I don't like symphonic metal, but i watched the whole show. I find the history of metal (all genres) very interesting.

Thanks guys for giving time for After Forever, Floor Jansen is an OUTSTANDING versatile vocalist and the addition of keyboardist "Joost van den Broek" in their later years took them over the edge with his compositions for orchestra. Bravo! 2 I would have added was; Leaves Eyes and Adagio, would love to hear who Lindsay wanted to add at the end :).

nightwish and therion next to each other ... finland Vs sweden ... the rivalry not only in hockey xD

I just want to say thank you to Lindsay for putting Virgin Black to the board. They definitely deserve to be there. Hopefully this way more people will learn about that awesome band.

We need an episode of Finnish metal!

every episode is better and smoother then the one before it, you guys are killing it!

I think it would be a lot cooler if Sam wore a band shirt associated with the sub-genre when they actually do sub-genres.

I instantly went to listening to Nightwish's Oceanborn.

It's INCREDIBLE that Xandria got a brief mention then never put on the board.. they are the closest thing to early Tarja Nightwish out there right now. Speaking of which.. she has a solo band..

amazing episode!!! LOTS of fun moments, I want to watch it again ! :D

Another symphonic gothic metal band is Lacrimosa that did style of symphonic metal starting with their album Satura in 1993 or Inferno in 1995 which is before Therion did this with Theli in 1996. Another band in the same or similar style in sound is Saviour Machine with their album in 1993.

Thanks for this show. Have managed to find a whole genre of great metal that I knew existed, but no idea where to start looking. Now I have a tonne of new mental (to me at least) to listen to. wondering if you have heard of Semblant who I stumbled across though listening to the bands on this list? Luner Manifesto is an awesome album and well worth checking out.

Septic Fleshgod Apocalyptica?

After watching this live yesterday, I bought 4 Epica albums today \m/

Nightwish and Kamelot, back in '03 were my gateway into the genre.

so glad to see Virgin black mentioned here totaly agree with Lindsay. best guest choice i have seen.

I love watching this. in someways it helps me explore more bands under symphonic metal :D

After Forever is a Symphonic Metal band that has strong Progressive Metal influences

I agreed, Lindsay. Nightwish should be on board. Nightwish is very Importing.

+Banger are you guys going to still do the episode on death/doom metal?

I loooove this episode!!!! I love symphonic metal since I was 16, now I'm 29 and still love It. Nightwish, Apocalyptica and Within Temptation are my favorites. Thank you Sam for all your work

After rewatching this episode and hearing some of this bands for the first time, one band that I think should of been added was X Japan you all might hate me for saying X Japan but I think with Yoshiki's musical background influencing the band to almost the ominous feeling especially after listening to their 30 minute masterpiece Art of Life

Hope they have Post Metal scheduled in the future.

I can agree with this list! Nicely done. I just feel like I have to write these stuff :D Intrestingly Waltari released in 1996 crossover spectacle: Yeah! Yeah! Die! Die! Death metal symphony in deep C. They played live with orchestra and alto opera singer (+ Tomi Koivusaari from Amorphis). The show got mainstream medias attention in Finland. Album also has some other random genres in it but Waltari was known for that craziness. However I understand that Waltari isn't on this list, but their album should be recommended for one of the milestones of symphonic metal. And yes, Emperor made album In the Nightside Eclipse in 1994 which clearly has symphonic influences. I'm pretty sure that they have also opened boundaries for bands in other sub genres too.

Could there be a combined subgenre? I think that neo classical& symphonic metal should be combined, because you can't have one with out the other..

How about an episode featuring metal bands using non-conventional instruments as main instruments? Like Resolution 15 who uses electric violins instead of guitars? Just an idea, i'm not sure if there really are enough bands like this out there to warrant a whole episode, but it's definitely a subject worth mentioning.

Virgin Black is a great recommendation. Just bought 2 of their albums!!! Powerful stuff....Thanks Lindsay....

