Tale of a Trans Widow | with Tracy Shannon

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Benjamin A Boyce

Benjamin A Boyce

Жыл бұрын

Tracy Shannon tells the tale of the dissolution of her first marriage, due to her husband's at first covert and then open trans identification.
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@soulfuzz368
@soulfuzz368 Жыл бұрын
On a regular basis, the most selfish person you know is being told by their therapist that it’s okay for them to be selfish.
@transitionsnc
@transitionsnc Жыл бұрын
Great way of putting it.
@annarboriter
@annarboriter Жыл бұрын
It's a very lucrative business model
@frankvonfrauner
@frankvonfrauner Жыл бұрын
The most mentally ill body dysmorphic people in the population are being praised and celebrated for it. Imagine being punished for telling an anorexic that they're too skinny.
@63rambler66
@63rambler66 Жыл бұрын
That’s pretty standard.
@jernisharichard5032
@jernisharichard5032 Жыл бұрын
😢sad sad 😢💔👣💔
@exquisitebiscuit
@exquisitebiscuit Жыл бұрын
I am so ENRAGED that your ex claims he gave birth to your children and forces this lie upon them. His whole trans identity is a lie.
@spiritmatter1553
@spiritmatter1553 Жыл бұрын
But he has to have his lived experience *validated*! Waaugh!
@Lucromick13
@Lucromick13 Жыл бұрын
that was so insane
@exquisitebiscuit
@exquisitebiscuit Жыл бұрын
@Lisa's Gaming Hub Arcade Yes, a biological male claiming 1) he is a woman and 2) he gave birth to his children, instead of supplying the sperm is really, really funny. The depths of this delusion are hilarious! I bet he thinks he passes too. I wonder how many people point and laugh?
@LH-kr4od
@LH-kr4od Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It's going to backfire on him on the long term. Lies undermine trust and respect.
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals Жыл бұрын
They do that, consistently.
@jessicamartinez3613
@jessicamartinez3613 Жыл бұрын
The therapist who told her she was a lesbian was insane.
@edda682
@edda682 Жыл бұрын
She's a trans activist.
@user-xr2lv4ll6j
@user-xr2lv4ll6j Ай бұрын
Madness. Smh.
@maryholmes3980
@maryholmes3980 Жыл бұрын
This poor woman and her children have been horribly abused by her narcissistic ex-husband, and the 'system' has been complicit. Under no circumstances should the children be made to validate their father's delusions. My heart breaks for this woman. 🙏
@123YMR
@123YMR Жыл бұрын
It’s not a delusion, those men are fake, they’re pretending, to get attention, to get validation, they feed off the people in their life. To relieve their chronic boredom. They have no inner self, no feelings, no conscience, they don’t care about anyone else even their kids. They’re expert actors, especially in court.
@caitlankelly4367
@caitlankelly4367 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing you can do for a narcissist is to validate them. You hand them a mirror, show them the problem, and hold them accountable. Narcissists can be helped! I don’t know much about gender dysphoria but I assume they can also be helped if they are given the truth. This is a failure of the legal and mental health care systems, a tragedy for every person involved.
@tula1433
@tula1433 Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely anti gender ideology but it does make me laugh that gender critical feminists will say that NO matter when you CANNOT change sex, and bio sex is all that matters, but when a woman’s AGP husband comes out as “trans” then suddenly it’s “she’s not attracted to women” or “she’s not gonna be a lesbian” 😂 But they tell us that no matter how many surgeries someone gets they will ALWAYS be a man, and that “gender” doesn’t matter. Gender is ALL that matters. That is why blow up sex dolls and dildos sell. A blow up doll isn’t a biological woman, but it’s enough to cause arousal! If I see a man walking down the street and find him attractive, then later find out he is trans, my intentions might change, but my attraction is still there, because it was there to begin with. And aren’t gender criticals always saying that people should be able to be gender non conforming, without transition? So since this woman’s husband will ALWAYS be a man, if he just dressed up in womens clothing and didn’t medically transition then a gender crit should have no issues right? He’s still the same sex no matter what he does!! 😂
@milkglassfairy7641
@milkglassfairy7641 Жыл бұрын
PLEASE DO NOT shy away from trans widows!! This is what we NEED to hear, these are the voices that need to be amplified. Please have more trans widows on!!!
@patduffyforever
@patduffyforever Жыл бұрын
Yes and siblings who ve been silenced and are emotionally traumatised by their selfish narcissistic siblings.
@patduffyforever
@patduffyforever Жыл бұрын
@@HeathenGranny ?
@Marymackthequeenofwack
@Marymackthequeenofwack Жыл бұрын
@Tech girl get help! You're all over the comments with this and it's utter nonsense. It's called "deadname" for a reason! You don't get to dictate or police other people's feelings just because you don't like it. Grow up
@RB-jl2qb
@RB-jl2qb Жыл бұрын
@@Simpy553of course they are widows. The person they married no longer exists. This person now pretends they are a woman and won’t let you use their old name because it’s called a ‘deadname’.
@barboglesby2162
@barboglesby2162 Жыл бұрын
@@Simpy553 I am widowed, and I've been divorced too. They are extremely similar. Your being offended is displaced. Her man is dead too, and a nightmare has taken his place. Don't be so quick to judge. Believe me, my heart is broken 24/7 over losing my husband so permanently to death, but the hardship of raising my children and single parenthood, because I lost their dad and my husband to divorce was extremely painful too. Its like you are saying that you lost your legs, and her losing her arms isn't as bad. They both really, really s#ck!
@RinpochesRose
@RinpochesRose Жыл бұрын
‘Virtuous Perverts’ - what a statement. This woman is so eloquent and elegant and has really been through the mill 😢
@warnerchandler9826
@warnerchandler9826 Жыл бұрын
​@@HeathenGranny ...
@HarryFlashmanVC
@HarryFlashmanVC Жыл бұрын
"Selfish pursuit of temporary pleasure "... absolutely spot on.
@femmechatnoir863
@femmechatnoir863 Жыл бұрын
She was kind of selfish too. Why continue trying to conceive after finding out their partner was trans? Also did she not pick up on the narcissistic traits before she married her partner? Did she purposefully ignore certain red flags to fulfill her fantasy of the « perfect nuclear family »
@huckleberryharrison6248
@huckleberryharrison6248 Жыл бұрын
I have a good friend whose dad transitioned. His dad ran through the family's savings, including generational wealth to transition, left his mom, and destroyed the family.
