Suzuki DR650 Neutral Sending Unit Bolt Repair

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6 жыл бұрын

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The Suzuki DR650 has a common problem with the neutral sending unit bolts backing out and causing damage to the engine. A good indication to help you know if your motorcycle is having this issue, is if the neutral light on the dash starts to flicker. In this video we demonstrate how to fix this problem.
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@lostinpa-dadenduro7555
@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 6 жыл бұрын
Another tip for keeping track of the case bolts is to get a piece of cardboard, draw a rough outline of the case with dots for bolt locations. As you remove a bolt, push it through the cardboard “map” in the matching position. When done your cardboard piece should have all the bolts in their correct locations. When reassembling remove a bolt from the cardboard and put in the matching location on the actual case.
@warrensalter2706
@warrensalter2706 6 жыл бұрын
LostInPA thats what i do.
@mur63031
@mur63031 4 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Have been doing that for years. And you can even put a strip of masking tape over the bolt heads to make sure they don't fall out when you accidentally step on them.
@mmcalifornia8600
@mmcalifornia8600 10 сағат бұрын
Great video! To the point yet thorough.
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 10 сағат бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback and views!
@bernardvreulink2457
@bernardvreulink2457 4 жыл бұрын
I have seen many "HOW TO" videos but your video ranks among THE VERY BEST!!!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
@stevengagnon4197
@stevengagnon4197 6 жыл бұрын
100% quality instructional video! Thanks for making the time to film this.
@allenhuling598
@allenhuling598 6 жыл бұрын
Good, clear, illustration...thanks!
@michaelevans3307
@michaelevans3307 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I've been putting off doing the fix as I assumed it was going to be a PIA, however after watching this video I found doing the screws to be fairly simple. Instead of using thread-lock I went with the safety wire - 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
@mur63031
@mur63031 4 жыл бұрын
Great "How to" video - thanks ! Would sure love a hint on how to get the old gasket off the clutch cover. Mine was baked on for 13 years ! Had to pour lacquer thinner into cookie sheet, soak the clutch cover for half hour, scrape. Repeat the whole procedure several times. It added hours to the job.
@seanstrickland4970
@seanstrickland4970 3 жыл бұрын
I have to replace my clutch plates. Thank you for clear instructions.
@Apocolovids
@Apocolovids 5 жыл бұрын
Used this to get my own done. Took me a while, but I got it done. Thanks!
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome, glad the video helped out!
@KM21255
@KM21255 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! I did the job yesterday and this was a great aid. The job was pretty straightforward. I was lucky that my gasket came off attached fully to the case, so I was able to reuse it. The screws on my NSU were actually not loose at all. In fact, they even made a popping sound when I began loosening them. I think it took me about 3 hours total, as it was my first time and I was going very slow. I filled with AMsoil oil and it seems to be shifting snappier than before.
@gsabella4
@gsabella4 7 күн бұрын
Great news. I'm opening my dr this weekend to do the job, looking forward to it!
@TheSteves75
@TheSteves75 6 жыл бұрын
Extremely well done video. Very clear instructions. Thank you very much.
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
@e.s.l5861
@e.s.l5861 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial. I just used your link to buy the gasket as well as the shaft seal retainer from you guys. Both of the jobs seem like cheap insurance
@davidjenkins1568
@davidjenkins1568 2 жыл бұрын
Very thorough, thanks
@pdx650
@pdx650 3 жыл бұрын
I did see a similar video, can't remember which one, but instead of using thread locker 'red loctite', this maintainer used screws with holes in the heads of the screws and safety wired them together. Sounds like a good solution. I do safety wire every day at work and it's a proven method.
@bongodave13
@bongodave13 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Procycle sells a kit for this job with safety wire. Loctite is fine, but wire guarantees the bolts will never move.
@397coney7
@397coney7 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did both…..blue loctite and a safety wire. Some say it’s overkill, but who cares? It’s easy and cheap.
@aero5937
@aero5937 Жыл бұрын
As a aircraft machanic, you are right. Even planes like 787 uses this method in a lot of places
@stephencummins7589
@stephencummins7589 3 ай бұрын
Excellent video thanks man.
@jw8556
@jw8556 Жыл бұрын
Great instructions 👌
@latituderider
@latituderider 9 ай бұрын
Suzuki started putting threadlocker on these bolts back in 2017, so newer models probably don't need to worry about this. Posting in case a new DR owner is freaking out. 😄
@davida1679
@davida1679 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for that. May I ask you where you got this information? I have a 2019 but it still freaks me out thinking that such a small issue like this can wreck an entire motor!