From Colombia. I agreed with you! Nightwish is from my generation and they have amezing lyrics

Thank the gods Lindsey mentioned Virgin Black. I immediately check out the first album I came across on KZfaq "Sombre Romantic". Oh man. I'm hooked. Any album recommendations for Virgin Black? What should I avoid?

i missed the initial broadcast but i must throw mister Tobias Sammet's AVANTASIAs top hat into the ring. very influential symphonic metal with celtic leans. you can get lost in their catalog let alone the picture all the albums paint as a whole. taking risks, top notch story telling and no apology stylistic approaches AVANTASIA is incredible. lengthy discography but my personal favorite is SCARECROW

Haggard is a German band; however, due to their great success in latin-america, it seems they've moved to Mexico, I've seen them twice in the early 2000's, they played with orchestra and choirs. In addition I'd suggest Lindsay is gorgeous!

hey,Lindsay, i have a question for you.. Would a operatic half range/ocative be ok to use in symphonic metal?

How can you not know Haggard? oO

Very good episode! However, in the Power Metal Lock Horns, they moved Nightwish, Rhapsody of Fire and Sonata Arctica from Power Metal to Symphonic Metal. Now Sonata Arctica is not even considered anywhere! They could have at least put them back on power metal! This show needs someone who checks consistency...

How about a segment of Lock Horns on Symphonic Power Metal ? Nightwish may be a better fit on this type of chart...their keyboardist Tuomas said it best : "We are a power metal band." but they also have symphonic elements in their sound. Both Nightwish & Xandria could be the two bands that provide a bridge between the two subgenres !

Whatever happened to Tristania in this list.

was that Theater of Tragedy at the start? What song and band was that?

Sam, could there be a symphonic power metal branch added to the metal family tree?

I'm late to this and this isn't related to Symphonic, but would you do an episode discussing the Visual Kei genre. It came up in Glam, but i think it deserves a branch. Drawing from glam, goth, industrial, and even death metal, it is a very interesting genre. The case could be made that Visual Kei is more of a fashion statement than a musical genre, but I still think it should be mentioned. Originating in Japan, but not limited to it, VKei is a sub-genre that I think is underappreciated in the West. As for the Legend, it could only be X Japan. Their sound and look pushed the boundaries of heavy metal in Japan.

What about Lacuna Coil???

Awesome. Thank you, Sam. Hail Banger TV.

Dear Banger, Great show, thanks. I find the interlacing artefacts from the close-up camera quite distracting and messy. Could you please deinterlace your video before uploading it or even better shoot it progressive? It would be much appreciated.

Thanks new band for me to check out some I have heard of but cool thanks bro, keep metal alive bro.

I think Virgin Black fits more in the goth scene, along with Saviour Machine, both great bands!

Gave this video a like when virgin black was mentioned. Never thought of them as symphonic, but of course they are!

First symphonic metal I ever heard was "Wormwood" by Tristania and it absolutely blew my fucking mind!!

Sam , how about doing a segment on Symphonic Power Metal?

I'm so mad that I fell asleep! This whole episode devolved into the argument I made on the symphonic black metal episode, that maybe we need to split symphonic and symphonic extreme to avoid a million symphonic sub-sub-genres with two bands each.

I... really like...what... you are...doing. Good episode...and nice to... see Lindsay appear...on...the show!. A bit of sarcasm here, but, really, good work. I do get a bit annoyed by the excess of pauses when you speak to the camera, but thankfully, you don't do that when speaking to guests, and it sounds so much better. Not wanting to be a ass. It's meant as constructive criticism. Still a fan!

When is the new LIVE stream??

There should have been estatic fear I think but i dont know plz let me know if it should have been there in the chart or not somebody plz

took you long enough to add rhapsody but at least you got it! but what about avantasia and some other bands that you took out of power metal cause they were "too symphonic"

I was the one from Barcelona!

The left out some great bands like leaves eyes and after forever

Without Symphonic Metal there would be no Symphonic Black Metal, Symphonic Gothic Metal or Symphonic Power Metal

Celtic Frosts Into the Pandemonium started it. Then Paradise Lost Gothic. Then Therion. Then Emperor in the Nightside Eclipse. Then came the female fronted Theatre of Tragedy,Tristania,Nigthwish,After Forever, Epica, and Sirenia and Within Temptation

why isn't Xandria on this chart.? I love the fact that they use different types of music on their records as background ..their lyrical themes are superb & their lead singer has a beautiful voice..

