T20 World Cup final thoughts, India's team-first mentality & Jimmy Anderson's farewell Test

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In this episode of the show, Binksy, Baldy, Raj and Stu share some extra thoughts on the ICC Men's T20 World Cup Final, plus the tournament as a whole, including pitches, the 20-team format & scheduling. We also look ahead to the upcoming Test series between England and the West Indies, and the first game in particular, which will be Jimmy Anderson's final Test.
We start the show by getting Raj's thoughts on the final, since he missed our previous episode, and all wonder in hindsight why none of us predicted India as the champions before the tournament started. There's discussion about Axar Patel and Virat Kohli, India's team-first mentality, and of course praise for Jasprit Bumrah's special talents.
As we move to the tournament overview, we share our thoughts on the pitches, whether we liked the 20-team format, how we might tweak the Super 8 phase and what we'd change about the scheduling and pre-tournament rankings going forward.
In the second half of the show, we return to the white clothing, looking ahead to the West Indies' Test tour to England. We talk about new names in both squads, potential mixed messaging coming out of the BazBall camp and a few Jimmy Anderson thoughts as the realisation hits that we might be about to watch him for the final time.
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0:00 Intro - let's move on from the controversy about SKY's catch
2:50 Extra thoughts on the T20 World Cup final
6:55 Why didn't we predict India would win this a month ago?
11:25 Rohit, Virat and Ravindra Jadeja have retired from T20s - what's next for India?
14:40 Tournament overview: Were the pitches up to standard?
20:25 20-team format and the scheduling
33:05 England v West Indies Test series - squad news
37:05 Making sense of England's squad
46:25 Jimmy Anderson's final Test
52:15 Thoughts on the West Indies' squad

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@SyedSaifAbbasNaqvi 25 күн бұрын

Nothing more satisfying than seeing the Aussies not able to qualify the semis. Rohit basically smacked them out of the tournament this time.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Rohit’s intent was superb - what a way for him to bow out of T20is

@palaninadeson3032 25 күн бұрын

India is different, cricket is a religion in sports for Indians no matter what religion they belongs to. They pray as their own belief but when come to cricket Indians are one to support team India ❤❤❤, that's the love for cricket for Indians ❤❤

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

We love the passion!

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

Tqvm guys for not picking India as favourites , otherwise, the favourite curse would have struck Team India. 🙏🙏🙏

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Haha you’re welcome 😀

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

About the seedings and fixtures, all these matters were discussed and approved by all participating boards before it was released to the public on January 5th. So, everything was known to everyone for 5 months before the tournament started but not 1 board nor media made noise until the British media started the complaints when England was in trouble not going to Super 8. Why didn’t they made noise from January itself if they were sincere? About India playing their SF in Guyana, this was because it was a special request from the Guyana govt to CWI as CWI was one of the organisers. So, all the stories spread by the British n Aust media about ICC favouritism towards India was false. India arrived in Barbados only at midnight after the SF and did not train the day before the final. Where’s the advantage that India got ? In every WC, the British and Aussie media will make noises if their team chances of winning are in danger.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yes no strong complaints from us, but that’s not to say that it couldn’t be improved with some tweaking to allow more time before the semi finals for all teams and especially getting rid of those predetermined seedings. Always good to think about ways to make the tournament a better product for fans and thinking about conditions that will produce the best cricket. Something we forgot to mention as well but hopefully won’t happen again is for an international tournament to follow so closely after the IPL - I do think this has a negative impact on preparation for all the teams, with some handling it better than others.

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcast I agree things should have been better as the journeys between islands was very bad and because of this, teams were delayed and many journalists and fans couldn’t get to the venues . In the end, we all agree on one thing, all the boards were more concerned about the amount they will be getting from ICC than the comfort of players, journalists and fans.

