Talking about Sparkpelt

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Sunney Rabbit

Sunney Rabbit

Күн бұрын

AKA Sunney Rabbit’s Certified Sparkpelt Compilation of Almost Every Time she’s on Screen Doing Something Notable
Today's video is about Sparkpelt! In this very brief video we will quickly go over the short history of one of Firestar's granchildren. Starting with AVoS and moving through all the way to the most recent arc ASC. Towards the ends we'll speculate about future books then wrap up the video with a recap of her personality.
Timestamps
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00:00- Hello Everybunny!
00:28- A Vision of Shadows
7:24- Squirrelflight's Hope
10:21- The Broken Code
15:03- Shadow and Thunder (SPOILERS)
16:10- Wrapping Up

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@Celeste-jh2lj
@Celeste-jh2lj Жыл бұрын
I do got to admit its a bit annoying when FireStars descents are racist to kittypets bc like bro youre decended from kittypets. Have a little respect for your roots
@itznptime806
@itznptime806 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say racism, id say xenophobia And yeah , almost every thunder clan cat either has kittypet blood or is half clan Like , right now what you guys need is kittypets because you guys are all related to eachother lol
@Celeste-jh2lj
@Celeste-jh2lj Жыл бұрын
@@itznptime806 that was the word i was looking for. I was just drawing a blank on it so thank you
@itznptime806
@itznptime806 Жыл бұрын
@@Celeste-jh2lj np!!
@Weirdanimalboy
@Weirdanimalboy Жыл бұрын
It’s also annoying when none of the other characters are like “Bro, that’s not cool.” Not only are good portions of TC kittypet descendants through Firestar and Cloudtail, Stormcloud is a former kittypet and lives among them. Granted the authors definitely have no memory on who he is, but it’s such an old and odd trope to fall back on. “You’re not like those _other_ kittypets, you’re one of the good ones!”
@Celeste-jh2lj
@Celeste-jh2lj Жыл бұрын
@@Weirdanimalboy right like its old and annoying. Come on erins
@siobhannoble8545
@siobhannoble8545 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see Sparkpelt and Nightheart reconcile. They share a lot of traits like stubbornness and pride, but also bravery and willingness to question authority. Ideally, I'd like to see Sparkpelt apologise to her son for pressuring him with Firestar's legacy and turning her back on him when he tried to carve his own path. Nightheart could also acknowledge that his mother; while not perfect; did the best she could for her kits, and he'd rather be seen as Sparkpelt's kin than Firestar's.
@Atlasorsomething
@Atlasorsomething Жыл бұрын
That would be such a nice way for their character arcs to go. I really hope the Erins decide to go with something like that path.
@Celeste-jh2lj
@Celeste-jh2lj Жыл бұрын
Id like to see it but with their reaction to his name change. Idk
@riverswitness6293
@riverswitness6293 Жыл бұрын
adding some psychology into these books, sparkpelt's kits should be mentally messed up due to their early childhood trauma. the first few years of a baby's life is super important with way the child will learn to socialize and rely on other people. nightheart probably has some form of reactive attachment disorder (rad) due to the neglect he faced as a child. even if sparkpelt wished to neglect her kits or not, it happened during a very fundamental time. this has left nightheart as an emotional mess that doesn't seek out a relationship with his mother, has been withdrawing from social situations, and always looking for an environment that he could control. while i don't believe that there is a writer on the team that actually has any knowledge about this, it surprisingly fits and could explain a lot of his behavior. as for finchlight, anxious-preoccupied attachment style would fit best, but we haven't exactly seen much. just her close connection, very conjoined at the hip, relationship with her mother could be a result of an overbearing relationship that has lasted into adulthood. anyways, not a concrete thing and i'm not saying that they are exactly this, but just an interesting thing to point out.
@inkylynx2777
@inkylynx2777 Жыл бұрын
I really like this take. Idk if this is psychologically sound, but his sudden attachment to Sunbeam could be attraction to perceived motherly traits in her as a replacement for his mom.
