to save weight . And Inexperienced welders will definitely impact your rig as well and result in stress cracks. A friend has a Grand Design, larger bumper pull. We were noticing some unusual tire wear, checked his loading and axle models and found the CCC rating was extremely LOW for both. Too low for a trailer this size to be effectively used. In addition to poorer quality control and skimping on effective construction to save weight, the industry does little to inform the buyer how much or little these Rv’s can handle. Overloading by owners is common, not because they want to, but because once you load your necessities in these rigs you might very well be overloaded and stressing the frame or axles, unintentionally causing some of the problems. But not all. We learned the hard way. Our previous rig had frame damage after we loaded way more than the capacity. There is so much to learn about our rigs and channels like this are very helpful in educating folks what this is all about. Thank you
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing this, eye opening for sure.
@andychops 3 ай бұрын
Grand Design doesn't stand behind their products - good to know. Saves me from making a very costly mistake.
@golfnut2965 3 ай бұрын
Your channel has reiterated our decision to NOT purchase an RV. Just don't need these headaches.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLmfaNFjp5yWfXU.html
@reubenbautista8502 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing, my wife and I just bought one, the review’s we received were high and now we are getting all these bad news. We had a Rockwood and the walls were separating from the floor as well, thank God we were able to sell it but we lost money. It is sad that the RV industry are becoming a pain to many of us.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
It sure is! I hope this video series has the industry sitting up and taking notice. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.
@richardludwig8389 3 ай бұрын
You are really helping this industry
@stevendunn264 3 ай бұрын
I retire in a few months and have been watching your videos for about a year with plans to hit the open road... I think I might wait a while.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Hi Steve, Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLmfaNFjp5yWfXU.html I hope to see you out here!!
@kathykeene2092 3 ай бұрын
Just don’t buy new. Like Liz said, buy 2018 or older.
@kenkaplan4413 3 ай бұрын
I just purchased a 2020 ATC 4023 toy hauler which is built on an aluminum frame with an aluminum superstructure. The previous owner is a mechanical engineer and has towed it 14k miles without any structural issues. It has no slides, no leaks and so far after towing it halfway across the country I feel confident it will outlast me. I have owned a number of RV's and learned my lesson the hard way. Less is more. My last nightmare was a 2016 Montana with 5 slides and boy was I happy when that POS was sold.
@jesusstormteam11 3 ай бұрын
Yep I live in Indiana and I can attest if your experienced your expendable, especially with people willing to work for minimum wage our State has doubled in population the last 10 years and the roads are like RV parks they'll tear a 4x4 truck up let alone an RV. I hope the Company corrects it for this couple good for them for not letting it ruin their RV experience.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I hope this is a wakeup call for Grand Design. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for the update.
@maxdu6793 3 ай бұрын
So sad the retired couple bought the rig and wanted to enjoy their life but ended up suffering from the nightmare. Thanks Liz for sharing the story which is a warning to other potential buyers.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Indeed. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLmfaNFjp5yWfXU.html
@caniacstevehenderson7115 3 ай бұрын
Liz...never give up or in !! Blessings ❤❤❤❤
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much, Steve! Have a great weekend!
@ivanvarykino8202 3 ай бұрын
Based on this story, I've decided not to spend my hard earned money to buy a new Winnebago Navion. I will look for a company who gives a "hard Yes" to their customers. Thank you for helping this couple tell their story!
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Indeed! I don't blame you one bit. Thanks for watching, Ivan, and happy RV shopping.
@TJ-qz6hr 3 ай бұрын
This is why I’m keeping my 2010 Keystone fifth wheel. It was never taken in for any warranty work. In 14 years, I’ve only replaced the toilet and water pump. Everything else, works like the day I bought it. 50,000 miles on it and it still looks and works like new. I take it campgrounds that have a 10 year age limit and they don’t even question it.
@timhottinger2166 3 ай бұрын
I had the frame crack problem, 2010 heartland cyclone 3950. Took it back to Indiana, lippert came to dealership and repaired frame, after walls were removed. 1 week later we brought it back to Arkansas. With a lifetime warranty on repairs. So far so good.
