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" The venom symbiote is not evil. It's misunderstood." That's exactly what someone Wearing the symbiote would say. TAKE IT OFF TAKE IT OFF!!!!!!

A Spider-man fan that respects the symbiote beyond venom this must be a april fools joke.

It’s not the Symbiote that corrupts the host… It’s the HOST that corrupts the Symbiote.

very good video >:D

A common misconception about how symbiotes work are they are inherently evil and corrupt their hosts on purpose when that isn’t the case at all. It’s actually the other way around. When Peter Parker had the black suit, it was initially benevolent to him and genuinely made his life better as Spider-Man. It wasn’t until Peter started having a bad attitude that affected the symbiote’s behavior, which it in turn started affecting Peter and turned him into an even bigger asshole. Peter always had a chip on his shoulder throughout his life but it wasn’t until he had the symbiote that truly brought out the worst in him. And he really only had himself to blame for his selfish actions, not the symbiote.

Spider-Man TAS: The Spider-Man cartoon that every movie, cartoon, and video game gets their ideas from. -Green Goblin split personality -Dr Connors being Peter’s school teacher/mentor -Otto Octavius being Peter’s mentor -Eddie Brock being a rival coworker -Eddie Brock taking incriminating pictures of Spider-Man. -A Goblin trying to take over the criminal underworld by usurping the biggest mob boss in the city. -John Jameson bringing the symbiote to Earth. -Dr Connors being the person who discovers that the symbiote is alive. -The Vulture having a vendetta against Norman Osborn -Norman Osborn being in league with the Kingpin (or the show’s Kingpin equivalent). -Spider-Man teaming up with alternate universe versions of himself -And finally…The Alien Costume corrupting it’s host is the story for every adaptation EXCEPT the original

With no way home putting an emphasis on Tom’s Peters temper, I think now they perfectly set themselves up for a more faithful symbiote adaptation

Black spidey suit is peak spiderman drip, fight me

Idea: We DO see Peter become more aggressive when wearing the suit, but only because the symbiote is picking up on, identifying with, and amplifying Peter’s existing dark urges. Best of both worlds there.

I love this. I feel the exact same way. I hope even fan adaptations will keep this in mind if they do their own symbiote adaptation.

*5:58** +100 EXTRA POINTS for the LARP reference*

Man, this video captures everything I despise about modern Symbiote Saga adaptations. I love it, you just earned yourself a new sub. It always felt so weird to me to have Peter be mind controlled by the Symbiote into acting like a jerk, because it cheapened the story by taking away responsibility from Peter and sweeping under the rug the fact that HE was the one that corrupted the suit, with his rejection/xenophobia (when he discovered the suit was alive, he said he’d rather die than be bonded with it. He, _Spider-Man_, didn’t even try to communicate with it and work things out. It was instant rejection for no reason other.). The Symbiote was never evil until it bonded with Eddie. Just misunderstood. Having it be inherently bad from the getgo removes its character from the story to give the audience a clear bad guy to hate and a motive to root for Pete, but that’s just the easy way out, when the OG story was much more nuanced than this.

Now that I think about it. MTV’s New Spider Series Spider-man has got to be one of the best depictions of Peter and Spider-man. He has the attitude, the temper, the distinct voices between Peter and Spider-man, still utilized his intellect without mechanical web shooters as the go-to for showing that off, and above all, he could be an absolute menace without needing an alien suit to “amplify his negative emotions”. He was 100% willing to execute Kraven when he believed he killed MJ. That’s something very few depictions have utilized. NWH had that moment, but there’s been very few (basically no) moments of genuine anger (not mild annoyance or a tantrum) to make it feel natural or genuine in a characterization sense. Which is why MTV’s Spider-man has to be one of the most under appreciated adaptations of Spider-man