Glad the technical thrash pioneers Believer got at least one bare mention. I'm a fan of everything *but* Believer's full-orchestra-and-opera-singer symphonic songs, but they should be acknowledged as one of the very first (possibly actually the first) to do this full on: specifically, it was the song 'Dies Irae' on the 1990 album Sanity Obscure and the 'Trilogy of Knowledge' tracks on the 1993 album Dimensions. Again, I'm not a huge fan of those particular songs (or symphonic metal generally - sorry) but most of Believer's fans and various critics consider them to be watersheds and highlights.

why did't you talk more about Epica? Now adays, they are the most important band in the scene.

Kamelot is a Symphonic Power Metal band. They belong on both branches.

Septicflesh Country of origin: Greece Location: Athens, Attica Status: Active Formed in: 1990 Genre: Atmospheric/Symphonic Death Metal Lyrical themes: Fantasy, Mythology, Occultism, H.P. Lovecraft Current label: Season of Mist Years active: 1990-2003 (as Septic Flesh), 2007-present

I have a question for lindsay schoolcraft. If Leaves' eyes is a symphonic metal band, why do they still have the beauty& the beast vocals from Gothic metal? COuldn't leaves' eyes be a symphonic gothic metal band?

I have a question for Llndsay Schoolcraft; Is there a big difference between symphonic metal & symphonic power metal?

This is my favorite show on KZfaq. Period.

When I listened to virgin black I could've sworn there albums were recorded live. I think all studio albums should be recorded live.

Sam ,are there any limited edition lock horns t shirts left?

Why is the audio so bad? Spoils my joy... NVM, seems it got fixed after some time.

the first band that turned me onto this was 'therion' but 'nightwish' brought it to a higher level.

Ohhh thanks for introducing me to Haggard!!

Should Power Wolf be on the list. They aren't traditionally symphonic but the vocals as well as their organ/keyboard are very based around liturgical choir music.

Haggard is a insane one but Im not sure for this branch

In my opinion Savatage should have been on that list. They are founders of symphonic/ opera metal. Cheers from Beirut Lebanon

Hehe... Where would one put Sigh, out of curiosity?

I don't think these ladies were even out yet at the time of this video, but Exit Eden is an excellent new symphonic metal band.

Sins of Thy Beloved should be on here

My Legend is a Tie between 3rd And The Immortal and Theater Of Tragedy !!!

EPICA EPICA EPICA!!!

If you are gonna add Fleshgod Apocalypse, you might as well add Dimmu Borgir.

we need one on folk metal ... korpiklaani, ensiferum, alestorm , eluveitie, finntroll ... (although where is the line between folk, viking, pirate sub sub sub sub x10 genres ) but just fun drinking metal that sounds kinda like polka basically

this list seems about richt. (not fully) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonic_metal_bands

Virgin Black FINALLY !!! Even for a Christian Band as well !!

Both Kamelot & nightwish can fit on to two branches of the metal tree.. symphonic metal & power metal

Fleshgod Apocalypse is upthere but no Dark Lunacy? Devoid was released back in 2000 by Metal Blade... also No Tristania? my wife is upset about it

there's a sub genre of symphonic metal,which needs to be spoken of on lock horns... Symphonic power metal... Nightwish, Blind Guardian& Yngwie Malmsteen obviously are the first three shoots on this branch.. Nightwish for their introduction of the soprano voice to metal Blind Guardian ( for their use of classical sounds in the background on their lps) Yngwie Malmsteen for his incorperation of fugus, symphonic & appregios into power metal... playing classical pieces on the electric guitar isn't easy

I love seeing Lindsay!!! No, please don't go thru that effort... I'll gladly kick your ass in the morning ;) Already taken? The story of my life.

Where's Xandria?

what about Dimmu Borger?

sam i think you should start an instagram account as it will help more peple come to know about this amazing channel

Hey guys, turn off interlaced video on your cameras if you can!.. this works well for CRTs but basically looks horrible on any modern display. It's the jaggedy lines on sideways motion ..

Kamelot is a combination of symphonic metal & power metal.

Do you have a bird or something flying around the studio hitting the mic!? Tell the sound guy to stop slapping that thing..

Why isn't within Temptation on this chart..? their early lps were the progenitor for the genre

Why couldn't I find Schoolcraft when I went to Metal-archives.com?

3rd and The Immortal

KAmelot is a symphonic power metal band..like Nightwish

love Epica

Lindsay! \m/

Not even a mention for Van Canto? They are like a gate way drug to it.

Septic Flesh is the greatest. Period!!!

In the case of Delain they also don't have the time out right to do that.