@robpeters993
@robpeters993 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@leesuschrist
@leesuschrist 6 жыл бұрын
It's worth investing in a JIS screwdriver for this bike or (or any Japanese bike for that matter) because you really don't want to deal with one of those screw heads stripping out. Take it from the guy who learned the hard way..
@bmwe6xcsm913
@bmwe6xcsm913 2 жыл бұрын
4:02 wrongly specified as Philips instead of JIS. This is indeed a very good point that you made here
@utsb3220
@utsb3220 6 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to know the actuator arm on the cover is engaging the clutch push rod before you tighten the clutch case screws down?
@jembo1959
@jembo1959 6 жыл бұрын
A super video and well explained Thanks.
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 6 жыл бұрын
You bet! Thanks for watching.
@johnnyturbo8460
@johnnyturbo8460 4 жыл бұрын
VERY WELL DONE!!! Best kick stand video yet. You were clear, showed each step with out extra talking. Very simple to follow. I WILL be using this video to do mine. I ordered the kickstand repair kit from pro cycle. It comes with safety wire.
@5aPeter
@5aPeter 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the assistance in keeping our bush pigs running healthy.
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 6 жыл бұрын
Haha you got it *Danny!*
@rickybobby8224
@rickybobby8224 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Now if I weren't so lazy...
@simonf.2388
@simonf.2388 3 жыл бұрын
Same at the SP44b ? Nice Vid !!! Thanks :-)
@fujowquen
@fujowquen 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a 2014 dr 650 that I plan on doing this to. One question though, do you put loctite on the breather cover screws before reinstalling them?
@marcogonzalez7829
@marcogonzalez7829 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, it's helped. Just need to ask if after the 4 bolts are tightened up. Should the centre piece be solid and or should I be able to rotate it by hand? Because I've had 2 scenerios presented. One after the bolts were in I was able to spin the centre piece easily but but it didn't look like face plate was positioned properly. So I took it off and did it again to check and saw this time it clicked into position. But this time after tightening the bolts I can't spin the centre piece (not the funny thing that attaches the the clutch lever) anymore. So I'm wondering if this is the case, that the whole thing should be solid or not? Hope this all makes sense.
@IISHEEVAII
@IISHEEVAII 6 жыл бұрын
nice video bro.
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@marcelcanuck
@marcelcanuck 4 жыл бұрын
did my 07 today , one of the screws was out 2 turns , anybody thinking this won't happen to them . think twice ..
@tonydepaul6200
@tonydepaul6200 6 жыл бұрын
Don't remove the breather cover. It's not in the way if all you're doing is removing one neutral-sending-switch fastener at a time, applying threadlocker and reinstalling. If you were removing or replacing the switch, yeah, then the breather cover is in your way.
@NirLouk
@NirLouk 3 жыл бұрын
Better remove it. Soft sand paper the surface for improved contact.
@FlexinJump
@FlexinJump 6 жыл бұрын
that cant be philip head screws. Most of japanese bikes use JIS screws.
@DGETHIS01
@DGETHIS01 6 жыл бұрын
i learned the hard way years ago trying to remove screws with a philips PH2 bit. JIS screw bits are a must have in the tool box. the Japanese screws and bolts are made of butter if you dont have the exact size tool, they will strip
@codedirtytome7178
@codedirtytome7178 5 жыл бұрын
The recovery tool kit that comes with the bike has the correct JIS bit.
@didsombodysayskip
@didsombodysayskip 4 жыл бұрын
I JIS every time I screw.
@Law_Abiding_Citizen_ok
@Law_Abiding_Citizen_ok 4 жыл бұрын
You would have thought he knew about JIS but maybe not!!!
@leesuschrist
@leesuschrist 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone should buy a JIS screwdriver if they own a Japanese bike or you WILL end up drilling out screw heads eventually.
@NirLouk
@NirLouk 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. But will add some more info: 1. Better also softly scratch the switch surface before re-install. With some thin sand-paper. But more important - To whom having similar blinking neutral light: Is it happen only when the engine become hot? Test - is it turned back on when its cold? For me - after fixing the NSU as shown in the video, tightening and applying locktite , the problem did not disappeared. It seemed like a problem with the NSU itself, stopping to work on hot engine... Good I opened and did the above Fix, but in my case - the NSU itself was faulty.