@Araj763 25 күн бұрын

⁠@@thetoporderpodcast About the presseding it was due to broadcaster. Indian broadcaster brought like 90% of the money to the table so we had pressedings and morning matches were alloted to India. Also the Indian cricket team was not happy abt morning matches as condition in the evening were easier. Preseedings had happened in 2014,2016,2021,2022 and it happens in other sports also

@nsn5564 24 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcast So there was no need of any tweaking when Australia won? Or England won? Interesting how that goes...

@Arjun-ev3qm 25 күн бұрын

Did south africa choke or India were too good or bit of both?bcoz they did well by taking spinners apart and also coped bumrah spell well.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yes South Africa should have got to the finish line from 30 off 30 balls, but saying they choked I think would take away from India’s quality in those final 5 overs. Both teams put on a great show but unfortunately only one could win.

@knc2111 23 күн бұрын

We cricket lovers remember Mitch Marsh putting keeping the trophy at his feet trying to make a statement in 2023.Now they could not even reach the semis. Remember the 7 great sins. Pride is one.

@thetoporderpodcast 23 күн бұрын

🏆😀

@user-qd2rt2bv3f 25 күн бұрын

Upset about boundary Africa❌ Bangladesh England Australia Pakistan ☑️☑️☑️☑️

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

There hasn’t been much controversy about it over here in New Zealand - mostly just people talking about what an amazing piece of fielding it was from SKY under immense pressure.

@user-qd2rt2bv3f 25 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcast it's not that world It Chinese mobile they shown indian how did cheating

@Snoozefor10minutes 25 күн бұрын

@@user-qd2rt2bv3fwhat? What are you trying to say bro? 😅

@JamesPlaysCricket 25 күн бұрын

Forgettable World Cup from New Zealand...but hopefully better things to come in the future. Binksy was on fire today! The England squad is interesting for sure, will be interesting to see how the Test Series plays out 👍

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yeah looking forward to this Test series, but sad to say goodbye to Jimmy!

@nsn5564 25 күн бұрын

I had to stop watching at the nonsense about Sky's catch. There is plenty of actual real evidence that the catch was clean. I consider this petty and unbecoming of decent sports people to focus on instead of actually appreciating India's victory. I can't take this any more. Very disappointed in your channel. It would have been a little more gracious to start with something decent. Too bad. I unsubbed. I expect that kind of stuff from the haters at TGC who delight over every opportunity to passive-aggressively troll India, but thought this channel might be different.

@sabertrat 25 күн бұрын

man they just said everyone should get over it, they didn't say anything controversial at all. Watch the whole thing first before jumping on conclusions. But yes, it shouldn't even be a conversation.

@AbleLawrence 25 күн бұрын

Anyone who still talks about the legality of the catch is a bad loser

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

@nsn5564 It’s a shame you feel this way - if you’d watched until the end of that discussion (only a couple of minutes), you’d see that we said people need to move on from it. Whether you think it is a fair topic or not, it’s been a big talking point after the match. We’re all unanimous in our praise for India’s victory and you’ll have seen that during our coverage of the tournament (and even in this episode). I will say that difference of opinion is actually a good thing and it can make discussion more interesting to present different sides to the argument and we can all decide where we stand on certain topics.

@rrao7963 24 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcastnz was robbed 2019 world cup very disappointed 1 extra run they gave they were the winners

@thetoporderpodcast 24 күн бұрын

Yes that was a heartbreaking day for us - except Binksy who is an England supporter! Amazingly we started the podcast together not long after.

@AsitdyaDsr 25 күн бұрын

The line was not marked ( only dry grass) so the original marking must be under the cushion . Either way it’s a fair catch as he took it cleanly as per the existing boundary and as visible clearly on TV. If it’s moved by air or rain or what ever it’s ICC’s and umpire’s job. They declared it as fair . End of discussion. India were best, unbeaten and well deserved wold champions. 🏆 👑

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

I’m not sure if you watched the full episode, but we agree with you and that’s exactly what we said.

