Ignorance is Bliss: The 2003 Baylor Bears Murder Scandal

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Stupid Beyond Belief

Stupid Beyond Belief

Күн бұрын

The murder of Patrick Dennehy by teammate Carlton Dotson shook the Baylor community to its core. After an attempted cover-up by Dave Bliss was discovered months after, things began to take a much darker turn.
Today we break down the 2003 Baylor Bears Scandal, and the key figures involved in it. From Abar Rouse, the whistleblowing coach to Harvey Thomas, the mysterious transfer. Truly one of college basketball's wildest stories involving drugs, deception, and murder. Who do you think did it?
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0:00 - Intro
7:58 - Firing Off Fortunes
16:31 - Between the Lines
29:56 - Ignorance is Bliss
Sources:
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@ericaalexander5242
@ericaalexander5242 2 ай бұрын
Interesting that the coaches were mad that Abram recorded conversations to protect himself. It seems they would have tried to frame him into the situation because of Dotson stating he was selling drugs. Also the coaches being mad of the recordings but not a possible murder cover up in the name of protecting their imagines says alot about how these coaches characters really are.
@jamesmarshall6619
@jamesmarshall6619 2 ай бұрын
completely agree. Sure, there was a murder, paying players, doing CYA in regards to a murder investigation, that's not good but they drew a line at recording someone. Not surprising Boeheim as he's never been that high character of a guy but for K to not see it, despicable characteristics and further proof how coaches look out for each other more than players.
@agoo7581
@agoo7581 Ай бұрын
And there are still a bunch morons who hold Mike K in such high regard.
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg Ай бұрын
If there is one thing I've learned over the years, it's never trust a guy named Dave from Waco TX.
@b00biejingles
@b00biejingles Ай бұрын
Now you got the football fans lookin at Dave Aranda with the side eye lmao
@DrBeauHightower
@DrBeauHightower 2 ай бұрын
Crazy I grew up going to school with Dave Blissa kids. He was a legend in Albuquerque
@jebedmondson6428
@jebedmondson6428 2 ай бұрын
Waco might genuinely be a cursed place between this and the siege and the scandals in the 2010s.
@jeckpeul708
@jeckpeul708 2 ай бұрын
And yet somehow Scott Drew brought Baylor to a title in 2021. Almost makes it more impressive
@austintaylor6152
@austintaylor6152 2 ай бұрын
You have baylor and then 2hours north you have smu and their scandals 20 years prior and you wouldn't be out of line to start looking at tcu and wondering if there will be a scandal there soon
@charlesorourke5433
@charlesorourke5433 2 ай бұрын
the whole states a shitth0le
@brentdavis555
@brentdavis555 2 ай бұрын
Not cursed. I lived there for 12 years but your typical city. Where people use religion and assumptions to let things slide rather than face reality that the system is not perfect. ​@@jeckpeul708
@simrdownmon6431
@simrdownmon6431 2 ай бұрын
I think it's Texas in general. People honestly beleive that gun rights allow ls them the right to protect themselves against the gov, but history proves over and over again that guns gives the government leverage to take away your right...Waco, Ruby ridge........ The can't buy the kind s t u p I d that the American people are.
@bronsonbamnallen1633
@bronsonbamnallen1633 2 ай бұрын
Its just so sad that they tried to slander Dennehy after he was murdered. His family should have sued Bliss (maybe they did and I never heard about it)
@jpmnky
@jpmnky 2 ай бұрын
After that Penn State situation this is the most disgusting NCAA story I remember being uncovered.
@totallynotalpharius2283
@totallynotalpharius2283 Ай бұрын
And Baylors rape scandal Neither Baylor or Penn State should have ever played football again
@agoo7581
@agoo7581 Ай бұрын
@@totallynotalpharius2283 This. End of discussion.
@seand1011
@seand1011 Ай бұрын
When the Showtime documentary "Disgraced" - which covered the Baylor scandal in depth - was released in 2017, Dave Bliss was coaching at an NAIA school. He resigned almost immediately after the film was released, and after coaching at a high school in Las Vegas for one season, hasn't coached since.
@user-oi5rf6ni2g
@user-oi5rf6ni2g Ай бұрын
Yeah the video literally says that
@AnvilPro100
@AnvilPro100 Ай бұрын
@@user-oi5rf6ni2g Hey man, why don't you chill out?
