I think Zy0x needs an Adderall

Holy shit this comment is gold

nono this is zyox on ambien and zajef at his normal slow self

He glazed venti for a while after kazuha came out to counter the kazuha simps, good old times.

@@musicaddict9058”just to counter kazuha simp” whats up w zaj viewers and twisting themselves into a pretzel to defend a contrarian take

@@isgonnabeagreatyear I'm not really defending anyone here, i found both sides to be annoying at the time, i just found kazuha simps to be more annoying cuz they were everywhere, and kazuha was genuinely not that much better than sucrose at the time.

​@@musicaddict9058Kazuha arent bad but the kazuha havers were bad *bad* They defend him like its their last day on earth, gatekeeps him when kazuha gets a rerun, saying stuff like "only og kazuha havers deserve him" like bro shut tf up I had rlly bad impressions since then

Why glaze 5 stars when Xiangling and Xingqiu still exist?

Shut up

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​@@seven_8434you do?

Yep I pulled him for keqing as well and honestly may use him more than Nahida now especially with Furina. One of favorite Furina teams so far has been a yelan/Baizhu core with any pyro DPS. It’s significantly stronger than I expected

I pulled him for my keqing aswell. What artifact set are you using on him

@DAV1999 I think I have 2pc/2pc hp% and energy recharge, so emblem and im blanking but whatever the hp 2pc is. It's probably suboptimal but he bursts often and has 50k hp so it works out

I pulled him for Keqing too, but I don't have her and I'm using him with my Furina Yelan Hu Tao burgeon team.

@@spartantraveler7251 hell ya really fun team and one I didn’t expect to be as good as it is. I’ve mostly been using Yoimiya (finally a reason to use her burst!!) and Diluc. I don’t have Hu Tao but I’ve imagined she’s probably the best unit for the pyro slot but really anyone is viable b/c the core of Yelan/Furina is so strong. I was able to 9* floor 12 with Diluc for first time in forever with relative ease as well

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Thing is I often have to kick out Kazuha to be replaced with Jean in order to make space for Furina, at which point I'm like.... Naah, i like that crowd control way more than a bit more bonus dmg.

​@@SauravKumar-ki4bnway higher personal damage too , so its hydro application, personal damage , better buff vs Vv shred , cc , great buff too

@@SauravKumar-ki4bn Eh, maybe it's cuz my account is very invested, but i find CC to be overrated these days. Like, yeah, when it works it's nice, but like it isn't very relevant in majority of the abyss floors, and even when it's relevant, it's against mobs that you will delete very fast without CC anyway. It's only really very important in something like ayaka teams.

This is what I don't like about Zajef sometimes he's like "She's great in a lot of teams but not others" it's like yes bro not a single support works in every single team comp how is that a downside

@@musicaddict9058facts CC is overrated rn, same with ER% If you can just do enough damage to kill things it doesn’t matter

How???

Do you mean prototype amber? What’s the point of Maidens?

Oh it's still entirely cope, you're not going to be healing nearly enough, but hey you can try it ig

@@annedray2506 I assume to boost the healing from P. Amber

​@@annedray2506Maidens increases healing of Prototype amber and the 4pc of Maidens increases the healing recieved from Prototype Amber. Prototype Amber is affected by healing bonuses so Maidens actually works it can even help with Bennett's healing. He hardly reaches an overhealing amount but with Maidens, incoming and outgoing healing is increased.

nah its facts. hes that op

@@ryan6111 nah,he really isnt.

@@deltaspecies1697 then you either dont have him at c6 or havent built/used him properly :))

@@ryan6111 literally had him c6 since like patch 1.2 lol and i playeddiluc and then hutao for 2 years and when dendro came out alhaitham and hyperbloom. Ive also used in on nilou bloom. So its very fair to say that ive used him lot. As for the matter at hand,furina replaces xq in almost every single double hydro team. As for solo hydro teams furina/yelan/xq are vetter than each other depending on the team. For examole something like alhaitham quickbloom or cyno quickbloom, yelan and furina are better. For something like thundering furry,xq is better. But furina also gives u a incentive to use her outside of teams that needs hydro so for example like scara teams and xiao teams and in both cases her and yelan are better than xq. So no, xq isnt op.

