Tame The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe! [Or Any Loud Clean Guitar Amp With An FX Loop]

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Welcome to the show! Today’s video is about offering some solutions to a real-world issue faced by many people - taming volume in a loud clean amp, but retaining a little bit of feel and dynamics. We’re using the specific example of the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - an extremely popular and great sounding amp… but a goodly number of people have struggled with the somewhat all-or-nothing volume control.
It should also be said, however, that these approaches will work with any loud clean amp that has an effects loop.
I just want to make it clear - Mick here - that nobody is saying the Hot Rod deluxe sounds ‘bad’ or that this is a universal ‘problem’. It is simply to offer some approaches to a different tone and feel if you’re either: a) struggling with that, or b) just fancy trying something a little different.
We also know that the HRD IV (latest version as of July 2023) addresses this issue somewhat. Nevertheless, it’s still bloomin’ loud and attacking for a lot of people.
Would we rather crank it? Yes. Do we think it sounds better much louder? Yes. But this is for the times when that isn’t possible…
Can you mod it? Yes. Are there other ways to do it? Yes. These are just some relatively easy ideas to try.
Finally, you might be confused about the volume you’re hearing in your headphones / monitors, because the quiet sounds are relatively loud too. Ie, you won’t perceive the GIANT volume differences that Dan and I are experiencing in the room. That’s because if we’d kept the recorded levels the same, the quiet sounds would just sound rubbish and relatively inaudible. So in the recording, I make the quiet bits louder so you can hear the tone clearly. If you want to understand the relative volume differences, look at the DB meter when it’s in shot. Hope that explains it!
Enjoy the show!
Pedals & stuff used in today’s episode
• Nobel ODR-1
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• Strymon El Capistan V1 - no longer made, links to newest version
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• MXR 10 Band EQ
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• Origin Effects Cali 76 Compact Deluxe
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• Effectrode Blackbird
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• TheGigRig Underliner
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• Palmer PDI06 Attenuator
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Interesting bits & go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
2:30 Today’s task
3:35 The problem explained
5:30 The problem demo’d
7:35 Transient response?
8:37 Limit with an overdrive pedal
11:20 Limit with an EQ pedal
14:30 EQ & compressor in FX loop explained
16:10 EQ & compressor in FX loop demo’d
24:45 Separate preamp in the FX loop explained
26:14 Separate preamp in the FX loop demo’d
30:47 TheGigRig Underliner explained
31:45 TheGigRig Underliner demo’d
40:22 Speaker attenuator explained
41:50 Speaker attenuator demo’d
45:17 Closing thoughts and roundup
Guitars used in this video
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 - Mick’s video here: • Gibson Memphis 1958 ES...
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video here: • That Pedal Show - Our ...
Amps in this episode
• Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III - links to latest version
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@BaronsDuju Жыл бұрын

Oh thank you for using the El Cap. I know a lot of us do and it’s nice to hear what you can do with it. :) Also, I’m forever grateful that you guys do this show. Your friendship together, shared interest, entertainment and education you both give.. I’m not sure you could realise how much it means to some of us. The show really does make my world a better place, and I’m sure it does the same for many others too.

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Thank you Clint! Best to you man. :0)

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@johnfrewin7717 Жыл бұрын

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@cleftturnip7774 Жыл бұрын

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@sroelit Жыл бұрын

The Underliner provided the best demonstration of “amps sound better cranked” that I’ve ever heard. Thanks for what you do, gents.

@tompotter7094 Жыл бұрын

Really love this episode for showing a lot of creative ways to solve a very common problem without it being constrained the way a gear demo can be. Mick's comment about this all boiling down to gain staging was very illuminating.

@scottcurry4116 Жыл бұрын

Fun show. I really look forward these every week! It’s my favorite show.

@duplorock752 Жыл бұрын

I own a Blues DeVille 4x10 60W combo amp and I always had this kind of problem, until today. After watching your video, I had an idea to simply intall a Beringer 12AX7 MIC-100 tube preamp in the effects loop of the amp. This fixed the problem without losing tone. The configuration: Guitar -> Pedal Board -> Amp In. Than on the effects loop: Amp loop send (Preamp Out) -> MIC-100 -> Amp loop return (Power Amp In). Than I adjusted the volume knobs and now it sounds gorgeous and controllable. Thanks for the idea. MIC-100 has only Volume In and Volume Out controls, it does not have EQ controls. The valve in the MIC-100 Preamp is a sigle 12AX7. Try this, it works!