@usuckthereturn
@usuckthereturn Ай бұрын
The irony of having Ken Starr, a man synonymous with sex scandal overlook this scandal says a lot about him and the people who placed him in that position. At least it wasn’t a Big Ten School!!
@ajconstantine3593
@ajconstantine3593 Ай бұрын
This was really well written & edited! 👍
@MichaelMartin-qe5ye
@MichaelMartin-qe5ye 2 ай бұрын
Dave Bliss had some success at New Mexico, which made him a bit of "get" for a lackluster program like late 90s Baylor, but ultimately, his 4 years in Waco resulted in one winning season and no NCAA tourney bids. They sold their souls for some decidedly average basketball.
@Chck314
@Chck314 2 ай бұрын
In 1992, several of Bliss' player were failing classes and still playing.
@PeenWienerstien
@PeenWienerstien Ай бұрын
Thats the worst part of it all tbh. At least if they had success theres SOMETHING that validates the suffering, even as hollow as that may be.
@homedeezyfasheezy5662
@homedeezyfasheezy5662 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Waco is definitely a different place. Even currently there is kinda a weird vibe to the place. It’s like it’s both stuck in the past yet modern at the same time. Baylor university campus is beautiful and the around area around it has been renovated yet go over 2 blocks down the road and your in the middle of the projects and older run down homes. Still a cool place though…
@jboog7848
@jboog7848 2 ай бұрын
That’s not college towns tho. The hood a block or two away
@mikevismyelement
@mikevismyelement 2 ай бұрын
Same can be said about LSU and USC and I'm sure a lot of others
@19kambo
@19kambo 2 ай бұрын
@@mikevismyelementyup
@Heyu7her3
@Heyu7her3 2 ай бұрын
​@@mikevismyelement Columbia University is technically in Harlem & UChicago is on the South side
@Chck314
@Chck314 2 ай бұрын
I followed UNM Lobo basketball closely in the 90s, Bliss always had issues, many of his players were flunking classes and still playing. UNM wanted desperately to win and Bliss was their man. As evil was, Universities that have the win at any cost mentality are the ultimate problem. For the record, Dennehy was a bad seed at UNM. He was actually a Frachilla recruit.
@wagnerp1213
@wagnerp1213 24 күн бұрын
????
@robertbluestein7800
@robertbluestein7800 Ай бұрын
first time watching your channel. I love how you stay committed to the facts and let the listener draw their own conclusions. It;s an art form all by itse;lf! Really enjoyed it!
@redmustangredmustang
@redmustangredmustang 2 ай бұрын
Baylor was a joke back then in the early 00's. The only thing that Baylor had going for them is their women's team.
@Zupfool3
@Zupfool3 Ай бұрын
It is unfathomable that he managed to hang around the college scene. Disgusting.
@user-ye1nh6xj7h
@user-ye1nh6xj7h Ай бұрын
Showtime/Paramount Plus came out with a documentary on this case. It's called Disgraced. Awesome documentary.
@sigmaphysique
@sigmaphysique 2 ай бұрын
Great video bro, looking forward to seeing your subs grow💪
@boxingfrog
@boxingfrog Ай бұрын
Slimy comments from Coach K
@WarpedMind
@WarpedMind Ай бұрын
Great quality video. You’re gonna blow up
@pukysand
@pukysand Ай бұрын
I can truly say at this moment that I am no longer a Coach K fan after I just saw what he has said about the coach that recorded the head coach that was cheating for Baylor basketball. The former coach at Baylor during that time was always caught up in some type of scandal yet he was still getting coaching opportunities. His player was found dead (RIP Pat Dennehey) and was proven that the coach was trying to cover up something way more in depth than cheating and paying for players tuition to transfer from New Mexico to Baylor. What the assistant did at the time was not right and should have been handled either by a resignation or working with the authorities, however if you come in to your coaches office and he puts his finger down on your contract and forces you to either fall in line or lose your job, then you're forcing a coach to admit no wrong doing for the head coach when he knew what the head coach was doing was illegal and morally wrong! Coach K said that if a Coach would have recorded me without my consent then he would no longer be a coach. Well that guy never got back in the coaching after that however the Baylor's coach did and kept coaching even when he was wrong. He was cheating and steal these schools gave him jobs just like we're seeing in college sports in the 2020 era. When is this going to stop and when is the NCAA going to ban coaches that cheat and get caught not to be able to coach for a few years? Yes I said it that they can't coach for a few years and I don't mean using a show cause to get back in the coaching. I mean once they are guilty they can't coach for five years even if another school needs them or know it would help they can't touch that coach.