I think the whole "it effects his mood" thing _can_ work. But you have to treat it, not as if the symbiote is bad, but rather that peter is just a bad host. Where PETER is the one constantly fighting the symbiote rather than the symbiote fighting against peter. Peter needs to be treated as like an abusive host in this relationship. Yes, the symbiote has drawbacks, flaws (both for the user and it's own character) but ultimately, the symbiote NEEDS to be a symbiote, not a parasite. As an example, peter always sees the symbiote as an "it" rather than a "them". Treating the creature as nothing more than a malicious tool conspiring against him. That's a toxic relationship, ESPECIALLY if peter is the one pushing that narative. To me, that shows to his character flaw of making enemies rather than working through his problems. I like to imagine there's a peter in the spider-verse that ACTUALLY did learn to talk to the symbiote and work through their issues (not unlike what we see playout in the venom live action movies). Where they no longer identify as a collective duo, but individuals. Where the symbiote learned to self identify itself separate from any one specific host. This peter and [venom symbiote] both acknowledge they aren't the best pairing for eachother and thus try to find compromises between eachother. To "individually" work together separately as a team sharing the same body rather than them working together as a unified being. I hated the ps5 take of venom, and that's partially because Knull hurts the symbiote mythos as a whole and just should be retconned out of existence, BUT, one thing that I liked is the scene where the alien showed fear. "Destroy. . . us" D:. That line, it was spoken as if said by a small sad scared and innocent child. That to me shows what the dynamic SHOULD be, a toxic peter wanting to destroy his partner where as his partner just wants to live his life and help his host.

There’s a fan film I watched called Peter’s Web. It was through that fan film where I learned that the symbiote actually saved Peter. And took him out in his sleep

Ideally, Peter and the Symbiote would corrupt each other. The Symbiote's boost to Peter's abilities and easy fixes to a lot of his problems would bring out a lot of his already existing flaws, while Peter's terrible behavior despite being the hero would lead to the Symbiote emulating and encouraging that behavior. When Peter recognizes what the Symbiote is doing to him and splits from it, the Symbiote takes what it learns to Eddie and comes back for revenge. It's only after a while that it starts to learn that even heroes can have flaws, at which point Venom can go from being a Spider-Man villain to something of an anti-hero or even an ally.

This is amazing and I agree with everything but I still love how the spectacular cartoon does it. I think that's the best version of the "symbiote makes him evil" trope the 90s cartoon started without sacrificing his regular character flaws

I really hated how they did the symbiote in Spider-Man 2. No nuance, no convincing bond or emotion given to the symbiote. Just evil alien is evil, which is such a misstep because it really shows the writers weren’t thinking about the source material or even the themes of their own game when writing venom.

I personally love when people who think they know the symbiote when all they know is everything from the 90's cartoon and beyond. They don't realize or know anything about what the symbiote was really like. So I'm so glad that someone like you are able to say the truth about the symbiote and what it really did and do. This person actually knows what he's talking about and really cares about the character versus most people who just use the same storyline from the 90's over and over but changing it to fit what adaption or whatever their doing. It's getting more annoying and more frustrating to see it happening. All I hope is that more people try and use the original symbiote storyline elements and make a good story from it. Keep up the good work and you got a sub from me for everything you said in this one video.

Another point in comics people who adapt these stories seem to be ignorant of is Venoms first defeat. Eddie recounts as he was falling, and Peter cutting his web lines, he felt unable to stop, like he was desperately grabbing for something but it was not him doing it. The suit wanted Peter back so badly it was forcing Brock to try to stay in the fight. A lot of adaptations seem to forget the symbiote sees Peter like an ex boyfriend. It only fights him because it feels wronged by Peter’s rejection of it. In early comics had Peter genuinely wanted it back it would’ve left Brock immediately. That’s literally how he beats Eddie on one occasion, which Spectacular adapted.

Let’s hope the MCU gets it right when they finally reboot and clean up Sonys Venom mess. Insomniac fumbled the ball hard as well

Literally summed up my thoughts I've had for ages. Especially the part about Peter being flawed. Great video :)!!!