@adriannardi9667
@adriannardi9667 Жыл бұрын
Did you happen to replace your NSU? Mine appears to be the same and I'm wondering if it is something I could attempt myself.
@gordongoodman8342
@gordongoodman8342 5 жыл бұрын
Why hasn't Suzuki addressed this known issue?
@st5pr0
@st5pr0 3 жыл бұрын
this "known" issue.... well i had 96' DR did about 40k + 20k previous owner and never had that issue ... not that known issue i guess
@googleuser9170
@googleuser9170 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like the last steel plate (closest to engine), concave washer and it's seat, and the thin wire retainer, can stay in place when the clutch basket is removed? Is that correct? It looked like it at 5:46 in the video. Thanks for the video, good job.
@NirLouk
@NirLouk 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. It is. Strange wire protection. It's there.
@Jackson.T
@Jackson.T 3 жыл бұрын
I see you used red loctite, what if you have to replace the nsu in the future?
@maxsettingsgamer1
@maxsettingsgamer1 4 жыл бұрын
How long do you think this would take a suzuki dealer to do for labor
@goaheadmakeourdayscooterpe9644
@goaheadmakeourdayscooterpe9644 3 жыл бұрын
Pro Cycle sells a complete safety wire kit for this and it's not necessary to remove the breather cover to do this.
@mattevans5812
@mattevans5812 3 жыл бұрын
It'd be hard to replace this bike. Nothing else has so many good how to videos. I've got 60,000km (37,500 miles) on mine and the clutch slipped bit today under hard acceleration at high speed (140 km/hr, 87 mph) in 4th gear. Thinking I should check the clutch and do this at the same time. Anyone try EBC CK friction discs? Maybe new stiffer clutch springs?
@richregel7150
@richregel7150 Жыл бұрын
is there a parts list somewhere?
@n40798
@n40798 4 жыл бұрын
Do the new DR650s also have this problem?
@DWRifleman
@DWRifleman 6 жыл бұрын
I'll safety wire my NSU screws. I don't trust thread locker inside my engine.
@Desertduleler_88
@Desertduleler_88 4 жыл бұрын
I have to agree, that's a more permanent solution.
@pdx650
@pdx650 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I just saw this after making the same idea.
@jayjohnston2821
@jayjohnston2821 4 жыл бұрын
Should not need high strength Thread Lock? Medium is fine Make it so much more difficult if you do have a strip down to do later Also just a drop on each bolt is plenty AND the breather cover screws!
@AdvMatthew
@AdvMatthew 3 жыл бұрын
Is that lock washer reusable?
@kalikiter1
@kalikiter1 5 жыл бұрын
this a prob for the 2018 model?
@jamiecorbett7200
@jamiecorbett7200 4 жыл бұрын
I dont want to state the obvious but I'm going to. Why.....doesn't suzuki fix this problem. How many people want to have to buy all that extra tools,etc to fix a problem that suzuki should. Not to mention someone who doesn't have the capabilities to do the work is gonna have to pay for it Is suzuki gonna pay for the labor cost....I doubt it. Fix the problem suzuki. Then I'll by a dr. Thanks
@TwoUpTourer
@TwoUpTourer 2 жыл бұрын
They did - they now use loctitie on the NSU bolts. Only 20 years late.
@johnh_pnw
@johnh_pnw 4 жыл бұрын
It's hard to believe that after all this time Suzuki wouldn't have thought about this
@397coney7
@397coney7 2 жыл бұрын
@4:02…..anyone know what part number or name of that brown plastic gear is?? Thanks!
@doublex632
@doublex632 6 жыл бұрын
So no need to use wire and bolts, just the high strength thread locker?
@DGETHIS01
@DGETHIS01 6 жыл бұрын
yes thread locker should suffice
@Unknown_Noise
@Unknown_Noise 3 жыл бұрын
I'm about to fix this problem on my xf 650. It's almost the same motor and same problem.
@securitylined
@securitylined Жыл бұрын
Any ball park number of miles at which to start thinking about this? I have a new 2023 I just bought a few weeks ago
@bigleftlcn
@bigleftlcn Ай бұрын
You don't need to, Suzuki started doing it in 2017
@cornholius
@cornholius 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard a first hand case of a worst case scenario for the screws coming loose, but I'd like to know what could happen
@ridenm7748
@ridenm7748 2 жыл бұрын
It's possible those screws get caught in the transmission, the bike locks up, engine gets destroyed, the rider gets yeeted off a mountain.