@Showtimepicks_
@Showtimepicks_ Ай бұрын
Nice doc man keep it going 🔥
@Rockhead84
@Rockhead84 Ай бұрын
I remember this story breaking but I don't remember how it ended and how the coach was so sketchy. Good video.
@GiantAndShaman
@GiantAndShaman 2 ай бұрын
Another banger video
@RolandBullock-ej8wl
@RolandBullock-ej8wl 2 ай бұрын
Bliss....what a terrible human being!
@BilgoBaggins
@BilgoBaggins 2 ай бұрын
Bliss is the worst
@Chck314
@Chck314 2 ай бұрын
Yes, playing on old historical black stereotypes to victimize teenagers
@fidelbell4855
@fidelbell4855 2 ай бұрын
Dope video bro 💪🏽been killing since the suns video
@drewgatewood1864
@drewgatewood1864 2 ай бұрын
This is why NIL is good.
@andrewroberts4071
@andrewroberts4071 Ай бұрын
No it's not. That gives guys a way out when they make mistakes. NIL promotes no accountability imo
@drewgatewood1864
@drewgatewood1864 Ай бұрын
​@@andrewroberts4071 Apologies for the long response. This is based on my own college experience and witnessing the progression of friends throughout their's as well, at all levels. More importantly, its based on decades of watching college coaches and institutions behave with impunity, leaving athletes hanging in the wind, and doing so without any qualms or consequences. The TLDR is coaches and institutions have been dictators for the entirety of the existence of college sports, and accountability has been unidirectional. Many coaches have been able to behave like tyrants and/or petty children, because they have the power to end an athlete's career at the drop of a hat. They no longer have that power, and are actually being exposed to market forces, and they don't like it. NIL levels the playing field in a way that coaches and administrations don't like. The entire NCAA ecosystem rested on its laurels and absolutely reveled in unidirectional accountability for...basically the entirety of its existence. Good coaches with good team culture and an actually productive, positive mindset won't be hurt by these much. Two-faced coaches who are great on the recruiting trail but are tyrants within their program are having to pay a price now. I would agree this wasn't great if I hadn't been surrounded by and witnesses so many tens if not hundreds of self-serving college level coaches happily institution hop, ruin and or kneecap athletic careers for very petty and or team-level political reasons. Coaches are used to being dictators, and have enjoyed that power for a long time. This also means that many have become accustomed to unreal behavioral standards and practices, the sh*t they could do was really unbelievable, but they had the power to END a young person's dream with the flip of a switch, so athletes generally just had to take it on the chin and deal with it. There was no recourse. If the NCAA were full of good actors and respectable coaches who act morally and really invest in their athletes in a meaningful way...undeniably enriching their lives just for being able to be on the field...this wouldn't be a problem. But that dynamic either disappeared decades ago, or never really existed. Schools and coaches have become lazily accustomed to a mobility double standard, and have enjoyed being able to put a stake in the ground and saying athletes can't move, basically upon pain of their career. All the while, coaching staffs and administrations are free to change things, go back on promises, and institution hop at will, the historic ruleset demanded that athletes must have proverbial concrete shoes for....no reason really....just to uphold the lie that "they are students first...." The stark reality for coaches and schools is that this shines a very bright light on the culture and the overall value that every single team and program brings to its athletes. Market forces make monopolistic actors very unhappy. This also highlights precisely how much money athletes really have been bringing into schools for a long long time. It's about mindset, institutions don't like that they now have to actually maintain and uphold a level of attractiveness THROUGHOUT an athletes eligibility and time on campus. Coaches don't like that they actually have to perform and be nice people, and not get things their way all the time. If there were an independent, unbiased, non-profit seeking arbiter of such situations, this MIGHT not be a problem, but there isn't one. Athletes have had zero freedom, advocacy or recourse for the entirety of college athletics prior to the portal and NIL. This has injected freedom of movement into a system that used to function on indentured servitude, and yeah, it's changing things. But in the process, it is massively enriching the lives of tens of thousands of families, taking money which used to just get funneled into facilities and college coffers, and actually putting it into the hands of the athlete. Is it jarring? Yes. Does it change a power dynamic? Totally. Is it an improvement from the old status quo? Undeniably. College is (in theory) about improving the lives and futures of young people. This injects a hefty dose of that back into colleges and universities.