@mrwharf2108 Жыл бұрын

As a former owner of a Hotrod DeVille, I always used the drive channel set fairly clean instead of the clean channel as it felt slightly warmer, quieter and more useable.

@vaughnquinlan6722 Жыл бұрын

I do the same thing with my hotrod deluxe. Just sounds and feels better.

@alga1309 Жыл бұрын

Yes that is true. Is warmer and with less bass but that channel does not react the same to pedals than the clean channel

@markmattheviewable Жыл бұрын

I was just looking at one of these at the local guitar gear shelter here, and was considering rescuing it, and seeing this video and reading all the great comments and tips about it have led me to conclude it will indeed be finding its way home to me later today. Thank you very much for making the division of my estate that much more difficult for my family. I may even rescue that D&M Drive they have.

@jeremyhickersonsalem Жыл бұрын

all kinds of great ideas in this -- had no idea the video would provide so many alternatives, thanks again!

@gcvrsa Жыл бұрын

The first thing I would do with a Hot Rod Deluxe IV is swap the first two preamp 12AX7s for 12AY7s, and the phase inverter 12AX7 for a 12AU7. If it's still too loud, stick a volume control in the effects loop, all you need is a passive voltage divider.

@denmar355 Жыл бұрын

Exactly! 👍

@bobbrossify Жыл бұрын

This is what I did as well. Think there’s an old Phil McKnight video on it. It really tames that amp and spreads the volume across the vol lot better as well. I think the George benson comes with these tubes in stock.

@alga1309 Жыл бұрын

Too overkill. That way the quietest drummer will drown all your sound

@madscientistdave 10 ай бұрын

I find that a 12AT7 in the phase inverter (V3) solved the clean headroom problem for me. I don't much care for the drive channel so I use a StewMac EC Expander pedal into their Ghost Drive Klon clone for distortion and I never have to take it over 4 on the clean channel. It's an extremely bright amp so I have a Boss EQ7 pedal at the end of the signal chain to tame the midst. And instead of my regular guitar mics I use a LD condenser mic to record (doesn't work well on stage though).

@alga1309 10 ай бұрын

@@madscientistdave have you tried changing the Mid cap (C6) from .022 uF to .015 uF?

@tonyz4292 Жыл бұрын

Didn’t quite finish the episode yet but one thing that comes to mind on this one is how I feel like your guys are explaining things that I’ve been subconsciously trying to achieve for years

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Hoooray! That is our hope!

@rupertradar7424 Жыл бұрын

Love you guys. Thank you for taking the time to point out some not so obvious and needed to be clarified facts along the way.

@mattgilbert7347 Жыл бұрын

" taming volume in a loud clean amp, but retaining a little bit of feel and dynamics." Never clicked so fast on a TPS upload, or any other upload for that matter! This is perhaps the #1 problem I have to deal with as a hobbyist guitarist. I don't use a HRD but I do have a couple of fairly loud clean amps. Thank you Dan & Mick. Legends, you are.

@mattgilbert7347 Жыл бұрын

I often use the separate preamp into FX loop return and it's a great way to go.

@CamerenCollierMusic Жыл бұрын

I've had my Hot Rod Deluxe for like 8 years now! I put a passive attenuator in the FX Loop and it's been a dream ever since

@fionnjapan Жыл бұрын

Same here. Works perfectly

@ianglencross Жыл бұрын

Me too. Mine has a -24dB to -6dB Range and i have my HR volume at 4 and everything is great. I use -24dB for home, and -6dB for gigs, all other settings stay the same

@hangtite87 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting and eye opening show today fellas. Thank you!

@patrickkem689 11 ай бұрын

Great show guys. Really enjoyed your perception of the use of the FX loop using rack gear for so long the refresher truly helped. Thanks and Cheers!

@timothy5974 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video guys, I have a Classic 30 and have been trying the EQ in the loop and your compression adds more to the sound. Enjoy the channel. Side note, I found myself trying Micks eye glass trick while watching. 😂🤓❤️

@rickbailey7450 Жыл бұрын

Great stuff. Gives me fresh ideas for taming volume while shaping tone.