@@deltaspecies1697how do you measure being “better”. Xq has the benefit of knockback resistance and a small heal. The damage gain with furina would be by needing a full team healer which means you can’t even use hyperbloom since using furina with kuki is cope as hell. I have both xq and yelan (building furina right now) and even then I still use xq in teams that need a little bit more survivability like Nilou bloom with Yao Yao

I use the same but Raiden in place of yae

He's ONE of the fastest healers to stack Fanfare, but since the limit to how much he can heal depends on Furina's drain, any healer who can keep up with it (and there are many) is able to compete with Baizhu for that spot. What he's unique at is actually providing a shield, something no other party-wide healer in the entire game can do; Though, as of now, this has no offensive applications other than giving an Itto + Gorou + Furina team (like the one talked about in this video) the shield they need for fully using GEO Resonance (which is indeed offensive in nature), so it's niche at best. Maybe he works for Noelle or Ningguang too, IDK. I also find unlikely that there ever will be an artifact set that gives bonus to all of your party's characters based upon the fact that the character equipping it has a shield, but a set that gives bonus based on heals is rumored to arrive in 4.3; While it's true that Baizhu will greatly benefit from it, so will all other non-Anemo healers (because 4PC VV is still much better than this set appears to be). Aside from that, Baizhu also works well in Nilou teams, since he's the healer such teams often needs AND he provides the Bloom reactions with a bit more of damage. In short, he's like a more comfortable Mika / Charlotte (except for Eula and Ayaka, since their teams have no slots for Dendro) that doubles as one of the perfect Nilou team mates (the other being Nahida, of course); Extra for being the best unit for using with Ittou + Furina + Gorou (though Geo teams are expensive for somewhat mid damage).

You don't need furina in the overworld though.

Wait, you cleared all Abyss levels?

That’s just Neuvillette doing Neuvillette thing though

Neuv team is prolly her best team and yea thats just neuv being an absolute unit

Lol, my guy said furina carried in a neuvillette team....

Neuvilette could probably clear alone

I've been testing that team a lot as well, and I think that Xingqiu is more comfortable not only cause of the damage reduction but the rain swords healing. Yes, this is such a Zajef take but it's true

@@nou.1007 that works when i really am just that desperate or when actual endgame hard content, but as of now i can just brute skill my way out of anything, its a once a 2 week thing i do anyway. Generally xingqiu almost a staple for player on comps like these.

I don’t like this team for multiple reason. 1) Furina is a wasted in this team. because you’re not getting a lot of fanfare stack. Prototype Amber doesn’t have the ability to frontloaded healing. 2) Any Hu Tao team with high investment can one rotate the chamber. so I don’t see the point of this team (but it is creative, interesting and fun nonetheless) 3) while high investment plays big part in this team, skill-level and enemies type also play a big part. I don’t see average player survive against super agressive enemy after 3 N2C. especially when Hu Tao is always on life support even by herself, with Furina and no RES interruption from Xingqiu, it’s gonna be rough. 4. Just play VV Vape Hu Tao instead. RES shed is more value able than an absurd amount of DMG% that will hit diminishing return. It is also less stressful to play. 18s rotation is really nice but personally, I don’t think it’s worth it.

@@nanathedelta8561 Well its something new, its not optimal and I know that, I did my thoma vv vape with yelan and double hydro xiangling are faster. But after the AQ im not going into abyss without my furina and hutao.

Apparently you can tell by the crowd, the amount of bubbles on the sides of the screen, and the kinda hard to see wave that covers the screen once you reach max stacks.

When her burst has full fanfare stacks you can see a fine white border/lines around your border where the bubbles are.

Sound great =0

hmmmmmmmmmmm....idk if with nilou blooms always going off if kaveh will ever actually overheal consistently, but also...you know that that passive isnt nearlyyyyyyyyyyyyyy enough to fulfill furinas drain right? Like...not even close, its supposed to help and it does but its not a crutch. U will need to replace nahida for yaoyao but then thats a nilou team without nahida which is....less than desirable. But yeah....other than that, you then have to give up on either kaveh or furina, which then makes the idea moot. But do ahead and try, it might be a good one rotation team.