@AsitdyaDsr 21 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcast Great. watched it. 👍

@stval 25 күн бұрын

I think based on empirical data, lower scoring pitches tend to converge teams. Look the NY games. Most of them were close. You can argue about the entertainment and thats a personal preference thing but I dont generally have a problem unless its dangerous or something extreme like low bounce. I see some validity to the grumblings about the organisation of the tournament but its lacking some information input which skews perspective. The seedings have been there for almost every ICC tournament going back as far as the 90s. Maybe skipped a few in the middle due to changing formats. But it is 100% to make sure where fans have to travel in advance. Caribbean is not a place where thousands of people can simply travel from one place to another on 1 or 2 day notice. Limited flights being the biggest factor. Both semi finals had 250 minutes of extra time. Since semi final 1 was at night, the carry over time was the next day. It couldnt be the next day for SF2 because the final was on Saturday as the broadcaster wanted the reserve day to be a Sunday and not Monday. It was a logistical compromise. As for the pacing of the tournament, people really start tuning out if and when their team loses. Previous editions, especially if india gets knocked out, had poor viewership even towards the pointy end. You need games everyday to keep the interest.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yes great points and totally understand the need for ICC to consider the logistics for travelling fans in the tournament organisation. It’ll always seem strange to me that Afghanistan for example finished 2nd in their group but went through to the Super 8 pool as C1 (as just one example of this), but in the end the seedings probably made no difference to the outcome of the tournament. Perhaps the unique nature of hosting in the Caribbean presented challenges that simply won’t be as obvious in future tournaments, but we still found it interesting to talk through the things we liked and didn’t like.

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

Btw, wat you guys think of Root’s latest statement about Bairstow’s stumping by Carey during the last Ashes series? For me, it’s a bit too late as if he had said this when the stumping happened, it wouldn’t have been a big controversy as it was.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yeah best that we all move on from that - the actions spoke at the time and both teams I’m sure are thinking more about the next Ashes than back to that series.

@lakshminarayanpanigrahy3076 24 күн бұрын

Good to see that the monopoly of England, Australia is over

@thetoporderpodcast 23 күн бұрын

Don’t forget New Zealand 😀

@rahulkapur687 25 күн бұрын

Not a choke by SA... Indian skill and grit choked them and then it was a knock out! The threat of J. Bumrah makes top batsmen behave in strange ways, even when he's not bowling! 🇮🇳

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yes J Bumrah is quite the bowler - such a joy to watch.

@AbleLawrence 25 күн бұрын

The whole seeding system is a legacy of the old ICC dominated by England and Australia. Even Australia New Zealand World Cup in the nineties had such seedings

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Did those seedings determine who played who in later rounds? Maybe they did and we didn’t realise. Just seems very strange. Afghanistan for example finished second in their pool but went to Super 8 phase as C1 because they took what was viewed as NZ’s spot. Wouldn’t it make more sense for West Indies to be C1 and Afghanistan C2 to reflect the actual group result?

@srk2213 24 күн бұрын

Suddenly so many podcast channels talking about India😅,

@thetoporderpodcast 24 күн бұрын

😀Absolutely - although with the IPL followed by the WC it has been 3 months of us talking about how good India are, which some listeners have enjoyed and some haven’t!

@GotheBlackCaps-wf9ku 25 күн бұрын

What a credit it is to Jimmy Anderson that he is almost 42 years old and you guys are talking about how he could carry on longer rather than stopping now - and that I agree! Looked the best of the English seamers in India and expect him to be even better at home. Going to miss watching him swing the ball.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Totally - what a legend

@Ozukovsky 25 күн бұрын

The mark on the boundary was from the previous match. Also if the boundary deserves to be brought back and that wasnt a catch then during India's innings everytime they hit towards that side they got denied boundaries as well. So who will keep a tab on that?? The players don't have an issue, the south african officials and cricket board dont have an issue so people should stop creating controversy unnecessarily. If there was something wrong south africa could have written to the ICC

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yes we agree - time for everyone to move on

@beautifulbridgetmb 25 күн бұрын

Great chat guys

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Thanks!

