Sven or Faendal | Skyrim Lore

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Today I want to talk about the most important decision that can affect the very fabric of mundus and maybe even beyond, a question that will cause ripples in both the past and future, and a question that will change the destiny of both man and worm. Who deserves Camilla Velarius, Sven, or Faendal?
Intro - 0:00
The Quest - 1:25
Sven - 3:35
Faendal - 5:59
Camilla - 7:54
Who deserves Camilla? - 10:16
Outro - 12:41

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@thediamonddab7270 9 ай бұрын

I just marry her myself while faendal watches the wedding

@argonianale5716 9 ай бұрын

Assert your dominance 🗿

@ryanhau1073 9 ай бұрын

Screw the Bro Code

@DarkrarLetsPlay 9 ай бұрын

LOL YOU CUCKED HIM

@Spiffington 9 ай бұрын

You need to kill him or she will cheat on you with him.

@Nehauon 9 ай бұрын

Guessing Sven is dead?

@deltasubliminals5315 9 ай бұрын

Does Sven train your archery to 50 for free? No he does not

@yolkonut6851 9 ай бұрын

But he's got some sick tunes

@tristanwallen5225 9 ай бұрын

But he is the only bard follower in the game

@1th_to_comment. 9 ай бұрын

@@tristanwallen5225 Faendal realizes how powerful archery is.

@yolkonut6851 9 ай бұрын

@@1th_to_comment. faendal's got nothing on Aela, maybe Bosmer aren't such great hunters after all

@palamedes4740 9 ай бұрын

Spoken like someone who didint watch the whole thing

@Galimeer5 9 ай бұрын

They both write fake letters from the other telling her off, and when some random dude she doesn't even know delivers one of the letters, she just accepts it at face value and ghosts the person who ostensibly did nothing wrong in that iteration of events. Think about that. You're competing for a woman's attention with another guy. She seems to be reciprocating to both of you until one day, she just stops talking to you for no reason. Somehow you find out the other guy wrote her a fake letter from you...and she didn't even confront you about it? She just accepted that one of the guy's who's been flirting with her the past week(?) would just out of the blue treat her like garbage? "Sven's" letter says he's going to treat her like a trophy house wife who does all the chores while he fucks off and "Faendal's" letter says courting an imperial like her will "befoul his bloodline" and she needs to accept her people's place -- subservient to the Aldmeri Dominion. And she just believes the fake letter immediately? Both men are scum and Camilla is so shallow that she falls for their schemes without any hesitation. They're all awful.

@babyqeels 9 ай бұрын

I play as a woman so that quest makes a lot more sense for me LOL

@marcozanella9850 9 ай бұрын

You forgot the best part: simply equip an amulet of Mara after retrieving the claw, and she'll just marry you right away...

@BigHatLoganGaming 9 ай бұрын

What's funny is sven didn't even get the type of elf right

@moonblaze2713 9 ай бұрын

@@BigHatLoganGamingSon of Valenwood? No, he got wood elf right. I assume you're confused by the Aldmeri Dominion bit, but that's because Valenwood is currently part of the Dominion. It all tracks.

@crazydicelady6117 9 ай бұрын

See, when I do this quest, I just take whoever gives me the fake letter first and nark on them immediately to her. It's the most immersive way for me.

@zeeouellette1707 9 ай бұрын

The fact that Faendal’s letter is just “Sven’s a little baby boy” and Sven’s letter is “FAENDAL IS A NA*I”

@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201 9 ай бұрын

The thing is Faendal is probably right lol

@dartagnanlemos 9 ай бұрын

Exactly!!!!!

@FluffySylveonBoi 9 ай бұрын

What does Nai even mean?

@i.hate.swedish.ISRAELUBERALLES 9 ай бұрын

NAZI @@FluffySylveonBoi

@craig2196 9 ай бұрын

There's a missing Z hint hint.

@aryakapur2229 9 ай бұрын

The third option is that ultimately both Sven and Faendal become tired of trying to rizz up Camilla, so they marry each other instead.

@darrienjones8917 9 ай бұрын

Ah the secret ending

@BigHatLoganGaming 9 ай бұрын

I could actually be convinced that faendal doesn't understand homosexuality is a thing and assumed that the feelings he gets while looking at sven are just jealousy

@justcallmeoreooo 9 ай бұрын

@@BigHatLoganGamingomg this is my new favorite skyrim head canon

@ashwolf2006 9 ай бұрын

"Bro's before Hoes!" and what MxR always says "Camilla is a whore"

@erukaseven 9 ай бұрын

The boys in hate with each other.

@omegothic 9 ай бұрын

faendal and sven should kiss

@GlennSkywalker2305 9 ай бұрын

Plot twist Sven and Faendal secretly are dating

@ryanhau1073 9 ай бұрын

Would be funny if that what happens if the Player marries Camilla

@wizzolizzo1064 8 ай бұрын

They should do more than kiss

@omegothic 8 ай бұрын

@@wizzolizzo1064you're so real for that

@danny8284 6 ай бұрын

@@wizzolizzo1064hold hands? how scandalous!

@lancea.mcmillen7856 9 ай бұрын

You left out the fact that if you play as a male character, Camilla flirts with you pretty much immediately. She clearly doesn't have real feelings for either of them, or if she does, she's pretty disloyal.