I'm a Kaveh main but don't have Nilou to go ham on Bloom but I don't think Furina is any better on that team since she doesn't buff tranformative reaction like bloom and Kaveh's damage with EM build is meh and maybe Nahida's E dmg sure ig. I like the idea but with Furina's drain and (potential) bloom damage on your other teammate when you swap, Kaveh and Furina's healing will not be that practical and enough to sustain the team (ig Nahida with Proto Amber might help but I'm not sure).

Building characters takes sooo long.. it can be a massive momentum killer when you pull a great character

The lazy players part you mentioned is kinda subjective coz building characters may take so long given the amount of resources you have and you need and the horrible artifacts farming. Though yes some players with Furina and only have very few characters build might not get her benefits and how good she can be.

I mean, sure it’s hyperbloom. Considering Furina’s slower application, a dendro or electro character to capitalize on the quicken would be more ideal there.

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Zajef is the glaze to Zy0nix's donut.

@@rocrod430 they are just roomates

​@@rocrod430Do you usually glaze your friend's donut?

Kazuha wont buff what he cant swirl. Nahida is not good in multiwave content. You need to swap back to her.. So no one is broken.... Btw i have both of them C2.

@@yahikonightray5398OP said “little to no caveats” almost all of the combat revolves around swirlable elements so I think that counts as a little one. For Nahida, unless you’re so strong that you take less than a rotation to kill a wave of F12 enemies (probably 1% of players) you should have no issues

​@@austintsai7869 the same logic would apply for furina as well, so long as you can one rotate, being hp drained wouldn't matter since the content doesn't give much worry to you

@@austintsai7869 "counts as a little one" purely subjective remark "unless you’re so strong" most players arent that... For Nahida unless you want to react with GEO and cryo youre not even broken yet..

@@yahikonightray5398 youre cherry picking here. Kazuha buffs tied to swirl doesnt matter, vv is tied to swirl and its still is a must artifact for an anemo unit unless youre xiao. Multiwave content is also bullshit, nahida has 5-6s E cooldown, and youre not killing any shit in 5-6s unless youre mega whale.

Nilou without nahida is like a hu tao team without vapes. It can work but is just too much worse

No? Play it you still get time positive clears rather easily.@@cleod7439

@@wilburforce8046U can use Baizhu as on field, but his range is non existent, even though he has a shield, but that’s also almost non existent, and your dendro converse is much worse than Nahida, this can work well against single target, but who the fk uses Nilou bloom against single target anyway Try this on the weekly raiden boss and u will know how bad it feels to play this team

@@episode4882 dog I play this team every abyss. It’s good in both AOE and ST. His range is a non issue go hit them and stop being a coward. The sheild is fine combined with the healing you rarely stagger and never die. You make enough cores even with his application what can I say. every Nilou team has to deal with single target eventually. This is one way to do it without using Hida. I don’t need to fight a pathetically, easy weekly boss. I did this shit against abyss Weknut and Copelia. You must think I’m one of those people who just throws out an idea and doesn’t actually play it. Kinda like you who clearly does not TC Nilou. Gimme ur discord and I can send you a clip of me doing it.

Zaj has said that she’s pretty good. Watch his first impressions video before blatantly misrepresenting his opinions.

@@tonydai782 he literally said "i dont think she's that good" in the first 20 seconds of the video?

@@Shuraig7 In comparison to how Zy0x was reacting. Context matters. Out of context quotes are not the way to do this. Remember that Zajef Daily is not an official Zajef channel.

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Xiangling without bennet have huge energy problems and sh don't have the massive atk buff, its too worse than use bennet, xiangling, childe, anemo instead

Yea, the moment i learned about Furina's kit i realized Ganyu would finally have an offensive hydro support that synergizes well with her. It baffles me when everyone only talk about Ayaka or Rizzly when they already work well with XQ (i know Furina could still be an upgrade for them, but for Ganyu she's a game changer) Oh and Furina makes MH set viable for Ganyu. Now you can make Morgana comp good even against unfreezable enemies

It's because the characters who Furina actually buffs them by a noticeable difference e.g Klee, Cyno, Eula, Ganyu, Noelle are still going to be considered 'mid' in genshin community. She doesn't benefit well established teams and mostly acts like a sidegrade, people wanted their Hu Tao, Ayaka to be buffed by 50% dps increase but that isn't happening so people are disappointed.