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

England are starting their preparations for next year’s Ashes thus they have discarded their senior bowlers to see whether the new young bowlers can do well and are ready to play in Australian conditions. Their batters 1-6 will not be changed unless someone does really badly , so no changes there. Foakes was not selected because although he is a good WK, he doesn’t score enough runs and the management want a WK who can score 60-70 runs quickly. I think it’s time for NZ board to do the same and check out a few young players as preparation for the retirement of seniors.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Interesting thoughts about NZ - I do think the next 12 months we will start to see younger players coming through in more numbers, particularly in the white ball formats. Ravindra, Phillips, Sears, O’Rourke already, with a few others seemingly close based on the team that went to Pakistan during the IPL and a few other signs.

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcast The one player who seems to hv disappeared is Ajaz Patel since he took 10 wickets against India playing in India which not every bowler can do. Hope he finds his form and get back into the NZ test team asap.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

Yes that was an amazing performance, even in a loss. He may get another opportunity on the tours to Sri Lanka and India (plus Afghanistan test). They may also look to bring a younger spinner into the fold.

@roobanloganathan6498 25 күн бұрын

Now that the curse has been broken by this team, time for Team India to go on and win a trophy every year. The new players who will come into Team India will now be motivated to emulate wat their heroes did this year and win trophies.

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

They certainly have the talent and depth to keep on winning for a long time yet.

@SriMahaVishnu_Lakshmi 24 күн бұрын

Unless you have some proof that boundary has been intentionally moved for India you can't cry on that, It might have been at the same place even when Indian team was batting....

@thetoporderpodcast 24 күн бұрын

Certainly not crying - Baldy was saying that people who are complaining about it need to move on - such an amazing piece of work by SKY it’s a shame this has even become a topic everyone feels so passionate about.

@SriMahaVishnu_Lakshmi 24 күн бұрын

@@thetoporderpodcast my comment is for those who are crying

@ABHIJITHGUDURU 23 күн бұрын

Ppl will cry for anything and everything.

@thetoporderpodcast 23 күн бұрын

Certainly appears to be a few sensitive topics out there!

@SriMahaVishnu_Lakshmi 24 күн бұрын

Please Never Predict India as winner in future also 😂😂

@thetoporderpodcast 24 күн бұрын

Haha - although it’ll be hard not to pick them next time around after this impressive tournament.

@ABHIJITHGUDURU 23 күн бұрын

May be you guys should stop picking India from here on so they win all

@thetoporderpodcast 23 күн бұрын

😀Will be hard to do that again after such an excellent all-round performance from them this time.

@srirampawar2739 24 күн бұрын

You should read all law about cricket (9.3 law)then decide about laws of cricket Do you think 3 umpire is sleeping or blind Think about how to get more subscribers don't talk rubbish about fair play and respect and trust empires

@thetoporderpodcast 24 күн бұрын

Did you listen to what we said? We agree that people need to move on, and said so on the episode. Clearly it is a topic that has touched a nerve for a lot of people, though!

@lakshminarayanpanigrahy3076 24 күн бұрын

You all guys are all talking crap

@thetoporderpodcast 23 күн бұрын

Thanks for your feedback 👍

@lakshminarayanpanigrahy3076 24 күн бұрын

Keep blabbering, no issues. India won the cup. There were umpires and the 3rd umpire. Go and bark infront of the ICC

@thetoporderpodcast 23 күн бұрын

India won the cup very well - great to watch 👍

@kailass3216 25 күн бұрын

They are making money from india and also troll indian team 😂😂😂😂

@thetoporderpodcast 25 күн бұрын

No trolling here, but it seems some people have watched the first minute of the conversation and got very wound up.

@devangmetha 10 күн бұрын

As a small community of international cricket, we all bounce off each other for support and competition. They make their money on merit. Please don’t watch if you don’t like it. Money is not everything and there is a lot of effort behind such podcasts. Regards.