@capriccioespagnole778 11 ай бұрын

This was the most useful and enlightening episode about music instruments ever for me. I first got a pre/power attenuator but never got the tones I knew were in the amp. Just now I went out and got a 10 band MXR and put it in the pre out/ power in output/inputs on my 410 65w Hot Rod deluxe from 2004 (or so). I now have a fabulous tone machine that makes all of my guitars - whoever the manufacturer - sound exponentially better (ie order of magnitude, power of 10, etc.). Thank you thank you thank you!

@CheesePlow Жыл бұрын

As a Hot Rod Deluxe owner for years, I've always struggled with this. Recently settled on putting a JHS Little Black Amp Box in the effect loop. I also changed one of the pre-amp tubes, but I may put the original back. Awesome to see and hear all of these options, and to have you guys go into so much depth! Appreciate the vid! :D

@cheeseboy075 Жыл бұрын

you should put the originals tubes back and get an eq pedal, i also have a hot rod and using my volume knobs on my od and fuzz plus my eq and jhs amp box i can use the amp comfortably at like 4-6 and when i wanna push it i can go up to 10 but i do sacrifice not having my actual tone because at that point im just gain staging all the pedals for max volume which is a nice sound ( this is the tone most people reach for ) but i actually feel like if you avoid simply gain staging for volume and you let the pedals show their colors more you get more unique tones also a huge tip on overdrive and especially distortion, if you have a good clean base, you dont need to dirty the signal as much as you think if you use the amps natural loudness/gain to power the pedals so that your pedals dont have to go from 2 on the knobs to 8 for you to hear a difference in the tone

@CheesePlow Жыл бұрын

@@cheeseboy075 That's a great tip! Thanks for the reply! I do have an EQ pedal on my board, but I run it in the front of my amp to remove a few harsh frequencies from my admittedly high gain pedals (I love scooping my mids... don't judge me!). I've been thinking about moving it to the effects loop recently though, so I'll probably do that on my next board edit. I'll certainly try cranking the amp though to see what kind of dirty tones I can get. All that said, even with just the JHS amp box, I usually run my amp at 6 or 7 and it's pretty comfortable... albeit with tamer tubes.

@user-qe4rs4gy9i Жыл бұрын

I've heard that You can use a second hand ecc83 that now has a lower power rating in v1- Being between an ecc83 and ecc81

@PlayfulGenie 7 ай бұрын

I put a 5751 in V1 on my blues deluxe, works much better and tames it a lot as it has 70% of the 12ax7 tube@@user-qe4rs4gy9i

@ToddTheJoker Жыл бұрын

Very interesting video guys, I learned a lot today! Thank you!

@JoeCostantini74 Ай бұрын

My dad is in his 80's and told me his amp stopped working, I brought it home figured I'd try some experiments, clean it etc. I plug in my Randall 4x12 Cab completely caught off guard, OMG the volume is tremendous. That Randall I own is a 120 Watt and made to Chug Metal and this little Fender with the Sovtek groove tubes blows it out of the water in sheer volume. My Dad doesn't have an amp problem he just pluged his speaker into the wrong jack, lol. Now I don't want to give back his Amp (I will but I don't want to), I could totally Gig with this amp and just bring my pedal board for the gain and tones I need.

@henninghesse9910 Жыл бұрын

This is so informitiv, thanks a lot guys I learned a lot.

@giorgiogia8550 Жыл бұрын

Thanks guys and greetings from Greece. I have a HRD IV and do exactly these things with pedals to tame it. This amp is fantastic!!!

@buzzcrumhunger7114 Жыл бұрын

“Noel’s Knobs” is absolutely my most favorite new thing you have come up with in a while😂

@joshuajakubowski8710 8 ай бұрын

Man you guys are helpful. Thank you for this episode

@limpeacock573 Жыл бұрын

Great show guys. Lots to chew on here. Thank you.

@Adventuresingearland Жыл бұрын

Lovely stuff, gents. Thanks for this - lots of strategies to explore. 👍

@fredberthold1696 Жыл бұрын

Hey Dan and mick Fred here from Brooklyn NY I love the show and keep up the gd work. I learned so much about dialing in tones and the use of gain and less gain to get a great tone. Right on guys awesome.

@andreadiciancia667 2 ай бұрын

the fx loop return tip was a life saver! thanks!