@absolutelydegenerate1900 9 ай бұрын

I forgot about that, yeah even as an Argonian she’s still trying to hop on your dick

@DeadDancers 9 ай бұрын

Feelings alone aren’t enough to expect loyalty. If she wasn’t in a relationship with either of them and has to think about her prospects, flirting with any man as part of assessing them/opening up the option for continued assessment would be a very reasonable expectation, I think.

@plaguedoctorjeff857 9 ай бұрын

@@DeadDancers It honestly sounds like she's just courting men, which nothing is wrong with

@ZionistJew-oj1bo 9 ай бұрын

@@plaguedoctorjeff857yes there is something wrong with it, shes a Whore. No respectable man wants a woman who is a fling. Where those women end up in real life saying is Karma lmfao, single mother life lol.

@bandawin18 9 ай бұрын

The only reason for that is the whole golden claw mission making you be viewed favorably by Lucan and Camilla. That's literally it

@Kuhboose1 9 ай бұрын

Idk, I think Faendal seems like the better person, even if he is a bit of a creep about it. He thought the most icrimnating thing he could put on Sven was to make him out to be someone who would treat camilla like a slave. Sven's idea of smearing faendal was to use his race against him and claim that he's part of an oppressive regime. That's a pretty stark difference. Neither is good, but Faendal is arguably better as a person.

@goatslayer3160 9 ай бұрын

The fact Sven still lives with his mom shows he isn't very independent, and he probably *would* treat Camila like that. Also what would happen if they did get together? Would she move in with him and his mom? Faendal said he rarely shows up for his actual job, and according to Hod, when he does he's drunk. Faendal, while not perfect, has his own home and hunts his own food, he's obviously the better choice.

@jackofastora8962 9 ай бұрын

“Treating someone like a housewife is worse than calling them a lesser subservient race” Imo both are equally scummy dudes, but at least Sven writes in “we can still be friends :]”

@MoostachedSaiyanPrince 9 ай бұрын

The real irony of the letter Faendol writes is that despite it basically stating "Sven" just wants her as a housewife while he goes adventuring, Camilla only seems to hate that idea when it comes from Sven, because she's perfectly happy doing exactly that when she marries the player. Meaning that she doesn't hate the idea of fulfilling the role Sven wants for her, she just won't do it for Sven. So I lean towards Faendol, not just because he can get my archery skill up for free very early, but because I genuinely think he has a better chance with her, since Camilla's revulsion to being Sven's stay at home wife is so severe despite her being fine with doing that for the player.

@Kuhboose1 9 ай бұрын

@jackofastora8962 that letter doesnt describe treating someone like a housewife. That letter describes wanting an indentured servant who does your bidding and you dont have an inkling of respect for, though you claim to love them. Besides, not my point. The worst thing that Faendal could think to say was that sven wouldnt respect camilla herself as a wife and partner, showing he actually cares about her as a person and how she'd be treated as a wife. Sven was blatantly racist, using Faendal being an elf against him. Those are two very different approaches that say a lot.

@jackofastora8962 9 ай бұрын

@@Kuhboose1 as the person above your reply said, she does the exact same thing for the Dragonborn if they get married, so what would you call that? And what would that make camilla since she just accepts Sven’s fake letter at face value and never talks to faendal about it? As I said, they are both equally as scummy, but it’s very clear that what faendal wrote is just the standard of marriage in the world of Skyrim, and what sven wrote is just how the vast majority of people view elves. So the argument isn’t “who’s worse” it’s “what’s deemed more acceptable in the world of Skyrim” which, when put into context makes all three of them even more shallow people.

@melma2753 9 ай бұрын

I always thought both of them were kinda scummy, so i just betray the first one of them that approches me, and let RNG decide Camillas future.

@ldcraig2006 9 ай бұрын

I agree, they're both creeps, although Faendal is a good companion to take with you into Bleak Falls Barrow early on. That said, I think their ways of wooing leave a lot to be desired, and I generally just ignore both of them and move on to Whiterun.

@Miss_Camel 9 ай бұрын

Same. And she’s thirsty af every time I walk past, so I figure she doesn’t particularly care who she ends up with. Although, on this play through I guess I helped Sven, and it gave me the option of having him as a follower, which had never even occurred to me before, and it was a real help! After a few raids (once I could afford Jenassa), I sent him back home to Camilla with better armor than he started with, hope he’s not dead…

@brandonkirk5236 9 ай бұрын

@@Miss_CamelKeep an eye on him. I helped him and a few in-game weeks later I got a letter of Inheritance saying he died. I was wondering how It could possibly happen when he never leaves town, wolves never attack. Then I remember a particular sneaky wood elf who is good at archery. The tree hugger assasinated my bard friend, an act of passion? Idk, I broke in his house while Faendal slept and avenged Sven myself.

