12:40 Matt: "Just fire his fuckin stupid ass!" Woolie: "No. *I love him.*"

"I was black all along!" - Plague

the crime is being protected

Love how it startes with woolie trying to hold it in but then everyone just goes all out

That metaphor with the cake for Cage's methodology was awesome.

It’s really something coming back to this video and remembering the hype we all had for.. not the game itself.: but the Super Best Friends playing the game together. The amount of speculation and commentary about David Cage’s games past, present and future is laughter to my heart. The fact that these experiences are no more.. and may never be replaceable is making me really reflect on how sad and barren KZfaq has become without them...

26:20 - 28:30 Finally, Woolie makes a good story on how David Cage games are made

Woolie's breakdown of David Cage's creative process is hilarious. "Bugs are evil"

That cake analysis is pretty on point

Woolie revealing the thought process of David Cage is some of the best audio I've let my ears experience ever.

matt was just dying at the end.

I saw the Detroit trailer with the hostage scene too. I think investigating the crime was supposed to give you more dialogue when you confront the guy.

Detroid: Become Sad

Just imagine a straw hat on 2Snacks Pat and this video is complete. Also the Android's stomach could've opened up, revealing a large boxing glove on a grabby spring thing.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this is when Woolie described what he saw as a 'fail state.' Silly Woolie, there are no fail states in a David Cage game (anymore)!

Griffin1171, you're propably a very nice and cool guy, but your name reminds me of Griffith so therefor I must hate you.

Every time someone praises Bloodborne Plague shits on his fence.

plague and mat just seem to be on the same wavelength to make jokes... and i love their banter

Please keep doing these. chronicle the entire thing.

"I think you're projecting your ideas onto it." Plague needs to be on the Friendcast more often because Woolie does this kind of thing a lot.

"The Search For Cake on Bridgeworld" we need that movie poster.

This crime scene is covered in burned scripts and snail slime

Honestly, this segment really makes me want to look into what things I take inspiration from. So I actually understand how to incorporate them in stuff I wanna work on.

The two-threat thing is like this. There is no *immediate* threat to anyone, but nobody knows that going in. The "side of the building threat" is the girl being knocked off the building or shot if people decide to open fire. The gun is basically just to prevent people from getting too close before the demands the android lays out are met. But the whole poking around the apartment putting legos together to reconstruct the crime that we already know about is dumb still.

I'm with Woolie, having more context on something and THEN judging it, is better than shitting on something just to shit on it. But, there are some exceptions, projects that deserve EVERY piece of ridicule and scorn. Like (My personal source of hate) Teen Titans Go!

When Matt said “Where do they go David” I couldn’t breathe I was laughing so hard

I have to remember Eli's hypothetical scenario for David Cage rewriting the scene at 8:24 hes so fast with the "uh-uh" it gets me every single time

On a different note: This is the first time I've heard an english-speaking person actually pronuncing "Uwe Boll" correctly. Good job, Woolie.

Who is the true 5th best friend Plague, David Cage, or Billy

I like the pic you used for Plague, looks just like him.

Holy shit, David Cage is an android.

When I see a fly in my house, I say, "Wait, there's a bug! Bugs are evil!"

Isn't David Cage basically the equivalent of Tommy Wiseau in the game industry?

Yet another golden nugget from Woolie "Shit from muh butt" Madden

Playing a game where a android negotiator slowly gains emotions and starts to sympathize with people and his struggle with that would be pretty cool. But it's being written by David cage and you also play as Robo MalcolmX and Sexbot with emotions. Can't wait for the play through though.

Memory Cwearing, oh wait wrong meme David cage is just a function, nobody remembers beyond two souls anyway, There you go!

"Hes a robot, it wouldnt do anything" if my roomba can stop working after falling off a table, an android can die after falling off a building.

“Pulling a Kenny” You mean the guy where a baby had to DIE for people to get on his side lmao

From what I'm hearing in this video the plot of Detroit become human seems to be the same freakin plot as Ergo Proxy!

The holograms recreating the scene is just like Arkham origins crime scenes

Matt really should have gone to bat for woolie on this one, because he's experienced this before with Azura's Wrath, that feeling of "god damn it, why does some really cool stuff in this bad game make it rad but not salvageable >.< "

If the main character is an Android (and if it has a computer consciousness), is David Cage just gonna rip off his own body switching mechanic from welcome in Omikron?

“Indigo Prophecy was David Cage’s unfiltered brain.” What does that make Omikron, Griffin?

Android with hand ants is too stronk

I'm kind of ok with Plague replacing Liam as the 4th Zaibatsu member.

They need Plague on more often His "swinging DDT" comment had me laughing good

A podcast with Plague is the best.

Does David Cage's writing have any promise at all? At all? Why do people keep coming back? Why do we let the Zaibatsu keep going back?

Oh my god. This was amazing. Them finally figuring out David Cage is french(....ier?) Tommy Wiseau just blew my mind

jesus christ amazing this is on the front first page search for detroit become human

Androids are a failure of the game desiger

The fact that the main character dies completing the mission for the demo sounds like Nier Automata. And if David Cage even dares to rip off Nier Automata he should be crucified

I wonder how the guys felt about the fact that Woolie was right on this one

I find it interesting how they just bash the opening sequence of Detroit cause after the game came out it is easily the best scene in the entire game

I feel like they somehow completely misunderstood this moment, while still seeing what happened

Plague is a delight.