@marynoonan6111
@marynoonan6111 Жыл бұрын
I know one who did exactly that too. Totally devastated his family of 3 little kids & buggered off on his wife. He paid not one cent towards their upbringing yet demanded 1/2 of their accumulated wealth to pay for his Transition. I hope a rainbow coloured Karma bus hits his entitled arse head on. This guy I know is the complete narcissist & he's definately auto erotically aroused by pretending he's a woman. He's an utterly vile individual. The ex-wife now knows she's dodged a bullet. But the wrecking ball he took to his family was breathtaking. His parents & siblings are still reeling from it too.
@jilliansamael881
@jilliansamael881 5 ай бұрын
Sadly, most of them do. I believe the men who transition later in life, after having a wife and children arent transsexual in a sense of someone who struggles with gender dysphoria, but they have a fetish and become more and more perverted as they feed into it. A man with gender dysphoria could never function as a man by taking on the husband and father role, the mental condition is very debilitating... These men are autogynophiles and sexually motivated in what they do.
@ziasciortino
@ziasciortino Жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving trans widows a voice.
@nodarkthings
@nodarkthings Жыл бұрын
Very powerful.
@williambarry8015
@williambarry8015 Жыл бұрын
That's got to be rough on a woman. got to be right up there as finding out your husband is a serial killer. I'm not saying trans and murderers are morally the same just the magnitude of the shock is probably similar.
@williambarry8015
@williambarry8015 Жыл бұрын
@@HeathenGranny Sounds like they lost their loved ones to me.
@Alchomik7
@Alchomik7 Жыл бұрын
​@@HeathenGranny God forbid you get to know the term 'grass widower'. How dare they, eh?
@Alchomik7
@Alchomik7 Жыл бұрын
@@HeathenGranny have a nice day, dear! I hope something nice happens to you today :)
@mariagates473
@mariagates473 Жыл бұрын
My ex who is a trans woman as well is a pure narcissist !!! Also AGP! Most of them are !
@luzclara3855
@luzclara3855 Жыл бұрын
What is AGP?
@heatherduncan4945
@heatherduncan4945 Жыл бұрын
​@@luzclara3855 autogynaphilia
@c.a.greene8395
@c.a.greene8395 Жыл бұрын
It's all about s3x one way or another with men... Everything men do is to bring a better class of sex partners into their lives. This need to wear ones sexuality as your identity is a male concept meant to bring more casual sex partners into one's life- which was amplified during the gay pride movement and done to let the bi curious straight men - know who the gay men are, that they are available for casual sex- and the #1 reason AIDS spread so quickly among men. This new ideology is driven by fetish behavior... Don't worry, when he's pecker and testes are cut off he will become normal again, it should take about 4 years once he's castrated...
@andrea-mj9ce
@andrea-mj9ce Жыл бұрын
@@heatherduncan4945 autogynephilia
@WuHongLee
@WuHongLee Жыл бұрын
Trans is pure narcissism. If you fail to reflect their false persona back to them, they abuse you.
@alexiatrott2714
@alexiatrott2714 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t lose a spouse (I cannot imagine the pain) but I did lose a sister. And it tore my family apart and to this day we do not agree on what happened, my parents allowed it to happen to the expense of my brother and I who were neglected. I don’t have a normal relationship with my sister, who has been emotionally/mentally stunted, she cannot handle responsibility/the adult world. And my parents were given the false dichotomy of “do you want a dead kid or a trans kid?”. Therapists completely ignored the psychological issues in my sister (they said being trans would fix the anxiety and social problems, it didn’t!) and possible autism in my sister as well. No one’s talking about how the autistic kids are being taken advantage by this ideology. But I digress, this was only a sibling and the impact on my family was staggering. God bless this woman and her children and anyone affected by this tragedy
@blk5124
@blk5124 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry this struggle happened to you and your family. Thanks for sharing it. I know people verbally attack people who "don't support Trans" but they're failing to see that 1) it hurts families and 2) there are plenty of times transitioning doesn't work. It's understandable people question whether it can work at all . . ever . . . for anyone. God bless you all. Life has lots of hardships.
@vaska1999
@vaska1999 Жыл бұрын
More and more people have recently started coming out to alert the public about the serious abuse of autistic teenagers by trans activists and the medical industry. Autistic kids seem to now firm the majority of adolescent transitioners. It's at once chilling and heart-breaking.
@benaiahwright937
@benaiahwright937 Жыл бұрын
What kind of society cares more for a grown ass man than a child???
@katieandnick4113
@katieandnick4113 Жыл бұрын
One that’s run by men. So all of them.
@eurekahope5310
@eurekahope5310 Жыл бұрын
Apparently those which center their identities around their sex drive.
@patduffyforever
@patduffyforever Жыл бұрын
The current one. It's all about mens rights.
@etherspin
@etherspin Жыл бұрын
A weak one scared of looking regressive and willing to throw the voiceless under the proverbial bus
@QuinnieMae
@QuinnieMae 5 ай бұрын
A society in which many people don't find fathers to be as important as mothers, sadly. That's one answer.
@theprophetess7940
@theprophetess7940 Жыл бұрын
The fact that he got his wife pregnant while being on dangerous drugs, is criminal
@copperspartan1643
@copperspartan1643 Жыл бұрын
I was surprised she was treated like that by a therapist as far back as ‘98, and in Texas of all places. What a tragedy for her and the children.
@ouwebrood497
@ouwebrood497 Жыл бұрын
I was surprised too. Very surprised. I mumbled to myself: unbelievable!
@MR-cb7pe
@MR-cb7pe Жыл бұрын
I have a relative who did this in 1998 in Texas. Destroyed his family. Even now in his late 70’s he is so lauded for his “truth”. He was even on a cover of a magazine in Minneapolis as “woman of the year. He claims he is a lesbian as well. Has ONE grandchild he has never even met.
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals Жыл бұрын
It was common for the therapists to talk like that back then, because they thought they were "pioneers." Remember the Oprah show with her featuring the couples who stayed after the husband said he's female? The media culture was promoting that we should stay.