@Miss_Camel 9 ай бұрын

@@brandonkirk5236 omg what a sore fucking loser that dude is!! I’ve been feeling a bit thirsty myself, maybe I’ll stop by riverwood and pay him a visit. He is pretty cute, you COULD call him a “snack”. Delicious AND nutritious! 🧛🏻‍♀️

@olvustin6671 9 ай бұрын

@@ldcraig2006man, I would do that if I didn't have an obsession to finish all quests

@IsetMeritAmon 9 ай бұрын

I usually ignore this quest altogether because I dislike all three of them, BUT if I'm in the mood for it, I always support Faendal, simply because Sven's letter is way more damaging for Faendal, in my opinion. If word came out of what he supposedly said there, it could potentilly get him into trouble with everyone else, not just Camilla. To me also, the fact that Sven's mother is such a r4cist, and that he decided to portray Faendal as such in that letter, makes me think that Sven himself is one as well. Lol I know it's giving it too much though, but if I'm getting serious with it, fvck Sven, honestly

@iNC0GNEGRO 9 ай бұрын

Actual based take

@babyqeels 9 ай бұрын

Yeah I hate them both for being deceitful, but I was thinking the same about the letters, Sven’s makes Faendal sound a lot worse and seems either racist or just very ignorant to what his words could do

@MamaMOB 9 ай бұрын

Yes. All of that. Is that a lot?

@goatslayer3160 9 ай бұрын

He portrayed someone he didn't like as a yahtzee in order to ruin their life. Sven would love Twitter!

@james739123 7 ай бұрын

It's why when I do this quest, I talk to Sven first, so Faendal has the fake letter from Sven and can use it as leverage against him if he tries anything.

@marcnolan2409 9 ай бұрын

If we take out the factor of who the better follower is then the answer is obvious neither of them deserve Camilla since they both attempt to manipulate her

@NoName-mi8js 9 ай бұрын

On the other hand, Camilla doesn't confront either of them about the letter, and just automatically assumes the letter is from them.

@darrienjones8917 9 ай бұрын

@@NoName-mi8jsSo in a way that helps it work itself out. They all deserve each other cus they are all horrible people

@tainadeoliveira 9 ай бұрын

Tbh she gets what she deserves too. They are all awful to one another

@thlydd 9 ай бұрын

@@NoName-mi8js She will also incessantly flirt with any male player character- Meaning that she's either uncaring of who she's with or is basically the village bicycle in her desire to "have excitement and adventure"

@DemonaConsie 8 ай бұрын

Honestly Camilla is just as bad really. Stringing them along for her own ego and amusement. There's a line she says to you if you're playing as a female, "The men here like my attention, and I like theirs. Best know your place." It kind of makes me want to punch her in the face.

@sakurasensations4786 9 ай бұрын

I usually help Faendal because in all honesty… Sven just has a douchier vibe. I also took Faendal as a follower one time but accidentally killed him with a fire storm scroll while fighting some ice wraiths because I was really close to death, and then got a letter from Sven thanking me for killing him and that bothered me so much that I traveled all the way back to Riverwood, lock picked my way into Sven’s house, crouched down (my build was stealth archery so I obviously wasn’t seen), waited until night, and then head shot him. Part of me was hoping I’d get a nonsensical letter from Faendal thanking me for that, but alas… Unfortunately not lol There wasn’t really a point to that story, I just wanted to tell it lmao

@MochicoArtemis 6 ай бұрын

y'know, Stealth Archery lacks in the pride and entertainment department

@preacherofmusic 6 ай бұрын

Faendal's gonna send you a letter from Elf Sovngarde thanking you for mercing Sven lmao

@preacherofmusic 6 ай бұрын

@@MochicoArtemis To you possibly, I was a heavy weapon heavy armor runner for the longest time until I said fuck it and went stealth archer and I loved every secod of it, I still do it occasionally too

@MochicoArtemis 6 ай бұрын

@@preacherofmusic I guess you're just another one of those people who have no sense in pride or entertainment

@MochicoArtemis 6 ай бұрын

@@preacherofmusic oh yeah, you clearly don't play the game honorably, if you like playing as a stupid Stealth Archer

@yolkonut6851 9 ай бұрын

Best option: get the letter from whoever you like the least and tell Camilla the truth.

@whensomethingcriesagain 6 ай бұрын

Tell one about the other's letter, then tell her the truth about the second guy's letter

@thehonoredone2361 9 ай бұрын

Faendal has a job, good at Archery, nice guy. Sven... alright singer, kinda of a bugger, and lives with his mom. You can tell she prefers the elvish bow to Sven's tiny lute.

@HJHWolf 9 ай бұрын

Actually, Sven works in mill, although he drinks too much that he is absent often 😂

@Mr-tu4cj 9 ай бұрын

A nice guy wouldn’t try to manipulate a woman he loves! I get what you mean though. Sven is definitely not as polite, but I’d say both Sven and Faendal are assholes, and neither deserves Camilla’s affection.

@oaktreeholler 9 ай бұрын

I'd imagine, in the long run, she'd probably want the independent huntsman elf over the basement dwelling musical nord. Faendal probably has the better paying job in this midieval style world. Both are flawed characters, but aren't we all.

@ashwolf2006 9 ай бұрын

@@Mr-tu4cjSven's is the bigger asshole on the two. If you ever read Sven's fake letter he intends to not just make faendal look bad, but he ourrights goes out of his way to destroy the guys life and reputation as falsely accuses faendal of being a thalmor spy.

@AroAceGamer 9 ай бұрын

Even more so, Faendal's fake letter isn't actually that far off from the mark about Sven, maybe an exaggeration, but Sven's fake letter is an outright dangerous character assassination towards Faendal.

@chuckleberryflin 9 ай бұрын

Sven's a pretty good choice if you need a Boethiah sacrifice

@LoneSilverW0lf 9 ай бұрын

That’s pretty much the only reason I side with him. Make an otherwise pointless follower marginally useful.

