The “8 years of organic learning can be replaced with 6 months of intentional learning” gives me hope after feeling like I've wasted too much time

The fact that Destiny wasn't multitasking by playing a game in the background tells you how invested he was in this discussion but almost certainly its because he was engaging with Dr. K.

We all can agree Destiny lost this debate

Never dated anyone (and was a virgin) until about two years after I graduated college. Six month of intentional learning how to be a good supportive boyfriend and also how sex works definitely easily replaced that “lost” decade of experiences. Speaking from experience, it’s all gonna be ok guys. Sometimes it just takes longer than you’d want

Stream starts at 9:00

It's always nice to see the two of you interact, thank you Dr. K

I find that Steven does something very interesting, which is when he and someone else accidentally talk over each other, he would say "go ahead", but also will repeat the last thing that person said. It could just be me, but I don't see it done often, and I find it very considerate and shows how interested you are in the other person's perspective. Really cool

This will blow your mind - there was a recent meta-analysis that compiled dozens of high quality studies on depression, anxiety, and even schizophrenia, to figure out if there was a common thread underlying them all. After controlling for a host of spurious factors across all the populations, the conclusion for the study found a statistically significant and undeniable proof in the data that Destiny is indeed a girl's name.

I learned more from this conversation than most media I've consumed over the past year. The information density is fantastic. Thank you for your incredibly insightful commentary. Both you and Destiny.

This has to be one of the most brain stretching conversations I've heard in a while.

this stream was liquid gold, i’m so happy i got to listen to these both ppl talk in such a healthy manner even if they had differing opinions, i honestly learnt a lot

Was able to tune into half of it and this seemed like a good stream. I agree with Dr. K - I like how Destiny moved conversations and addresses opposing opinions

Dr. k: I love talking to you man 😃 Destiny: sure -__- Lmao

Destiny: “I only wanna take a strong position on something that I feel incredibly grounded in, and for everything else I want to leave myself open to change”

these convos are the best dr k content, love the lectures but something hits different about these more casual vids

I really enjoyed the videos from years back where Dr. K talked with Devin Nash about mental health, I think it would be interesting to see another talk as a part of Mental Health May

I mean just... wow. Never have I felt compelled to take out a notebook and write down pieces of advice from media before, but this video is different. It seems as though each topic they speak on has so much value to the average person, so much PRACTICAL information that can be applied in one's life immediately. They are truly incredible people, who have spent so much time learning about life and mental health. I'll be keeping this in my saved videos forever.

I feel like Destiny and Dr K complement eachother so well. They are both similar in the fact that they're clearly very smart introspective guys, but they personalities are complete opposite and that makes for good convo's.

from my perspective that lack of friction and struggle is because people like me are in a difficult economic situation so we kind of get funneled into very few paths and options. So when you're forced to pick between options that don't work for you, you don't want to put in the extra sacrifice for it time and time again. I want to struggle to get the important things in life, but i'm not even allowed to do that sometimes. People make better decisions when they're in better positions to improve their lives.

My favorite collab. Thanks guys!

Great content Dr. K. I’m new to your channel and your conversation with Destiny was very interesting and insightful. Big W to the moderation in the live chat for temporarily banning some of the worst chatters I ever seen in a long time. This is supposed to be a positive and safe space for intelligent discourse.

I was hoping this would happen again and here we are, i love listening to you too

49:09 "as you get older, there really are a lot of things you learn with age" Of course. I'm reminded of the quote from Muhammed Ali, who was quite radical in his youth and then became much more mild and temperate as he got older: "If a man is the same man at age 50 as he was at age 20, he's just wasted 30 years of his life." Nobody should want to stay the same as they get older. It just means you haven't grown at all, and if you aren't growing, what's the point of being alive?

Destiny is amazing. I found him through dr K. I love These interviews I cannot enough of them and I don’t Know why. I have Bipolar depression (recently diagnosed about 2 weeks ago), I’m also diagnosed with MDD (major depressive disorder), anxiety, I also have medication to help me sleep if I’m having trouble. My psychiatrist says I have hallmarks of add/adhd but I haven’t been prescribed with any medication. I’ve known I am hyperactive for years, but I’m scared to ask because I’m not sure I could handle another diagnosis within two months. I have had disorders my whole life and am only now learning to live with it because I’ve just been diagnosed at 38. I hope my family is trying to understand it too but I’m not sure. Thanks for the content Dr K

I’m only a couple minutes in but since May is mental health awareness month I wanted to bring attention to the upcoming World Narcissistic Abuse Day. It’s a global event that takes place annually on June 1. Could you maybe offer your time to address this complex subject, please?