@riverswitness6293
@riverswitness6293 Жыл бұрын
@@inkylynx2777 that is definitely something that could happen. to me, nightheart's behavior is heavily rooted to the neglect he faced as a kit and how that affects his relationships in adulthood. i think that, because the neglect came from his mother, he's trying to do anything to distance himself from her. he's looked to motherly sources outside of sparkpelt, gone to the non-firestar side of his family in bramblestar, looked out things to do outside of thunderclan and with cats from other clans. his detachment to his mother isn't just with her, but all things that she is into, that being firestar and thunderclan. while it's possible he loves sunbeam in a romantic sense, i personally think it's more of a copying strategy. his sister and friends (bayshine and myrtlebloom) have driven a wedge between him and the rest of the clan, so he runs away. instead of trying to fix his relationship with his friends and family, he flees because it's easier to run away than deal with the trauma. unfortunately, i think this was all accidentally done on the writers' side and we probably won't see a satisfying end to his childhood trauma.
@siobhannoble8545
@siobhannoble8545 Жыл бұрын
@@riverswitness6293 The writers could actually explain a lot of characters' behaviour if they were capable of looking further than surface level personalities. Tigerstar's xenophobia and obsessive need to keep all clans strong clearly stem from the trauma of losing his sister and home to Darktail, an outsider. His control freak tendencies are a result of his guilt over abandoning his duties to Shadowclan, which resulted in the clan dissolving and his father dying. Bramblestar's behaviour in SH could be attributed to his strong desire to avoid conflict between the clans. He lost his father figure and foster daughter in a battle where all the clans were united against a common enemy. He could see allowing the clans to fall into conflict again as a dishonour to their memory. The Sisters provided a convenient scapegoat for the clans to focus their aggression on, instead of each other. It's amazing how the writers have the outlines of truly complex and interesting characters right before them, but are either incapable or unwilling to do anything with them.
@riverswitness6293
@riverswitness6293 Жыл бұрын
@@siobhannoble8545 i believe the saying goes even a broken clock is right twice a day. eventually, the writers would have to stumble into a good character plot every now and then. i am really liking the unintentional plot that a starless clan is setting up with everybody having trauma and drama, but i know that only parts of it are actually what the clan wants. unfortunately, most of media analysis is thinking that writers and creators are making more intelligent writing decisions than they actually are. nightheart's story is surprisingly lining up with reactive attachment disorder due to childhood trauma, but i highly doubt anybody in that writer's room has ever heard of their of those two things.
@inkylynx2777
@inkylynx2777 Жыл бұрын
@River's Witness Oh absolutely (responding to the stopped clock comment). I also think Hanlon's Razor needs to be applied when very negative forms of this comes about (such as sexism, the Tribe, the development of BrambleSquirrel, and so on). Hanlon's Razor just means "Never attribute to malice what can be easily explained with stupidity or ignorance." Some of the stuff in Warriors wouldn't fall under this, but at least a good chunk can.
