What T'au codex Questions do you have? and what are you most excited for?

Always like the more modern feel of the Tau, using drones and marker lights to amplify military operations. I just could never get into their Greater Good thing.

retaliation and kroot detachments are my favorite option because they dont have a timer to start or expire

I got into Tau because of cool looking mech suits, so Retaliation Cadre all the way.

I agree with you. I hope that rules can be changed (even very much or completely) instead of removing a unit or model (if there is space in the codex), in the future.

I love what they did for Kauyon, now it's truly the stealth detachment it was always supposed to be.

Kauyon for sure, love the ability to redeploy and fase units on and off the field :)

Great review, thanks for the content fellas. Is it me or was there Tau vs Admech batrep that is no longer available, I was watching it, had to pause and when I came back, she gone🤷🏼‍♂️

49:06 the pathfinders shouldn't need a marker drone, they have markerlights on every single model

As someone who has always wanted to get into Tau, and is using this as my opportunity to, I'm kinda glad they got rid of all the options for crisis suits. One of the bigger aspects preventing me from diving in was the fact it was kinda expected to 3d print all your weapons. I really like that you just use what comes in the box now.

Retaliation cadre is easily my favorite, gundam blasting with +1s and +1ap in some aggressive plays. I don’t like the strats besides the two auto play(gambit and 3”ds). Would they maybe make some changes to make pure tide a useful enhancement? Like they obviously made this book before the recent dataslate q&a so those battle tactics absence is felt. Mont’ka has 4 and cadre has 1 or 2. Which one would be better in casual and which one in competitive? I exclude kroot becuz we only got 3 detachments for the real army

I think the book looks like a lot of fun. I really love the high mobility MSU builds. What happened to the live battle report from yesterday? I was keen to watch that after work.

If I only want to run a few kroot units in a suit heavy list, which kroot units would work best?

Big thing about pinpoint counter offensive it does work raw with vespid 😂

Do we know if any of the legends units have been removed at all? Or is there any cool synergy with legends units for example xv9 or even knarloc riders or greater knarlocs??

I love the kroot, and would be inclined to do a all kroot army but how do you destroy high toughness units like knights?

My general takeaways from the codex have mellowed out a little. generally speaking the detachment rules are fine to great, with mont'ka jumping out as the strongest (kind of assuming it'll get faq'd to have assault and lethal hits swap places in the text) while retaliation cadre is probably going to be the most fun for those of us who like high risk/high reward. the kroot detachment is also fine, while kauyon kind of looks like it got scrapped for parts, what with stimm injectors and strike & fade moving to different detachments. I still despise For The Greater Good and I'm sad to see it still there, unchanged (it takes the piss out of markerlights, it makes us the only army that gets penalized for split firing and it acts as an artificial limiter to prevent certain units from natively having BS2+ (commanders) or BS3+ (every vehicle except for tetras and piranhas) The real letdown for me is in the datasheets. Without turning this into an essay: splitting the crisis suit datasheet into 3 separate loadout just highlights the inherent flaw in working with power levels since you can't charge people for wargear so now you have to charge them for their most efficient loadout. Cyclics probably had to go, if not for their absence in the crisis team model kit, then for them being a crutch in the index that made all other loadouts completely irrelevant. That said, giving each datasheet a fixed loadout not just for weapons but also for support systems is something I vehemently disagree with. Crisis suits are *the* flagship unit for customization, to the point that every new tau player is immediately told to magnetize their crisis suits and now they're even more rigid than the skyray. Forcing only crisis suits to have to mix and match drones on top of that just feels spiteful. The second disappointment is with the datasheets that haven't changed: the riptide *should* be a bully battlesuit that should cost around 240-250 points and strike fear in the hearts of units that enter its line of sight, but instead it continues to be a 165 point tanky unit. Likewise it never made sense to me why a small ion weapon on a crisis suit should have the same strength values as those on a riptide or even a hammerhead. Had the hammerhead's ion cannon been strength 9/10 instead of 7/8, you would probably see it a lot more on the tabletop as a unit to take on both elite infantry and small to medium sized vehicles. Lastly the new kroot units look a lot of fun, but there is a real lack of high strength/AP weaponry in the army. It's pretty hard to imagine how a kroot army would deal with, for example, a land raider, questoris knight or even a rhino. The best way so far seems to be to either rely on rampager charges inflicting heaps of damage or borrowing tau units like the skyray to make up for the gap. When the early 10th edition results came in it showed that tau had among the lowest winrates of all factions, something that only changed once we became able to field 2500 points in a 2000 point list (in my case, I had 9.5k worth of tau in 9th edition and saw it drop to 7.1k with the 10th edition points changes). I had been hoping that the codex would have been the prime opportunity for GW to address this: beef up some of our units so the points drops could be reverted. What the codex shows is that we're likely to continue being a hordified faction, possibly until 11th edition. Also on a more lighthearted note: I do have to give GW props to find new and exciting ways to make tau even worse in combat. We were always bad, but now we're a hair's breadth away from 'if an enemy unit is engagement range with this unit, destroy this unit.'