@vladbirta7057
@vladbirta7057 5 жыл бұрын
Its the same like dr600?
@warrensalter2706
@warrensalter2706 6 жыл бұрын
does the dr650 engine feature gear shift indication?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing more than a green neutral light :) ... Justin
@grandewu8515
@grandewu8515 3 жыл бұрын
The tool on the left side (I don't mean key) have a special name? In 5:41
@ibrahindiaz6872
@ibrahindiaz6872 3 жыл бұрын
Does all years have the same issue. Should I do it to my 2017 dr650?
@supersiete1
@supersiete1 3 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere else that Suzuki addressed this issue in 2017 models..
@OhioPrepperOne
@OhioPrepperOne 6 жыл бұрын
Does the DRZ400S also need this fix?
@DGETHIS01
@DGETHIS01 6 жыл бұрын
the drz 400 has separate concerns regarding the stator bolts that tend to need thread lock applied like the dr650 NSU bolts. i think this is suzukis way of making sure people keep buying bikes :) other known issues of the drz 400 are :steering stem bearings, wheel bearings, swing arm bearings, swing arm bolt tend to be left without hardly a drop of grease applied to them from the factory. these can be taken care of in a day. once a year apply grease and the bearings will last for years to come. Kick stand kill switch & Clutch kill switch should be removed once you are comfortable with the bike. these switches are silly and can leave you wondering why your bike wont start. the drz 400 petcock can potentially leak over the years, replace with a manual petcock (yamaha raptor will do) i may be forgetting another potential problem that can be fixed but thats the jist of it. the drz400 and dr 650 are great bikes with little maintenance and reliable machines.
@steelmilkjug
@steelmilkjug 4 жыл бұрын
WARNING: Do NOT use 7ft-lbs on the clutch cover bolts like this video says. These are standard 6mm bolts only rated for 4ft-lbs. If you use 7ft-lbs like this video says, you will probably snap off the bolt in the engine case, just like I did using UNDER 7ft-lbs with a torque wrench.... just a word of experience. 7ft-lbs is for the oil cooling hose connection on the side.... NOT the clutch cover bolts. If you use 7ft-lbs, be ready to order new M6x35mm bolts from suzuki and have some bolt extractor bits on hand because you'll need them ;)
@johnrogers5825
@johnrogers5825 4 жыл бұрын
So what does Suzuki say? What does the manual say? If you are correct then this important info needs to be shown or the vid changed.
@johnrogers5825
@johnrogers5825 4 жыл бұрын
I checked internet and best I come up with is tighten to 6Nm or 4.42 lbs/ft. Use loctite blue, and keep checking for a month for peace of mind. The NSU screws loosen due to the cover heating and enabling the screws to loosen, but whatever, just fix the issue and be safe.
@steelmilkjug
@steelmilkjug 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnrogers5825 In most cases, when a torque is needed, the manual says it in the section for that particular install, right next to the pictures. But in the case of the clutch cover bolts, there is no specified torque listed in the part of the instructions where it has you reinstalling the clutch cover, so you have to find the size and type of the bolt (standard m6) and find it in the general bolt size torque chart. Even there, there are two m6 type bolts listed, regular and hardened. The weaker or "standard" m6 bolt torque listed there is 4ft-lbs. Rocky Mountain ATV's dr650 ATV video says 7ft-lbs, which is for the stronger m6 bolts, not these standard ones. If you use 7ft-lbs like Rocky Mountain says, you'll break bolts. You have to read the manual carefully and discover it's a regular m6 bolt and use the chart correctly and only use 4ft-lbs. So technically, the suzuki manual is correct, but it's not very obvious and people such as Rocky Mountain often make the mistake of thinking it's 7ft-lbs which will break bolts.
@steelmilkjug
@steelmilkjug 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnrogers5825 Yes, 4ft-lbs on the clutch cover bolts would be safe. This video says 7ft-lbs but that snapped my bolts. The Suzuki manual is technically correct because it does not list a torque in the clutch cover install section....instead, you have to know it's a Standard m6 bolt, and you have to use the generic bolt torque reference chart in the manual which says those type bolts are 4ft-lbs. People mistakenly think its the "hardened" m6 bolts and try to torque it to 7ft-lbs and break bolts. But if you read the manual carefully and know what kind of bolts these are, you'll see the manually actually says to use 4ft-lbs not 7 like this video says. I was working off this video and snapped a clutch cover bolt at less than 7ft-lbs. I bought a new one and used 4ft-lbs and everything's perfect. No leaks. The manual was a little unclear, but techinically correct if you read it carefully and don't make assumptions.