@marymccann3500
@marymccann3500 Жыл бұрын
(Long comment, tl;dr is that the sudden focus on Firestar being the Bestest lessens both his character and that of his descendants, especially Spark and Night.) Suddenly piveting to Firestar being cat-Jesus in the most recent books feels... disingenuous, I think is the right word. For most of his life and a good time after his death he was a respected warrior and leader, sure, but he had dissenters. He had people who didn't like him, and enemies both within and without his clan. His whole arc in the first series was overcoming the prejudice of his clanmates and the other clans, and growing to become the leader he always had the potential to be. Even at his most respected and powerful he had people who thought he sucked, which was great. It was pushing him to act as best as he could, to not rest on his laurels, and to take everyone's thoughts and feelings into account before making a major decision. But now, suddenly, we're supposed to think Firejuice is the most important thing for a warrior to have? I understand that the series loves familial lineage, but when so much of Firestar's early arc is choosing where to place your loyalty regardless of blood (both Bluestar and Yellowfang say that they see Fireheart as a surrogate son, Bramblepaw rejects his father's hateful message and stays loyal to his clan and mentor, Cloudtail being closer to his foster mother Brindleface than his birth mother Princess, etc.) it's like they're saying the first arc is fundamentally wrong in its approach to this topic. And this sudden shift to The Firestar And Family Show (no Leafpool or Cloudtail line!) is a large part of why Sparkpelt's sudden "Descendant Of Firestar" priority feels shoehorned in. She never had this in AVOS or TBC, with the closest possible comparison being how her name was never Sparkfire. Her pride in kin was based on her father and mother, not her grandfather, and in her brother's abilities as a medicine cat. She took pride in her family, sure, but she didn't try to define herself by it. She knew her own abilities and her strengths, and never tried to hide who she was behind a mask of blood descent. I've heard it from other fans as well, but it seems as though they're trying to make Nightheart look more pitiable by making ThunderClan more dickish. The problem is that ThunderClan as we know it wouldn't act like this. They admire Firestar, but they don't worship him. For the most part they seem content to remember him fondly and with respect, and to live in the present. Suddenly pivoting to him being the specialist little boy robs him of the power of his arc and the agency of the clan he left behind. If they can't live without him or his legacy, then why should we care about them as anything other than an extension of Firestar? A possible reworking of Nightheart's arc would be his Fire-angst being self-imposed. Flamepaw sees himself, the least Firestar-looking member of his family and the least naturally talented, and vies to be as respected and admired as the former leader, constantly pushing himself to be more like what his clanmates say Firestar was like. Every mistake or misstep is another dent to his ego, while every victory and achievement is devalued because Firestar could have done better, could be better. His mother, who thinks that he's just trying to be a go-getter, unintentionally fuels the angst by remarking how much he's like his father, which makes Flamepaw think she doesn't see him as a proper Fireclone. A talk with Alderheart near the end of River about how Alderheart himself struggled with comparing himself to both his sister and his father would help Flamepaw realize that he doesn't need to be Firestar Jr. Jr., he could just be himself. He asks for and receives his name change, but this isn't the end of his arc, merely the first step towards figuring himself out. From then on his problems with Spark and Finch would mostly be misunderstandings and miscommunication, as Nightheart can only see them trying to help as them thinking he's incapable, and them seeing his aloofness and irritation as him thinking he's not wanted. This got away from my, I'm sorry.
@limabatz2990
@limabatz2990 Жыл бұрын
We were so robbed for the name Sparkfire fr 😔
@Celeste-jh2lj
@Celeste-jh2lj Жыл бұрын
Honestly. Im getting tired of the constant pelt ending. Its unoriginal
@shroomytic
@shroomytic Жыл бұрын
@user-xt3jj6om3e FRL!! No one wonder people forget half the background warrior cats, they have the same names!!!
@Cinna_Toasted.
@Cinna_Toasted. Жыл бұрын
@@Celeste-jh2lj It’s either pelt or fur
@Celeste-jh2lj
@Celeste-jh2lj Жыл бұрын
@@Cinna_Toasted. right. Like come on and be a little more creative. So boring
@Cinna_Toasted.
@Cinna_Toasted. Жыл бұрын
@@Celeste-jh2lj Exactly
@shadowisinsane845
@shadowisinsane845 Жыл бұрын
I dont want Sparkpelt to die specifically because I dont want Squilf to suffer anymore. She just had to deal with the whole Ashfur thing, her mate is kinda abusive and also depressed and traumatized atm, she lost her adopted daughter, she lost her father, she lost her mother, she lost her sister, the cat she was closest with, and her litter of Spark and Alder had two kits who didn't make it. Shes been through enough, I dont want her to have to deal with her daughter dying PLEASE, Authers, give. Squilf. A break. She. Deserves. Better.