Well ayaka is just superior to ganyu right now when it comes to front load damage. Also helps that ayaka is not bound to a bow ca style

-1 zy0x

The trap is c2 is such a huge buff that you will bound to wish to pull for that too by the time you get c1 Same thing with raiden and nahida

The immediate damage increase and higher cap is worth it, and even a good stopping point. C1-C2 are busted, she probably has the best constellations for vertical scaling in the game at least until C3.

One believes that One does not heal, but rather buffs damage and crowd controls.

I heard she's not a healer at all

You might have heard only the latest. The earlier ones saying she'll be a healer+buffer isn't debunked yet.

THAT WILL BE AMAZING and more so because it will finally give a use to albedo passive that provides em but since geo makes no reactions that passive was almost never use

Yeah it will also give shield

Then you have to build em on a unit with a useless reaction

@@seven_8434 Correction, then you’d have a reason to build decently strong crystallize shields without sacrificing the unit’s support utility.

Sadge Navia does not offer anything new to Geo....she is just competing with the other Geo Claymores.

She give more damage bonus than a very well invested kazuha without needing to swirl a certain element

@@captjp140 so? Kazuha has VV don't forget, Kazuha doesn't have team restrictions and helps skill issue players, she's strong but not broken in any ways

@@eruzblue7332 can use jean for the VV and furinas damage is leagues above kazuha 🤷‍♂️ I use them both in mono hydro tho

@@eruzblue7332 needing CC is not skill issue. I would like to see normal teams without whale investment try and clear floors with 10 to 20 enemies who dont teleport to them like the wolves. People like kazuha and venti are underappreciated because they are taken for granted but when that lack of cc is felt, it is....FELT.

@@captjp140 and she requires a healer that could be swapped with another unit with more utility like how most of the time the core furina jean could be replaced by yelan/xingqiu kazuha with similar results

Agree.. But I take any broken characters, maybe in the future there are some furina team who I enjoy

I genuinely hate her play style tbh I don't like my characters being at 50% hp

​@@rax6667That's fair, but kinda skill issue low key. The trade off of Furina is the increased fragility of your characters, teams with XQ especially are 100% more comfy, and deliberately so.

If you don't have built AoE healers Furina value plummets for your account

@@fogheta true, i view furina as high risk high reward....certainly not a playstyle that everyone love...i can already 36 stars abyss..so rn i will pull characters that will bring different playstyle, gameplay and team comp to make the game less boring...

Basically any double hydro teams with a healer, zajeff just glazes xingqiu so much

@@captjp140 orrrrr ur just too boned up to get rid of him for some reason.

​@lostblueboy or maybe hydro application is overrated? If you have double hydro you won't have issues with application.

Feel you, as a fellow kokomi enjoyer my kokomi is a frking nuke, and I was of the opinion that kokomi was mid even with dendro (but played her always just because she is cute) but after furina… man, what a great time to be a kokomi main

​​@@AnaCristina-dv6quumm how to make kokomi heals always uptime for all team member? I'm affraid to invest into kokomi but make the wrong build. Is it maiden better than hud-clamp? Also is she suffer energy problem? Which weapon better to use if i wanna kokomi as driver in furina

@@AnaCristina-dv6quwhats your build for kokomi?

@@peroastinktidakhandal Since Furina banner weapon is (sorry for the words XDD) dogshit, and her constellations so good I didn’t pull for the weapon, however, having furina with favonius is super super great, not are you only giving furina er, kokomi is also getting er, and with that and prototype ambar makes that my kokomi doesn’t have many problems doing her ult, I use clamp set in kokomi, better than maiden in my opinion if you want your kokomi to do damage. For kokomi to heal the entire party is with her ult so you want to make priority hp%, flat hp and er for her. I use her in a hyperbloom team so the one that has em is not needed to be her. For her rotations, I use her with Kuki, and you will think, oh crap, two healers, but she is really useful, since she takes a portion of her life to have the ring, that means she can cure even more than before, remember to put Kuki ring on the last part of the rotation because for my experience if you don’t you will be in the middle of your ult and the ring is gone (if you have ei then this isn’t an issue, and Ei is a great team meme her for her because ei can give even more energy to furina and kokomi meaning you can relax your s search of er substats and focus more on hp) for the stats in your artifacts sets you will want a healing bonus and hydro goblet, if you didn’t find anything useful the hp goblet and circlet is fine, for er 140-160 should be fine, and her talents, every single one is important, the ult will give you the dmg buff, the basics are counted in your ult and the jellyfish is a great damage dealer nun (don’t forget to put the jellyfish while in the ult)