@taftertwenty Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video, and thank you, as always, for all of the thorough work you put into this! I've always used an attenuator with my AC30-esque amp for home volume and have been consistently underwhelmed. I'll often use the overdrive-as-limiter approach, but feel that I lose a lot of the character of the amp itself. Just tried a 10-band eq in the FX loop, followed by a compressor with a touch of dry signal blended in, and I love it. I never would have thought to do so prior to the experimentation you gents are kind enough to share with all of us. Thank you again!

@ikbogle Жыл бұрын

Great show lads! Very practical and informative. There was one other method which I’ve used on fender amps to tame volume jump; You zero all the channel eq, boost the volume up and then bring up the eq knobs to taste to kind of fine tune the volume while also sculpting the tone. Have a great weekend 🤘🏻

@tdguitar Жыл бұрын

DIY fx loop attennuator is really easy to build. Cut a patch cable i two. Both ground cables on pole 3. Tip 1 on pole 1, tip 2 on pole 2 on a 100k pot. The amp start to hit the compression between 3 and 4 on the input volume. (There are drawings on this if you seach the net) Another hack is to change the 6L6 tubes with 6V6 tubes. 6V6 has less output. (Not possible from 6v6 to 6L6)

@brysimm404 Жыл бұрын

“Underdrive” - very clever! I’ve known about using my EQ pedal as a clean boost, but hadn’t thought of it also being able to do the opposite with a more dynamic amp. Extra thanks for including info about the effects loop (still a bit confusing for some of us). Great topic, gents 😃 👍

@jamesgarcia7252 Жыл бұрын

Great show guys! Always is! I've learned a few interesting things, and now I'm interested in purchasing the GigRig Underliner in the near future. Thank you!

@imdhomedesign3524 Жыл бұрын

My favorite option while retaining the natural tone of the amp was the speaker attenuator. The other options sounded fantastic but also added their own thing. Attenuation felt purest, great video!

@jimmymarchisotto8152 Жыл бұрын

Underdrive!! That's brilliant!! Love this show I've learned so much from you two!! Both gentleman are knowledgeable and likeable and your playing is awesome everyone should buy your merch for ALL the stuff you teach us!!

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Cheers Jimmy, you’re most welcome 🙏

@RedRiversGuitarJam Жыл бұрын

I have similar troubles with my little Vox practice amp. Will definitely try this out. Essential channel, keep up the excellent work guys!

@dannysheffield2531 Жыл бұрын

The back door attenuator. Nice. Never thought about it that way. Excellent work.

@dmac-333 Жыл бұрын

Great show boys. And Dan sneaking in a bit of Mondo Rock there 🙌

@garethjt Жыл бұрын

I’ve had a 60watt 2x12 Deville since ‘06 that I’ve always struggled with due to the volume. This episode has offered some really good tips I’ll be trying out for sure! Thanks guys 👍🏻

@destroso Жыл бұрын

Wampler has a great episode on how to build a pedal to act as a master volume and another on how to use the eq on the deville from way back, helped me a ton

@richardhowell9535 9 ай бұрын

I have a '96 Deville. I just ordered a EQ. Thank you guys so much for this.

@dmac3316 Жыл бұрын

Thanks guys, very helpful!!

@rob9340 Жыл бұрын

Really interesting. I had a Laney VC15 watt amp that had the same issue, it was unplayable for my circumstances. Anything above 1.5 on the volume was too loud, but also sounded rubbish. I now have a modern Vox AC10 and I can play it at full volume (it is loud but, but struggles over a drummer) and I have never been happier with the dynamics of an amp. I am considering buying another and running them together. Love your channel! I always learn so much.

@shanelofton5857 Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you guys did a show on this. I've been using a JHS Black Box (FX loop attenuator) in my Blues Deluxe Reissue's FX loop for years so I can get a little overdrive from the amp, and it sounds fantastic.

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Great way to do it!

@ramonmoral2865 Жыл бұрын

He nailed it. Use the Little Black Box. Hence, giving the Fender a Mesa like control.

@craigpimlott204 Жыл бұрын

They take about ten minutes to make your own JHS black box..there’s a few videos on here on how to make one ..👍👍

@thejacobean Жыл бұрын

Spectacular video! Scratched some deep itches. I've fought this for years, currently fighting it again. I made a passive "master" volume control for the effects loop. Simple solution with decent results. I've also played with a "underdrive" solution like yours. Got that idea from the Marcus King rig rundown in 2017 where he runs a Super Reverb really hot with a TS9 sitting on his amp ahead of the input to cut the guitar volume. Love TPS, guys. Strong work.

