Mary Harrington has worked hard to organize the many threads of modern human decay into governing principles that are simple enough for us to all get our heads around. I'm with her on the self defeating technology principle. As a medical doctor for over 40 years, I sadly retire to see that the general health of most humans has plumited. It feels like all my efforts to help humans have been in the face of a more powerful negative trend. Infact most humans seem to be self distructive and have no empathy for others. Mary has increadible powers of insight into the collective human condition, and has the gift of english language expression for our delight. Many thanks.

"People also, when they agree with each other, make plans together, and don't necessarily tell everyone those plans--which is a conspiracy, but it's what people do naturally...." Excellent point. Conspiratorial behavior shouldn't be treated as outlandish or unlikely simply on the basis that it remains opaque to outsiders.

This format is more natural than most, very good work and a very interesting (and encouraging) series of conversations.

Wanted to commend the sound quality on what was obviously quite a windy day! Also, certainly not as an afterthought to the sound, the way that Mary Harrington speaks is incredible; as in her ideas are communicated not only clearly but poetically and with wonderful similes throughout. She has truly been blessed by God as a wordsmith!

How natural is a beautiful conversation, and how lucky am I to be privy to this exchange. What excellent direction, to feel that there is no direction at all -- that there is no camera to separate us, that I am just as present as the wind to their words.

0:51 plundered colonized an enslaved peoples is not how ‘we’ became rich . Slavery hold back the economic growth of a country because there is no pressure to improve efficiency because workers are trapped. This is detailed in Sowells analysis of why the Industrial Revolution happened in Europe not America. Humans have been slaving for all history yet this growth of material wealth happened in the last 300 years, when slavery was abolished in 1836! So for more than half of that last 300 years the world under the British empire was not slaving, it was expending resources to stop slavery. Finally, look at any post colonial country and you’ll see they are intimately better off materially post colonisation than before

Gloriously quaint format and very well produced. I could watch this all day.

Wonderful presentation. A breath of fresh air to the usual podcast studio!

It never ceases to amaze me how very smart people can believe very stupid ideas.

Mary has built this entire intellectual shell for why she wants to be a stay at home mum. I read her book "Feminism against progress" and it was very profound and her perspective new, it was all about her. Her inability to keep a job, her feeling left out of socialization (her autism), her obsession with (biological) sex. This is the second interview I've heard from her (first being red scare) and this was less focused on her personhood which I appreciated.

In my admittedly anecdotal experience the zoomers look increasingly dead behind the eyes.

"Human personhood being universal" is not a Christian vantage point, though. The Stoics had that kind of a vantage point as well; and it is present in Confucianism and Buddhism at least.

How is this recorded? I really fancy the format, style and aesthetics.

I really like this format. Highly enjoyable!

My wife and I have our third child on the way. Love you Mary

The PLACE where these talks were done was very meaningful to me because, the pace and the feeling of the narrative reminded me of how the intricate tapestry of life has changed rather rapidly. Yes maybe we need to slow down sometimes to a gentle stroll instead of enthusiastically operating at computer speed. We humans are starting to feel and measure the consequences of the Financial , and morally bereft overlords. Great freedoms have come at a cost. Have hope. Have peace. Have love. Slow down and smell the roses.

A fascinating conversation wonderfully presented.

Good Q and A and conversation session, very informative, I need to read more from her. The UK sure does have lovely countryside, hope to go back there someday.

Never bought progress as the ideology it is. And I tell you as ex-Californian., it hurt me, many, many times.. a culturally enforced lie..

I generally agree with the argument that apparent progress hides some regress. But her example of wealth and comfort increasing due to exploitation, colonization, and slavery is erroneous. For the most part, colonization didn’t exploit the colonized; it brought them better institutions, more security, more food, better employment, more rights.

Mary Harrington is beautiful. Whether you agree or not

I was fascinated by this until they completely misrepresented the concept of the 15 minute city. It is a planning idea that new developments should have all essential services within a 15 minute walk of where you live. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with restricting how often you can you leave you house or how far you can travel.