@edda682
@edda682 Жыл бұрын
@@MR-cb7pe Good, he never needs to meet the child, ever.
@ariels8322
@ariels8322 Жыл бұрын
I am so glad she said what you do behind close doors does matter to society, also speaking up about to much acceptance of wrong behavior and ideas.
@annarboriter
@annarboriter Жыл бұрын
Well, in that case, the doors are no longer closed
@slash_em
@slash_em Жыл бұрын
​@@annarboriter sure they are. Example: I talk with a lot of alcoholics. They frequently believe that their alcohol abuse hurts only themselves, as long as they are drinking at home. In other words, they are drinking behind closed doors, in the same house as their close family members. Do you not think what they are doing is affecting their families and society?
@ouwebrood497
@ouwebrood497 Жыл бұрын
There are atheists that bring up this statement when it comes to religious upbringing.
@DorianPaige00
@DorianPaige00 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and now she is regulating my medicine at the point of a gun!
@QuinnieMae
@QuinnieMae 5 ай бұрын
It's mostly the religious conservatives that use the "I don't care what you do behind closed doors ..." disclaimer. ​@@ouwebrood497
@leahj361
@leahj361 Жыл бұрын
"Oh that's just YOUR experience" --> the magical words that peaked me (in a different context). I'm so sorry to hear about what this woman and her children went through. People are so quick to judge trans widows as scorned women with nothing important to say. Kudos to Boyce for being more thoughtful.
@madeinengland1212
@madeinengland1212 Жыл бұрын
What? What the *uck circle you move with. ?
@ellenmendoza7246
@ellenmendoza7246 Жыл бұрын
I have a male friend who is transgender ..he's wife could not to deal with this..he lost his wife his job his home and one of his children won't speak to him.. it destroyed his family..now he lives alone.. every one in this family was was hurt by this ..
@Network126
@Network126 Жыл бұрын
My dad came out as trans when I was in kindergarten. My mom cut our entire family out of our lives over it. I grew up not even knowing my own relatives. I could write a whole book. One of his 3 brothers doesn't talk to him anymore either. Now my mom is dead and I'm homeless. It's a long depressing story.
@spitfirefrench
@spitfirefrench Жыл бұрын
@@Network126 sounds like she still did the right thing.
@Network126
@Network126 Жыл бұрын
@@spitfirefrench Not really. Being so isolated damaged me. I probably wouldn't even be homeless now if I had actually developed relationships with my relatives. I have an older cousin who would've been a great father figure and connected me to good jobs when I was younger. Instead my mom kept me in the house, then she lost the house, and I entered adulthood a broken mess. Now I'm homeless and alone, and don't even have relationships with relatives who could've helped me get out of homelessness and set my life straight. I've reached out to them anyway, but they don't seem to want anything to do with me. I'm not even on drugs and I work.
@spitfirefrench
@spitfirefrench Жыл бұрын
@@Network126 true about cutting off the extended family, can’t say many women wouldn’t act the same way though. And I can totally understand cutting him out -
@anthonyhiscox
@anthonyhiscox Жыл бұрын
​@@Network126 the odds are higher that your cousin wouldn't have wanted the burden of being your replacement father, and who knows how much "help" you would have been given on the homeless issue, they're certainly not reaching out to you now. Stop waiting for a knight in shining armor to come along and rescue you from this situation, time for you to put in the work.
@endthelogin
@endthelogin Жыл бұрын
“You can never process it, when you have to survive it” wow hard truth.
@susantempleton5882
@susantempleton5882 Жыл бұрын
“These are the virtuous perverts.” On the mark oxymoron.
@spiritmatter1553
@spiritmatter1553 Жыл бұрын
Quite a turn of phrase!
@Gingerblaze
@Gingerblaze Жыл бұрын
Trans is all about inversion of meaning.
@LH-kr4od
@LH-kr4od Жыл бұрын
Not the first men to fall into that oxymoron by any means. Interesting what Graham Linehan says about the seamless transition of power from one sacred caste of men in frocks to another sacred caste...of men in frocks."
@daheikkinen
@daheikkinen Жыл бұрын
I have my new band name
@michellelarocque9407
@michellelarocque9407 Жыл бұрын
This happened to me...after 26 years then i stayed for almost 4 years during transition...this is insidious...we should be able to sue them for punitive damages for all the pain they cause....I'm so disgusted and pissed off
@vaska1999
@vaska1999 Жыл бұрын
If you don't mind, what did you hope for when he started transitioning? What made you stay with him for those additional 4 years?
@michellelarocque9407
@michellelarocque9407 Жыл бұрын
@@vaska1999 I stayed because I don't tend to give up on people easily...you have to really be an asshole for me to give up on you...he turned into a person I no longer wish to know and I was being mentally abused so I thought I couldn't make it on my own and he basically drained all of our money on surgeries so he could play pretend...I'm still pissed off about it
@andreabobbette825
@andreabobbette825 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how you feel. You have my sympathy.
@SusanaXpeace2u
@SusanaXpeace2u Жыл бұрын
How traumatic Xx
@MM-cv5il
@MM-cv5il 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely awful. I can’t even imagine what you and your kids have been through 😢.
@knit1purl1
@knit1purl1 Жыл бұрын
I had to listen to this in 2 increments, that's how incredibly upsetting this was. I wasn't raised by someone who went trans but by a severe personality disorder. I know how these people operate and what this woman and her children must have endured. It's damaging.
@barboglesby2162
@barboglesby2162 Жыл бұрын
Yes, now they are trying to push Autogynephilia kink addiction farce on the entire Western World.
@2Ryled
@2Ryled Жыл бұрын
Yep they want all the money and attention to go to them
@tablescissors
@tablescissors Жыл бұрын
With the doctors and courts enabling the abuser the whole way through. I am sorry for your pain and salute your perseverance.
@DariaZainabTdad
@DariaZainabTdad Жыл бұрын
This poor woman. So many of these married men who "transition" are narcissists and demand their spouses and families 1. Stay and pretend their choices have no impact and 2. Never speak about the loss of the identities they had before.
@dancingfirefly7761
@dancingfirefly7761 Жыл бұрын
Well. Wow. I've been doing a lot of research into the trans cult, but this is the first time I've heard the story of a trans widow. There's a lot to process, but I took notes! Benjamin, thank you for giving Tracy a chance to share her story.