The last hour is fantastic and really interesting topics I haven't considered

I think the natural way for a human to experience emotions is as objective features of the world. Its only since the advent of language and categorizing these feelings that we are able to separate them from our experience of reality. For example, I used to consider myself to be a person who didn't feel jealousy. Its only fairly recently that I noticed that I actually do feel jealousy however the way I would have previously conceptualized this feeling was like "I'm not jealous... their just really annoying". I think that this is the way in which people who are unaware of there emotions experience emotional states.

Loved this and other Dr K & Destiny convo's. I really appreciate Destiny's approach.

Dr K is gonna show up on Chris Williamson's podcast soon? That's so hype

From age 11 I went from my grandmother's to my mother's. And at my mother's I learned how to get away with literally everything. My poor mom was an alcoholic so no boundaries.. Today at 61 I'm still like that. Aimless. I've spent a lot of time focusing on changing that, then got diagnosed w adhd.. Like three months ago😂 listening to Dr k has really helped me more than all the therapists I've ever seen and still see. Light at the end of the tunnel.😂 I've spent my whole life getting away with it all..or so I wrongly thought. Now the price is high because I've not worked towards the age I am now. No savings. No security. Instant gratification with everything but that's a hell of a lot harder than setting a goal and actually working towards it.

Damn this was fire from start to finish I'm not even joking, 3 hours of complete engagement holy hell

I love talks like these because I used to think Destiny and I were very different on our view points, the more I watch or listen to people I used to disagree with and not understand the more I learn we are not so different afterall. Life should not be an echo chamber and we all have something to learn from somebody. People are multi-faceted, no one person can be right or wrong, its important we take all the bits from each other and learn.

Destiny at 15:37

Its kinda funny how all of the "positive community" messaging goes down the toilet once some of the people in this community see someone that disagrees with them politically.

jesus i was looking forward to this one but its a long ass video :D thanks for both of your time and effort and that we can watch these videos for free! :)

What an awesome conversation. Loved this whole thing.

Adults with memory loss are twice as more likely to kill themselves than their counterparts. This is how we lost our beautiful Robin Williams. Working in an Alzheimer's home, I can attest, they want to die. And its heartbreaking.

Holy shit... I finally understand why I have so much trouble finding motivation. I am 33 now, but when I was 23, I decided to move out from my parents house. The reason? Because I felt like every aspect of my life had been decided for me and for once, I wanted some control, some say, as to what to do. Simplest things like what to wear, what to eat, what to watch, what to play, who to talk to, how to decorate my room, how to cut/ style my hair, what to believe in, how to spend my free time, and as I got older, where to work, and what college to go to, had to be decided by my parents. I felt like my life was being lived for me, and so I packed my shit one day, and left. It was a shock to them ofcourse, because they had no clue I was gonna leave everything they had provided for me, and just figure shit out on my own. They were sad and angry, but they still told me that I was welcome to return if I ever needed to. But I refused. 10 years later, I still have the same job, I work from home, as a leather carver for this boot company. I droped out of college 2 years after I left my parents, and as much as Id like to go back, I struggle so much deciding what to go back for. I live alone, and I usually stay home just carving leather, really only have 1 friend, I have 2 youger brothers that I love so much, and have a girlfriend, that has to put up with me being so antisocial and reclusive, because I really like being alone here in my apartment. But even having their support, I find it very difficult to stay in task, often falling behind with work, and always finding ways to distract myself here. Lately, Ive been really wanting to do more, stepping up my game, from solely carving on leather, to creating my own business, and perhaps make my own leather products. Im also really interested on nutrition, and the way it affects the mind, and lately been looking into the investment world, long term/ day trading and the sorts. But I just dont have the motivation, I dont know where I should start, sometimes I feel like theres a lot of things I want to do, but I become overwhelemed about where to begin, which one i should focus on, and as a 33 year old, I feel like my time is running out. Also, I hate people offering me help whether its monetary, offfering me a job, or telling me I should do this and that, mainly because my whole younger life, I was told what to do. I feel like I need to figure things out on my own, and so, It feels like Im trapped, because I know that if I let people help me, my life could probably improve, but I just dont want to. I have to be capable of figuring things out on my own, or else I feel like Im failing myself and that means that I will always need someone to tell me how to live, and to me, thats fucking pathetic.