@Frostfern94
@Frostfern94 6 ай бұрын
The whole of Thunderclan wouldn’t respect her while her abusive dead mate/leader was gone with her abusive… well ex friend. They were never together romantically. Sparkpelt suffered and it affected Squilf a lot, etc… there’s just… she’s going through so much honestly.
@darkninjafirefox
@darkninjafirefox Жыл бұрын
I really hope Sparkpelt gets more to do in the future, I would have loved to get her pov and learn how she feels living up to her family's legacy.
@inkylynx2777
@inkylynx2777 Жыл бұрын
It seems like most of all, Warriors suffers from a handful of writing choices that make it fall on its face: 1) The constrictions of arcs to six 300-page books. If the plot is too short, throw in some hunting sessions to pad it out. If it's too long, split it up between arcs or just cut things that really need to happen. I've not read TBC, but I wondered if the arc would've had tighter pacing if it'd been cut down to three or four books. And you can look at any series with a definitive ending to see book lengths vary wildly, especially in adult fantasy. The first book may be 500 pages, but the next one needs 700 pages, and the one after that drops down to 600 pages, with the final book getting 900 pages. 2) The restrictions in POV. Aside from the prologues, bonus chapters, Moonrise, and Night Whispers, we don't get perspectives of any potentially active players in an arc, unless it's a supplemental super edition, novella, or graphic novel. I'm reading the Wheel of Time, and one thing I'm liking about the books as they progress is that it doesn't just confine the perspectives to Rand and the Emmond's Field Five, but as the cast grows, their friends gain perspectives, and you even get the perspectives of antagonists to build the tension and help you understand their worldview. If something important is happening, they'll show it to you. In application to Warriors, you could get into the paws of various cats and actually _know without a shadow of a doubt_ why they're doing something. We wouldn't be playing this guessing game with Sparkpelt as to why she behaves as she does if we get to see Skyclan's arrival and the Imposter's reign in her scattered perspective. This would nullify the need for Tigerclaw's Fury, Spotfur's Rebellion, Leopardstar's Honor, and basically every supplemental book that takes place during an arc since an unlimited amount of POVs would include these cats. Think of it this way: The Hunger Games and other books that were originally written in first person received film adaptations that _couldn't_ just keep the camera on their main characters. They need to have time away from the protagonist to develop one thing or another, and that's what the quartet of films did. And it's all the better for it. It lets you get to see the thoughts and opinions of others outside of your protagonist. 3) Cutting the hunting and patrol scenes in favor for folklore and character interaction. A true testament to good writing is being able to multitask in one's writing, letting character shine despite the scene being fairly mundane. And we've all bemoaned the lack of culture; getting to hear there are stories the cats tell one another in their downtime or at gatherings (along with who they tell it to and with and how they tell it) would bolster the ties to their culture and make them feel less like a collection of cults. I know this won't happen with Warriors; it's a bookshelf fodder paycheck series. But I think understanding these technical aspects of writing would help fanfic writers or would-be cat xenofiction writers know how to write their works and shed all the conventions Warriors set.
@SunneyRabbit
@SunneyRabbit Жыл бұрын
POVs tend to hyper focus on whoever it’s about and the current plot the arc is about. There hasn’t been a lot of wiggle room in recent books for characters to talk to their friends or clanmates when the plot needs Protagonistpaw to be in the right place at the right time. I noticed a couple times with Bristlefrost’s chapters that she sort of stood around to watch things happen while never really participating or reacting. The Warrior Cats model is great for consistency but the formula for 6 books, 300 pages and 3 POVs is too restrictive for it’s storytelling. I’m reading the A Song of Ice and Fire series and I love the new POVs that each book gets. Each character might get a wildly different telling of an event that we the readers saw from a another character’s perspective. It rocks! I don’t think it would hurt Warrior Cats to give a chapter or two to the antagonist or side character every once in a while. We could see which cats hang out regularly or some insight into why some characters support different things (Imposted Bramblestar for example). Anything to lengthen wiki pages to more than just “this character happening to be in the same room as the current protagonist”.