@josel317 9 ай бұрын

That's a good idea, I just got one of those hirelings

@MochicoArtemis 6 ай бұрын

so is Faendel

@preacherofmusic 6 ай бұрын

Mister Molag is also a runner-up for "Come sacrifice a dumbass to me."

@chadalpha7983 5 ай бұрын

Who takes care of his mom if you do that?

@gooderambles 9 ай бұрын

I'm kind of mad that Faendal isn't a romance option. Not only are there no wood elf marriage candidates, But Faendal is just a solid companion who has a lot to offer the player. Also, he looks great in shirtless fur armor.

@rockowlgamer631 9 ай бұрын

I believe I married him on my second playthrough so it should be possible.

@guitarmama06 9 ай бұрын

@gooderambles OMW! I thought I was one who put Faendal in shirtless fur armor. Something about him wearing the fur skirt, a gold enchanted necklace, hide bracers and with his arms crossed, just staring at you...ooh lala! 😂 (I also do that with Marcurio, but that's neither here nor there)

@gooderambles 9 ай бұрын

@@rockowlgamer631 Not without mods or console commands.

@guitarmama06 9 ай бұрын

@rockowlgamer631 must be with mods then. In vanilla, he's unmarriageable. All the online sources also say he can't marry the player.

@gooderambles 9 ай бұрын

@@guitarmama06 While I adore Marcurio, he doesn't really look good shirtless. He's so skinny that he barely has any muscle on him and the fit doesn't work. He's still a great sidekick with amazing DPS and funny one-liners, which is why I've married him so many times over the years.

@chrissaunders2152 9 ай бұрын

It seems suspicious that Sven comes off as pretty simple, yet understands the political conflict between Cyrodil and the Aldmari Dominion well enough to use it in his letter. I believe Hilda helped him write the letter, as he already had it when we approach him.

@eanaz79 9 ай бұрын

He's a bard, and Skyrim's bards are expected to be well-read.

@GenericProtagonist7 9 ай бұрын

Sven didn't go to collage for you to besmirch his intelligence.

@KimberlyKjellberg 9 ай бұрын

I used to go for Faendal. But now I go with neither and just stay out of their drama. I tried marrying Camilla once, never again, she just went on and on about that claw.

@hugehappygrin 9 ай бұрын

Don't forget, her brother underhandedly accuses you of shaving the claw before handing it over. It's made of solid gold, in game, because the real thing could not be 100% gold, it need another element as a binder. Never the less, shaving was in practice when gold coins were currency. One of the problems with a gold currency, the other is that gold is denser than lead, so quite heavy.

@Matt_History 9 ай бұрын

@@hugehappygrinhe doesn't accuse the player, he makes an observation that it's 'smaller than he remembers' but clearly doesn't think you did it.

@BowserFilthFederation 9 ай бұрын

@@hugehappygrinIS THAT WHY HE SAID THAT???

@doesntgetthejoke7564 8 ай бұрын

@@BowserFilthFederationNo

@KimberlyKjellberg 8 ай бұрын

@@hugehappygrin I knew that gold shaving was a thing but for some reason that never connected for me. But that makes sense, I just briefly wondered what he was on about and moved on.

@ailius1520 9 ай бұрын

A weird thing I thought of is Faendal's occupation. Per the lore, Wood Elves have a religious taboo about harming plants in Valenwood. They're the opposite of vegans and will *only* eat animals, nor will they use any of their homeland's wood. Now this religious taboo does *not* apply to plants outside of Valenwood. Still, I do wonder about the moral code of a man who comes from a "never harm a tree. ever" culture who dices up trees for a living.

@CappyCorning 7 ай бұрын

I may be mistaken. But I'm thinking that Faendal's response would be that the real harm to the trees was when they were chopped down. He's not creating the corpse. That's already been done. He's just making it more usable. Also keep in mind not all wood elves follow The Green Pact. Especially not those who leave Valenwood.

@IfISmileWillYouPee 7 ай бұрын

Maybe hes not religious and thats why he no longer lives in Valenwood

@gh0rochi363 5 ай бұрын

Maybe he follows the nedic pantheon

@insertclevernamehere1186 9 ай бұрын

Fun fact: Sven and Talvas share the same voice actor, and due to a bug, when recruiting Sven as a follower, he will say "I'm sure Master Neloth won't mind"...

@BowserFilthFederation 9 ай бұрын

THIS HAPPENED TO ME

@leafheart3213 6 ай бұрын

I always wondered who the hell neloth was when I first played through the game. I absolutely scoured whiterun hold looking for anyone named neloth

@Joffie69 9 ай бұрын

Faendal is a stalker alright... I married Camilla and lived on Goldenhills Plantation Every now n then i would either wake up from sleeping in bed with Camilla and find Faendal standing at the end of the bed, or i would fast travel to Goldenhills and arrive in the morning to find Faendal leaving! Lets just say, I know the perfect candidate for a certain Boethia quest!

@TheGreatThicc 9 ай бұрын

See first you have him as your travelling companion for those sweet sweet free levels in Archery then kindly ask him to help you find this sick chestplate you heard about

@guitarmama06 9 ай бұрын

@Joffie69 oh man! Now I kind of wish I hadn't accidentally (on purpose) killed him. But at least you get a free bed in Riverwood, if you want to go to sleep there.