Jean and Charlotte easily caps the fanfare tho. (Applicable on 2nd rotation onwards)

nahida is not really simple

​@@calliope-greiifull em press e press q whars hard

i don't mean in gameplay exactly. i mean in terms of how her abilities function@@YungXin

While I get what you’re trying to say. I kinda disagree a little bit. Kazuha look simple on first glance but he is a lot more complex than people thought. it’s not just “press E/hE, do plunge” and that’s it. you have to understand infusion priorities, reaction priorities and elemental gauge theory. if you’ve been in TC community for a while, you won’t be surprised that people still use him wrong without realizing it. Nahida is very simple, gameplay wise but mechanical wise, she’s not. elemental gauge theory knowledge is required if you want the best out of her. Furina doesn’t require any game knowledge and her gameplay is as simply as it can get. you slap her in the team, press E, heal, Q and that’s it.

​​@@nanathedelta8561i agree that furina is the simplest to play among those three in terms of gameplay and mechanics. furina's kit itself is simple. where she does get a bit complicated imo, is team comps. i always hear content creators and other people say that we can just slap her into any team that needs a hydro and it'll be good, but it's not that simple imo. if you're gonna slap her into a team (that you're already comfortable with), and have her replace someone, and also replace another party member into a healer if they're not already one (and not just any healer, must be a party-wide healer, else it'll feel very clunky), then your play style of said team may change a bit, or change entirely. examples: i wanted to put her into my freeze team. so then i'll have her replace the hydro member (which is usually kokomi, a healer), so i'll need to replace my anemo slot into jean (which is usually kazuha or venti).. but then i lose out on the comfortable grouping capabilities that kazuha or venti provides, which is especially crucial for ayaka, so her burst can hit all enemies as possible. another one is wanderer team, in which a shielder is important. i'll need a healer on top a shielder, and then furina. i'll have to entirely change the team comp from my usual wanderer - C6 faruzan - zhongli - flex slot. so it really isn't as easy as like, replacing mona into kokomi, or replacing kazuha with sucrose, replacing xingqiu with yelan, etcetc.. furina kinda changes your team entirely.

I would say fischl instead of raiden but its ok

@@jonathansanchezberaldo3010 fish cannot properly rigger hyperbloom because her lightning attack hits only the enemy itself and not the core unless Oz hits the core itself

Then maybe yae since her hits can trigger the blooms?

@@jonathansanchezberaldo3010 nah, she also doesn't properly hit them. The only good ones are kuki, raiden and razor with ult

What dps you have?

@@andyluan7183 enough to clear 36*s without her. Hu tao Xiangling/Childe Kuki hyperbloom Raiden hypercarry cuz cons Also have Klee and Eula but I know these two arent that strong. Also also have Lynette and Dehya bizzare aventure burgeon team, this one somehow actually felt good with Furina instead of Xq.

@@andyluan7183 idk man, she just doesnt fit, I even went for her c1 but didnt felt any big difference at all(I was planning on going for her c1 btw, Im not that desperate to make a character work, I had the primos and I dont regret)

​@jonnevitu4979 what teams are you using though? Also Furina scales hard with talents and lvl

Literally put her in a team with a team wide healer and you're set

Who’s onfield in this team?

C6R5 most characters can clear abyss with their eyes closed

@overscore2097 yelan onfield hits roughly 35-40k per arrow, 150k per barb hit, and 120k per skill.

@@seven_8434 even 4 stars can clear easily. the point is sub 10 seconds for speedruns.

