The position on the left was the best in the first two tests.

I have a large desk and the only place I can stand it is on the centre of the desk floor base which is quite substantial. It is a down firing yamaha hs8s. Should I place it on layers of carpet underlay or something?

is there any reason why not to put the a7 on top of the subs? (in a way that the twitters are in an ear level of course) (will look like a pa system setup...) what do you think about that @Hop Pole Studios ?

I could not to hear a difference with Sony mdr -1am2 that in Sony’s marketing specs saying is should play 3-100000Hz in sub positioning and barely a difference with no sub, with sub and with two subs. Does mic recording show the difference in left and right tracks with different positioning (it could be shown in video)? It seems to me it would be better to have s10, because it can play lower frequencies up to 25 Hz. I would like to know - this sub at what frequency goes down when sine sweep is played? Can it play flat until 28 Hz and then goes down or 28HZ is barely heard? All manufacturers should be adding next to frequencies +-decibels. :(

Cheers m8 🔥 Good info

I would suggest make anything below 90hz as mono, there are lots of way to do that. One of it is by using Izotope Imager.

I’m planning to get the Adam Sub 7 to complete my Adam’s T5V setup ;)

You need f place the sub at the same distance of your monitors first, cuz you can get a phase differences if sub is in a different distance, thats what you hear differences between left, center and right, bass frequencies are mono and omnidirectional but they need be at the same distance of you mic, you was hearing phase differences because distances was different, only matter the phase no the side. Sorry if my english is bad, is not my main language.

actually i liked the version where there was no sub.. hmmm interesting. perhaps we do need bigger speakers which can go deeper than decouple subs.. I am on a sub shopping regime, might have to change speakers now to get bigger ones which can go low. Whats your take after using 2 subs for this while? any tips?

20hz? Probably not! 40hz very possible! I like the setup with two subs. It sounds fuller and more wholesome in the bottom end. But even one sub is good. Without the subs, there is something important missing.

Very interesting to notice that there is a huge difference in both cases (A, B, C test). With the whole spectrum, the difference was much more clear than with the low spectrum only. Having said that, I was wrong with the first test and right with the second (with very simple speakers, that is). I stumbled across this video while looking into the "best" solution for my situation. After watching a load of reviews (mostly Yamaha HS5/7/8 and Adam T and AX series) I started to think that smaller monitor speakers with a subwoofer is better than picking the largest speakers from a series. For example, the Adam A3X with sub7 (or Adam T7V with T10s for the same money) will be a better solution than the A8X without subwoofer. The same might go for the Yamaha. If the amount of money is a problem, you can start with the speakers and add a subwoofer later (or two, depending on what you are aiming for). It seems that most reviewers notice a slight better performance in mid-range when adding a subwoofer (as in bass, of course).

I have a sub in the studio but I have no idea how loud it should be.. when the sub is loud mixes are too thin and when sub is low mixes are too boomy.. I'm basically not using it and just using my eyes looking at audio analyzer not to go above -3db at end of mastering chain but would love to know if anyone out there has an answer.. thanks!

I could only tell it appart with the below 100hz sound. Whats weird though ist that while I could clearly tell where the initial impulse came from when it was left or right it had a pretty strong echo on the other side. When it was in the middle it just sounded muffled.

Been a stereo sub guy for many years. Directly below my monitors in phase. I turn my cerwin Vega dx 9’s ( 15 inch subs ) upside down and sit my monitors on top of those with a ton of of foam under them to decouple it.

does this pair offer a on/off switching with a footswitch ? I do it like this i make my subwoofer extremely loud because it is harder to hear lows because of the equal loudness curve... i turn it on when i shape and eq the bass and kickdrum and overall subbass and turn it off again for levelling ... that way it is easier for me to properly hear and judge bass and subbass.

I listen to music a lot of days on my pc stereo speakers that have a sub so im some what use to a sub and when I used headphones I could tell that C was in the Center. Something strange happen though when you put the sub on the right and left aka B and C they both sounded on the left I never felt the the sub was ever on the right.

I'm curious, Adam talks about having matched subs so that the sound stays linear at different volumes. Is this something you tested, or are they just linear at the volume that you monitor at?

thanks for making this video I just wanted to know how you connect those pair of subs to each monitor I also have a sub in my studio and want to try this could you please help me.