@edhenninger7823 Жыл бұрын

I just got an Audio Source Programmable EQ2 and I've had some time to experiment with it taming a Pro Reverb set to 8 on the volume. Suhweet! It really does the trick! I bought the pedal in anticipation of soon getting a 5e3 (loud!) amp. And thanks to your suggestions - especially focused on using the Overdrive and the EQ - I'm confident I'm ready to tame the 5e3. Thanks to you both! I think I'll be visiting your merch shop soon as another way of saying "Thank you."

@user-km6fx5od2v Жыл бұрын

So much great information in this video. Thanks D+M

@rolfheesel7669 Жыл бұрын

Trank you for those usefull inspirations!!! Greetings from Germany!!😊🙋🏼‍♂️

@joshscott3271 Жыл бұрын

Great show guys, winning!!!

@stevenhorton7457 Жыл бұрын

Great episode guys 👍

@anthonyalfredyorke1621 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Leg Ends, Another great informative fun show. Learnt a lot and a great way to spend an hour in my warm bed while it lashed down outside. PEACE and LOVE to EVERYONE.

@colaboytje Жыл бұрын

I managed to listen to this video with the sound of my speakers turned way down, only using my right ear (because of my sudden hearing loss that I mentioned in the comments in the previous video). I want to congratulate Dan with the Underliner. This might be the solution for me to still play guitar. It sounds like the amp, while most attenuators do change the sound (like my Two-Notes Torpedo). Thanks Dan.

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, but so sorry to learn of your hearing loss. Hoping things get better for you soon 🤓🙏

@headlandfestival3237 Жыл бұрын

Excellent choice

@bigwavedave8492 Жыл бұрын

Great show!!!! Tried a couple of these methods with my marshall origin 50 and my hiwatt heads .It's just so nice to know why it works and how. Cheers boys

@PlayfulGenie 7 ай бұрын

Here's a funny story about a Blues Deluxe amp (at least it's funny to me). I was a gigging musician using this amp in clubs mostly on 2.5 volume for years. We got hired to headline a motorcycle club open air gig in the middle of summer 2009 and as we approached the venue, I was thrilled when I saw that the club rented out a massive line array PA that was just used in a stadium concert I was at a month prior. So long story short, my first though was - oh I will finally get to play my amp at a decent volume setting. So the tone rehearsal started as it usually does about 2-3 hours before the crowd showed up, and I put the amp on 4.5 volume. After about a minute in I heard the sound guy through the wedges... You can guess already? "Turn down the guitar amp, the stage volume is too high". It was as if he ripped my heart out. I ended up on 2.5 just like in small clubs lol. That's a Deluxe amp without an attenuator for ya.

@HellcatsUnited Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video, i have a Hot Rod deluxe IV and all these advices are very useful, best regards from Mexico 🇲🇽

@MACKHAWKSS Жыл бұрын

micks initial face at the db meter 😂 *also fantastic playing intro. cheers from nashville !

@jamesfafrak7288 11 ай бұрын

Just want to say thank you for all the amazing videos over the years. You guys have made me more knowledgeable in both guitar amps and pedals. Which is great because I live in a small town in New Mexico USA and the nearest music store is 4 hours away lol. So thank you guys both for the hard work that you do I’ll be sure to purchase something from your site in the future to help you guys out as well as you’ve helped me out. Cheers.

@ThatPedalShow 11 ай бұрын

Ah, cheers James, you’re most welcome 🙏

@jamesfafrak7288 11 ай бұрын

@@ThatPedalShow no problem at all keep up the great work.

@BicycleJoeTomasello 7 ай бұрын

I feel ya, I used to live in Alamogordo, and then I moved to the East Coast to Lake Placid. I solved that problem though, I bought a Voodoo amp switcher, using a Marshall 50 watt, a Vox style TopHat supreme 16 W and a Fender vibra champ 6 w , one at a time 2 @ time or all three .

@jamesfafrak7288 7 ай бұрын

@@BicycleJoeTomasello awesome we used to live nearby each other I live in Artesia lol. That’s cool I will have to try that out. Thanks for the reply.