You likely already know this, the black and white suit was originated by a reader named Randy Schueller. Schueller's design was for a tech based suit designed by Avenger the Wasp, kind of like Spidey's suit with the symbiote fighting tech from the Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon. Schueller's suit had red where the white parts are everywhere but the eyes and had red webbing under the armpits. Schueller doesn't care for how the suit was turned into an alien and spawned all the symbiote stuff. His original idea was for a costume change for the hero and it eventually led to Marvel creating a symbiote Joker with Carnage and now all the retconning with the symbiotes being on Earth before Secret Wars and Knull and the King in Black stuff. I can appreciate his perspective about it all given his original intentions with his submission to Marvel. I got burnt out on all the symbiotes in the 90s and just when they were taking Venom back to the basics with the symbiote and Eddie bonding again and I was psyched for that, BOOM! King in Black, Venom-Verse, and everybody's wearing a symbiote now.

Great vid, i love when people talk classic 616 spidey, hes such a layered character and theres a reason hes so popular

This video was awsome bro, I love the symbiotes despite how often they are used.

Damm the music on this vid just straight bangers never thought I would hear them in a vid

You are one of the few I’ve seen who actually really understand this character. Pete has been so watered down and softened.. even in the insomniac games. Pete has issues lol he was an orphaned kid who lost his father figure. He’s got trauma. He’s got anger issues. But deep down he’s a fundamentally good person despite all his flaws, and that’s what makes him so damn compelling and relatable. The 90s series nailed that. Spectacular did a good job at it too but to less of a degree.

I feel like the 90s series version of the story is too iconic mainstream, and well-known for anyone to do anything else because the original isn't all that famous while the 90s version is.

I love this video, you've earned a new Subscriber my friend

I wasn't sure what to expect when I saw all the title. But this was a good video. Very informative

I just like the idea of the Symbiote highlighting the worst aspects of Peter's character and giving him the opportunity to truly reflect about himself and mature, it's definitely better than the Symbiote turning him into a violent psycho overnight which seems to be the standard depiction nowadays.

For having so little content on the channel this is a banger! Easy sub. Looking forward to more videos

I have been arguing this exact point for years and im so glad im not the only one. Thank you for the video

I didn’t know some of these things, thanks for the video.

This video is cool and I like learning about the old lore for the symbiote but the venom arc that gets used in the games and cartoons is awesome on how an alien suit that helped spider-man became spider-mans enemy. And even has a cool name with a cool line.

People forget the venom host is unique Kylntar retconned a couple things but “Suit” always wanted to bond and live with its host Even though these species are meant to complete overtake and decay it’s host but “Suit” refused to do it It was taken ? Or willingly went to battle world Either way it was comfortable with Peter It LOVES ITS HOST- other symbiote don’t act like “Suit” does

4:44 WOW amazing analysis. The absolute truth about this misunderstood part of Venom Symbiote. Never heard of it untill i got to your video. WOW.

THANK YOU for pointing out the issue w the symbiote story in Spider-Man 2. I felt it was too tame of an adaptation

12:47 I love how you mention Midnight Suns. It is truly is the most comic book accurate portrayal of Eddie/Venom/the symbiote. It's also worth noting that in MS, Eddie actually tells you that the symbiote doesn't simply buff the host (yet another misconception about the symbiote), Venom only become that huge solely because Eddie HIMSELF workout a lot. Which reflect to ASM 332, where Eddie explains why the symbiote enhance him BUT not Peter: Eddie: "You didn't boost Spider-Man's strength when you were with him because his abilities were already augmented by some sort of genetic mutation! But alas, I am merely human! And since you enhance my strength geometrically... the mightier I become, the mightier you make me!" Edit: Spelling