I got both tests wrong so I’ve gaffa taped my sub upside down onto the roof above my head. Sorted.

Make the Bass mono and use a visualization for identify issues. More subs making more issues in the room

First of all thank you for your efforts and dedication.sir I have money issues so can I mix and master song with only one sub.please tell.

LOL i got all those tests wrong lol i have a pr of JBL MK3s im thinking of a sub but....im in a spare bdrm and dont really think i NEED one...i can just use my AKG headphones for anything in the 100-40hz...any opinions?

Thanks

Cool video. I preferred the sound of C for both tests in my Sennheiser headphones and adam 7 speakers + sub10. On the second test, I preferred no sub and two subs. I tend to listen to how the sub effects the other elements of the song rather than focusing on the hype of the bass. If the rest of the mix sounds better than I prefer that position with subs. The 1 sub made the snare sound like it had less spank and more phase-ish on my system. Two subs brought it back for some reason.

How did you calibrate the subs and the mains together with each other?

What your listening to is not directionality it’s phase, you’ve move your sub out of phase with your main monitors aswell as moving the sub around the room means your sitting in and out of room modes, your not hearing where it’s coming from.

in my opinion makes sense the two woofers for your practical use but one woofer its the best system in relation to price quality. thanks for the explanations

in my AT ATH M50Xs, I could not hear ANY difference.

how about a3x with two sub 7s?

dude ur my hero. thats exactly what i thought! two sub 8's for a set of a7's and ur close to a set of adam s3x-h or s3h, the former i also own, and i am sure i can emulate the effect with 2 subs and be done with it. The only thing i acutally do think is still a hazzle is that there is no bypass function, for when i want to casually listen to music at times where neigbors might not appreciate my enthusiasm XD). As far as i know you cant switch from full range including woofer to bypassing the woofer AND the HPF at the flick of a switch.

Fact you dont necessarily need a sub to mix bass, or for mastering. I've mixed and mastered 2 and a half albums, solo, and the quality is dank as hell. Will a sub help u seperate bass quicker, hella yes. So I just ordered a aub for my home studio :D

yes i could. Left and center, not so much on the right

Nice. Wouldn't it be better to swap the adams with the ns10-type? Seems a bigger compromise with the adams not having a good alignment at ear level. Im about to buy some adams monitors because of your channel. Youve got me inspired to get on and get a working setup after 25 years wanting to.

@Hop Pole Studios, did you experience that the a7x's mid range was clearer after you added the subs? I heard due to the a7's woofers not having to work so hard, they free up some detail in the lower mids to mids.

i heard people comment that adam's subs have small physical weight to them, and so they rumble, make unwanted noises and move (physically) in high levels... do you experience any of that too?

I'm building a studio in my spare room. My bedroom just has too many doors windows and a closet that takes the best places for my desk. I'm waiting for lumber prices to drop so I can build and actually have my guitar gear next to my desk for once.

In my hesh 3 I could not hear any difference

Test 1, I could definitely hear B was left, the others were more difficult. Test 2 A was clearly left. Maybe my headphones or hearing are biased.

Just buy some Yamaha HS8s. They have plenty of low end all the way down past 20hz and they cost less than one of those Adam subs

yes i heard it in that order second pass

I messed up completely the first test, but I was pretty sure about B center in the 2nd run I think that in an asymmetrical bass situation, you can't hear very much where it comes from, but you feel the "asymmetricalness"

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A Left, B Right, C Center. Being I have Dyslexia, my body feels sound, and so do my ears, and I can tell where the sound is coming from. Round 2 A Left, B Right, C Center. Again, this is what my brain was telling me. xD

So, basically, you have to test your room to find out the best place for sound.

😂 thank you, listening on an iPad, so no sub, one sub, two sub sound identical, that is total silence 😂

C felt like on the left too? Am I going deaf?

On the last test... With my high quality monitor headphones, you can definitely tell you have 2 subs, right and left. I think it's worth it to have 2 subs in a high end studio.

Buying 2 is best solution ? My money :(

Isn’t your desk going to act like a second speaker box?

0:21 because they're expensive

YOU HAVE 2 SUBS ???? OMMOOOO ! i dont want 2 subs . ;D

Sorry. This test is ridiculous! It depends only of the sound at the listeners at home.