@FabrizioCalderara76 Жыл бұрын

I've never tried a comp in the loop. Your video has teached me that it's time to try some experiment with it 😉

@richardpenhardt6100 Жыл бұрын

very helpful, well done

@boogie11188 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much guys for your videos, I've learnt so much about effects and how best to use them from hours in front of my screen. This subject is particularly interesting for me, as the amp I Prefer to use live is a Fender Blues Deluxe, not quite the same as the hotrod, but very similar, and with same issue on volume. I've tried a few things out in the past to try and tame it, without much success. I even tried putting a 12AT7 tube in place of the 12AX7 (1st position preamp valve) and to my ears had no effect on the volume, but changed the tone slightly. So now I will try a few of your ideas out.

@voxpathfinder15r Жыл бұрын

All very cool ideas, vastly easier is to pick up an Orange Crush 12 amplifier and you can get great tones at low volume and plays well with pedals. People may complain about lack of headroom. But it’s perfect for the home when you don’t want to piss off family (it can still piss off family) and it has exceptional bottom end despite its small 6” speaker. Keep the tube amplifiers for gigs and rehearsals. Too much work to get loud tube amplifiers to be quiet in a practice room. And some of these solutions still put mileage on the tubes, like the attenuator.

@hcrockso1 Жыл бұрын

For me still the best solution is to change the first 12AX7 tube to a 12AU7 tube. The volume linearity becomes much more useable and still maintains dynamics.

@denmar355 Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@shckltnebay Жыл бұрын

12AT7?

@josephulman8492 Жыл бұрын

12ay7!

@EshockT Жыл бұрын

Speaker attenuator makes my tubes a bit crackly. Yes, probably an indicator of a different problem but it sounds great without it, so.

@asafgindin5476 Жыл бұрын

in my rehearsal space i swapped the first AX7 to 12AY7 and the third to an 12AT7 amazing change and totally usable also a volume pot in the effects loop help a lot and gives a "master volume"

@JohnDegen_aka_Jeehannes 7 ай бұрын

This video was influential in my decision to buy a second hand Deluxe. Great amp, great video!

@dent2313 Жыл бұрын

A good friend of mine, and a professional guitar player in Nashville, used this amp. It was always on the drive channel. The drive channel was on 11 and the rest of the amp was adjusted for a clean sound. Played through it many times and was never disappointed.

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Great way to do it!

@TheDrunkenScoundrel Жыл бұрын

That MXY EQ is one of the most genius pieces of kit almost any guitar player could afford> Putting that gain control on their was a chef's kiss thing to do...and I barely have hd the opportunity to really play wit mine.

@Gearseller2009 Жыл бұрын

Nice episode. I have a 60 watt Deville and use a volume pot in the effects loop to act as a master volume on the clean channel. Works well for me.

@jcugnoni Жыл бұрын

Great video with a lot of the usefull tips. To me the discovery of the show is the Cali76. Also the preamp on 10 with the fxloop attenuator sounds so great !!

@laustenfound Жыл бұрын

Once I put the JHS little black box through the loop, being able to push the tubes and get less poke. More tube activation. It changed my whole sound. Number 1 recommendation I tell anyone with this amp.

@stephenmeeker7044 Жыл бұрын

The jhs box is cool, there's another called the Doc Watson Lion Tamer that plugs directly in to the effects loop, no cables required. I prefer that because it can live in the amp all the time

@happihockey8601 Жыл бұрын

A good EQ pedal is a must on my board, helps with so many things, compensating for different pick ups in guitars so my tone is consistent without having to adjust "Noel's knobs" , the way D & M show it here, using EQ to adjust the character of a backline amp, adjust your overall sound to compensate for a bad room. EQ is just a Swiss Arrmy knife of pedals, even can be used as a boost or drive depending on the brand EQ you have. I like Boss and MXR EQ pedals, sturdy, feature rich and affordable. Tried Compressors and Attenuation but could never get the sounds I wanted with those. D & M are great because they always show us there is more than one solution to our tone problems, no judgement on which is "better", just here are your options, go pick your favorite and apply it.

@shanebrbich5698 Жыл бұрын

I’ve owned my series 1 Hot Rod Deluxe since brand new. Bought it when they first hit Perth WA and virtually lived under a rock with it and thought “that’s what this amp is supposed to be”. Until I started to watch a few videos about these gems I didn’t realise that this is an inherent problem. Anyhoo, could never find another amp that I liked. The Carr Superbee would be the choice however $$$. Great video gents! 👍🇦🇺

@HaarmodeQuinkertz Жыл бұрын

Fantastic Video! This is excactly the problem i have with my HRDX .