Wonderful video. Succinctly explains its subject matter and has a wonderful visual and sound accompaniment. Well done.

I completely agree and I think we should be asking what progress means and if indeed we want what that is.

Interesting. Lots of under-discussed topics. I quibble over many of their assumptions but loved the chat.

Very interesting discussion. Mary seems to ignore nuclear power and the future possibilities of fusion.

Enjoyed this walk and conversation. Thanks

Love Mary- just a personal experience of what she talks about around 1:19 my friends and I (grammar school girls late 90's) weren't put on the pill by our parents we took ourselves to family planning clinics and didn't even tell them. Teen magazines and sex education, then called PSHE, told us we could, so we did. We felt empowered and grown up at the time. This was in one sense our own choice but actually it also wasn't- it was just definitely the 'done thing' at the time. We never questioned the sensibility of pumping ourselves with hormones for the next 15 years or so. Most of my peers (now 40) choose non hormonal or barrier methods of contraception.

I think there are less differences between china's use of surveillance and the UKs use of surveillance than you say. The UK is just slower with the implantation.

Great format. 👏👏

Loved all of this.

He got her in the last minute or two of the entire discussion, dude got a card carrying feminist to say out loud the most obvious, fundamental and comically trivial fact to everyone who is not mentally ill across all time and culture - paraphrasing; IF you want a society/culture to thrive then the fundamental building block of that culture is a traditional family structure. He stopped short out of mercy to get her to admit that traditional gender roles are the most efficient and effective format for that unit.

All online discussions should be conducted in this settings. Interrupted by a tractor halfway through being an essential ingredient.

I look forward to Mary’s interview on New Humanum.

Excellent. Really enjoyed it, thank you.

I think the feminisation issue is part of the reason a lot of young boys idolise the Tate brothers. I don't think those young boys hate women all that much (though I imagine some do), they just respect that the Tates have shown them that it's possible to live a life that involves adventure, risk and danger instead of being stuck in an office all day. And people who have no interest in risk/adventure/danger/etc have such a hard time understanding those who do. It was like when people were ditching cosy and successful lives to join ISIS and all the "people become terrorists when they have no options in life" people were left scratching their heads...

Nice. I want more

She asks the same question I ask "progressives: what exactly are you progressing towards?

great stuff

regardless of whether or not women are better at caring and nurturing, from what I can gather men as single parents generally have a much better success rate when it comes to raising kids who don't drop out and don't commit crimes and go to prison, so I wouldn't say it's an incoherent worldview like she tries to suggest.

Love the convo, hate it while having dinner.

Brilliant!

Great film loved it, subscribed!

Just saw Harrison on Culture Forum and came to this channel... Had hoped it was more sane but then... The guests 😂

By the end, Mary is lit.

The issue modern humans face when encased in a fiscal system, of 'forced' continued growth. Is population numbers. Most entrepreneurs are bemoaning the decrease in youth population size, of most western styled countries. With the 'disaster' of an ageing society. "It is the defining and most important factor in society today" ...they all decry. This is because their fiscal model must have new consumers buying, new iterations of old products. In order to continue manufacturing limitless profit. The US has open boarders to swell the amount of people buying stuff. Europe would prefer the same system... their livelihood is based, on an ever-growing, unstoppable amount of consumers. The main issue with population size is freedom. The more there are, the less human everyone becomes.There is no upside to this demographic. The amount of freedom you enjoy, is directly linked to population size. Take the food industry. Food is no longer made by 'traditional' methods. It has been completely taken over by 'science'. Who's main job requirement is to reduce cost. To use a 'waste food product' instead of an expensive ingredient. Also to keep foods shelf-life optimal, so they fill it with stuff, from their fun box of chemicals : Fillers, Binders, Flowing agents, anti-caking agents, carriers, artificial sweeteners, preservatives, colourings and emulsifiers. This has led to all processed food being detrimental to your health. Never... has there been less hunger in the world, but processed foods, are causing enormous health issues with those that are now not going hungry. Even the non-processed variety of food-stuffs is heavily treated, with chemicals 'from seed to plant' and then frozen for years in storage facilities. Modern food is an alien species that no ancestor of ours has ever consumed. This is directly related to feeding so many... through the only important factor, the continued accumulation of wealth at all costs. It is not hyperbole to say... that all of the food you purchase at your supermarket, is ( albeit slowly ) killing you. In the West, the future is organised and run with fiscal growth, as the only measure of success. There're no mandates or societal goals. Everyone that lives in the West feels this lack of a purpose, lack of a reason to live... except to consume. Sanctified individual greed to maximise consumption - Which is the only principle Western society is set up for.