@HappyH4ppyHappy 9 ай бұрын

J’zargo has always been my favorite

@TheShadowSentinel 9 ай бұрын

Better than Aela you mean?

@lynxfangr 9 ай бұрын

The answer is that Camilla is not a prize to be won but her own (fictional) person, so neither of them DESERVES her. The correct *question* is who is BETTER for Camilla.

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

And the answer is still neither 😎

@gh0rochi363 5 ай бұрын

Boooooo buzzkill hisssssss booooooo just have fun

@StrifeSoul990 9 ай бұрын

The answer is neither. They never cate abput camillas feelings and only about themselves. She deserves better

@iNC0GNEGRO 9 ай бұрын

She doesn’t care about their feelings either. She just likes their attention. She deserves Sven. Faendal got his shxt together.

@ToharaAmah 9 ай бұрын

She does deserve Better, I agree. It's me, I'm Better lol

@kingbrennus1580 9 ай бұрын

Lol, simp.

@samflood5631 9 ай бұрын

At least marrying the Dragonborn is a much better choice for Camilla.

@captainrumia2607 9 ай бұрын

Hilda's lack of racism against orcs is an uncommon thing. They often don't get seen as being elves, and while they're sometimes seen as being a beast race, but not always. Plus, they're another proud warrior race.

@christinaedwards5084 9 ай бұрын

They’re Mer Elves are different

@TheShadowSentinel 9 ай бұрын

@@christinaedwards5084mer and elf are the same thing in Elder Scrolls.

@SorceressWitch 8 ай бұрын

@@christinaedwards5084Mer are elves and orcs in The Elder Scrolls are elves. There is even a quest to collect blood of 5 elven races and orc blood is one of the 5 elven blood types needed for the ritual to work.

@loptseldr 9 ай бұрын

"fine blonde hair" Faindal i think maybe you secretly have a bit of a thing for Sven lol. you do pay a lot of attetion to him.

@letrewiarz 9 ай бұрын

When it comes to roleplaying, I always choose Sven. After helping him with the girl, I give him a sword, armour and take him on some adventures, to make him taste combat and become a true man for his future wife. After it's time to move on, I leave him some money and a sword, so that he something to remind him of our time together.

@themotivatedmaycry9120 6 ай бұрын

I was thinking of something similar that i was going to do in my playthrough but instead have him join the blades

@luckyels3034 9 ай бұрын

The dragonborn definitely, both are sycho and even if you are too at least you're a demigod or something.

@oaktreeholler 9 ай бұрын

For me it depends on if I'm playing as an elf or not. Gotta have our elven brother's backs.

@christinaedwards5084 9 ай бұрын

As an altmer those bosmer are filthy underlings.

@TheGreatThicc 9 ай бұрын

@@christinaedwards5084as a nord... I don't know, fuck you?

@leepicbaconman1553 9 ай бұрын

As a dunmer I really don’t care for you N’wahs, just stay away from my land.

@DH-gq7bm 9 ай бұрын

I have a feeling that none of the mer have each others backs

@christinaedwards5084 9 ай бұрын

@@DH-gq7bm faendal simps for my Altmer hard 😂

@icemythic6076 9 ай бұрын

Alternatively you can show either fake letter to Faendal or Sven, or even show both to Camilla. I like how this quest has a bunch of small branches. If you want to be really "meta" about which choice you pick though, becoming friends with Sven after delivering his fake letter to Camilla allows you to take low value items from his home for free without stealing. This includes a fair amount of garlic which can offer a bunch of gold and xp if crafted into potions of regenerate health/magicka and then sold. Not a big deal if you don't mind stealing but I usually try to avoid crime unless I'm role-playing a thief/Assassin etc

@patembersouls 9 ай бұрын

The irony to me was that the fake letter from Sven sounded like your average medieval marriage. I was like “Faendal you’re actually making him look GOOD” 😂

@babyqeels 9 ай бұрын

Fr it’s literally what the Dragonborn does when they marry👀

@neoqwerty 9 ай бұрын

@@babyqeels Probably minus the fine blond hair washing, and plus "Stendarr's mercy, this is the ninth time I helped you get disgusting things out of your hair, you always come back home looking like you picked a fight with an apothecary."

@palamedes4740 9 ай бұрын

It's actually a clever way of world building showing that such gender roles are not force onto women but willigly taken

@Xxsorafan 9 ай бұрын

@@palamedes4740gender is so weird in elder scrolls. You have stuff like that but women are on equal footing with men a lot of great leaders being women too

@michaeltelson9798 9 ай бұрын

Since Sven still lives with his mother, she’ll direct the chores that Camilla will do. The new wife is the bottom tier of the family group. Hilda’s baby boy doesn’t have to do anything but what he is doing now.

@TheMuseSway 9 ай бұрын

As a female who played Skyrim when it first came out. I did hear her say that on my second run. I think she just says it just by a casual walk by. It's as she sees your female Dragonborn as a potential threat for their affections. So she deserves none or Sven. But I usually choose Faendel cause he's just more useful when you're lower level. I also just like Bosmers in general.

@austinlee4156 9 ай бұрын

Master Neloth always pondering the most important of questions!

@shiny1556 9 ай бұрын

Sven and Faendal should just start dating each other, would solve a lot of issues that way.

@tiacat11 9 ай бұрын

The enemies to lovers romance we didn't know we needed We've even got manufactured drama in Hilda being horrified at the thought of her baby boy running away with some elf!