@lovenature7823
@lovenature7823 Жыл бұрын
Ms. Shannon is making a courageous fight and contribution to reality-based living. Thank you Benjamin for having her on to share her story. Blessings to Ms. Shannon and her children.
@jamarr27
@jamarr27 Жыл бұрын
Damn... this is crazy. Her husband exposed her kids to this nonsense. And because he falls under the shield 🛡 that is LGBTQ he's a protected class from most if not all scrutiny. I dont know how this thing is gonna turn around but it needs to happen quick and in a hurry before too many boys and girls are effected
@davidadiwego4608
@davidadiwego4608 Жыл бұрын
The seeds were sown in the 1960s with the advent of the trio of women's lib, sexual lib and pharma-contraception.
@exquisitebiscuit
@exquisitebiscuit Жыл бұрын
LGB drop the T
@jamarr27
@jamarr27 Жыл бұрын
@s e don't you mean drop the LBG and keep the T since that's what he identifying with. Your argument is to say the others don't agree with him right???
@exquisitebiscuit
@exquisitebiscuit Жыл бұрын
@Jamarr 27 I'm saying that LGB needs to create as much distance from the TQIA etc... hence, the drop the T, in the public sphere bc a) general public associates homosexuality with transgenderism and they are two different things b) LGBs have fought too hard and long for equal rights only to have the movement undermined by transindividuals. The trans movement is parasitic and LGBs need to stand up and speak out against this nonsense. That will quicken the turn around.
@jamarr27
@jamarr27 Жыл бұрын
@@exquisitebiscuit agreed
@sueedwards9334
@sueedwards9334 Жыл бұрын
Great interview. The psychologists and psychiatrists have a lot to answer for. They are often left out of the picture but are clearly playing a central role.
@stephenkalatucka6213
@stephenkalatucka6213 Жыл бұрын
When a society rejects God, something fills that void. This is apparently our new religion. So much better than the old days, eh?
@debzest4life37
@debzest4life37 Жыл бұрын
Also the social workers.....the whole university supposed education system needs a long hard look.....
@martinheath5947
@martinheath5947 Жыл бұрын
So, so incredibly sorry for this woman and her children (They all need to walk away from this narcissistic creep). This is unforgivable and the "husband/supposed dad" is a complete and utter phoney. Sending lots of love
@MrJasnotron
@MrJasnotron Жыл бұрын
No fault divorce is a travesty. He should have been permitted to divorce her but with no money and no custody.
@MrJasnotron
@MrJasnotron Жыл бұрын
@@gretchenk.2516 agreed! He definitely caused a fault.
@ailuyb
@ailuyb Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Benjamin, for giving a platform to this perspective as well. Trans widows and trans orphans are an extremely under discussed topic in my opinion. Alongside parents of trans children and teenagers. I know it can be challenging and tricky to talk about somebody who is not present during the interview. I fell into a rabbit hole of listening to a lot of interviews with trans widows once, and it is truly sad. It is a proof that what we do with our lives and our bodies doesn't only affect us but spreads out onto other peoples lives and stays with them. Shannon Thrace has a book about her former partner who transitioned, I am not sure if you heard about it. There are a couple of interviews with trans widows and trans orphans on the TERF talk down under, women's rights network and can I get a witness voice. These are not the channels I usually watch but again: it is a rare perspective. I am for a variety of opinions available out there...
@carolynbrightfield8911
@carolynbrightfield8911 Жыл бұрын
A simple thumbs up is not enough for this comment. The ripple effect of these decisions is enormous.
@Gingerblaze
@Gingerblaze Жыл бұрын
Incredibly important perspective to hear from. It doesn't just impact partners and children but even grandchildren. Its impact literally spans over generations.
@StormBringer5
@StormBringer5 Жыл бұрын
When my partner came out as trans and I started looking for support, I realized how isolated trans partners really are. Even in our own safe spaces, there is a big taboo against mentioning autogynephilia-even though it’s literally happening to ALL of us.
@jernisharichard5032
@jernisharichard5032 Жыл бұрын
​@@StormBringer5 RIGHT, I PRAY FOR YOUR HEALING AND HAPPINESS 😊
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals Жыл бұрын
You are right. Emma Bryn, in the UK, started Children of Trans website. Ben, I find, does not respond to us, trans widows, children of, siblings of. I personally know siblings of, who suffered from the over-focus on this "special child" who was groomed by the (no sexual boundaries) shrinks.
@kathrineici9811
@kathrineici9811 Жыл бұрын
I think if I was married and my husband fell into his fetish I’d divorce and take my kids to a different state. Maybe Alaska for the sheer distance.
@NinjaKittyBonks
@NinjaKittyBonks Жыл бұрын
@Kathrine lci ... I just had a horrible thought! We know that Comifornia is a "sanctuary state". I suppose one could travel from out of state to Comifornia and, by default... "steal" custody of the primary custody parent living there, in order to undergo the evils of gender affirmation? I guarantee, Gavin Grewsom would have ZERO issue, stepping inbetween a family and get a judge to swap the legal primary custody to which ever parent wanted to subject the children to trans cult ideology. No question in my mind, Newsom WOULD absolutely support the state doing that!
@kathrineici9811
@kathrineici9811 Жыл бұрын
​@@NinjaKittyBonks I believe that’s what that Jame’s mom did, took her son to get sterilized where the dad couldn’t save him
@NinjaKittyBonks
@NinjaKittyBonks Жыл бұрын
@@kathrineici9811 …Yes, she absolutely did. What is even worse, is that she is not evenbiologically related to the child. . However, what I was thinking is even MORE sinister that that. Suppose James was living in Comifornia and had primary custody. Let’s say the X visits and then appeals to the court to “gender affirm” the child. Willing to bet that Gavin Grewsom would be all about working with the leftist court to overturn James custody and award the child state obligated to provide sanctuary and award her primary custody, so she could trans their child. . I would NEVER put such an evil act past the stare of Comifornia and Gavin Grewsom.
@barboglesby2162
@barboglesby2162 Жыл бұрын
The courts don't always allow you to move away with your children.