In the interests of getting an outside perspective: how do VT feel about the split fire penalty for For the Greater Good? I know most Tau players despise it beyond the normal for a faction weakness, and particularly so for its negative impact on larger units that would naturally want to split fire to utilise their disparate weapon profiles.

Great analysis!

I love the sound of the new Codex. I think I'd be most tempted by the Groot detachment as I'm a big fan of infantry heavy lists as a Black Templars ⚫❌ player. I don't actually play T'ai so I don't have a specific question about the rules, but I would ask what you might recommend as a good first 1,000 points combined arms force that might be able to benefit from each of the detachments for a new player to learn with? Or a good core to build off of.

What do you guys think about the removal of named characters? Would you have preferred a re-sculpt or at least a new character to replace them? I don't know how the wording has changed but using co-ordinate to engage might not give the observer unit sustained hits 2 since they weren't technically guided. Never give a marker drone to pathfinders they should already have the markerlight keyword.

Deadly Demise should be an Ork strategem as well or something like that. I would have tons of fun with that lol

What about getting a shield for the three different types of Crisis Battlesuits?

Will I be able to run farsight and ethereal together now?

Everything seems interesting and good, really happy 👍👍 What units seem shit is what I want to know now 😅

As a T'au player I'm looking forward to the new book. I don't mind the changes to the battlesuits and have just put together a third unit so that I have one of each to run with the 2 commanders and farsight. Time will tell if they're good or not but a new book is always exciting plus it can't be worse than dark angels 😅

Goong to havw to see how i can give them a farsight enclaves feel

Mont’ka is my favourite cause I don’t have enough suits for retaliation cadre.

Crisis Suits can take up to 2 drones per model, no single model can take a duplicate drone choice but the unit could have 3 gun drones if you wanted

‘Lack of variety’ my man lets call a spade a spade, everyone in the competition scene was just using CiB. It hurts, let that pain. Wash over you and you know- lets grow and move on. There’s lots to be excited about but we can only get there if we’re willing to be excited about it and ready to give these a try with the same enthusiasm as what we had without the other stuff we’re used too

When a model with a shield drone takes a wound I removed the shield drone first

I’m a bit confused, none of the units have the greater good keyword. The faction ability says “Tau Empire” and Kroot data sheets have tau empire on it

Just got the codex today now I understand why they kept referring to the point values when it comes out at digital because this is way off on most of the things. The riptide is 80 points more expensive just one everyone say now it's useful because they made it cheaper. I'm really hoping when they come out on the app that the point value will be closer to what they were before.

Here’s two for the algorithm ✌︎('ω')✌︎

Riptides still feel like a missed opportunity here. So lack lustre for their size on the table.

Thematically, I like Kau'yon. But it seems like the community says it is bad, which makes me feel like it needs some turn 1-3 evasive ability

Just use your gun drone unit as a breacher or strike team unit

Darkstrider + pathfinders gets through unity, devastation :p Doubles up on its usefulness since pathfinders guide 2 units a turn.

God I dont even use them, but the crisis suit demolishing was so unnecessary, fuckin cyclic even being on there for standard units in the first place felt like a typo, trimming them down to 3 squad size would've been plenty

If your a Tau player and love Mont’ka it is awesome codex. Played against Space marines this week. Utterly smashed them. Had the handshake of shame by end of round two 😂

I think You have to review the comment to the out-of-phase rule, with torchstar gambit you cannot activate the grenade upgrade again since if a rule is activated out of phase it does not count for the purposes of activating other rules... Sorry I don't write English very well but I think you understand what I want to explain.

I disagree with the drones. Don't put them on the battle field as it can confuse the enemy on line of sight. I think a good way to have drones marked is to put a paper down or a marker that's not a model.

Ive been playing tau since they released. Ive never been so disappointed with a codex release.

Here’s one for the algorithm ✌︎('ω')✌︎

The absolute state of GW that you have to go “oh this book we have that came out like a few days ago might not have accurate points”. Why the hell are they even doing print media any more if they can’t even keep up with their own stumbling changes?

10th ed has been a DISASTER for my gaming group. Most of our 13 player group has given up on 40k all together. When we do dust off the models, we use 1page rules. Battletech Tabletop has been great as well!