@johnrogers5825
@johnrogers5825 4 жыл бұрын
@@steelmilkjug It is a shame that Suzuki doesn't explain and detail things exactly for the millions of dollars they make. Many companies are like this too.
@jamiecorbett194
@jamiecorbett194 5 жыл бұрын
I'm considering getting a dr 650 next year. But seeing this mess makes me think twice. Perhaps Suzuki should remedy the problem.
@TheWinger1008
@TheWinger1008 4 жыл бұрын
Every mfg has it's little idiosyncrasies. Trust me this is an easy one to fix.
@vincentscott6168
@vincentscott6168 3 жыл бұрын
A tiny problem in an otherwise bulletproof bike.
@ridenm7748
@ridenm7748 2 жыл бұрын
If you get an 2017 model and up Suzuki finally started putting locktite on these bolts
@nolaneads2826
@nolaneads2826 3 жыл бұрын
Love the content, however money spent on backgrounds and appearances are insignificant compared to the genuine and helpful commentary. Authenticity is everything
@aero5937
@aero5937 Жыл бұрын
Guys, be extra careful with that plastic gear. Mine broke and clogged a oil line that goes to the camshaft.
@MFP2241
@MFP2241 5 жыл бұрын
Isn't that too much red Loctite for those threads? It could be a pain to take them off later if needed.
@louiewatson9389
@louiewatson9389 4 жыл бұрын
Nah.
@Unknown_Noise
@Unknown_Noise 3 жыл бұрын
I did everything exactly as in the video. Now the bike has lost its power. Where could I go wrong ?
@NirLouk
@NirLouk 3 жыл бұрын
Problematic installing the clutch plates?
@Unknown_Noise
@Unknown_Noise 3 жыл бұрын
@@NirLouk No problems. The previous owner replaced the entire clutch a year ago. I think I made a mistake with the assembly. I just don't know where.
@NirLouk
@NirLouk 3 жыл бұрын
@@Unknown_Noise maybe the order of the plates? If they are not in the right order it can cause an issue. Other possibilities - weak springs. Wrong torque on springs.
@Unknown_Noise
@Unknown_Noise 3 жыл бұрын
@@NirLouk I was keeping an eye on the order of the plates. Wrong torque on springs - this could be it because I screwed on without a torque wrench. Many thanks for your interest. You helped me a lot.
@gavinblack7154
@gavinblack7154 5 жыл бұрын
What even is a netraul sending unit?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 5 жыл бұрын
The neutral sending unit is a device that sends a signal to the neutral indicator light on your dash letting you know when your bike is in neutral.
@gavinblack7154
@gavinblack7154 5 жыл бұрын
@@rmatvmc oh,do the older ones like 2007 or so have them?thanks
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, every DR650 will have one even going back to when they were first released in 1990!
@kimhyeongabae
@kimhyeongabae Жыл бұрын
3:45 What is a tool?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc Жыл бұрын
That is a ratcheting wrench with a flex-head.
@jimfeldman4035
@jimfeldman4035 Жыл бұрын
those screws aren't philips: they're JIS and they're more likely to cam out if you use philips
@Me-yh4uc
@Me-yh4uc 4 жыл бұрын
Can you just remove the switch? I don’t care about a neutral light.
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
Sure you can!
@materna5572
@materna5572 4 жыл бұрын
Can't you just remove it completely from the engine?
@rmatvmc
@rmatvmc 4 жыл бұрын
If you don't mind not having a neutral light, you can remove the whole assembly.
@materna5572
@materna5572 4 жыл бұрын
@@rmatvmc I don't need neutral light. It will be safer if I delete everything:) Thanks. Cheers.
@duchtdixon894
@duchtdixon894 Жыл бұрын
Di che anno e
@johnhamilton2680
@johnhamilton2680 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is out of my paygrade.
@ToxicF4TE
@ToxicF4TE 6 жыл бұрын
this looks like a pain in the ass
@special_shred
@special_shred 4 жыл бұрын
It's really not unless your impatient. You know what is a pain in the ass? A screw coming loose and destroying your engine
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