@normalhuman9878 8 ай бұрын

I need this as a mod now

@StaticCoffee 8 ай бұрын

I thought about that too

@smackyfrog6046 9 ай бұрын

I always just give her both letters. Sell them both out

@superepicfuntime821 9 ай бұрын

You can do this? O.o

@smackyfrog6046 9 ай бұрын

@@superepicfuntime821 get the fake letter from Sven/Faendel. Give the fake to Faendel/Sven, and he'll take the first letter. THEN pickpocket the first fake letter from his inventory. You have both fake letters and you can give them to Camilla and tell her the truth or lie however you see fit.

@daakusureyaa 9 ай бұрын

У меня была история связанная со Свеном. Когда проходил игру на максимальной сложности, в самом начале игры, на меня напали головорезы в Ривервуде. В тот момент, у меня НИКОГО не было в напарниках, и никто не хотел помогать. И лишь только один Свен вступился за меня (хоть и был их раз в 10 слабее) и умер. Моё уважение.

@darkxdead 9 ай бұрын

Oh yes. MORE. We need Skyrim tea prepared by no other than Master Neloth.

@eerreerr497 9 ай бұрын

It feels like faendal actually loves camilla while sven just sees her as the town trophy

@nathanvosburgh718 9 ай бұрын

pretty much and when you talk to Sven for the first time one of his lines is like Camilla is MINE you here!!

@tiacat11 9 ай бұрын

He loves Camilla, sure, but he still won't ever talk to her. Pretty weak basis for a relationship there.

@eerreerr497 9 ай бұрын

@@tiacat11 I see where you're coming from! Maybe he's just one of those shy boys with a heart of gold? Makes me wonder now how he ended up in Riverwood and his backstory of why he's so shy but he's definitely capable of defending Camilla, despite his lack of voice I feel like if their farm or future home got raided, he would full be capable of holding them off but I they could pull off a very nice butchery of some sort But if Camilla went with sven, his silver tongue would really help out if they decided to open some sort of trade shop since she's quite experienced in trading and business ownership Thankfully they left the quest open for you to choose whoever you'd like 🫶 both seem okay in their small town circumstances

@tiacat11 9 ай бұрын

@@eerreerr497 You know what, I respect that. You're right, at the end of the day the quest is VERY open ended, and a lot of the dialogue is vague enough that you can really write whatever kind of story you want with it.

@eerreerr497 9 ай бұрын

@@tiacat11 dude exactly!!! The dialog is very vague one both ends of their relationships. You worded it so perfectly, tysm!

@althechicken9597 9 ай бұрын

sneak archer build guves you the right answer anyway. Just by their letters, you can tell faendal knows her better, and what will turn her off specifically, whereas it seems like Sven just uses High Elf stereotypes to make a Bosmer look bad. He definitely could know that through being creepy though so 🤷

@joelrobinson5457 9 ай бұрын

Bosmer and haltimer don't even look the same! High elves are racist towards Bosmer for not having long enough faces!

@yolkonut6851 9 ай бұрын

Sven would be worth it if you could ask him to play a song while adventuring.

@thelettucebarrel7784 9 ай бұрын

All three parties in this situation are kinda scummy lmao.

@kristykreme9915 9 ай бұрын

Who knew Neloth is also a master of the dark art that is love

@CoffeeSuccubus 9 ай бұрын

Dragonborn: Wrong. I'm the winner. *marries Camilla* Sven and Faendal: Bro wtf

@jazzitall 9 ай бұрын

I'm glad you're posting Skyrim analysis while everyone else switched entirely to Starfield videos. ❤

@WGGplant 9 ай бұрын

According to Svens letter, Faendal and Camila do spend time together. Likely in the inn as Sven knows about it.

@timtaylor9298 8 ай бұрын

He mentions seeing Faendal sneaking to Lucan's shop.

@jayltonsenpai 9 ай бұрын

The true awnser is that Sven and Feandal deserve each other, the hate they have for each other is love disguised because they can't accept their true feelings

@ShieniLicksOnLemons 9 ай бұрын

Faendall is actually jealous of the attention Sven gives to Camilla, and Sven is in denial of his feelings towards Faendall because of the racism he learned from his mother.

@wandauriel 9 ай бұрын

Now that would be a story 😂 But I would prefer Even to back off, I saw elf boy first!

@tristanjackson5343 9 ай бұрын

Fun fact I messed up my mod list a few days ago and I had to reinstall everything & reload order it I decided to take feandal with me for the first time since I played vanilla Skyrim a couple years ago he's a really good friend and companion I like him wood elves are friendly versus a generic Nord definitely take the elf everyday unfortunately we're not even level 10 in this playthrough and feandal is laying face down dead in the Riften jail

@tassey 9 ай бұрын

Then you can pick up Inigo.

@tristanjackson5343 9 ай бұрын

@@tassey that was the plan get that fucking blue cat and my elf boy rolling together

@pipsqueack 9 ай бұрын

What happened to Faendal ?

@poggestfrog 8 ай бұрын

@@pipsqueack Riften happened.