@kathrineici9811
@kathrineici9811 Жыл бұрын
@@barboglesby2162 They don’t but I’m a woman so I’d have a much easier time than a man trying to rescue kids if I had them
@suehoskins8559
@suehoskins8559 Жыл бұрын
Disgusting that her beliefs were questioned in court but his ideology is accepted as fact! So glad she is through this hell, thanks for being brave and speaking out. It's fine not to believe in gender ideology at all, there is no scientific evidence that anyone has a gender identity and no-one has ever achieved changing sex.
@winros
@winros Жыл бұрын
That therapist had a lot of nerve stating that she was a lesbian!! Your children have been through so much and still going through things well your husband is living his authentic life... Just pure selfishness does she realize what he has done to his whole family? I'm sure he is empathic!
@AlyseNicoleO
@AlyseNicoleO Жыл бұрын
Imagine how this rattled and tore the foundation of the lives surrounding that man. Incredibly selfish to give your life to your sexual desires.
@betsyb2256
@betsyb2256 Жыл бұрын
T Trans widows all have the same stories. The men have the same way of operating and yes are very narcissistic. What a nightmare for families
@marymitchell4617
@marymitchell4617 Жыл бұрын
She's one brave soul. I'm pissed right now, for her family & her. This is obviously wrong. We're seeing the devastation of this grift in real time. Psychology students can't even get their license to practice unless they pass mandatory woke training programs & submit to the cult. All of our institutions have been captured by this dangerous & cultish ideology. Its just another example of what I believe to be a spiritual battle. We need to pick a side & arm ourselves in body, mind & spirit. I have faith that truth will prevail
@jernisharichard5032
@jernisharichard5032 Жыл бұрын
A very spiritual battle; in dealing with a narc + trans. WE NEED JESUS CHRIST FOR OUR SPIRITUAL WALK. EVIL SPIRIT'S ARE REAL ; THE POSSESSION OF THESE PEOPLE, LORD I PRAY AGAINST EVERY SPIRITUAL EVIL IN THE VICTIMS LIVE'S. AMEN 🙏🏽
@marymitchell4617
@marymitchell4617 Жыл бұрын
@@jernisharichard5032 Yes, AMEN to that.. If evil is real, and it's obvious that it's in full swing right now, then I don't understand why people have such a hard time believing in it's opposite, an eternal & loving creator, Almighty God, the only path to a peace which passes all understanding, infinite & unfathomable love and the only hope for humanity.
@docteurmiracle5899
@docteurmiracle5899 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine what she and her family have gone through. As a gay man, I am shocked that I'm put under the same umbrella with this madness.
@miroirs-jumeaux
@miroirs-jumeaux Жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@debbielondon1809
@debbielondon1809 Жыл бұрын
This is crazy stuff! Benjamin's face says it all - usually pretty cool he looks like his head is about to explode! Tracy deserves a medal.
@keydoh4870
@keydoh4870 Жыл бұрын
My brother transitioned ten years ago. I can only describe the period after as a period of mourning over my lost brother. Must be terrible if it's your partner.
@jasonclarke7557
@jasonclarke7557 Жыл бұрын
sad that you think someone taking control of something in their life as though they died. hey, at least the good news is that your new sister is free of you!
@soulfuzz368
@soulfuzz368 Жыл бұрын
Did you get a sister? Honest question.
@soulfuzz368
@soulfuzz368 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonclarke7557I initially thought something similar but it’s also true that trans people say that not being affirmed is denying their existence. Seems like the rhetoric is at least consistent and your snark is misplaced.
@jasonclarke7557
@jasonclarke7557 Жыл бұрын
@@soulfuzz368 so, in your estimation, the way he's acting is consistent with reality, since treating her like she's dead is fine, cause he's denying her existence? cept when you treat someone you used to care for like they don't exist, they aren't technically dead, you're just being an ass. mourning them just does a disservice to who that person is, and makes them realize that your concern for them is 100% about them being who you want them to be. which is not love. sorry, no, my snark remains firmly in place. this guy sucks.
@annal2740
@annal2740 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonclarke7557 No one can change sex, Jason.
@nicolepreou6754
@nicolepreou6754 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Narcissitic psychopathic behavior is hugely traumatic for children in any family, add in a trans fettish and its 100 times worse. The trauma has very long lasting effects.
@rosemaryalles6043
@rosemaryalles6043 Жыл бұрын
Thank you to this woman for speaking out. Bless her. 💚 As for me, I'm f-ing enraged hearing all this.
@eoiny
@eoiny Жыл бұрын
I would love to hear the perspectives of more trans widows! Great guest! Re the bleeding edge therapist in ‘98, many men sought out therapists known to be supportive so I’m not that surprised to hear it, but she was definitely a sign of things to come.
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals
@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals Жыл бұрын
I'm available, and have Ute Heggen youtube channel, Boyce knows!
@mrcoules
@mrcoules Жыл бұрын
This interview is incredible. It sounds like a story you'd expect to hear in the current modern period but to know this all occurred over 20 years ago, I think Ben's expression throughout the video spoke volumes.
@nothinwatever
@nothinwatever Жыл бұрын
Exactly. This is a narcissistic fetish problem. Most of these people are not trans. And where do men get fetishes from? porn addictions. porn is a serious problem for our society. And not just the fact that it exists, but how easily it can be obtained, and how easy it is for you to get your fix, and become addicted to it. There’s some really sick shit out there and some really disturbing forums. And people aren’t hearing about that for main stream media. They have absolutely no clue what’s actually going on..
@katrina2931
@katrina2931 Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear from the children (grown ones) of trans. I’m sure their experiences are equally difficult.
@-Stella-Maris-
@-Stella-Maris- Жыл бұрын
@katrina2931 some children-of are publishing at "Children of Transitioners."
@magsteel9891
@magsteel9891 Жыл бұрын
"Virtuous perverts" cracked me up
@RubyJeans943
@RubyJeans943 Жыл бұрын
I'm disgusted that therapists have ruined lives.
@lilnymphtress
@lilnymphtress Жыл бұрын
The husband ruined their lives. The therapist got caught in the middle.
@sameash3153
@sameash3153 Жыл бұрын
@@lilnymphtress No, it is right to label the therapists culpable. The people that go to them are vulnerable people expecting guidance. They have a duty not to ruin their patient's lives. The husband is the one caught in the middle here, caught in the middle of systematic gender ideology. He still is culpable for the damage of his family, but, all of this could have been avoided.