Will we ever see an episode of Symposia with Theodore Dalrymple? :)

Interesting musings on the 'cosmic order' of life and death in the wilds of the country. Roger Scruton also writes about this in his work 'On Hunting'. 'Necessary Violence' is a deeply politically incorrect idea today, but as you two discussed, it was a dynamic that brought order and cemented healthy forms of gendered identity and expression. Without violence, life does tend towards a totalising femininity, which is more harmful in many respects.

The same can be said about your analysis. You have decided the truth at the onset and then proved it.

I enjoy Mary's broader perspective but she starts out rough in this one. From about 0:43 to 1:05 she enunciates a set of contrasts that are absurd; yes, there is still war and torture, but in absolute and relative terms they are vastly diminished. To compare without noting the global reductions in hunger, poverty, violence, and war is misleading at best. I would refer her to Ola Rosling and his family's excellent work at Gapminder foundation. Things are better in most places for most people.

Many of the statements are patent nonsense....We (the british? or the english-speaking peoples?) has been built on the backs of plundered, colonized and enslaved peoples. I'm British Canadian. My ancestors were evicted from their lands in scotland...they then practiced subsistence farming in Canada, settling in a sparsely populated part of the country..as the country developed we migrated to the cities, got a modern education and joined an industrial society. The narrator of this piece is an over-confident, strident simplifier who thinks that all of western civilization can be reduced to the plunder and oppression of others. The history is much more complex and multi-faceted. Take India for example. Explain why the Indians have chosen to retain much of which the British created there....a parliamentary, multiparty system of government...th abolition of sati and other forms of female oppression...roads and railways....hospitals....factories...telegraphs...a system of schools and colleges...a military capable of defening the country...an impartial civil service...does that fit neatly into her characterization of a society built purely on pure oppression?? Did post 1948 India demolish all these institutions? No, it kept all of them.

Wandering in the weeds to nowhere

Brilliant woman.

I think rainbow unicorns are perfectly nice, but should be made with hemp derived plastic.

The first thing that seems to me is that neither of you have the first idea of what the vast majority of people's reality is. I would think on the eastern outpost of big estate CWD country that the doubling of the population since the early seventies has largely passed you by.

It certainly doesn't seem as though you know how little you know. But I do like your looks.

If you look at it mathematically, the PERCENTAGE of humans who live in relative comfort and safety with longer lifespans is vastly higher now than it was in centuries and millenia past. There are over 8 billion of us now. Long ago when the population was a fraction of that, nearly everyone who wasn't royalty or in some way elite barely eeked out a living or lived in abject poverty, and died young. I do qualify that as at least one valid metric of progress despite some of the legitimate arguments made here about tradeoffs.

If we all managed to maintain this level of a scholastic view into life & us, it would preclude the use of contraception .. Somehow maybe semen might escape from ones thick woolen pj's, yet I fear whatever was conceived would be a far cry from any degree of knowing passion. Both dogs seemed recklessly searching for some sign of excitement ahead.. I expected eventually they'd arrive to a farmers driveway sign reading- 'don't overthink your concept of beauty'🐦

When did progress come to mean everything gets better in every way with no costs?

Mary: please, please, please visit Brigham Young University and speak at a Forum there.