@Steeler_nation2005 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Liz, my options are changing. Definitely not Grand Design. To many Horrible stories.
@MyChannel-vm6dw 3 ай бұрын
Grand Design and Keystone are the Boeing of travel trailers.
@kCI251 2 ай бұрын
No, the RV industry is much worse. Boeing has more critics than actual problems.
@greglynch3662 3 ай бұрын
It's a crying shame this couple like others are going through this debacle with grand design. People have invested hard earned money into a coach that GD likes to preach how good their product is, to be completely left holding the bag with something unsafe and not saleable. Sure GD is strategically buying customers out of their coach signing non-disclosure agreements forcing people to take down videos to save the company image. This keeps the lawsuits down and then they can pick and choose who gets help and who gets left holding the bag. I've about decided to buy something older and fix it up myself or just forget it altogether. I don't need another headache. Thanks for the info. Hope this couple gets help and runs as far from grand design as possible.
@Cooler_Journeys 3 ай бұрын
Well said.
@geoffmooregm 2 ай бұрын
As a long-time RV owner myself, and growing up camping from the time I was in diapers, I have seen it all. The rule I have come to learn is the day you buy an RV is the day you begin repairing your RV! 😂. I have had the entire underside of my Trailer open so I could inspect and fix things. Number 1 was the fresh water tank almost falling out. Because of that I built a full frame for it with an aluminum bottom, relocated the pickup for the pump, fixed the wiring for the sensors and moved it back so it was closer to the axle and took some weight off the tongue. Next, I fixed the wiring by wrapping it in split loom and bolting it to the frame with cushion clamps. I moved the pump from inside to underneath to cut down on the interior noise. Once that was done, I had to fix one of the beds, fix more wiring, and fix the ducting that fell off the furnace. We still love every minute of every trip you just have to be on top of it because they are built cheap and light.
@robertnasser9937 3 ай бұрын
For the last 4 or so years, the KZfaq people as a majority all purchased GDs. We did not because we did not like the floor plans. GD are not the only ones.
@merrileepuccio7677 3 ай бұрын
Seems if theres a safety issue, maybe Highway Patrol, DOT, etc. Should be notified.
@bm1943 3 ай бұрын
I agree with what you said in a prior video....states need to legislate a law which regulates this industry. Otherwise, nothing will change. Thank you for advocating, Liz!
@rce2198 3 ай бұрын
I hate that so many people are going thru this. I bought my Keystone Mini a little over a year ago , and have had great luck with it. The reason - its a 2018 { pre covid} Its also light weight which doesn't seem to have the frame issues that the bigger rigs have. Before every trip I crawl under ,,inspect every weld, and with a 4' straight edge check every inch of the frame. I also did this before I bought it. Before buying I also brought along a ladder and inspected the roof. So far so good but buyer beware.
@davidgutierrez6888 3 ай бұрын
I did think highly of Grand Design but not no more. This is not the first video you have done Lisa regarding them. Best thing for us is look for preowned models and not Grand Design.
@LizAmazing 3 ай бұрын
Me, too. I've owned two brand new Grand Designs. I think they are in serious trouble now with these frames. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
@williamfry6087 3 ай бұрын
Sounds like Lippert and Grand Design have a big liability issue.
@grayfox9911 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Liz! Good work!!
@ramonmirabal101 2 ай бұрын
I almost make mistake buy one of those change my mind thanks to your videos, very informative , thank you.
@jjfreight-trains 2 ай бұрын
Never buy an RV, if you stop buying them, they will start making them properly. I haven't heard anyone who is completely happy
@charleneheiland8803 3 ай бұрын
Well.....no wonder this gentleman looks like he belongs in a magazine ,he has a razor !!!!! 🥳🥳🥳🤣🤣🤣😜😜😜
@josephhicks6989 3 ай бұрын
This is where I believe the lemon law should be added to rvs. If it was, the industry would worry more about the product they put out and not just the money they get upfront.
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