@RachelRichards
@RachelRichards Жыл бұрын
Tracy, you are so courageous for sharing your life with us all. It's important to hear your story, and hear how transitioning can affect an entire family structure. I'm sorry for what you and your children have had to endure. Thank you for sharing, and thank you for your empathy, Benjamin.
@carolwolf9614
@carolwolf9614 Жыл бұрын
Halfway through listening to this. I can't believe what I'm hearing. Utterly horrifying. This poor woman and her poor children. What a heart breaking story. I don't think i could have stayed sane had this happened to me. Tracy, you're an amazing woman and mother.
@Florida_Woman
@Florida_Woman Жыл бұрын
Thank you both for such a revealing interview. This isn’t an aspect that I have thought about to any great degree. This is a very important conversation.
@martinheath5947
@martinheath5947 Жыл бұрын
This lady could do herself and her children a massive favour by not calling him she/her. Honesty *is* sanity!
@thesmirkinggrape
@thesmirkinggrape Жыл бұрын
she probably has to because of a court order.
@AndyJarman
@AndyJarman Жыл бұрын
I noticed she didn't do that with anyone except her husband - obviously gagged by the authorities.
@sarahm9723
@sarahm9723 Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%!!! She is very honest. She should complete the picture of honesty by refusing to call her ex-husband a female, which he is not.
@vaska1999
@vaska1999 Жыл бұрын
She did occasionally refer to him as a he. The children are adults now, so she shouldn't need to worry about any legal ramifications of referring to her ex-husband as a he. It could be that after some years of having to maintain the court-mandated pretense that he actually became a she, she still switches between the two pronouns without even noticing it.
@lovenature7823
@lovenature7823 Жыл бұрын
Benjamin, as you have frequent detransitioners, do increase the frequency of having trans widows on your channel. We must hear their stories. I appreciate your channel, and your ability to be an active listener.
@karolinecox4345
@karolinecox4345 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being so amazing and strong!!!! Very kind intelligent woman her children are so lucky to have her.
@helenablavatsky9136
@helenablavatsky9136 Жыл бұрын
Wish she could have talked longer, but thanks Benjamin.
@NinjaKittyBonks
@NinjaKittyBonks Жыл бұрын
🐈‍⬛🤔
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce Жыл бұрын
I'll upload the full interview on anchor.fm/calmversations - the first half was about politics and would have likely turned away non-conservatives from listening to her personal experience.
@helenablavatsky9136
@helenablavatsky9136 Жыл бұрын
@@BenjaminABoyce Oh great, I'll be happy to listen.
@sjm9876
@sjm9876 5 ай бұрын
@@BenjaminABoyce I wasn’t able to find the full interview on your show on Apple Podcasts. Just the 36 minute version as posted here
@BenjaminABoyce
@BenjaminABoyce 5 ай бұрын
I’ll look into that, sjm
@niek82
@niek82 Жыл бұрын
Those poor kids. The slippery slope seems real.
@SWGinSWVA
@SWGinSWVA Жыл бұрын
Tracy Shannon is an amazing human being & mom! The hard left can care less about the collateral damage to families & children~ & now we see, trans-widows!
@beachlife4346
@beachlife4346 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Tracy for sharing your story. I know how hard this is. As a women who was married to a man who was living a double life as an AGP. Dealing with it when there was no information or support to know how to handle what I was dealing with. I looked and tried. There is still very little information outside the narrative being pushed. We've been forced into silence by our spouses and now trying to be silenced by law and their advocates. Hoohay for using your voice and thank you Ben Boyce for giving her the ability to share it ❤❤❤ Blessings to you both. It is inspiring me and sure others to speak out more publicly what it is like in the reality of it behind the scenes.
@flowerjpotter1629
@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын
Gosh, the harm this does. It's a hostile take over. What a shame for this lady and her children.
@corrinadeluxe4141
@corrinadeluxe4141 Жыл бұрын
Omg he wanted custody of the kids to use them as props ! This whole story is a living nightmare . Why are people openly championing the abuse of women & children? Narcissistic sex perverts are running the show & I can’t for the life of me understand how this hellscape is real life. I just said a prayer to St Ann for this lady & her family.
@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci
@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a totally bald middle aged man in a dress and a feather boa panhandling on a street in Vancouver; he had a sign saying “I’m a mother.” 😖
@corrinadeluxe4141
@corrinadeluxe4141 Жыл бұрын
@@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci 😵 it’s a joke & they know it . They’re laughing their dicks off every time they violate women & our rights.
@fionaforward3358
@fionaforward3358 Жыл бұрын
This whole trans thing is out of control.These sick individuals should be locked up so they cannot hurt everyone around them.Imagine too,what parents are going through when their sons declare they are trans.I thought homosexuality was bad enough.This poor woman.
@Bonzi_Buddy
@Bonzi_Buddy Жыл бұрын
A therapist would never tell a dangerously skinny person they are fat and proscribe them diet pills and recommend other weight loss options if that person had a mental illness where they thought they were fat.
@Saints0611
@Saints0611 Жыл бұрын
The degree of delusion and outright mental illness of this ex-husband is incredible. If he was to the point of claiming to “give birth” to his children is the greatest example of any testimony I have heard thus far that reveals the “fruit” of this deception. My prayers are with this family and families like hers. May the Lord continue to bring healing and grace to your ministry born out of your suffering and pain. We serve a God of redemption. This includes your former husband and all those enslaved spiritually and every other way by this ideology.
@karolinecox4345
@karolinecox4345 Жыл бұрын
That Thing SHe once called husband is a horrid abomination and cruel
@jernisharichard5032
@jernisharichard5032 Жыл бұрын
I FEEL HER ON THE NARCISSIST ON WANTING THE FEED BACK. 😢 TRANS PLUS NARC. SHE HAS A LOT 💆🏾🧠. I PRAY 🙏🏽 FOR HER PEACE 🕊️
@novajava
@novajava Жыл бұрын
No one transitions alone. They drag a whole family and others along with them, willing or unwillingly everyone around the transitioned is effected and “transitioned “ too.