I'm commenting this at the time stamp of 2:24 He just asked the question how i would describe the symbiote storyline. Now i grew up with the original comic version. So it'd go kinda like this: The drawers were tired of drawing spidey's web pattern and so they wanted a new suit. Eventually they stumbled across a black and red suit (symbiote suit with red symbol) and they just changed the red to white. This was during the secret wars event. Peter brings one home to earth and then in secret wars number 8. He ecountered the suit. He then wore the suit for 4 whole years then mr Fantastic studied the suit. He found out it was an alien and advised Peter to put off the suit. And so Peter did. They kept it to study it. And because of this the Symbiote ofcourse felt betrayed as all it did was help Peter (didn't change his mood tho just helped). And so the symbiote found someone with an equal hate towards Peter. Eddie Brock. And later Venom became an anti hero.

I feel the new symbiote arc, with Knull, limits the symbiotes unless you actually plan to do that whole story arc. Because if you bring that into the story, in some form, you either gotta make the Symbiote evil, or find a way to make it being a "rebel" to the cause work. People wanted to make the Symbiote in the latest game not evil, and put it all on Peter, problem was, its intentions was never good to begin with, it was always to take the world over. With a "nice" host or with a "evil" host, didn't matter for it. Seeing a more nuanced and more complex take on the Symbiotes in general, especially Venom, would be nice, but one gotta lay down some good groundwork for it, and be in it for the long run, not just 1 game, or few episodes

Man the commercial at the start brought me back lol.

You earned a sub...I was sold on your quote on symbiosis. I can now form a headcanon as for why Venom is goofy; he gets it from Peter, sorta. Also, i agree with your point on being Peter being a hothead, which is why I believe Andrew Garfield as Peter was fantastic and very comic accurate, especially to the og comic by stan lee and ditko

You remind me of early psm videos!!!

Great video. You hit the nails on the head.

This was a really cool to finally get the whole picture of the original comic run’s ending with the symbiote! I had no idea about the “symbiosis is a two way street” part! I don’t necessarily hate the more aggressive portrayal of the symbiote in some of the better Spider-Man media since, I actually think it’s a really nice analogy for addiction at some points! But I do agree that it would be a much more interesting route to explore it in that original way especially now that it’s been so overplayed! The way I’d put a spin on the advents here would be the reason the symbiote allows Venom to continue would be a thing is because it gets the attention of Peter. Perhaps the symbiote could be more like an obsessive ex or something and maybe if the host (whoever that is for the story) has their negative emotions overpower the symbiote’s or work alongside it. If the symbiote was given a better, less aggressive host first, maybe it wouldn’t end up a “villain?” Maybe this could tie into a potential storyline for a variant of Agent Venom? I’m a huge fan of Spidey but am really conflicted on a lot of his media, I’d love to maybe try writing a story like this someday. Thanks for sharing more details on these awesome stories and characters!!

This reminds me of Insomniac's Spiderman 2. It SEEMED like they were addressing that the symbiote just amplifies what's already there, hence most of Peter's rage, and hostility was just basically HIS issues being amplified, and instead of addressing that once he loses the suit everyone's just collective goes"Ok we're just going to pretend it was the suit that was evil and ignore a LOT of the problems you clearly not wanting to address." Honestly I'm not the biggest fan of Peter Parker as a character. A GREAT deal of that comes from the writers and them seemingly trying to respond to what the audience/readers want. Kind of like how every director wanted to give Tony Stark an arc in their movie but then the following director would reset it for the next movie. Doesn't make the MOVIES on a individual level bad, but kind of makes the character in the context of a whole come across in a negative way. Peter constantly waffles between what he WANTS to do and what he feels he SHOULD do and ultimately it just creates problems for everyone involved. He can't pick a side because then the comic would get boring and he can't grow because it seems to be proven that the die hard fans don't want him too. They either complain till things are reset or stop reading which forces the writers to do something crazy or reset everything anyway..