I get it the only og healer u get in the start is like barbara until u get use to her mechanics or get a good healer like jean it's kinda feels uneasy playing her

SPOILER: She is actually not an archon

Skill issue

You got bambooozled at every corner kekw

​@@NilsHelloyou're such a loser

Then who heal gorou, bennet and furina?

​@@cleod7439You only need Itto to be healed by bennett in that comp since he'll be doing the majority of DPR.

@@cleod7439 Bennet heals Very quickly. In my rotation you Furina E Q, Bennet Q E, Gorou E Q, Itto. At this point Bennet has healed himself, Gorou and Itto. Because of C2 Furina, you now have max stacks at the start of Itto's burst. Furina doesn't get healed unless you start the rotation with Bennett Q. You can do that but then you lose uptime on it when you switch to Itto. I don't know if this rotation maxes out Furina's C2 personal HP gain, though. I'd have to check. Doesn't matter too much because Itto is doing 60k CA's. And Furina's damage is also very good even without the full 140% HP gain. I should also mention both Gorou and Furina are on Fav and Gorou is using exile set. Bennet is using noblesse.

zajef just doesn't wanna preach any unit too much and thats fine lol, if you know she's broken then you don't need anyone to tell you she is. plus if you know zajef the way he talked abt her here WAS him praising her a lot, his praise is just lowkey

What to say to people who think opportunity cost doesn't matter? Come on dude.

@@afsdfsadhasfh im not here to argue lol, my reply wasn't even hostile

Lmao in this very channel he placed Baizhu higher than YaoYao. Haters gonna hate

@faber3813 I dont know i if your reply is for me, but i follow zajef on twitch and youtube. I like his content, but this doesnt mean i think he is allways right. I remember his Baizhu review on his first banner, how he laughed about him and said that Yaoyao is better. He sometimes has a really bad assessment of characters, although he can test all of them.

He’s said that she’s good. He just prefers Xiangling. Like he’s said this time and time again. It’s not that Vape DPS’s like Hu Tao or Yoimiya are bad, it’s that they’re not enough of an upgrade over Xiangling to be worth your primos unless you really want to play them.

@@tonydai782 yeah it’s all good. I mean not that my opinion matters anyway, but I have seen a trend in zajef’s behaviour over the years, where he downplays a unit because he doesn’t want to push people into spending, and that’s ok; but then he started believing his own words to the point where he can’t even admit that a unit is extremely good when hoyoverse gives us a unit that is actually worth pulling for.

Why?? She is extremely versatile, only needs a healer to make her work

@cleod7439 I don't like her playstyle. I wish I pulled for Neuvilette then saved, now idk if I can get Navia 😕

@@keneunaegbu851 i mean... Her playstyle is anything you want it to be. You should try her with any carry dps, she give good results my favorite team out of neuvillette's, is Itto, albedo, Charlotte, furina (surprisingly that team do more dmg with furina than with C6 Gorou).

Same

I think the valid take is: Already grounded teams don't find Furina an upgrade since it involves rearranging teams that involve characters you may not own. Furina is an upgrade to those that aren't necessarily staples so Wriothesley freeze kinda became a staple itself, Noelle finds new staples, and Jean teams find better teams such as Sunfire which now has better forward vape through Furina. Furina is also remarkably different from other archons where others are very unga-bunga friendly. Venti during hos shining moments has Unga bunga CC and is powerful comfort from his CC. Zhongli is a comfort archon with omni shred to compliment shields for comfort of not needing to dodge, hurting most people's skill level. Nahida is the archon of the child-friendly element, dendro, which has the most user friendly brain-dead reaction in the game, while she supplements more than enough dendro from off field so you can just watch everything die while she is off or on field. Furina is different though. She is both a high-effort high-reward archon and high-risk high-reward archon. She rewards vertical investment as she buffs personal damage and not the high floor elemental reactions, and also rewarding effort towards healing. She is also high risk as she continually pushes team HP towards a boundary where safety is at jeopardy, but rewards an effort to manage HP with a universal buff that also compliments the character doing healing. Furina really do be thr high-risk and high-effort high-reward archon.

@@flamezforthegamez1056 She is not an Archon...