@siobhannoble8545
@siobhannoble8545 Жыл бұрын
@@SunneyRabbit Seeing Flametail's POV in OoTS was an interesting and welcome change. It was the first time the focus shifted to a clan other than Thunderclan, and we got to see the thoughts of a character directly opposed to the protagonists. Of course, they then killed him off and went back to the usual protags. I like that the newer books are including the other clans more, but they could benefit from being more flexible in regards to the POV characters. Maybe do what they did in TNP and change protagonists each book, depending on what happens.
@aggressivelyme9657
@aggressivelyme9657 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the 3 POV characters is a uniquely bad compromise, because in arc 1 when you have exactly 1 POV for the entire arc you can have a much more satisfying, fully-developed inner world for that one character. With more characters scattered around you can get more snapshots of the action and world from different angles. But exactly 3 characters? This way you don't really get enough time to see them develop, /and/ it's harder for the writers to let you see the plot in a natural-feeling way, /and/ by rigidly passing the viewpoint chapter by chapter to A, B, C you end up losing most or all momentum between chapter changes, where sometimes they have a sweet spot with all three characters witnessing their own separate but related plot, but mostly it's 0-1 POVs that are actually doing anything important, and the rest are just killing time until the next interesting chapter. I definitely feel like books 1-3 of TBC did the triple viewpoint well, and books 4-6 did it soooo horribly, where a lot of book 5 was "Character A is doing this thing" for one chapter, then the next chapter is "Character B watches Character A doing the thing, then also does the thing"
@Frostfern94
@Frostfern94 6 ай бұрын
I’ll disagree on the POV thing. I HATE having too many POVs to the point where some series I just WONT read. I much prefer a book that only has one point of view to one that has five. Also with the Hunger Games thing- I don’t think they SHOULD have shown Snow. I think she should have been equally as threatening and mysterious in the movies as he was in the books and showing his POV just doesn’t do it. I ADORE Hunger Games, it’s my comfort series, I just think that could have been done differently.
@sulfur9915
@sulfur9915 Жыл бұрын
I really hope Sparkpelt gets to do some cool stuff in the upcoming books. She used to be one of my favorites after reading the apprentices quest. I even wrote fanfiction about her being the AVOS main character. Great video!
@anthonysmith9482
@anthonysmith9482 Жыл бұрын
You got me into reading warrior cats. One of your videos (don't remember which) came on my KZfaq recommended some reason. Never heard of the series. Purchased the first series just out of curiosity. Now I'm hooked.
@Spottedstorm27
@Spottedstorm27 Жыл бұрын
I really liked Sparkpelt up until this current arc. I really hope she makes up with Nightheart by the end
@bananacrispies
@bananacrispies Жыл бұрын
So glad to see someone who talks about warrior cats not seething and trying to claim that Nightheart stole Sparkpelt's story and pointing out how racist she is their own context. Love the explanation of their psychology, finally someone who defends Nightheart being bitter about his mother's place in his life. Just because she went through extremely hard times isn't an excuse to be so absent in his life. I like that he doesn't really want to be what she wants him to be. Satisfying.
@BizzarDragon
@BizzarDragon 6 күн бұрын
The thumbnail had me dying, great choice of words.
@-w-1870
@-w-1870 Жыл бұрын
The avatar references are too perfect-
@alixdied4713
@alixdied4713 Жыл бұрын
I love ur thumbnails oml
@SunneyRabbit
@SunneyRabbit Жыл бұрын
Thank you. They’re my favorite part lol
@alixdied4713
@alixdied4713 Жыл бұрын
@Sunney Rabbit understandable Idk why I didn't say this but I also love the videos! Great job!
