Fast forward about three thousand years, and repeating that mistake would once again cost the Jedi dearly.

@@matthewwheeler469 Xd thats good

was looking for this comment😂

Theron: *Betrays the Alliance but is actually a double agent.* Jedi Knight's Brain: "Theron *S* h *an* " " *San* d" Jedi Knight: "cha cha real smooth"

"Attachment is not the Jedi way, stand down master Satele or renounce your Jedi ways". Would love it to end with Satele turning.

Anakin would be proud.

His voice actor outdid himself with this instalment! The male Sith Inquisitor did an excellent job too. Can't wait to play it through myself :D Glad someone else was brave enough to take this option though, I couldn't do it myself... I'd make a terrible Sith, I"d never make it through Korriban lol.

True Sith would keep him around because he has proven that he will do anything to protect them. He is a loyal little doggie

It took everything I had to leave him behind on my DS SW. I've been playing mine as if I were Vader, so I had to leave him, but IRL I cried. It hurt so much.

Yeah, dark side with senya is okay for me. But dark side for theron, no way so sad :( I am not going to let him die, not even on my darkest toons. Especially because he stayed loyal so it doesn't makse sense to leave him.

I clicked it the option to atleast see it play out before I hit escape and just reset the conversation to save him. The moment he cried out commander I hit escape. No way I could finish that scene.

I cried for a good half-hour or so after I did it on my dark Jedi. I will have to skip that cutscene for the last two that would do so. ;_;

If we spar Scorplo alive she still our side we have nothing to fear

I hope that's a future DLC

That's honestly what I was thinking. Why not finish conquering Iokath and just command the droids to make you a new army and fleet.

Well that was a choice I was going make too........if Lana didn't beat me to it. She was always saying *When we find him, I will show him the POWER OF THE SITH*, * I mean a lot of people *died* because of his actions! LOL decisions, decisions! Then it's all the returning boyfriends/girlfriends/wife/husband thingys, oh golly!!

@@valeriesoop4238 I meaaaaaan a lot of people died because of the commander and lana as well though you have practically genocided people at this point. Like it told you in the story Arcann killed millions on a planet just to send a message to the commander. Millions died because Marr and the commander started a war with zakuul. Fact is, no one we cared about died. Killing a longtime friend because of some random chiss house who CHOSE to make a gamble and attack you (their whole reason for going against you was getting secrets on the alliance, they were your enemies to begin with and not innocent), just seems stupid and having a weird set of morals. Besides, a lot more would have died had he done none of this. Gemini 16 already knew the location of the map. Had theron not infiltrated them and leaked the plans everyone on odessan would be dead

that actually would have been great. A bit fucked up but great

That would be great, especially for the Sith Warrior or Inquisitor.

I rarely cry over anything. And I hate Theron, but even I cried at that part. I even saved him entirely. And I play a cruel manipulative backstabbing son of a bitch assassin too. Theron shouting for you to turn back is so heart wrenching. It's like someone put my heart in a blender. the feels. The fricking feels

Its cool, the canon is Theron surviving, killing him is the non-canon version. As the surviving one is the one of the wiki and if you skip straight to onslaught without doing the other content, Theron is still around. Him dying is the fake choice :D

@@agtl3168 there is no canon for swtor though?

@@BreadBup no, swtor isn't canon for star wars/disney but there is a canon swtor

Yup, I was kind of expecting her to strenuously object and the Commander to pull rank and do the "leave him or I"ll declare you traitor too" thing.

@Desuo beniko = kenobi... she needs to survive... and give children to the most powerfull known force user in the world aka us

@@Noamalmoggg I didn't even notice that acronym... Damn... You're smart.

Gamma-X Nor did I, I wonder if they had something in mind for that or if it was just for fun. Or maybe a happy accident, though I highly doubt it.

@@xenon8117 Knowing Star Wars, it could both be a joke, or she could really be related to Kenobi.

I understand

This. There is a reason why we can't kill him, but only leave him to die. She is going to save him and he will show up in the next expansion.

ellchicago I do hope you are right please BW!

Gayben Well she is or was Grandmaster of the Jedi Order. A true Jedi,unlike some. She may have been and still is shaken from all the loses and Darth Marr's influence,but she never truly fell to the Darkside. That being said,perhaps in time she will become greater threath to the galaxy than the Eternal Family ever was.

Gayben Perhaps she is lying.

She is no different than raven or valkorion - evill grey jedi and another final boss

many people didn't like the alliance stuff and wanted to return the old fashioned pubs vs imps, and developers team is not big so they had to make a decision, sadly

True.. just imagine how bad ass final battle with Vitiate can be.. if they just only keep eternal throne and fleet. :/

at least you can keep the alliance, don't know what are they going to do with that tho

@@sushiwade4095 idk why they cant have a non canon neutral option for the people that were starting to enjoy being neutral. I was really bummed out after realizing the game slowly starting to make me go back to working for the republic

Yeah. Cheap af. Just 2-3 explosions and that's all? At least should had been an epic battle, where Gravestone fights one more battle vs some big fleet. Maybe Gravestone should have ended on Iokath. Imagine just 1 ship vs 1 planet of fleets. That would had been awsome imo.

Let the wookiee win Troy Baker is good at anything concerning voice acting :D

yes I will ;]

Yeah theron was trying to help and was loyal the whole time.