@@flamezforthegamez1056 her team compositions are extremely fixed if u want actual good performance as I mentioned in previous comment, ur want a hydro and healer in a team by default, + Furina that’s 3 slots out of 4 slots gone Having double hydro makes so Furina can have good personal dmg bcs she doesn’t need to stack 230+ ER, healer is necessary, preferably teamwide healer. If u want to overlap the healer and hydro into one, ur given the option Barbara and Kokomi. Barbara has shit particles generation so no, Kokomi is good only if u use her on field, and her on field mono hydro team is good For teams that don’t have hydro and healer by default, forcefully putting Furina + healer in will always guarantee to result in downgrade, you will perform well in first rotation, but your 2nd rotation will just fall off hard bcs your Furina probly don’t have her burst up yet and u need funneling non-hydro particles to her, think about that Noelle benefits a lot from Furina, but the team is still not very great when ur comparing it to some of the more meta teams we have currently, plus not a lot of people have their Noelle built She is by no mean a bad or awful unit, just a very niche unit that performs really well and is indeed a big upgrade to a selected few teams despite being an Archon, but her C2 does make her the best character in the game to have though, and spoiler alert. I do know she’s not archon, however Hoyo had built up her image as archon to players ever since leaks, so it’s expected that we have high expectation for her especially after seeing Neuvillette being so broken, we expected Furina to be just as broken as a support, but sadly that isn’t the case

@@episode4882 furina doesn't need 230+ ER. You are highly exaggerating her energy needs I run her solo burnvape as the only fav wielder and she gets her burst back up before the current buff finishes. And everyone else is on their own weapons and even sac sword instead. Double hydro is only for Hu Tao vape and national, which wouldn't make sense since putting Jean there is basically Sunfire Jean vape, unless you use a healer like Barbara or Kokomi as healer slot. Furina can be solo hydro in freeze, quickbloom, and burgeonvape, as well as bain-marie. Raiden taser is pretty fitting and not inflexible. Jean isn't the only anemo healer plus Jean has one o hr smallest circle impacts so far. It's also not always a downgrade. Hu Tao vape gains AoE. You know that literally ever dps in Hu Tao team is ST oriented right? Furina is AoE and so is Jean,yet this Hu Tao vape team is easier going than her previous Vv vape team with kazuha and a Thoma/tankfei. It also can be supplemented by Baizhu who let's Hu Tao do respectable burgeons sine he gives active character a dendro reaction dmg bonus, plus you aren't always having to worry about the ugliness Hu Tao being below full HP and staying at half. Wriothesley gets a better freeze team through Furina . Xiao gets extra extra dmg bonus, so much so that atk goblet looks good on him. You know team pain of finding even a decent elemental.dmg bonus goblet, let alone on set, but Furina with over the top dmg bonus, then supplied by Kazuha or yelan, let's the main dps use a different goblet, one that is meets other needs and is also better crit values than elemental goblets. Furina is only gonna get better. Furina is thr gateway for higher sales on future healers. You see a healer that gives strong IR and some mediocre buff, and that would help Xiao or Wanderer, both who do want shields or IR, and also Yoimiya. Furina's value for teams is only just the beginning. Hoyo is giving crmbs right now fo Furina teams for pre-existing healers. A self provided elemental shred grouper without the dmg bonus would be better suited than Kazuha plus someone else, since Furina gives dmg bonus to everyone regardless of element.

Not really. There are many team where u sub in furina + healer to replace 2 existing unit makes the team significantly better. As for defensive utility,u forget that there is already a healer in that team. Also healers like baizhu can give interruption resistance as well. Furina is not a downgrade for wanderer teams. Wanderer + furina + faru + jean currently has the highest dps for any wanderer team(from what ive seen at least) and its not unrealistic to play as well. Zaj always just forgets that after u use ur E with wanderer u can just hit the space bar once to ascend higher. In this state,most enemy attacks wont hit you. And the special stamina consumed to ascend is off set by the fact that u get the hydro buff on wanderers ring. Also furinas ER req isnt that high even on a wanderer team cuz ur using 2 favs in jean and faruzan.

that is the............weirdest thing I have read.

This is truly a comment I've read.