@usa1949
@usa1949 Жыл бұрын
Sparkperlt is Very Underrated and Amazing Charcter in my Opinion She Should be More in the Books
@fallen_orchids
@fallen_orchids Жыл бұрын
If we keep a thunderclan pov in asc with night being in shadowclan now,,, I hope we get to see more of sparkpelt’s relationship with alderheart! They’re some of my fav siblings and I think this could be an arc where we see more of their dynamic
@painthedoll
@painthedoll Жыл бұрын
I do find it interesting with her and Finch being with Sunbeam in the cover of Thunder. Why we don't know how Sun and Night's relationship will go I doubt they'd stop being friends even if they aren't romantically involved. So having Sunbeam, who knows the most about Nightheart's mommy issues, having to travel with Spark and Finch could be interesting! Rather for their own mission or if Frostpaw and Nightheart end up gone too long on their mission. (Somewhat hoping for their own mission, but I can see them wanting to try save Nightheart if he gets himself into trouble. He be damsel in distress I guess 😂) I'd love to see Sunbeam and Sparkpelt's interactions, especially with Sunbeam's own mommy issues right now. I honestly think Sparkpelt doesn't completely realize that her using Firestar's legacy to push down her grief is effecting her kits. Especially when she claims Firestar's legacy helped him in his assessment. Most other mothers probably would have said their father was with them. And based of how much Night thinks of Larksong and how much he's like his dad...I think that could be part of the tension between him and his mom. WE know she still is mourning and thinking about Larksong. But Nightheart doesn't. I think it be interesting him doing something that is much more like his father and getting Sparkpelt's response on that part of him could go better then if it's on Firestar. Idk why my first thought is him getting poisoned? Maybe cause when the tension in the clans about cats moving clans it is likely someone to be that drastic. But heck even something as simple as helping Riverclan is like Larksong in some way as Larksong was one the cats sent to help riverclan in the fire He also had helped puddleshine out of barbed wire. I think Nightheart would be very set on helping others in his own way, he doesn't need to be this big leader like Firestar to help others. Nightheart watched his whole clan be run into shambles and lived in fear under Imposterstar. I think him turning down this idea that they need a hero of old to save them is very much brought from this experience. Afterall how many other cats have saved the clan and more? I'd love to see how that forms as he realizes exactly where his feelings come from and confront his clan and family on it. Sparkpelt acknowledging how both their grief had cause them to butt heads, that Nightheart isn't an image of Firestar but mix of both his parents. The look of his father and the firey temper of his mother. That's the legacy he wants to upheld. Not Firestar's.
@beingmyself5790
@beingmyself5790 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully there’s an arc where Nightheart become Breezepelt 2.0 but he actually kills and does some massive damage to thunderclan
@japanesejackalope
@japanesejackalope Жыл бұрын
While I’m not a Sparkpelt fan I can’t deny she’s a decent character. I think I’m a bit bias since I kind of relate to Nightheart more.
@Frostfern94
@Frostfern94 6 ай бұрын
Same
@funkyfelinefriend
@funkyfelinefriend Жыл бұрын
amazing video!
@Boon_4444
@Boon_4444 Жыл бұрын
No idea who sparkpelt is, i stopped reading warriors after they went into the mountains for the 7000th time, but you have a rabbit sona so im watching
@FlowerGriffon
@FlowerGriffon Жыл бұрын
I hate the fact that you made them so adorable ❤️
@boyboiling
@boyboiling Жыл бұрын
they fr went "sparkfire is to weird" and then named blazepaw Blazefire xO
@user-jf7lf5ks8q
@user-jf7lf5ks8q Жыл бұрын
Sparkpelt should’ve gotten nightheart’s story tbh
@actuallyafrog8270
@actuallyafrog8270 Жыл бұрын
I like Sparkpelt :)
@g-martt356
@g-martt356 5 ай бұрын
I never really cared about Sparkpelt until I start to read River of Fire, when she decide to be suck toward SkyClan and be a bitch with Twigpaw just because she was confuses about what clan she belonged. I mean, I'm so frustrated seing how ThunderClan cats always acts sucks with kittypets, loners, half-borns and all, even that they got so many good things from cats like this. Like, they just close their eyes and pretend it's okay to be asshole with this kind of cats and forget that ThunderClan has a lot of kittypets roots. I was especially mad about how they reacted when Twigpaw decided to stay in ThunderClan for good. Like, there was so many cats that has "betrayed" and then come back and got accepted, but it was different with Twigpaw? Why? Because she was a SkyClan cat before? Bluestar, Graystripe, Ivypool, Hollyleaf and others have made mistakes that got forgiven by their clanmates (sometimes, really easily), but when its about "outsiders" they make a fuss and keep questioning loyalty anytime they can, while the others just look and say "uh, nothing wrong, deal with it". I mean, I just realized how ThunderClan (and the others clans too) can be really hypocrit . I don't know if I wrote something wrong, but anyway, sorry for the bad english btw.
