Excellent. Finally watched this wonderful take down of this musical urban naxal..

There is a person Kuldeep Pai, also from Chennai, who is making it a point to teach childern Carnatic music with all devotion and baava? His students are not only a pleasure to hear but also a pleasure to watch. Could you do an interview with him? We spend too much time on the black dots and we really also need to focus on the white spaces. It's fast becoming black spaces and white dots! Oh woe! Remember, too, engergy flows where attention goes.

very clear and elaborate discussion..."you can't sing Bhairavi alapana for an hour without invoking the divine" is a well articulated argument...although i would've appreciate if there was a mention of objection to the artist who we accused in me too movement, setting it aside & calling out accuser doesn't matter

Detailed exposure of urban naxals in the field of Classical Music... Hope the classical music audience and the real Classical Musicians watch this video and enlighten themselves about the threat to Classical Music from urban naxals like T M Krishna.. Must watch video...

Truly delighted. Perhaps the pinnacle of karnatak music lies in one meru kruti of Tyagaraja: Padavi Ni Sadbhaktiyu Galgute .. will our societal status in any manner take us any way close to the lord? Padma, Magsaysay, Sangeetha kalaanidhi, Nobel, Dr BC Roy, FRCS, MRCP, are all awards and awardees certainly respected. However, whether awards which also shape our societal status take us close to the lord? Tyagaraja clearly writes Antarangamula bhavaam (in Endaro mahanubhavulu) is crucial. Similarly Muttaiah Bhagavatar writes Bhavuka Phaladaayinee (in Sri Vidyavedya mahime), Tyagaraja further writes Swara raaga sudhaarasa yuta Bhakti. Similarly Purandara Dasa writes "Adigadi gaananda bhashpa pulakadinda, nade nudige sri hari ennuta" every step the devotee sheds blissful tears chanting the nama of Srihari. Basaveshwara writes 'thanna bannisabeda (donot praise yourself), idira haliyalu beda (don't blame), ide antaranga shuddi, ide bahiranga shuddi. Karnatak music is Bhakti pradhana and virtually all compositions directly or indirectly highlight sharanagathi, true surrender, shedding ego, to the almighty.... and is spiritual music. Tyagaraja, Dikshitar, Shyama shastri composed them for every body without any discrimination. There is a Ranga geethe, which says "Paramartha saadhakara kula kelvareno" .. will you ever want to know the caste of those who are in search of god? .. Bhakti has no caste, we have Bedara Kannappa, we have Nandanar, we have Thiru Gnanasambandhar, and Bhakti movement has no distinction. In fact listening to earlier concerts of TMK compositions in vilamba, such as Jambhupathe, and the way he involves totally in rendering, I did, and even now I do get, the feeling that he is a great devotee of lord. But I wonder how he can remove Bhakti from classical music? Is this possible ever? It is extremely tough to accept this analysis. In fact classical music is a short cut to the lord. Purandara dasa clearly says, ತಂಬೂರಿ ಮೀಟಿದವ ಭವಾಬ್ಧಿ ದಾಟಿದವ (mere playing on tambura, takes the person crossing the bhavasagara) ತಾಳವ ತಟ್ಟಿದವ ಸುರರೊಳು ಸೇರಿದವ (mere putting Tala, implies he has become one with Devathas), ಗೆಜ್ಜೆಯ ಕಟ್ಟಿದವ ಖಳರೆದೆಯ ಮೆಟ್ಟಿದವ (person who dances with gejje, has overcome arishadvarga), ಗಾನವ ಪಾಡಿದವ ಹರಿ-ಮೂರುತಿ ನೋಡಿದವ (person who sings (on lord), has seen the lord, ವಿಠ್ಠಲನ ನೋಡಿದವ (ಪುರಂದರ) ವಿಠ್ಠಲನ ನೋಡಿದವ ವೈಕುಂಠಕೆ ಓಡಿದವ - person who has seen the lord is already in Vaikunta. And Purandara dasa wrote this by his experience and observation, since while singing, playing tambura, putting tala, one gets absorbed in Bhakthi. What else is there in life other than Bhakti? May be people will realize this more in their old age.