Ah, mature conversation is so refreshing

This was such a fantastic philosophical discussion

Destiny has really matured since I was watching him back in 2016

There are a lot of great topics covered in this conversation. I'll have to remember to come back to this video from time-to-time to review and re-digest the discussion. 🌞

I don't know how to socialize anymore. After therapy and meditation, I feel super disconnected from people. Most people want to either socialize at Church/Bar. Both feel empty to me. I feel like I have to pretend to make friends. I'm 32 and all the friends I had in my 20s (bar friends) aren't my "friends" anymore. Idk where or how to meet people. When I randomly meet people too I feel so disconnected. Either attracting people that want/need help and I'm tired of being people's therapists, I want a friend. OR people that care about, what I feel like, are superficial things. So I end up having to be disingenuous/inauthentic. IDK where or how to make friends and it feels like the Simpsons meme of Grandpa. "I used to be cool and part of IT. Now what is cool is weird and scares me. It'll happen to you too"/

It’s called the limbic system. We identify with our worldviews because our worldviews inform what we viscerally believe to be an accurate map of reality, as in how to survive, what to do and what is best, and this shapes our identities, too, it’s all tied together. If someone then questions your worldview, that, by extension, is an attack on your identity and your boundaries in terms of what you believe on a gut level is what you need to do to survive, so it feels like the equivalent of literally being attacked, like by a wild animal, switching on the sympathetic nervous system and going into fight or flight mode. It’s also called cognitive dissonance. Because of our modern ideologies, informed by ideas that are detached from real survival, real perspective, we develop these ill fitting identities. There are tons of other factors involved, of course, but that’s the geist of it.

Kind of sad they didnt get to talk about the mental impact of living as a man with a girls name.

this was such a great conversation. so much information and ideas

1:48:15 Exactly. People have the outcomes of these service (friends on discord, convenience of food delivery apps, etc.) and are still miserable, which should be a testament to these so called “conveniences” being anything but. It all comes down to money and greed though lol.

Destiny's talking so fast I keep checking my playback speed!

I love how they wanted to wrap up and kept talking for over half an hour xD great conversation! Thanks

2:31:46 The exact moment Dr.K thought of the greatest roast of all time

I was never encouraged to cry and actually learned it was best not to cry. From school experiences as well as at home. I can go to the funeral of someone I love dearly and not shed a tear. And it's not a good thing.

1:05:00 this is interesting because the only reason I engage in discussion the vast majority of the time is to learn what I might be missing. The conversation may sound like a debate, but I’m actually most of the time merely trying to figure out how two rational intelligent people could possibly come to two different conclusions if given the same set of facts. For me, it’s never about winning or losing. I don’t remember a single time I’ve ever thought about trying to win in a conversation or debate. It’s also probably why although I sound very obstinate in my beliefs, people are often surprised at how quickly I change them when presented with new information.

I unfortunately don’t have 3 hours to watch all of this. are there some moments people can clue me into to get a grasp of important stuff?

Had to check to make sure I didn't have playback speed sped up at some points when blue hair was talking

Loving this content! One of the best conversations

is dr K partnered with youtube now? i've seen a lot of his recent streams be on youtube

Can't express how much I love this crossover. I'm not even a hard fan of neither of them

Can someone tell me the name of the paper that Dr.K was referencing around @2:35:04 about factors affecting learning in rats

Ive missed the interviews! Keep em coming

I pressed play on this video and completely forgot it was running while I did my work. the “chat” at 9 minutes scared the absolute crap outta me

Always fun to see these two talk.

I think the whole “emotionality is for women” only sells because anger and lust have somehow been re-branded as “not emotions”

I can't stop thinking about Walt busting into Jesse's van, going "why are you BLUE???"