My DS Sith Warrior would'v let him live, but, because they stupidly decided to make it a DS/LS option, Theron had to die

Silverbird There’s nothing stupid about having options, or this would just be another stale story-based game that follows a particular one path.

deadshot 500 If he was loyal the whole time,why attempt to shoot the Outlander on Umbara? If Lana hasn't thrown herself in front of the Outlander...

He was going to stun him ,otherwise lana would have died

I'm imagining my poor SW... she's the only one that would ever consider this... I'll have the tissues ready when she goes on this murderous rampage lol.

noctoi exactly what I did😂

Can we be sure that his betrayal actually fake? I mean, these fanatics achieved their goal, if only partially - Eternal Alliance is not major galactic player anymore. There's a reason why you have to pick a side in next patch.

@@TheShadowSentinel If it was a real betrayal he would not have slowed them down and let the Alliance catch up. He would not have left messages and coordinates either.

The letter Theron sent my SW kind of confirmed that Theron did want to betray him at some point or another: "I felt guilty... but you showed me I'm right. You need to be stopped." My SW thinks that they could have stopped the order before anything happened. I mean, the outlander had the fleet and gravestone at the time.

Half a Dev team, omegalul.

Anyone who is twisted enough to go with that option has probably already killed Satele. Even I let Theron live and my character is a mostly darkside sith pureblood that shows no mercy. I want the satisfaction of killing him when he screws up again, not the backlash of killing him when he dropped everything to help me

@@electricnick260 you can't kill satele in visions in the dark.

Nope. She can't do that. Because she knows that Revenge is not the Jedi Way and it will only make her turn to the Dark Side.

He's a *spy*. His loyalties are meant to be kept fluid. You can't be sure he didn't just say that to save his skin. He could have had ulterior motives. He was the best SIS Spymaster after all. You wanna bet someone like that will die to protect the Empire ? Or you ? Not counting that he almost killed you on Umbara. It can make sense.

@@tywinlannister8015 His loyalties have always been with the commander though, he LITERALLY built the alliance, was responsible for establishing most of the connections, acquiring most of the people, he was even involved with the starforge business. He essentially did even more than Lana for you, for you not to trust him even when this very story showed even more that you could, well I don't know what to say. And no he didn't almost kill you on Umbara, he KNOWS exactly what the commander is capable of which is exactly why he told the chiss not to fight you because he knew you would kill him. The guy has fought every battle with you and is super intelligent, he knows your skills. You were not in harms way, if he wanted to harm you, he would have. He HAS killed Sith before in the comics.

@@sigorolata2829 The idea of a good spy is that you shouldn't expect when and if he betrays you. No matter what Theron does, that will never be enough, and it's fine as is. Regardless I killed him, on my Agent.

@@tywinlannister8015 But there was no betraying? he literally helped you destroy 2 super weapons with his intel. And if we're keeping count, that's a total of 3 if you read his book. That's more than lana ever did for the galaxy. Not to mention theron was the one who built the alliance. He made the connections, he recruited the people and was also the only reason you even knew about the starforges, which were capable of producing war machines. Destroyed because of him. I'm sorry, but LS or DS killing an asset like Theron is pretty idiotic

@@sigorolata2829 That's because of a common cause. He had every reason to help. Because that aligned with Republic interests. But in the light of something like renewed war with the Republic, getting rid of him suddenly looks interesting. Again you can never fully trust a spy's true loyalties.

I know, it's pathetic taht you can't just stab the self-absorbed little bastard. You have to use such low methods to get rid of him. That's just bad game writing I say.

HEY WE HAVE THE SAME PROFILE PIC LMAO

You a Darth Revan fan too

I though Rey was the kid named Mary Sue \_(--)_/

you're welcome

my pleasure ;]

pretty sure satele confirmed he's dead when you talk to her in echoes of oblivion

Achievement unlocked: No soul.

Makes sense when Theron doesn't mean anything to you, and all you care about is making the evilest character imaginable. I played through the expansion with my LS Sith Sorc, and had her aid the Republic and romance Theron in the expansion. ( I wasn't married to Andronikos Revel). Getting to fight for the Republic as a sith was some of the best moments in the game. I just wish there was a way to fully join the Republic, which includes going to the Republic fleet and zones.

She's the Liara of SWTOR :]

@@xLetalis Mass Effect good one😆

Yep, and it's causing a lot of people to be annoyed by her now, she has several kill threads. People are tired of her being forced on their characters especially when she's not romanced lol

My DS SW faced no such issues - murdered even Jaesa after they had something together when she dared standing on the opposite side

About like the artifact weapons in WoW. But at least you get to utilize the artifact weapons

Alice McNeil - ZOCOM Raider Captain ... - chops onions even faster -

i did it and i had the balls to do it.

damn ;)

This is true, you usually only see the few edgelords saying they did.

yeah it was harsh ;[

@@xLetalis Even my little blue jerk -- [sith inquisitor, who's a small angry blue totruga] -- is going to accept Theron back. Heck I'm gonna have him do a slow 180 when he realizes how sweet and adorkable our favorite Disaster Spy is.

I killed him with my Fallen Jedi that was romancing Lana Beniko. Then I romanced Theron Shan with my Lightside Imperial Traitor Female Agent. It was fun seeing both sides, actually.