6:59 and cause of that on my spider sona story i made that the symbiote only "took off his breaks" making him say stiff he'd usually hold in to not harm anyone, stop holding punches, etc Cause technically, it is all him He thinks is the symbiote but when he tales it off in a situation of anger he almost kills scorpion Making him realize how much of a angry immature teenager he really is and how hes not ready for this life Blaiming an alien for HIS anger problems that it was only showing it as its nature So spider-man No more

Finally someone said it, thank you

Very cool vid... instant sub my friend!

That intro commercial was actually hilarious

Something interesting I found, there is an alternate universe where in the scene with the church bell, Peter actually dies. The symbiote feels horrible, and decided that the city needed a new spiderman. When the symbiote bonds with Eddie, it forces all those feelings of responsibility and all the memories of fighting his villains into him, effectively forcing Eddie to be the new spiderman. Eddie even thinks to himself "this feelings of responsibility isn't mine" but kinda just goes with it.

i like the idea it like boosts his emotions including his negative emotions

Bully didn't need to tease the man with his keys. 🤣

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You put everything that I dislike about modern Spider-man adaptations into words. The most egregious of them being the recent Insomniac adaptation, oh my god is their Peter insufferable. He's just so flawless, fluffy and boring and if he has any flaws it boils down to "You are too kind ...\ Push yourself too hard". Comic book Peter was unironically one step away from being a school shooter lmao, his jokes weren't cringe or awkward either the way they like to portray him now as being an eye-roll jokester. And yeah the whole symbiote thing is true as well.

But isn’t it canon that the symbiote absorbs emotional stimuli and heightens it ? So if Pete’s happy he’s really happy or if angry he’s really angry

i think there's a fine balance between both the comic and media interpretations. in the comics, the symbiote didnt really enhance peter's powers, it just gave him unlimited webbing, shapeshifting, and piloted his body while he slept to fight more crime. but the idea that it physically enhances peter seems like a better idea to me. and the idea that it makes peter more aggressive is also a neat idea that i like, if executed correctly which is to say that it just enhances the emotions he already has. the comics mentioned that the symbiote bonded to emotionally simple hosts in alien territory. if i were to make an assumption, its former hosts prior to the retcons were more instinctual and did things for survival. so enhancing those emotions would help those hosts survive from predators. however, because humanity and human relationships are so complex, the symbiote doesnt understand that making peter angrier than he already is is actually detrimental to his social survival. it's not evil, just doing what it knows how to do based on past experiences. it's a simple animal and it does what simple animals do. what can be even better is if a part of peter blames the symbiote for this without taking any accountability on his end which is why he has such hate for venom. this can help fuel venom's anger towards peter because of the uniust hate he has for the venom symbiote. venom can be used as a vehicle for peter to reflect on his lack of accountability while also allowing for eddie and the symbiote to reflect on themselves for also lacking that accountability, making them both see their own hypocritical actions and mindsets and making it so that the conflict isn't so one sided which leads to a maybe more smooth transition to them leaving new york to become san francisco's vigilante

6:58 ^ I’ve missed uploads from this channel, love me some symbiote content🕷️🕸️

Honestly I really wish there was a version of the Symbiote where it stays bonded with Spiderman. Where they communicate, and work out what was wrong. I think it would be really cool.

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I think having the Symbiote Bond to Peter in a moment where he is already angry, is better. As this is the first emotion it learns. In the game, Spider-Man 2 though, this is how it worked. Harry wasnt angry or changed when he had the suit. He is as happy as can be. It is only through anger and desperation does thr Symbiote learn this, and when seeing Peter's anger and desperation at stopping crime it is amplified. It wasn't mind control. It was more bringing out those emotions to the fore front. But even still it doesnt excuse how you acted cause the Symbiote doesnt mind control you. Venom is so angry and hateful cause it latched onto those same emotions Eddie had. A mutual understanding. That's probably why the 90s cartoon made the symbiote act like that.

I still think the suit affecting his emotions was a good addition but as you say, it's not evil so it should just be amplifying his base emotions meaning he's still the one at fault for letting his own anger & self loathing get out of hand in response to the suit not flat out because of it

YO IS THAT MASTER STRYKER ? Awesome.