@NinjaKittyBonks
@NinjaKittyBonks Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT, Mr. Benjamin. I have really been hoping to see this perspective on the _other_ victims of transition. Will have my 🍵and tissue at the ready. Thank you, Ms. Tracy for sharing your story 🐈‍⬛head bonk
@Zentz29
@Zentz29 Жыл бұрын
WTF?! Your name says NinjaKitty again ... 🤔
@Zentz29
@Zentz29 Жыл бұрын
And my name says Zentz w/o the 29 again ... 🤔
@NinjaKittyBonks
@NinjaKittyBonks Жыл бұрын
@@Zentz29 ... Wait... I remember you calling me Jazzer The Cat a while ago, but figured you just read my name in the URL atop the screen. Are you saying that the "NinjaKitty" below the video, said "JazzerTheCatSucks" instead? EDIT: OH.... Benjamin Boyce premier 12:00PM PST today... 1 hour from now EDIT 2... LOL.. I am such a dumb kitty. I wrote this from notifications, but thought it was a comment on one of MY videos... 🤣
@Zentz29
@Zentz29 Жыл бұрын
@@NinjaKittyBonks Lolz 😆 Yeah all names on YT reverted back to whatever the original name on the account was, but only in comments under vids and community posts. Still "NinjaKitty" and "Zentz" in live streams, but yeah, in the comments your name said "Jazzerthecatsucks" and mine said "Zentz29" ... YT also recently quit Shadow banning it looks like. I was banned from posting comments for 24hrs cuz I was a big meany pants in a comment and it told me how many hrs before I can comment again when I tried to post one.
@Zentz29
@Zentz29 Жыл бұрын
@@NinjaKittyBonks Every comment I tried to post said "You can comment again in 'x' amount of hours" while I was banned. I also got a message while I was just sitting here watching a vid saying I was banned for 24hrs, so they even let me know before I tried posting a comment that I was cut off for a day
@TheNightWatcher1385
@TheNightWatcher1385 Жыл бұрын
I’ll never forget the Reddit thread I found once where a transwoman admitted that all feelings he had of wanting to be a woman vanished the day he got his sex change operation and that he was scared that his whole identity was actually a misattributed kink. My heart broke for the guy.
@megsley
@megsley Жыл бұрын
so many of these husbands who transition seem to want to completely replace their wife...so creepy 😬
@katekestrel656
@katekestrel656 9 ай бұрын
Too many of us women and children have suffered incredibly from these partners. I can finally speak!
@jeremylister89
@jeremylister89 Жыл бұрын
Horrible. Life changing deception. What a monstrous creep. The lady is a wonder. Sending a hug from the UK.
@karolinecox4345
@karolinecox4345 Жыл бұрын
Super creepy His children will never respect him it whatever
@123YMR
@123YMR Жыл бұрын
Her ex-husband forced her and their children to identify him as a woman because he’s a narcissist, to control them, get one over on them, and because he got off on it. All narcissistic men demonstrate similar patterns of behaviour, like it’s out of a textbook.
@Apriluser
@Apriluser Жыл бұрын
I have often thought that whatever happens behind closed doors eventually spills out into society.
@juniper3238
@juniper3238 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe he's been pretending to have birthed your children. There is something so primal and wrong with that. It fills me with rage! I can't imagine what that must feel like for you. 😩
@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci
@KathyPrendergast-cu5ci Жыл бұрын
There seems to be a deep sickness in our culture, with men claiming to be “mothers” of children they fathered and demanding to be acknowledged as such, and women pretending to be men, to the point of cutting off their breasts, having babies and calling themselves their “fathers.” And the media, government, the medical profession, and academia all telling us that this is normal and fine and if we look askance at it we’re haters and bigots.
@xhaltsalute
@xhaltsalute Жыл бұрын
This needs to be addressed more often. This is the tragedy of this issue.
@joer9156
@joer9156 Жыл бұрын
Wow, what a story. I really feel for her. And the kids. We really are setting our society up for a lot of problems. On another note, "these are the virtuous perverts, you cannot question their motives" would make a great hook for a song.
@davidadiwego4608
@davidadiwego4608 Жыл бұрын
Cross-dressing/transvestism/AGP mysteriously and totally disappeared suddenly around 2010, as if never existed. 🤔
@SweetStrawberryShell
@SweetStrawberryShell Жыл бұрын
Her story is so heart wrenching, and blows your mind when you hear some of the details. She is absolutely right when she says if you don’t fall in line, you will be outcast. My brother hasn’t spoken to me in years despite the times I’ve reached out to him, all because of gender ideology. He’s hasn’t come out as trans himself (yet!), but he has completely disowned me for pushing back. I also suspect he is a narcissist, I felt like I was on thin ice my whole life, and one wrong word/ act, and he would kick me to the curb, like he had done to so many others, including our mum. I was right. As so as I showed the slightest sign that I was growing a backbone, that was it. 💔
@triggered577
@triggered577 Жыл бұрын
“These are the virtuous perverts”.
@mikedowning4869
@mikedowning4869 Жыл бұрын
Just when you think it cant get any worse, it keeps going down. I'm a gay man and find this as shocking as anybody else would. Truly, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
@stephzinsmeister662
@stephzinsmeister662 Жыл бұрын
Very very good content and now you are definitely hitting the nail on the head. With speaking with the people most affected.
@delightfuldissident859
@delightfuldissident859 Жыл бұрын
I'm a therapist and I'm terribly embarrassed by the behavior of some therapists. Telling this woman she must be a lesbian because her husband was a cross dresser... ugh!
@sarahm9723
@sarahm9723 Жыл бұрын
It's good to hear from a therapist who is rational and has a conscience. Thank you. Most therapists are leftists, and I think it goes with the territory. Not all, thank God. I have a therapist who is very honest, truthful, has a conscience, and absolutely rejects this push to allow sexual fetishes to be public and shoved down children's throat.
@beachlife4346
@beachlife4346 Жыл бұрын
It's hard to find a good therapist to support us. I am glad you are here listening to her story.
@sarahm9723
@sarahm9723 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I think too many therapists are themselves deviants (I say that for lack of a better word), so they assume everyone else is as well. It's hard to find a well-balanced therapist, and it took me a very long time. I was going through a very painful bereavement and had to "shop" for a sensible, rational therapist, something difficult to find. I finally found an awesome therapist.