19:25 hmmmm

If someone is holding a gun to someone else's head wouldn't sprinting towards them be the worst move?

2:07 woolie it’s a hostage negotiation, you need to know things about them. 3:11 the gun is a gun, it’s so they do t just light him up. C’mon

3:05 who shoots a man before throwing him off a building

32:47 right after mat says sex is good!

Woolie still piss about heavy rain.

"David Cage is a good salesman." This is pretty much David in a nutshell; his games are terrible, but he's good at advertising them. Hell, he tricked David Bowie, Ellen Page, and Willem Dafoe.

No crime eating?

OK so... the "Mission Complete" thing... that already happens in freaking Gundam Wing. So once again, it's just David seeing a "trope" or something in a movie or something and ripping it off with no real understanding in how it works.

What people don't get about Uwe Boll is that he doesn't give a flying fuck about videogames and only makes those movies to rein in cash for his "true" works. Now, I don't condone that either, but if you need to shit on him, do it because of that, and not because you think his movies are shit per se. Also maybe go watch Darfur or Rampage.

I'm always concerned that I'm gonna turn out like a bad writer or director or whatever da fuq David Cage calls himself, I mean he's in the creepazoid club with Itagaki, and the CosbySuite guys, but again, always concerned that I'm going to make significant faux pas and not realize it.

man this needs pat..

So basically hes george lucas in the original trilogy? rein him in

Jesus Fucking Christ Plague. Just because something sucks doesn't mean things have to suck so completely that Woolie was tricked into thinking an element of a bad thing was cool.

I think David Cage's games are terrible, but I don't see anything wrong with people liking it, since at the end of the day what you like is a subjective thing.

David cages are a failure to the game designer....

It's funny because the game turned out pretty good

I’d like to point out the crux of the investigators story is whether he should use his heightened sense of intelligence to be a free thinker or not. So, no. No “forcing him to be an android” shit here.

I will recommend Beyond to anyone, I love that game a whole lot.

Isn't Heavy Rain still technically better than most Telltale games and Life Is Strange? Given that your choices can actually affect how the game ends and not some mediocre middling plot-line that has nothing to do with the overall story like most of these have been?

'sigh' i love these guys, but i love David Cage as well, and that puts me in a confusing area of interest. I genuinely enjoyed Heavy Rain, it certainly has its problems but it's one of my favourite games of all time. I've seen all of Best Friend's Cage LPs as well as the Woolie live stream. And I am up to date with everything that has been released about Detroit, and it annoys me severely that both Woolie and Matt seem to have not seen ANYTHING about Detroit despite harshly criticising it and only because its a Cage game. The demo Woolie talks about was shown a whole year ago at last year's E3 so there should have been enough time for them to appropriately view this (which i think they only did once on their 2016 E3 livestream). This demo clearly indicates that the android Connor is both a detective and hostage negotiator, and he's analysing the crime scene despite the crime still being taken place BECAUSE he's trying to collect Info on the rogue android, hostage etc. in order to have a successful negotiation. This scene even highlights a system where you SHOULDN'T analyse the scene too long BECAUSE THE HOSTAGE SITUATION/CRIME IS STILL BEING TAKEN PLACE! The game literally explains and debunks their criticisim!

Why don’t these guys write an actual game or something? Continuity in normal writing is hard enough, imagine writing with branching paths in mind...

Also, you couldn’t be farther from the “details don’t matter” and “David Cage is just putting what he thinks is good and bad into his games.” It’s the opposite, actually. He’s lamented the fact that he’s been forced to add action scenes to the games that were just supposed to either be about life (Heavy Rain, Beyond) or being forced to remove the elements that tie everything together (Indigo Prophecy) by Sony. He’s talked about this a bit, but almost all of the shit that you guys have problems with were forced on him by Sony. Take Indigo Prophecy, for example. That game was fucked with to the Nth degree by Sony. First off, they made it go from 4 disks to 1, despite Cage making the scenes out of order to try and convince them to let him keep his huge budget. (This also removed the “Television show” style it was supposed to initially have.) They also told him to make a “Shaq-esque comic relief man”, because they didn’t want the game to be “too dark.” Their meddling got to its worst point in Beyond. First, they told him to make the scenes out of order, probably so that the action wouldn’t be backloaded in the plot, since all of the action occurs near the end. Then, David said that the army and fight scenes WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE GAME AT ALL. We were supposed to simply get a story about a girl trying to live a regular life, despite Aiden screwing around with her life, to which he followed up with “Sony won’t fund the projects if they don’t have fight scenes, as they’re afraid they won’t sell well.” So, they basically fucked around with the entirety of the game’s plot. It’s also partly why Heavy Rain was the best one of his games by far. Yes, he supernatural aspects were cut, leaving some plot holes, but aside from that and Shaun’s age, the only big fuck around they gave him was canceling almost all of the DLC he had planned for Heavy Rain, in favor of shoving Move support into the game.

All this shit they talked and the game was actually not that bad.