I've always thought this, there was a time in the 80s where he was using the suit and wasn't a bad guy, the trope just started one day and an endless cycle started lol

The venom symbiote strengthens the deep emotions of the host it's not evil

Marvel Spider-Man 2 took inspiration from the original symbiote story think about it when it was with harry it saw Peter/Spider-Man as a hero just like Harry did and it never did anything evil during its time with harry and those two trying to bond with peter scenes were just its curiosity of what type of host peter could be and when peter died from kraven harry felt emotions like anger, grief and sadness which also made the Symbiote feel the same and as a last resort it melted away and latched onto peter to save him now as you mentioned the Symbiote is intelligent and learns the emotions of the host it did the same and peter's behavior like anger, resentment, lashing out on others that were shown during his time with the symbiote was still him and when the symbiote latched onto harry again it managed to apply all the knowledge it learned from peter which resulted in the birth of Venom so you can ssy that peter unintentionally corrupted the symbiote not the other way around

10:58 MOMENTS that give us the sense of Law Of Growth in action

One of the most interesting things about the Spider-Man and symbiote relationship is how a creature that only acts on simple logic and base instincts gets influenced by Peter to become a fully sapient individual who willingly risks its own life to save Peter even after he tried ditching it. It adds a layer of tragedy due to how a lack of communication between two people from literally two different worlds ended up causing a lot of problems that could've been avoided. So it sucks that a lot of retellings tend to make it so the symbiote was always evil and deserves to be tossed into a furnace. While the current blueprint of the black suit storyline of it being a fantastic tool that warps your mind is cool, I prefer the nuance of it being a creature that was spurned for doing what it's naturally supposed to and I hope future Spider-Man media try to incorporate that aspect into their own versions.

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Surpised you didn't mention a cool symboite what if The one where peter dies during the bell take off and instead of becoming venom The symboite realises the world needs a Spider-Man and together with eddie brock they become Spider-Man (They don't really become the best version especially with eddie throwing a brick into doc ock's head when he gets separated from the symboite (its a neat note that eddie isn't wearing a Spider-Man costume under the symboite) but it's still a cool concept of the symboite liking Spider-Man)

I've always liked the idea that the Symbiote's "first name" is just "The Suit"

The symbiote being evil kinda goes against everything we see of them in comics now.... like literally everything about modern Venom comics kinda goes away once you paint it as just evil.

I recently thought of a way to have it that the symbiote "corrupts" its host without being malevolent. Once it bonds it completely connects to you, especially in emotion. It will feel what you feel and it especially reacts to strong emotions. Here's the thing I forgot to mention, if it can feel what you feel, shouldn't it also work the other way around? it becomes an echo chamber of strong emotion, bouncing back and forth getting louder and more distorted as it does, and if you do that with emotions like anger or even anguish...Imagine.

Personally I see the symbiote in Spider-Man 2 being like the original, when Harry has the suit all it does is heal him but when Peter gets the suit it forces out the negative emotions that he always has in a misguided attempt to help hin be a better Spider-Man, he doesn't think killing criminals is a good solution but it's how he feels, when the symbiote says "I'm the solution" in the boss fight against Peter that's the symbiote truly believing that it's the solution to all of Peter's problems and that it could help him. The symbiote gets corrupted by Peter and later Harry's anger and rage and that's what makes Venom, jt's also why Venom doesn't try to kill Peter at first but instead tries to make Peter join him, because Harry wants to continue his goal of healing the world with Peter, which is why the symbiote starts taking over people. That's just my thoughts on the Spider-Man 2 story tho

I really wanted Insomniac's Spider-Man 2 to adapt the black suit story faithfully, but as soon as they said that there would be no Eddie Brock it destroyed all hope of an actual Venom for me, "But," I thought to myself, "The symbiote could still be a fleshed out character who isn't an evil mind-controlling creature like all the other adaptations, they said they'd do something different with him!" And they did do something different with him; they made the symbiote have basically no personality, its only character trail being that it was super-duper evil, oh no! And "Venom" just being a worst version of Web of Shadows Venom bugged me to no end. At least in WoS it was said that Venom was acting out of character because something was wrong with the symbiote

I just read all these issues recently

I absolutely hate it how because of TAS and Spider-Man 3 everybody thinks symbiote is evil. i hope atleast the MCU will adapt the classic symbiote spiderman storyline.