"Two words long and not very polite."

I thoroughly enjoy these videos over and above Tucker Carlson.

Progress doesn't mean progression. But humans have had almost unlimited progression - with often limited progress.

Progress at just about any cost is still progress. I disagree with some of the underlying premise.

Folder of time

atom bomb stopped us from playing total war, war now has rules, we broke our favourite game.

Very Odd. I clicked on this for the title, I didn’t realise that this was a ‘European Conservative’ channel. I would place myself as far left in the current Overton window. (Well I think I’m left wing, but just to be left wing is considered far left nowadays). I completely agree with everything she said in the first few minutes! But how could one possibly want to be conservative, even in a small C sense, and support unbridled capitalism? It’s steam rollering everything around us. Very odd that such people are on the right.

I’ve moved beyond middle age. I don’t know very many people in my generation, siblings, friends, myself, current partner, who haven’t had failed marriages and some even failed second marriages. And these failed relationships have impacted children. I don’t think the marriages of previous generations were any happier, they just were trapped in their misery by social convention. Children need the security of healthy adult relationships to underpin their development. But the answer isn’t marriage. The answer is coherent and secure communities. The nuclear family is not protected by conservation of traditional values in a re-vamping of fusty old Victorian values, as if they ever brought us social stability and healthy lives for anyone. The solution lies in going much more radically back into what grass roots communities have always achieved by being faithful to the needs of children and adults alike in a more communal way. I think it’s within these kinds of radically committed communities that the kinds of social pressures could operate that would allow for a more healthy relationship between the sexes. There’s a lot of thinking to be done to integrate social ethics with radically different ways of being a physical community

When we have people shouting reproductive rights they seem to be silent on the much broader concept beyond abortion. We currently have lawsuits going on over property rights to viable, frozen humans.. We, as she points out, have not yet fully ironed out the ownership and sovereignty rights involved in surrogacy. Yet, as stated in the video we seem to be moving toward the commodification of human persons and collectivisation of individuals. Moreover, it seems like a great many who will be negatively impacted in the long run are among the most vocal advocates for the short term economic lift.

Mary Harrington: intp’s so you don’t have to!

Now this is a random video recommendation.

see: Land, Plant CCRU for what inspired the xenofem ideas.

27:17, "To which the response is two words long and not very polite." I have a writer crush on Mary Harrington

Sad sad sad Mary Harrington such dark eyes you see the world through dark gray sadness you're so safe that you have to find problems with her luxurious life. The future requires that you place your faith in it otherwise what's the point of being alive. " I can improve myself" that's the first step to Faith in the future create a better future Mary. Have faith that you can do it. Faith is not a gift to something you create you don't have faith in yourself how can you wake up in the morning or you gonna become a drunk drug addict you're preaching drug addiction here. Faith is a gamble but cynicism is not wisdom

"We grew richer by plundered and enslaved peoples"? Yeah no, Im pretty sure taking some wooden artefacts from some tribes did not lead to the development of our economies and technologies.

She comes off as an extreme vegan. Is her critique of the idea of progress born out of a liberal frustration that progress hasn't occurred in the degree and form that she desires?

Mary can eat! Most woman would be so worried about looking like a pig that they would just peck at their plate. I love her!

Is the globe Pre-first world war figured into Pinker’s calculations ?

Within the first minute, I already didn’t care at all what you had to say for the rest of the video.

First time watching this show, is it supposed to be Tory in some sense? I think Mary is arguing the (free or unfree) market has shafted us all