This urban naxal has been trying to remove the Bhakti out of Carnatic music and the 3 hr ALLAP of Bhairavi. Hope his followers see through his agenda soon.

Topics such as these need to be discussed and understood by a larger audience if we are to protect our culture and traditions. It is clear that there are forces that seek to cause damage.

great discussion and sharp analysis. tmk shld listen to this.

Brilliant 👍👍 Love from Kashi (Varanasi)

Have watched this for the second time today, everyone must watch at least once :-)

need more such healthy discussions

Can't believe this isn't more widely viewed! Every asthikas should watch this and get educated 🙏🏽🙌🏽

Very clear explanation of a Musician turned Urban Naxal. Thank you very much. 🙏🙏🙏

You may continue this discussion by arranging an interview with Vidushi T S Sathyavathi

Call him RV Naicker

When we say Bhakti, remember it is a feeling very very few can imbibe. Purity of mind is an inevitable factor to imbibe it.. Hence we cannot expect all musicians to come in line with the feelings that saintly trios of Carnatic music have infused into their krithis. Only a few who have the inborn capability and satwik mind set could feel and transmit it to similar minds. In reality, only a lucky few are capable of understanding it. Majority belongs to the other side that TMK represents. Hence considering this fact just leave them to bark to their liking. These types have been there all times and at times in larger numbers. Better let us neglect it...

Thanks for calling out the Urban Naxalite in TMK. Great arguments on his destructive ideology and why he doesn’t talk shit about Hindustani Music and musicians. It is important to note that he smartly won the support of accompanists and instrument makers by talking about equality of pay and status on the Dias. Also, he cherry picks issues like environment, concerts in slums, migrants to win attention and sympathy. Truly matches with Kejriwal. Why are Sabhas still encouraging him? TN is famous for both Sabha and Baba culture.

A request to ths Atharvs Forum: Kindly increase the audio volume.

So patronage is the key. And this power has to be taken away from the Urban Naxals of Music World

TMK started as a true hearted musician..but evolved badly as a half baked naxal....may he uphold his views..but after coming out of sri .thyagaraja and dikshithar. Does he have that guts. Silly.. Livelihood is carnatic music but criticism.is on same sanathana dharma...dual hypocrisy.!fake human

Sandeepji dissects TMK's propaganda, intentions and the damage he is causing to Carnatic music and Sanatan sanskriti in his own inimitable style.

Need musicians to come out and expose TM Krishna. It will be worth the risk .

Glad I found this video. Based on all the recent discussions following TMK’s Kalanidhi Award announcement, I wondered why others / other musicians hadn’t spoken out earlier. This video answered that question. Regarding TMK’s statement about MS Amma that she (supposedly) ‘distanced herself from her roots as an ideal Brahmin woman’ (his words, not mine), isn’t he doing the same thing? (Distancing himself from a presumably traditional Brahmin upbringing to gain a wider acceptance)? In his case, to me at least anyways, that was not even needed, because of his talents, he already had that fame.

@atharva , You have predicted what's happening today 3ys back.

Can you please ensure that the speakers have good quality microphones? The volume level is very low and I have to strain my ears to listen, even with 100% volume on my laptop.

Incredible. What a fraud TM Krishna is...thanks gor doing this discussion

TMK is playing into the hands of those who are looking for opening a new front in the war against Hinduism. All kinds of characters ( who do not know the basics of Indian classical music) are interviewing him. Their objective is not to reform Indian classical music; their objective is to attack Hinduism in all possible fronts.

09:00 I would also include the Chinese civilization along with Indian as the oldest surviving ones. 1:32:00 Swayambhu is not only Shiva linga, there are many many temples of devi, or hanuman, etc. that are swayambhu.

Let’s accept Nithyasri and OS Arun are substandard musicians who’ve failed uphold their tradition and school of music. They would do anything for money.

RAMAYANA KALPA VRIKSHAM was written by KAVI SAMRAT VISWANATHA SATYANARAYANA

Discussion is very interesting except for unnecessary odd hand movements, which are very distracting in the video.