@tristanjackson5343 7 ай бұрын

@@pipsqueack I had a mod that populated the jails with realistic prisoners me and him were in the jails together and I tried to break out and things got messy with the realistic prisoner population they didn't take kindly to an elf boy in the prison to say the least

@thornescapes7707 9 ай бұрын

I resolve this the most ethical way, which incidentally happens to be the most strategic choice as well. First, I talk to Sven and get his horrible letter, to expose his treachery to Camilla, so that she knows him for the deceiving snake that he is! Then I take Faendal away as a companion (best option in that moment), eventually installing him at the Goldenhills Plantation as my steward... far away from Camilla. Thus, Camilla avoids Sven the liar and Faendal is removed from the picture.

@Purriah 8 ай бұрын

You can actually give her both letters. Give the one sven wrote to faendal or vice versa, he takes it and writes one which he gives to you. Pickpocket the one from the first guy back, then give Camilla both of them. You can still tell one of the guys that they don’t have to worry about the other one anymore and get a follower while they both get their karma.

@SixshotRevan 9 ай бұрын

The way I typically do this quest is to have Sven write the fake letter, tell Camilla the letter is fake and let Sven burn, and then Faendal typically gets killed by a dragon anyway. Seriously, Faendal has died in every playthrough of Skyrim I've had in the last five years.

@PotooBurd 9 ай бұрын

Love your work! Comenting for the algorithm 🌻 Solid gold comedy! 😂🏅👍 Rooting for your success!

@i-v-l9335 3 ай бұрын

That was a damn fine video all said and done. Good job.

@georged7059 9 ай бұрын

I always choose faendal so I can get archery training for free then once I’ve got a better follower I just use him for either the boethia quest, or to charge up the ebony blade, so I guess she always ends up with Sven in my play throughs anyway😂

@MezzoForte4 9 ай бұрын

Lmao, that's so fucked. 😂

@gagemcmahon9485 9 ай бұрын

It’s a good fuckin day when master neloth blesses us with some telvanni gospel

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

The ending of the words is ALMSIVI 💤

@lucifuge75 9 ай бұрын

I usually side with Sven so that I can later sacrifice him to Boethiah.

@wisygirlywopitty770 9 ай бұрын

Eheh... Smart... Never thought of that one to get ride of the competition 🤔

@robinkunze7139 9 ай бұрын

i really liked the video-idea and nice ending, it was interesting to the end. normally i skip to the good parts in videos but it was continuisly entertaining. thx for the effort you made with that

@averywhitaker3513 9 ай бұрын

The word "Deserves" in the context of the thumbnail has the mind-feel of sticking my hand in a bucket of swamp sludge

@JactheKnave 9 ай бұрын

I’m fond of the murder route. Killing either Sven or Feindal will get the other to send you a thank you note OR you can kill Camilla and have them both resent you even if no one can prove it 😂

@jedinathan 9 ай бұрын

For me its simple: The Dovahkiin is the one for Camilla, let me be frank the Dragonborn actually does a fair amount of things that are in Camilla's favor, first off the Dragonborn is honest with her and can simply choose to not side with either of the two by just not taking the quest from either of them (Or if you are me and play with a mod that expands the option, straight up tell her both of them were trying to decieve her and she dumps both) though the real point is that the Dragonborn helps her and her brother out by retrieving the Golden Claw something that Camilla herself wanted to do but Lucan wouldn't let her. Really though it boils down to the Dovahkiin being the only one who can actually marry her, the fact that you aid her with getting the Golden Claw for her and her brother, I mean whenever you talk to her after she guides you to the bridge she says "Mara bless you for agreeing to help us" and the fact that you have as the player the option to straight up not take the quest at all and court Camilla yourself tells me that she'd rather marry someone that isn't willing to break a friendship over her. Plus with my mods I've actually made a her a follower courtesy of some edits in Xedit and RDO she is actually better than both by virtue of not having a level cap just like J'zargo

@queencitysaint9600 9 ай бұрын

I chose Faendal, simply because he can train you in Archery and then you can take back your gold

@ahbraveconscript997 9 ай бұрын

there is no love triangle that some good illusion magic and a few local guards can’t fix.

@Wanettepoems 9 ай бұрын

While I'm not much of a fan of any of them (handing fake letters is really scummy), I find it quite disheartening *she* wants adventure, and you can (at least in what I used to choose before I started to just ignore them) get her together with Faendal (who seems fine living and working in his village, iirc) and then take HIM with you on your adventures?? Like... what?? That makes no sense! She wanted out into the world, and now she's supposed to be stuck in this village with an overprotective brother and a partner, yet alone, while her partner adventures? It always rubbed me the wrong way. Adventures for the win. Wouldn't it be much sweeter if you could at the very least bring them both along?

@ovp3606 9 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s part of the reason I kinda replaced Faendal with Lydia because I felt bad (and also because a melee fighter works better with a mage in combat)

@enby_sims_lover109 9 ай бұрын

I always pick Faendal, just because Sven is kinda mean to his mom when she says she sees a dragon

@Eramidas 23 күн бұрын

Sven should've been a follower that gives you speechcraft training

@DefectiveLotus 7 ай бұрын

Her dialogue if told Faendal wrote a fake letter made me think she preffered Faendal and was waiting for him to get serious/open.