Slow Down Mary

I thought this would be about outdoor fu*king... 😐😠

China has similar problems, but in each culture some of the variables are unique to that culture. Females moving to bigger cities and males at farms, both shopping in other countries if they can. Similar to passport bros in America, and UK has similar. China has a few compounding factors going on. As far as transhumanism. 40% of men throughout history never had kids. 60%+ of young males not even dating today. Bioengineering and artificial wombs will help part of that for them. A.I. companions and robotics another part. Males might be the first/faster adapter to the tech due to statistics and things will start to change as females adapt also. The irony though is the sexual devide will grow. With luck A.I. might be able to help match people in interests and such. Genetic engineering helping to create desired qualities. Though a lot of the technology will only be available to the rich and upper classes. And the disaffected lower class or throw away population will still be stuck at the bottom. Upward mobility has shrunk. As far as population decline and replacement. Hypergomy is not 100%. It looks like infertility rates may bottom out around 20% from what I am guessing looking at statistics. But to that and what is being selected for looks like 2 main types to me. Population will not totally crash unless a E.L.E. happens. But I think humanity may be seeing a bottle neck ( gene pool )event soon. Again just my guess. Multiple countries have population and birth rate problems. The silent crisises going on with parts compounding. As far as social media and social imprinting with toys. Females or more specific female products out spend males 10 to 1. So the change in female toys due to female likes is driven by female statistics. Social media rotting brains and forming narcissist and such. Feeding ego silos and creating or strengthening biases. Dopamine and ego traps. Manipulation and delusions Feeding naritaves. It doesn't look good what social media and things like hookup culture have done to people.

13:30 its simple. Nurturing is not the key to successfully raising kids. Actually all the data shows the structure and and discipline are. Actually, nurturing is key to raising entitled sociopaths, which is what weve got now. To quote Mr Durden, "we are the generation of men raised by women, I'm beginning to wonder if another woman is really what we need."

If it is not controversial then it is not a conspiracy theory?

At the cost plundered enslaved people is why Europeans are so rich? But these plundered folks lived in squalor and practiced slavery before they ever met Europeans

Why European? You're as English as the May pole and fox hunting.

Um, rainbow Brite dolls were classic toys of the 80's.

This woman sounds like an Entryist to me. She does not sound like a Conservative.

2:41 "It has a feminising effect", you may be right in regard to violence, but the "onerous physical work in the fields" aspect is nonsense to anyone who has studied agrarian society. Just look at contemporary agrarian cultures in Africa, the manual labour is almost 100% done by women, alongside 100% of the child rearing, cleaning and food preparation. The boys look after the cattle and the men are waited on while they rest in the shade, all they do is hunt from time to time. The concepts of extreme manual labour in places like oil rigs and mines is relatively modern. And even with mines it was until modern times (post industrial revolution) primarily children and slaves that did that labour - including women.

at the begining...this woman was talking for 5 minutes straight in one run-on-sentence, without talking a breath or pausing for a coma, semi-colon, or period......in her "dialog" with the fellow she walking with, her words out number his 100 to one......given the title ...I was expecting him to cup her mouth, drag her off into the bushes and have at her in order to get her to stop talking

wearing a fur coat is also transhumanism thou

As a socialist, there's a lot to agree with here.

You’re right it is all about perception. For example if a rich country didn’t have a self interest in one it arrives at, or as you call it colonialism, they may not have a kick start like say Australia received 200 years ago. Which would mean a slower longer growth. Sort of like some African countries of which the west has no interest. Now which is more important do you think. Bring a country out of the dark ages, lifting poverty like in say China and investments there, or colonialism and all the felt draconianism. Now to take a different perspective, we have to live many lives and live in many series of circumstance. Being a word smith and carving out righteousness without living within Is simply opinion without lived facts. Thankfully the Universe provided reincarnation for this

None of this matters.

She doesnt listen well

Who eats a burger with a fork and knife?

Looks like a nice place to eat and drink. Anyone know the location?

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The way I see it, birth control is often revealing how many children genuinely were wanted. I have to wonder how many children only exist out of some sort of social pressure, or by some holy order. I often joke about how birth control bans will lead to communist Romania's unwanted kids. I often think about what would happen if guys had a cheap, safe, legal, effective, and reversible anti-horny device. That would really change sexual ecology big time. 50:26 This is why non hormonal IUDs exist. Sex without babymaking. Birth control without chemicals in the water that turn the freakin' frogs gay.