@Phys1cChihuahua
@Phys1cChihuahua Жыл бұрын
I forgot about Sparkpelt 💀
@aliviahouk7018
@aliviahouk7018 Жыл бұрын
I love sparkpelt but I think she is a bitch. In a loving way. My favorite moment for her is when she defended alderheart from a kittypet So by the way in your skyclan timeline video I noticed something you missed. The apprentice ages from bellaleaf to tinycloud's babies. So hawkwing's journey we have snipkit, curlykit, and fidgetkit. They are about 2-4 moons old. Then there is mintfur's gravelkit, palekit, nectorkit, and fringekit. They are a couple days to 1 moon old. Plumwillow is said to be visibly pregnant. So we can guess 2 weeks-1 moon. This is said when the darktail battle hasn't happened yet. Pebbleshine is said to be pregnant at about barely's barn. So a moon into the journey. Plumwillow should have had her kits by then. It is not said how much time it took to get to lake 2.0. It has to be a week-1 moon. Plumwillow is very overdue and pebbleshine is 1 moon - 1 moon and 1/2 at this point. The birdwing kits are apprenticed they are 6-9 moons old. Apprenticed late or at the right time. Plum willow has her kits 4-5 moons overdue. Pebbleshine should have also had her kits. Jump forward to when alderpaw and needlepaw find twig and violet. This is 4-9 moons after. Pebbleshine would have been pregnant for a year or more. Jump back. Finpaw, dewpaw, and reedpaw are apprenticed. This is at around the right time. Twig and violet are apprenticed at the right time or even a little early. Okay so at that point fidget should be over a year old, finpaw should be 9-11 moons. Fast forward to when violet and the skyclan cats go to the gorge. They find mint's kits. They are said to be obviously apprentices. They would be over a year and fidget would be over a year. They are saying violet is older even though she is 8-11 moons younger. Back at the lake twig is implied to be older than fin and his siblings. They are way older. Bellaleaf and her brother would have been promoted way late.
@SunneyRabbit
@SunneyRabbit Жыл бұрын
Wow I didn’t even realize I missed taking the ages of the apprentices and kits into account. The SkyClan timeline is definitely all over the place with the ages of everyone in the clan at this point. No one in the book has said anything about it so it’s kinda sorted itself out
@Duothimir
@Duothimir Жыл бұрын
bnuuy
@Peaceandluv.
@Peaceandluv. Жыл бұрын
Not rlly a sparkpelt fan, when she was in her early life, she had attention and praise, but did she defend Alder? Naw. And then *neglecting* her son? *NAW*
@imaginarylivingbody7154
@imaginarylivingbody7154 Жыл бұрын
She never neglected her son that’s a retcon.