@BigHatLoganGaming 9 ай бұрын

Faendals a better man overall, but I just watched sven gun down a dragon with nothing but an iron dagger and balls of dwarven brass, so I gotta commend that

@chroniclesoflaura 9 ай бұрын

I forgot about the love triangle and married her myself for some easy income 😂 Faendal died from a dragon attack not long after anyway so 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Renan.Parente 7 ай бұрын

I completely agree. Sven is a much better option. As well as being a nicer man, he makes his intentions clear and is more cultured. Sven and Camilla were already closer before the quest. Great video. :)

@mpg272727 6 ай бұрын

Sven- Annoying disrespectful unemployed ""bard"" living with his mother Faendal- Proud elf with his own home and a master marksman who often hunts and helps out at the mill Which way modern Nord?

@flabbergasted6231 9 ай бұрын

OR! Better yet, if you like neither choice, you can screw both of them over and take a letter from one and give it to the other and they will give you their letter to one up the other then go to Camilla and tell her how both guys are trying to trick her. I did that my first playthrough without realizing it was special dialogue lol. I just didn't like the backhandedness that was going on.

@marshallflorvil2593 9 ай бұрын

Fondle ftw

@kenenwankwo7393 7 ай бұрын

I've started 5+ characters in Skyrim. I've never seen these people or heard of this quest till now. 12 years after the game's release.

@markgee5951 7 ай бұрын

“I also couldn’t get to f**king happen in the game!” 🤣🤣 I like and subbed from that 1 line.

@tinolano 9 ай бұрын

Now I feel leaving her at the alter 20 times is justified.

@BluffyMoo 9 ай бұрын

Would Camilla change her mind should the DB equip either Sven or Faendal with the amulet of Mara? That would be hysterical if there were dialogues for these NPCs. And have Camilla send out hired thugs against the person who "wrote" such letter too. 😅

@GraveyardXrow 9 ай бұрын

I enjoyed this very much. I subscribed Master Neloth, and look forward to more. I have always been a bit curious to the whole quest involving reduards looking for a woman named Saadia. Feels like no one is being honest in that whole thing.

@pekk1399 9 ай бұрын

love the video your personality is awesome

@erik7586 9 ай бұрын

faendal is the best follower

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

Frea and Serana disliked that

@IamKingAegon 9 ай бұрын

Great video but giving bro a like just for pronouncing Faendal right 😂 I promise if I hear someone say "Fyiendal" one more time...

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

Here at House Telvanni we strive to correctly pronounce names and titles as accurately as possible!

@IamKingAegon 9 ай бұрын

@@masterneloth That's a W

@joshsmith752 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for another lesson Master Neloth

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

Always happy to teach!

@lokaluTheEGG 6 ай бұрын

9:28 you've caught me off guard there 💀

@ryanhau1073 9 ай бұрын

This is one of thoes quests that could have a lot more potential

@bigblue6917 9 ай бұрын

Like most if I choose to pick one I would pick Faendal because it gets you the free archery training. The fact that Camilla will take a shine to the Dragonborn shows that she is trying to increase her options which to me suggests that she is not happy with the ones she has. Anyway, I just skip this option, especially as I now use the Alternate Start, which means I am spared all of this.

@hummusmold 22 күн бұрын

4:48 Sven might not be like his mother completely, but his VA's combat lines include "Skyrim belongs to the Nords!" So the apple definitely doesn't fall far from the tree if you take those lines to be canon.

@Thunderhawk51 5 ай бұрын

I agree with literally everything. Great point of view.

@Giddog40 9 ай бұрын

The one time I married Camilla I saw Faendal leaving my house, they never found his body and the axe I used was kept in a display case so Camilla would remember that there are consequences

@Brizzle427 9 ай бұрын

Pretty sure orc are counted as elves in the elder scrolls

@bonefetcherbrimley7740 9 ай бұрын

This was great!!

@MT_800 9 ай бұрын

On an unrelated note, good choice of outro music :)

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

The Daggerfall Tavern music is an underrated banger 😎

@emilymschoener9193 9 ай бұрын

I choose Sven so I can give him fine clothes as a bard once I pass level 20

@brothers_of_nod 9 ай бұрын

I wish Sven would be to the dragonborn what Dandelion is to Geralt

@jp_ravenfire 8 ай бұрын

I like to get Sven's letter, show it to Faendal, then give his letter to Camilla. You can get both letters that way.

@Shouroboros 6 ай бұрын

I always go with option number three. Myself. Thank you, mods!

@iNC0GNEGRO 9 ай бұрын

Faendal tried to make Sven seem like a misogynist. Sven tried to make Faendal seem like, basically, an Elf Nazi. One of those is way worse. The attention seeker deserves Sven.

@thisfatgirlruns6710 9 ай бұрын

I say Faendal, because Camilla wants adventure right? So he's the best/safest option since they could venture out together.

@twinkydinky3079 9 ай бұрын

I absolutely love your videos 🎉

@derAlphabet Ай бұрын

Take a sip every time Neloth says "Sven and Faendal"

@GlennSkywalker2305 9 ай бұрын

I’m not sure but if you add us the player into it I would say us but for only those two I have no idea really

@ailius1520 9 ай бұрын

Now do Klimmek vs. Bassilius

@masterneloth 9 ай бұрын

That would be a fun short video to do someday!

@owenandrew7951 4 ай бұрын

The big brain move is siding with Faendal, training in archery, then taking your money back

@user-hn4zn9nx3c 9 ай бұрын

the "best know your place" dialogue happened for me when I played with the unofficial skyrim patch, so did dialogue from guards saying "Only vampires and burglars lurk this late at night, so which are you?" (or something similar, this is from memory) =