@GuitarTonePro Жыл бұрын

Nobels, the first pedal where all knobs aren't at 1 o'clock. Great episode guys!

@DRChevalier Жыл бұрын

Thanks gentlemen. How fitting for me. I use a pair of Hot Rod Deluxe Mk IV amps for wet and a reissue 59 Bassman for dry in my TPS design wet/dry/wet rig. I want to keep the HRD4s clean but don’t want them to be overpoweringly loud or turned down so much that they are tinny. Much thought and experimentation to come. Thanks so much and my best to you both as always

@jeremyhickersonsalem Жыл бұрын

dang, how did I never think of running the overdrive into a volume-lowered eq pedal? Such an obvious idea, and works great, as you demonstrate. Thank you!

@gbarge4 Жыл бұрын

Such an interesting show. The observation about why loud can sound so spiky and lacking in sustain through loud, high headroom amps hits it on the head. My own favorite amp tone is the Magnatone Twilighter stereo, which is two complete amps in one cab, has no effects loop and stays just a wee bit over 2 on the volume as a daily level. It sounds so glorious and I rarely use anything more than a Cali76 with it. Sometimes a Jester. And ARDX20. I just love that amp. But I treat it with respect, much like a lion which is said to be domesticated. Keep an eye on it. Don't do something silly, like hitting it with boost. Start any new pedal at low output and sneak up toward unity. I've learned the harsh way.

@lars-eriklarsson85 Жыл бұрын

Ty for a great show. Love those episods when we can share cheats to better tone without have to spend a million dollar. Amazing guitarplaying as always.

@256k_ Жыл бұрын

I have a hotrod deluxe and this video is going to be perfect!

@Simulera 7 ай бұрын

Put a simple potentiometer knob (or a Dunlop volume pedal, which is just a potentiometer) alone in the effects loop or last in the effects loop. Push the amp volume and master to high levels, even 7 or 8. But now you control sound level in the room with the potentiometer while maintaining the pushed tone. The tone is the great pushed fender tube amp tone but the sound level in the room is as quiet as you want. I did this after nearly getting rid of the amp in frustration. Now it sounds good and is easy and quiet as necessary. You can do all that other eq, pedals, and compressor, stuff upstream of the potentiometer if you need specific sounds. This really does work. I am now only using a Boss CP1X compressor and Blues Driver pedal upstream of the potentiometer volume knob in the effects loop. Its really has a lot of sonic and tone range in this really simple way. The way a. CP1X works is subtle and is an entire story all alone, I wont go there.

@dwaynejessome1728 Жыл бұрын

This was a really important show!

@lostingear 11 ай бұрын

First real amp I ever bought, and my apartment building hated me. Thanks for doing this!

@mikes062 Жыл бұрын

I had a U.S.A. made one years ago, was a nice amp but not for me. I think the funny thing with this amp is it’s 40 watts, that’s pretty loud, it’s not a bedroom amp, that’s for small gigs for sure. There are other options for a similar sound if that’s what you’re going for, my buddy has a blues junior and while it’s el84s instead of 6L6s they’re still very similar in tone. I went to lower wattage amps, my biggest is my vox night train head and I love it! Sounds great with my tele and LP and pretty much anything I’ve run into it! My other is a Fender Vibro Champ XD and it’s great too! Now if only the small Marshall heads weren’t as much as they are I’d have that too! I’d rather just mic it when I need more.

@michaelanastasi9969 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! This is the only amp I have owned, this really helps me understand it as I never was able to use it at home, and thought the way it sounds was something to do with my guitar or the way I played. Until recently I did not own any pedals and have practiced most of the time without plugging in. I just got a tone master pro in an attempt to play more through headphones as I had given up using this amp at home.

@michaelanastasi9969 7 ай бұрын

I'm just remembering that I used to have a Hughes and Kettner Tube Factor which worked well via input 2, which is no longer made.

@chriswallace9387 21 күн бұрын

Nice take on what can be done to make this amp “bedroom friendly” and customizable. Love the hot rod… it’s a fender standard on its own. It’s a sweet gigger for sure. Last thing always: find your sound that works for you and the band; have a blast!