@TonyMichaels166
@TonyMichaels166 7 күн бұрын
@@andrewroberts4071nobody holds them accountable anymore. It just conditions them for when they get to the NBA.
@brycelandon6387
@brycelandon6387 2 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention how Bliss got a 10-year show-cause penalty from the NCAA for his violations, and how two of his assistants also got show-cause penalties.
@Damianoutlaw
@Damianoutlaw 2 ай бұрын
Baylor has won the National Title in either mens or womens basketball in 2005, 2012, 2019 and 2021
@Lucas-cf5sz
@Lucas-cf5sz 2 ай бұрын
great video
@robg643
@robg643 2 ай бұрын
Here before this blows up
@huskialt
@huskialt 2 ай бұрын
really weird how Baylor has SO many awful situations
@Chck314
@Chck314 2 ай бұрын
A private university in Texas that wants to win at all costs, what could go wrong?
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg Ай бұрын
Not really. The place is an absolute shit hole. Visit there for 5 mins, and all this makes sense. It's the most miserable place in Texas.
@johnnytsunami4186
@johnnytsunami4186 Ай бұрын
​@@DanoFSmith-yc9tgwell, I don't wanna go if it's a shithole. Tell my why it's one, so I don't ever have to find out in person.
@b00biejingles
@b00biejingles Ай бұрын
@@DanoFSmith-yc9tg It's not as bad as Odessa or Beaumont
@Thatdude20
@Thatdude20 Ай бұрын
How was Bliss not thrown in jail for helping cover it up?
@randocalrissian347
@randocalrissian347 Ай бұрын
I graduated from Baylor in 97. It is so incredibly shocking, yet not.
@skullyjunior3589
@skullyjunior3589 Ай бұрын
How the fuck was Bliss able to get off scott free, much less even COACH anymore???
@xavierjc94
@xavierjc94 Ай бұрын
One tiny little detail I noticed prolly because I’m a native New Mexican. When you show bliss hired as New Mexicos coach it should say at the “university of New Mexico” New Mexico State university is their rival school fell down south in the state.
@LucasNogueria
@LucasNogueria 2 ай бұрын
Couldn't be me
@robertbluestein7800
@robertbluestein7800 Ай бұрын
ps..how many hours does it take you to put this together? Do you have a producer?
@carlostenorio9892
@carlostenorio9892 Ай бұрын
Wrong logo at 4:44 that’s NMSU not UNM…
@Rastafarianinja
@Rastafarianinja 16 күн бұрын
Dotson was granted parole at the end of March 2024 after his agreement to complete a program. Very timely release for this video
@interarts2863
@interarts2863 2 ай бұрын
What's the music @2:20?
@bookaufman9643
@bookaufman9643 Ай бұрын
If somebody is hearing voices it is much more likely that is schizophrenia and probably not bipolar disorder. I am bipolar and it leads to very bad depression and anxiety and excess energy when I'm on the manic side. But like most people with bipolar disorder I do not hear voices. That is part of the diagnosis schizophrenia which is a very challenging disorder to deal with. It actually normally starts with people in late high school or early college age and becomes much more severe as they grow older.
@Happycoreftw
@Happycoreftw 2 ай бұрын
Had no idea the lobos had that going on I live in Albuquerque lol
@Chck314
@Chck314 2 ай бұрын
Bliss left UNM in 1999 under strange conditions
@cmattjohnson1692
@cmattjohnson1692 Ай бұрын
Waiting on the next scandal
@richardscargill7201
@richardscargill7201 2 ай бұрын
Check out 'Disgraced'. It's a fascinating (and infuriating) documentary about this case.
@StoneBuzzard
@StoneBuzzard 2 ай бұрын
25:50
@markangelou9368
@markangelou9368 Ай бұрын
Every coach gets a country club membership.
@jameshoops10
@jameshoops10 Ай бұрын
im not sure if it was between the police driving him home or anything before that but i remember an officer telling him god’s gonna get you for that and it ruined dotson’s entire mental state the essential push over the ledge
@johnofmalta
@johnofmalta Ай бұрын
What you call ignorance some would say focused. Athletes are a asset you protect. If you want big time athletics it’s part of the deal. Kay says to Michael Corleone after he compares his father to any powerful man, “Don’t be naive Michael. Presidents and senators don’t kill people.” He responds, “Who’s being naive now, Kay?”