As a Venom fan I want to add that not only is it used to whitewash Peter but also used as a cudgel to deny Venom the redemption arc they had in the comics. Despite Eddie spending most of his existence as a character as a good guy. So the symbiote is not allowed to be a character and with Eddie they are not allowed the depth and growth they had in the comics, while Peter is denied his flaws. It is a change that is nothing but harmful and I have always hated it.

Story time When BK had the scratch off promo for SM3 one day my dad and I went and ate there and we did our scratch offs but we both lost. However, on my other scratch side was a flat screen tv redemption and my dad's been mad at me about it since :')

I too hate when people call the symbiote “Venom” as well. For casuals it’s a bit more forgivable but for people who are supposedly fans of the character it’s pretty disgraceful. These same people be saying the quote “We Are Venom” while showing that they have no idea what that even means.

6:34 WOW. never saw this Fox Kids Advert of Spider-Man since my childhood, although these kind of graphics really amazed my back then in late nineties and early 2000's

Finallly!

The worst thing about the mis-adaptation of the Symbiote, is that Peter has never grown from it. Seriously. It is ironic that the whole schtick of Spider-Man is "With great power comes great responsibility", but Peter was never responsible with the Symbiote. Peter gets told that the Symbiote is alive by the Fantastic Four and refuses to communicate with it. Peter gets saved by the Symbiote, and even though we get the page where he'll forever contemplate it, the truth is almost every writer after has chosen to leave this out. There is literally no self-reflection on Peter's part about the Symbiote. More so, Peter constantly does the thing where he tricks the Symbiote to rebond to separate it from Eddie Brock. Peter is abusive and manipulative. And no writer has ever taken the chance to explore this. No writer wants to actually tackle the truth that Peter lies, even if it is for "good". Peter has only basically apologized to Eddie Brock, but has never been considerate towards the Symbiote, even after knowing the truth of their past history.

I grew up on the old cartoon, and the 3 part Venom saga are still some of my favorite episodes. That being said, when I learned more about the comic's version later, I thought it was kind of sad that the 90s cartoon became the template for how it would be used going forward. I think it works in the 90s show, but it'd be nice to see the symbiote not treated as a "turns people evil" goop all the time. (I have a friend that is particularly upset about this as she LOVES comic Venom.)

If you think about it the Symbiote does make Peter angry and more hot headed just because it makes him tired. Fighting crime with him while sleeping

I wish the 90’s series gave us a more proper animated adaptation. It could be a full season long.

2:04 my personal favorite incarnation is definitely the Ultimate comics version.

I would love to see a series where peter keeps the suit and learns to work with it and it would turn him into unit lmao

Good video! Seen u post about ya channel on twitter so I gave u a sub

Now I wanna see a version where spider man just keeps the symbiote 😭

I'd love to have a comic where Peter makes up with the symbiote

“Brock You gotta take it Off!”

Despite having a very different origin, I think Ultimate Spider-Man has the most accurate characterization of the venom symbiote.

If I were to make a spider man show I would would have peter the wear black suit for awhile have it be like a season or two and slowly over time it would build up to him removing the suit, unlike every adaptation were he takes it off after wearing for a short time.

finally someone whos actually read the comics who claims to care about comic accuracy

Honestly I thought of a story where the symbiote misunderstands things or takes it too literal and after a specific moment protecting his host is starting to get corrupted

I’d say venom and the symbiote’s popularity peaked from 2010 to 2019or 2020