@michael_caz_nyc Жыл бұрын

Great episode . . . (and this) is Why, I Love my 65 Fender Princeton Reverb = perfect for the gigs I do.

@blakevanhouten1672 Жыл бұрын

This is a perfect example of what I always say. Nice, high end gear (yes I know that’s relative to everyone) is not necessary to get good sounds. What nice high end gear really does is save time and gets you to what you want to hear immediately.

@fernfernacelli 11 ай бұрын

I love having a volume and/or EQ pedal in the effects loop (along with a compressor, but with really mild settings), and use the *volume/EQ* after the preamp for the master volume. I like to let the preamp live in its ‘character’ territory (3-5, depending on the amp) while maintaining ‘bedroom’ levels. Thanks, as always, for the sage advise and brilliant playing. Cheers! 😊

@DanDanTheGuitarMan Жыл бұрын

I had a Bad Cat attenuator when I had my Fender Bandmaster. Absolutely loved having it, let me tame the power of the bandmaster to get some wicked overdrive! Always kept the volume up but definitely made it bearable.

@stustustu Жыл бұрын

I know you guys like to be ultra modest about GigRig stuff in the name of objectivity (which is admirable!), but I'm super excited to see the Underliner in context!

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks Stu 🤓🙏

@RDC_2424 10 ай бұрын

Great video so helpful thanks guys. I’m a novice to the insides of an amp and have changed to the AY7 the pre amp input 1. For the first time ever I’ve got past volume 2 at home. That’s a start. Haven’t gigged it yet but very confident there’s enough there. Agree that out of the box the pre installed tube just sounds too harsh and too loud too quickly.

@reidhowland Жыл бұрын

Mick, you're dragging some nigh-Dave Edmunds-y rubber-band tones outta the thing with the 335 and the compressor. Very cool!

@retronartz1268 Жыл бұрын

I've used devilles for 20 years now and love them. Especially the very underrated drive channel (which I know some of you probably cringe at). My main amps now are a combination of a Magnatone Stereo Twilighter and JC-120 but man do I miss how simple the Deville was.

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Not at all - we like the drive channel!

@aroostookbarbell5549 Жыл бұрын

While it may be obvious to many, this answers the question I’ve had about how to attenuate my little 5F1 with no effects loop. Just use a pedal! Thank you!

@G.TinyShark Жыл бұрын

Mick and Dan, taking it in the ear so we don’t have to. Forever our saviours.

@nickcabrera3982 Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Amp of the century. Converted mine to a 2x10.

@samcoley7284 Жыл бұрын

I don’t watch TPS for normal budget content but it’s bloody brilliant when it comes along! (as a normal budget player!)

@stanmuso1 Жыл бұрын

Great video lads.. I’ve a mk2 model. Got it really cheap. I put a Creamback 75 speaker in and a tech sorted the volume pot to taper properly through the range. 5 is now where 2 was.

@ThatPedalShow Жыл бұрын

Nice!

@rodolpheponthus2948 2 ай бұрын

I just bought a Hot Rod Deluxe IV. The clean channel sounds REALLY nice. 2 things you can do to start with. * First plug in Input 2 (- 6db). * Second start with all the controls (Treble, Bass, Middle and Presence) at 0. Then slowly get them to suit the tone you like. I find the Hot Rod Deluxe sounds the best with all the tone controls at around 3 with Presence at 2 , and Bright Switch engaged. The Volume knob on the IV can be set to whisper volume if you tweak it delicately. It works even better with the 2 tips above. If you add OD pedals with a volume control like they explain in the beginning, it works even easier The advantage of this amp is it can sound big at low volumes, because of the cab, big transformers and 6L6 tubes. And you can go from bedroom to big venues, and everything in between. To me it's the best amp Fender makes for the money It's a fabulous pedal platform. And who attains real distortion from tube amps anyway, in any situation, these days , should it be 10 or 40 watts ? In the old days, there weren't any OD pedals. Today a good pedal sounds better than a dimed Fender

@gordonrankin3995 Жыл бұрын

Love the Monty Python reference! Went to Scotland in 2016 saw all the castles they used in the movie. England would not let MP film in any castle there. I have modified a couple of Fender and Vox amps to lower the volume level. Great show, thanks so much!