@future_elevator_music
@future_elevator_music Ай бұрын
Ain’t no way he lived with the surgeon from Scrubs
@regcheadle3754
@regcheadle3754 Ай бұрын
This was a bad look for Coach Bliss. What a jerk! Kept getting jobs
@MrLp1980
@MrLp1980 Ай бұрын
I remember this story. It kinda of went under the radar because of Kobe Bryant rape ACCUSATION that same summer. Kobe case dominated the headlines for a year because of he was the biggest star in the nba and one of the biggest sports figures in the world. So that’s why this Baylor scandal people forget about.
@marvelousman6031
@marvelousman6031 22 күн бұрын
I really like your videos, can you make a video about Selena Quintanilla?
@bradnobl
@bradnobl Ай бұрын
@7:52 a younger Lester Holt.
@carlostenorio9892
@carlostenorio9892 Ай бұрын
Also at 5:23 once again wrong school!
@Kkismet
@Kkismet 2 ай бұрын
Rich white men dont get in trouble, they just get their jobs transfered to a different state
@Kkismet
@Kkismet 2 ай бұрын
Bliss should be in jail, not coaching basketball
@Chck314
@Chck314 2 ай бұрын
Exactly right, and this is the perfect example
@Bobbleheads56
@Bobbleheads56 2 ай бұрын
Lmao and yet it wasn’t an evil white man who actually committed the murder, was it? I didn’t even need to google that to know what race the killer was 😂
@rideordiedetroit5924
@rideordiedetroit5924 2 ай бұрын
This coach needed NIL
@ral3514
@ral3514 Ай бұрын
I'm 49. I've been bi polar my whole life. He has schizophrenia. That's not bi polar. I'm not a snowflake but I don't need people thinking I hear voices and shit.
@RightousAdversary
@RightousAdversary 25 күн бұрын
Said the same thing
@andrewroberts4071
@andrewroberts4071 Ай бұрын
Imagine this big huge giant scandal all for some mediocre bum basketball players. Baylor basketball ladies and gentlemen
@jamesmarshall6619
@jamesmarshall6619 2 ай бұрын
Good thing Baylor got it correct by hiring a good Christian coach in Art Briles to lead their football program...oh wait.
@keithharper1470
@keithharper1470 Ай бұрын
And Ken Starr as university president those where good choices
@Hookiedookie123
@Hookiedookie123 Ай бұрын
They did hire a good Christian coach in Scott Drew to run the basketball program.
@Area-pv3ht
@Area-pv3ht 2 ай бұрын
Baylor is bad mkay
@cliffordcrimson7124
@cliffordcrimson7124 Ай бұрын
Narrator talks too fast.
@condemnedpotbelly8491
@condemnedpotbelly8491 Ай бұрын
If Abram was white and bliss was black this story would be completely different If this doesn't prove white privilege to you I don't know what will
@flugplatz21
@flugplatz21 2 ай бұрын
What does it say when a serial cheater keeps getting hired by "Christian" colleges? And which does it say more about, the cheating coach who keeps looking for jobs at "Christian" places, or the "Christians" who keep hiring him despite (because of) his track record? My conclusion is that becoming a Christian doesn't seem to bring about the advertised changes in a person's life. I think the people continue to act however they please, but let themselves off the hook because they're "accountable" to an invisible man.
@brycelandon6387
@brycelandon6387 2 ай бұрын
People like Dave Bliss might be able to fool others around him, including Christians and those who profess to be Christians. But he hasn't fooled God. The Son of God had more than a few things to say about those who use the guise of religion to mask their evildoing: “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7.21-23, RSV) And in the hearing of all the people he said to his disciples, “Beware of the scribes, who like to go about in long robes, and love salutations in the market places and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.” (Luke 20.45-47, RSV) That's just a small sample size of what God thinks of hypocrites. He'll make sure that people like Dave Bliss get what's coming to them, whether in this world or in eternity to come, He has a special place in Hell prepared for them.
@theTXSandman
@theTXSandman 2 ай бұрын
That’s a dumb take.
@flugplatz21
@flugplatz21 2 ай бұрын
@@theTXSandman LOL! You're mad because you know it's too often true.
@familyguyfreemoviedownload8314
@familyguyfreemoviedownload8314 2 ай бұрын
least obnoxious atheist
@Heyu7her3
@Heyu7her3 2 ай бұрын
No, it says more about "men" whatever their persuasion. Women are not given nearly the same leeway, even the Marys.
@snuffmeister6720
@snuffmeister6720 Ай бұрын
crazy how similar those three were
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