@nyra8263
@nyra8263 Жыл бұрын
@@imaginarylivingbody7154 no it isnt
@Juanfilipe766
@Juanfilipe766 Жыл бұрын
@@imaginarylivingbody7154 (spoilers for broken code ) Sparkpelt neglected her kits for the first few weeks of their life out of grief for larksong, her mate, who died right in front of her. In squirrelflights hope, squirrelflight encourages her to be a better mother, and not let her grief affect how she raises her kits. Night heart was too young to remember how sparkpelt acted during this period. Later, sparkpelt was exiled from thunder clan for defying bramblestar. At this time, we didn’t have nighthearts perspective, but is obvious he felt horrible about this. His mother Sparkpelt, and then his sister finchflight were gone, he had to be constantly has to be weary of his leader, let alone his grandfather, and on top of that, he feels pressured to be as great as firestar once was. The rest of his kin he Interacts with in a starless clan were either exiled (lionblazes, Jayfeather and Alderheart) or going through so much pain and trouble themselves (bramble star and squirrelflight) to really care about how nightheart felt. (flame paw at the time). Flame paw feels so bitter because his kin wasn’t there to help him when he needed them the most. This wasn’t any cats fault other than the imposter, but nightheart couldn’t get over the turmoil he felt after his kin left or was exiled and feels the need to blame sparkpelt for it. She never intentionally neglected him, she was forced to leave him. By the time his kin comes back he probably expected everything to be okay again. His kin pushes him to be the best he can be, because they see future greatness in him seeing as he stayed in thunder clan when there was really nothing left for him there. He believed thunder clan could change for the better, but is utterly let down when his kin comes back and everything is still as bad as it was. Lionblaze, sparkpelt, squirrelflight and finchflight seem unaware of all he had been through when they left. He doesn’t think they appreciate him even though they did, and very much so, just not in the way he wanted them too. He wanted to be acknowledged for who he was, not compared to some cat who was just as hopeful for thunder clan. He had been through so much trying to keep thunderclan together, and just wanted to be happy with his kin. Sparkpelt never neglected her son, she very much valued him and named him after the grand firestar because of it, she just wasn’t the kind of mother nightheart needed. Nightheart wanted to valued for who he was and be happy with his kin, not be pushed to be like someone else.
@imaginarylivingbody7154
@imaginarylivingbody7154 Жыл бұрын
@@Juanfilipe766 It was at most a week or so, they haven’t even left the nursery yet. They were still being cared for by Daisy and Sorrelstripe (who fed them). Sparkpelt also fed them for a bit while she was recovering as well. Even still, the “neglect” Nightheart faced was a retcon. Furthermore, there was no on-screen instance of Bramblefake punishing/scaring Nightheart. We are told it happened after the fact, but that’s kind of shitty storytelling. Most of Nightheart’s conflict with his family was artificially created because the authors enjoy demonizing their female characters for the sake of their male characters. Nightheart’s issues were never shown prior to him becoming a POV character.
@JustDuckiest
@JustDuckiest 11 ай бұрын
I'd rather Sparkstar than Nightstar. But unfortunately it feels like Nightheart is destined for leadership imo.
@Frostfern94
@Frostfern94 6 ай бұрын
I’d rather neither personally. Firestars lineage is just… we can stop at Ivypool, though she’s barely related to him.
@JustDuckiest
@JustDuckiest 6 ай бұрын
@@Frostfern94 totally agree lol
@imaginarylivingbody7154
@imaginarylivingbody7154 Жыл бұрын
Sparkpelt deserves the world. She did nothing wrong!
@spoojimoth
@spoojimoth Жыл бұрын
I hate sparkpelt. Fight me. She pushed so much onto nightheart!
@corainetheanimator
@corainetheanimator Жыл бұрын
I will say I do not want sparkpelt as a leader, i am opposed to firestar clones as leader or deputy in any clan, too many firestar kids
@thatweirdfangirl15
@thatweirdfangirl15 9 ай бұрын
I think its a shame the Erin's keep butchering female characters. Like the way they make Spark and Squirrelflight act in the arc is so out of character? Anyways i love Sparkpelt and hope they can fix her character and make her have some amazing moments because i literally cannot stand her son, he's so annoying and i think Spark deserve so much better.
@kolomtao
@kolomtao Жыл бұрын
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