My points: How come no mention is being made in the discussion about All India Radio in promoting classical carnatic music. Sabhas are largely supported by corporates ,mainly PSUs whose influential officers happen to be members of the Sabhas.Others like Nalli and Krishna Sweet do that for their busines peosperity. Thiagaraja was imitated even by Papanasam Sivan who created songs in similar tunes like that of Thiagaraja. Elayaraja`s Mari mari ninne in a different raga brought forth opposition from vidwans like Dr. S. Ramanathan. After all only excellence is imitated na.Those followers of TMK singing in Churches try to keep themselves in the lime light in their fading years. Money is also an important factor.

42.45 to 42.48 penetration upto.........?

Good discussion.. one point I like to make on singing krithi in Jesus.. I do not think any of the musicians OS Arun or Nityashree agreed to change thyagaraja krithi and replace Rama into Jesus .. They were planning to sing a different lyric specially written for praising Jesus .. TMK does believe in that not altering krithi of Thyagaraja or any composers .. I am ok with that .. also reg metoo discussion it was raised why Chinmayi did not raise this before .. I do not accept this argument .. time and circumstances are important in these type of accusations.. we were not ready before for this type of discussion until metoo movement came and many celebrities came forward in US to accuse later it is because it depends on who had power at the point makes it relevant .. important thing is whoever has been accused is answerable to this type of things and we should not blame the victim

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“Only system that has survived where poems are set to tunes.” LOL 1) He seriously has not explored the world of music enough to see systems like in Southeast Asia or Latin America, which use these things. 2) Even if we (wrongly, and hypothetically) assume that only Indian classical music has that element of setting tunes to poems, it doesn’t give any reason to make the musical form differ in terms of accessibility to people. The problem about caste is that what started as a LATERALLY EQUAL labour organizational plan was eventually recharacterized in later systems and literature to be a hierarchy. That hierarchy is wrong. Putting people at different levels is wrong.

Toxic Platforms name not clear

8.57 to 9.00 ?????what he said before .......ancient civilization not clear Pronounciation difficulty

These guys say it like it's the truth. Truth is, it is there point of view.

No outright condemnation ofTMK is needed!!!! He is a devoted carnatic musician and a kalanidhi!!! No doubt! Not an urban naxalite or reformer. He just wants to explore some fields and try to mix it with carnatic music, and just remain as a puritant.

Pronounciation of Sandeep Balakrishna is difficult to follow.. What he said about musician"s encounter with Ashtapadi is not clear. On the whole sound quality is not good

Okay this is absolute rubbish being spoken here. They think a combination of English words make them sound pretty legitimate. So many problems with their arguments; e.g. there is no basis on which they claim that the music must only be made for the praise of Hindu conceptions of God. The very fact that Carnatic compositions are set to depict nature and guru-shishya relationships attest to the non-attachedness of the artform to a certain version of Hinduism (the one he is trying to paint here by justifying the problematic caste segregation, etc), and rather that it’s origin lies in a Hindu way of practice. The content of the music has been immensely diverse, just as the Sanatana Dharma itself, which is so vast and customizable.

That you people are discussing on the thoughts and beliefs of a living human being with out his presence over there. That you are forced to do this marks the influence he could make in the Presentation of music. Sorry to say that as long as he makes people enjoy the music....he will live in their hearts.

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I understand that the interviewer and interviewee dislike tmk. I came to this video to see the arguments/discussions about/against tmk's comments. But for the first 14 minutes that I have heard, I mostly saw hatredness for t m k like calling him a urban Naxalite etc. I wish you had just stuck on his arguments / comments and discuss/disagree on them instead of name calling.

I do not think anybody changed their mind by listening to TMK. He sounds quite stupid saying words ( in lyrics) mean nothing.

You are in denial... Are saying a culture of purposefully slaughtered animal remains becoming priced instruments didn't exist?...Are you either of you an expert in the making and handling of a mridhangam?...Are you denying the ostracism of low caste makers of mridhangam from actual Sabha culture?...Are you arrogant enough to denounce the fact that Christian culture of Carnatic music and Islamic culture of Hindustani music never existed or contributed anything significant ?...Why does music need to praise God to be divine... Aren't you aware God himself is called Nadha brahmam and natya brahmam Nirguna brahmam , sarguna brahmam...When music itself is God where is the need to praise God separately?...I dare you to have a direct conversation with TM Krishna...

If you keep using enemies’ language, you won’t achieve anything.