Why do I wanna quit cannabis? The reasons are twofold: 1 - because I want to be able to pass a drug test and 2 - because I'd rather spend the money I spent on weed on Warframe instead.

This is completely unrelated but Dr. K is 40?? First guy Ive seen to reverse age. Wow. I thought he was like 28-30

3 HOUR TALK LETSGOOOOOO! :D love this

I WATCHED 3 Hours of this podcast and don't regret 😂

U gotta talk bout dad issues

I didn't know this was going to be 3 hours of DrK psychologizing Destiny and disproving every single one of his preconceived notions.

Dr K is the best therapist in the universe he really gets me

One thing he didn't mention is most phones by default filter pictures, I had to turn it off on my pixel. Auto smooths and other stuff.

That was a very interesting conversation. These collabs with streamers are always great content

Dr K spoke with Chris Williamson!? Cant find the episode on his pod channel...

OMG DOC HAD NOT HEARD OF THE OVERTON WINDOW!!!!!! I've heard it used SO much in the last 5-10 years, my god, where has be been???

Very useful discussion, thank you for this !

uffff looking forward that trauma deep dive, thanx!!

It would be really cool to have the completely out-of-balance streamers chat with these 2 gents for like an hour or so about their perspective and issues. great and productive conversation

In regards to the comments about political beliefs being less subject to change within parties around the 58:00 ish mark. I think individual people can change beliefs more nimbly, groups of people (especially ones established around believing particular things) almost never can without huge amounts of coordinated effort.

I wish Dr.K could do a breakdown of all of the Destiny hate. People seem to take real offense with his demeanour and hard hitting arguments. I think there is some ego involved where people can't take to hear that they are wrong about things and Destiny might not be the most "careful" person when it comes to that since he doesn't care if you get mad.

I hope with enough exposure to mental health related content, we can all help ourselves and society in accepting that Destiny is a girls name.

I would never have put it together that my teenage romanticized idea of “live for today” was a product of my circumstances. Thanks for the insight.

One Love! Always forward, never ever backward!! ☀️☀️☀️ 💚💛❤️ 🙏🏿🙏🙏🏼

I love how they gave up on the timestamps on moving through time

2:14:35 not asian american, but this is literally why i stopped going to therapy, i made up some bs excuse because to me it was insanely expensive even if it did help me.

It's not that "Men" don't see anger as an emotion, but that emotional is typically used for, well, multiple emotions. When a woman is simply angry all the time, she too is said to have "anger issues". But the emotional angle is used when someone frequently shows a scope of different emotion. If anything, the reason you only hear about men having issues with anger is because that's the ... "society-approved" emotion. But for men who also show a spectrum of emotion, they too are said to be emotional. Source, a guy who's been called emotional many times, both as praise and insult.

does anyone have a link to the study mentioned at 2:34:28?

Destiny has a lot of issues and his biggest problem is he sees life as a debate and only listens to himself but at the same time its like he doesn’t see all his obvious flaws. This guy is one of the most knowledge filled individuals who’s actually very unintelligent.

Love how the comments have nothing to do with the chatters in the stream lol

Just saying I've been wanting this again for so long. I follow Destiny and Dr K and love seeijg these two humble intellectuals interact. So glad yall could have a conversation !!

I love these kinds of videos. So educational.

Great vid! Here for Dr K, but interesting guest

Racialized Trauma @Imara Abeson - not sure if you'll see this. You might be interested in My Grandmother's Hands: Racialized Trauma and the Pathway to Mending our Hearts and Bodies; The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma; Complex PTSD: From Surviving to Thriving; and the work of Gabor Mate.

I think the concept of not being able to admit when youre wrong is very interesting because i have always been able to openly admit fault in arguements. Its even caused mistrust in my relationship because my bf cant believe that i would admit fault. He is like the opposite to me with this. I have to wonder about the the nature v nurture that has caused this, or maybe im just delusional lol

I always enjoy y'all's discussions :)

Need a podcast for this, STAT!

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why is this guy so argumentative. like he just wants to fight everyone!

Hope everyone’s day and or night is based

If I started to do everything I don't want to do, I would be in the exact same place I'm in right now.

learned ALOt from this one, very valuable. thank you.