@donnaharding7702
@donnaharding7702 Жыл бұрын
The atmosphere of how the world just accepts the lie or your the evil one. My husband lied a double like I didn’t find out until 30 years of marriage . He was very controlling in our marriage. We had 4 children , I miscarried 4 too. My son was the one who found out and confronted him and told him he must be truthful. He refused until my son said he would tell me, so he finally came out. So this was the most traumatic
@marlenestewart7442
@marlenestewart7442 Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry.
@karolinecox4345
@karolinecox4345 Жыл бұрын
Truly disheartening for you and your children. Horror these people create
@beachlife4346
@beachlife4346 Жыл бұрын
I am so sorry you have had to live through this trauma. I feel your pain. I was married for 18, together 20 years to an AGP living a double life. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
@beachlife4346
@beachlife4346 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@karolinecox4345yes, it is horror. It has a very long healing curve.
@Hope20249
@Hope20249 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation. Thank you both and God bless.
@mottgirl13
@mottgirl13 Жыл бұрын
I wept at this. A friend who was a total boy, he loved girls, fell in love with one of my girlfriends, loved soccer… butch like hell, is now a “woman”. He was a married man of 2. Trans widow’s story, truly is heartbreaking because I wonder how his family is doing
@sisiphas
@sisiphas Жыл бұрын
It is astounding how people and professionals can ignore the abuse and neglect and worse almost inherent in the ‘t’ cult. Even at their best paraphiliacs are dangerous to children.
@FloridaDumpling
@FloridaDumpling Жыл бұрын
This lady is very good looking, I imagine her ex husband is green with envy that he most likely doesn’t look half as beautiful as her!
@shrodingerscat4191
@shrodingerscat4191 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, lovely Benjamin for giving this beautiful woman a platform to speak! Fabulous!
@mariettasmart8104
@mariettasmart8104 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for airing this. This is the reality and truth. You are so brave to be helping the wives and families. Narcissism has no empathy. Too many choose to have children with no thought of the consequences to them. Counselors are more concerned about being politically correct. Bless you "Trans widow".
@una-janewinfield1667
@una-janewinfield1667 Жыл бұрын
I am so, so glad that I managed to keep my Trans then-H, the father of my two children, away from them. I insisted that there must be an independent witness present, in order to stop him lying and manipulating them. We found such a person, but somehow we never found a time and a place for a meeting to take place... and after a few years he stopped asking to see them. He was always self-pitying and demanding. He had no idea what his children were thinking or doing, even though he received copies of their school reports. None of the information about his children "entered his mind". He was a supreme narcissist. Selfish, blind to the concerns of everyone except himself.. and not even looking properly into his own motivations. He was surly and very, very lazy.
@battygirlrachel
@battygirlrachel Жыл бұрын
This may have been short, but wow it's powerful. Would never have thought this stuff would have happened in the 90s. Sad thing is, if she spoke up too much at the time, she would have been seen as crazy or the situation as a one off. Little did we know... definitely lots to think about with this. I really appreciate preciate this convo
@dustychimes148
@dustychimes148 Жыл бұрын
This is a true American horror story. I’m so sorry for your family
@MotherPugger1
@MotherPugger1 10 ай бұрын
Wow I have high respect for this interviewer. He truly cared about this woman on a human and not just the story to get views
@marywolters3612
@marywolters3612 Жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to this woman.
@wubuck79
@wubuck79 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. One of the most infuriating social phenomena we witness is how men are celebrated for destroying their families when they do so to be trans or come out as gay.
@kerrinorman2073
@kerrinorman2073 Жыл бұрын
Excellent episode. Thank you so much for talking about this. I used to be trans affirming but no longer, except in rare cases like Blaire White etc. GI has a lot to be ashamed of. I hope more ppl wake up. The downstream effects and rampant misogyny/homophobia in the movement are deeply harmful.
@martinheath5947
@martinheath5947 Жыл бұрын
Blaire only gets away with it because he didn't overly mutilate himself and as a young man he's genetically 'blessed' enough to pass for the time being...
@Gingerblaze
@Gingerblaze Жыл бұрын
@@martinheath5947 Blaire does not "pass" and even for those trans identified ppl who do, all that says is that they are successful at deception. Not a great goal unless your a professional actor.
@eurekahope5310
@eurekahope5310 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing Blaire is acceptable because he knows he is male and does not destroy people for recognizing sex. How he presents himself is one thing, being the typical censoring, tantrum throwing activist who demands we live their lies is another.
@barboglesby2162
@barboglesby2162 Жыл бұрын
Even Blair, as you notice is an over sexulized caricature of a woman. Blair does a good job of exposing Autogynephilia, but doesn't really admit to how much she suffers from it herself. Blair will admit she is really a he though.
@omarb7164
@omarb7164 Жыл бұрын
@@barboglesby2162 if Blaire himself will admits he’s male, why are you referring to him as a she? Don’t we all agree that blaire is a dude, with a carved out hole where his dick used to be?
@kaymoto4023
@kaymoto4023 Ай бұрын
Mass Resistance! What a great name for this organization. 🙏🏻 for its continued success!
@paigemccormick6519
@paigemccormick6519 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have known where this discussion belonged. Now I do--with Benjamin.
@LilyGazou
@LilyGazou Жыл бұрын
That was intense. Good job on the interview.
@petiadavis5122
@petiadavis5122 Жыл бұрын
"You can't question the virtuas perverts" that's sums it all really
@aerondanann8683
@aerondanann8683 Жыл бұрын
Tracy I am so sorry this happened to you. I support your efforts regarding your children. Your X involving your children, reveals a self-centered (narcissistic) personality without conscience in my opinion. He should have left, disappeared, dissociated from any related affiliation with his family. It seems the only reasonably honorable action to take in order to not shame his family. The only way a person, as I see it, should get away with his actions is if his wife, children, and other family members supported it. Your story is heartbreaking.
@merjamikkonen4991
@merjamikkonen4991 Жыл бұрын
“Virtuous pervers” that is really well put ❤ 😢! Poor children and poor woman!!
@QueenBee-kx3sg
@QueenBee-kx3sg Жыл бұрын
I am a product of a two parent household. I can’t imagine growing up with only one of them. I’d have been very different, that is for sure.
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