Spoilt sweet... Meanwhile Mary is spoilt rotten

I do wonder if seeing Mary and Edith always being at each other’s throats as children and teens impacted the kind of person Sybil became.

She was an Angel. Branson and Sybil were a dream couple.

​@viviennepastor3188 not at the beginning.

@@sabahmerchant1866 : I think the writer's had this in mind. The harsh authoritarian older sister, the jealous one in the middle, and the idealist as the youngest.

"Amen."

Wish more people understood that.

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I love the spine that Anna has, especially how and why she pairs it with respectful and adult communication so well...

I venture to say that ANY war has changed the position of women due to the shortage of men on the home front. This forced women to take over the job responsibilities formerly attributed to the male species. With that women also finally received the recognition (IN PARTS ONLY) they were due. However, the pay is still vastly less these days for men doing the same job as women. Though the discrepancy has - over time - lessened. But it was a start.

It's a beautiful story line when you follow the individual characters through it with them!

This is such a good response to some people’s attitude of “You should be grateful to be working here” 🙄 😒 You can be grateful AND at the same time try to find a job you’re better suited to.

I agree! Sybil and Matthew's characters should have been replaced with other actors! The scene where her mother's reaction to her baking a cake was proof of Sybil's strength. Matthew believing Mary was capable of running DT was also proof of the strength and depth of both characters. Well, it's spilled milk now.

That's why we got Rose.

That’s what was the problem at the time. It was viewed as “elevation”. While working in house service or being a secretary, all is service in the wide variety of this notion. Gwen simply wanted a different path. She didn’t see herself as “elevating” over her friends and colleagues. And some (not going to point fingers here - but that character seemed to have been getting it wrong most of her time at Downton) took it as Gwen saw herself better than the others. Mean woman.

@@milanamughal Odious woman, you mean.

I’m too chicken s- to watch Sybil’s death episode I liked her that much

She was right, but not in the way she thought.

Mary and Edith knew that about Sybil. They just never truly acknowledged it out loud until they were forced to. And Sybil with Gwen kept that job hunt episode a big secret because there was concern that Gwen getting the job would be sabotaged somehow (if not by the narrow minded discriminatory attitude of everyone upstairs AND downstairs (just think the envy of some of them)).

I wish Sybil and Gwen characters would be stay longer on Downton Abbey series 😢, it must be fun to watch their charecters development.

@@Cik_Siput.Luar_Biasa Yeah 😞

And yet the omnipresent Mrs. Hughes has to go and ruin it for everyone.

Ms. Hughes is such a sweetheart! She didn'r ruin anything whatsoever@@robboyte1101

@@robboyte1101 It was nasty O'Brien who told Mrs. Hughes and Carson about the typewriter. O'Brien was so mean-spirited.

Isobel kinda was🤔😂

I think what made them so unproblematic was, they weren't jealous, envious, discriminatory or narrow minded by any means. Cora had too much American in her where the British were always known to be rather snobbish. But they were open to change and did not feel threatened by change or challenge. Just remember Cora's attitude when the oven downstairs failed and her mother opted to improvise the picnic mode instead of that official dinner at the long table. She was rather open to it. Where everyone else was looking to have a certified heart attack.

I agree! I would put Ms. Hughes and Alfred on that list. The funniest person award goes to Ms. Patmore (her wit, sharp comebacks, etc.)

This is Anna erasure.

I don't remember Violet dying in the 2nd season.

@@muriel8922 Not in the series, but in the film/movies.

I was also imagining that Gwen could have been an scribe for the wounded officers in the house during the war.

tbf at the time being in servitude was an amazing prospect, it's hard to think now, but they probably thought being in service was much more stable a job than anything else despite its flaws and drawbacks

​@@KawaiiStars add to this the fact that the Crowleys were actually very "people" for the servants. So it was a big prospect and stable job. It was before the IWW the people were still very pro-monarchy and nobility. DA is basically a fairy tale about what the world was like back then especially for servants

It infuriated me, the way they talked to her. Way back when. Some of the characters really made me mad. The actors were so good at being bad!

@@olakeska7908 yeah the croweleys are really the best case scenario here, not everyone got the treatment and freedom the staff here had it's a very romantic view of the upper class since we follow them so they've to be somewhat likeable

most of these people still had an older mindset that working as a servant for nobility was the best job for a peasant, the idea that there could be even better jobs out there was still quite new (that's why they barely even knew how to use a typewriter)

Well in her own room at night. Anna was her roommate and wouldn't give her away

To Carson anything that wasn't from the Victorian era WAS a grenade 😂🤣. You saw how he reacted to the telephone and electricity

They can but back then a job in service was considered a very good job with prospects and to be wanting to leave was considered mad especially if there was no guarantee of success. They ate their thoughts and words later when Gwen returned

Why don't you like Henry? I'm honestly curious because I quite like him but then again Mary and Matthew were best suited. I did like the idea of Blake and Mary as well

Then you don't know what real slavery is which still goes on today. It's a hard life for sure but slavery is unspeakable.

Not slavery at all. In Britain, Service was an extremely respectable and desired job among the poorly educated working-class. Those who managed to obtain a job in service were fortunate. Compared to practically all other low-education working-class jobs, such as farm, factory and construction work, etc. Service provided better pay, far easier, better and massively safer working conditions, excellent lifetime job security and far better opportunities for promotion and advancement with associated perks. Hence why the Butler says "there would plenty of young girls who'd be glad of a position in this house". Although the work was menial, the hours were extremely long, and they had very little free time. It was an extremely stable and secure job for life, with great long term opportunities for promotion, which provided a good and guaranteed steady and stable income, along with comfortable living accommodations and food for free. This allowed them to continually save a good portion of their income towards a comfortable retirement. It was a job with virtually no chance of physical injury or death. It was a job that carried and gave higher respect, prestige, status and privilege in society than all other working-class jobs. It also often allowed them to remain local and close to where they were born and to their families. Contrast that with factory, farm and construction work, etc. Those professions had extremely little job security, the people in them often had to continually search for work and income throughout their life. Both short and long periods of being unable to find actual work and income were common. They often had to source and pay for their own food and accommodations. It was very difficult for them to save money, and what they did save was for an emergency fund for when they were without work and income. Their work was massively more physically demanding and dangerous, and their risk of injury and death was extremely high. People often had to continually relocate to various parts of the country to find work far from their birthplace. If you were thrown back and trapped in time in Victorian/Edwardian Britain and forced to choose a working-class profession, but you could choose any you wished. You would choose service purely because it was by far the most secure, comfortable, easiest, safest, best paying and prestigious of the bunch.

funny ;)