Imagine the time he has on his hands to do all this and more.

20 000 dimming zones sounds insane

Yeah they are ahead in China for sure, TCL had equivalent models for these X955 out in China for a while, as well as a smaller model (75'') with 3000 nits and 3000+ zones.

@@documentthedrama8279 But what's even crazier is the price. A mass-produced large TV and actually sells for much less than the MSRP. The practical equivalent of paying twice the price of the Chinese version 98X955 to get a 17" larger picture and four times the local dimming zone, along with actually higher peak brightness (7000nit peak short-term & 5000nit in larger window).

@@Izquierda Unfortunately TCL didn't bring it to the US/EU markets. It was a bad decision.

@@changeCMOS8484 It wasn't a bad decision as TCL still doesn't have the brand recognition in EU and US to sell top tier TVs while breaking even let alone be profitable

TCL is a poor mans version of a rich mans 98" tv with 5,000 nits..... yet there is no rich mans 5,000 nit TV. So TCL is the rich mans version of a 5,000 nit tv.... GO TCL.

TCL had been killing it for years, I have two of their tv's from 5-3 years ago and they're still working great, looking great. I will upgrade soon though because I usually do after 5-6 years or so with my TV's. Great company in all honesty.

You only get to enjoy that experience once though 🦯🕶️

Step outside your house. Do your eyes get blown off your face? People who sit in pitch black caves with their OLED TVs set to 100 nits brightness aren't doing their eyes any favors. Ironically, having a full brightness range HDR display like this TV will be better for your eyes than your weak OLED setup. It's a more natural handling of light than your mole man cave setup. People who reviewed super bright HDR monitors agreed on this finding anecdotally, saying it felt more comfortable on their eyes than sub 300 nit displays in the dark.

​@@darkl3ad3rNow we just need OLEDS to get up to 5000 nits and we get the best of both worlds

​@@darkl3ad3rwhat a load of bs 😂

​@@MasterMark5Never happening. One of the reasons OLED aren't bright is because they are organic material that degrades. Samsung pushed up the brightness of OLED to 1000 Nits and they are more susceptible to burn in and will degrade quicker than other OLEDs. Micro LED (Not Mini LED) is the best of both worlds. Micro LED is all the benefits of OLED and LED combined.

I just purchased it 2 days ago (arriving next week) and now I think maybe I did wrong for not waiting?

Good point, that's why prob panels and 4k movies are calibrated for 4000 max.

The heat is not the only problem, the emitter degrades over time no matter how much you cool the panel. OLED just can't do full scene brightness at reasonable power dissipation and degradation. They have been working very hard and this is still the best they can do.

Granted Sony has an extremely good algorithm but you can only get so far with software until you hit the hardware’s physical limitation. On the other hand bad algorithm can be patched via software update

@@AkasagiPhan If the internal hardware can even support a more advanced algorithm. I'm a fan of TCL entry level TVs, they can be tweaked to look quite good. IMHO they fall short compared to the mainstream brands at the high end. TCL will force all makers to get cheaper and better, that's the important thing.

Panasonic didn't even have FALD for like 7 years

@mateuszptaszynski5377 not for the US, but their international offerings are top notch.

@@Supperconductor I think TCL’s mid-range to high-end TVs have good enough processors. For entry-level TVs, tbh you can’t expect much from entry level TVs from any brand. Anyway my point is that Sony is selling TVs that have less than 500 local dimming zone for a mid-range price and they try to make up for it using algorithm. But in the end the zone count is still less than 500 and if other TVs in the same price range with higher zone count manage to improve their algorithm via software update then less zone count becomes a disadvantage that cannot be fixed because it is a physical limitation

Yea its because our iris restricts the amount of light that enters our eyes. When you blast them with more light they just respond by letting less light in. Which is why a super bright TV for indoor use seems pretty pointless. As your eyes will simply reduce the brightness of the picture for you. Or if there is a rapid transition from a dark scene to a bright scene and they don't have time to adjust, its just gonna hurt like crap.

This is because of contrast. Vincent measured an object outside to be 3000nits, compared to the another object which was like 500nit. That’s a contrast ratio of a mere 6:1. Of course the eyes will not strain from that. Looking at your OLED with plain old SDR at the reference 120nits in a relatively dark room will strain your eyes much more…because of contrast. HDR will be impactful not because of peak brightness alone but because of contrast. Vincent sort of touches on it but this ”boring” fact doesn’t help sell new TVs….

TCL is popular in Europe

@@guguigugu that’s was going to be my next question or googling.

@@guguigugu not in holland i know only one store where they sell it here

There is a world outside of USA. Or do you still think America is 99% of it?

@@epicsaves5644 and this is what you took from that? Typical comment from you. Keep up the great work.

5000 nits for hdr, not sdr full field.

yeah, no way I'll be watching any TV at 5000 nits inside -- even for HDR, it's too bright. This is a pointless number -- better contrast is what's important at some point (before hitting 5000 nits I think).

Plus their dimming algorithm sucks

Sony's upscaling is pretty overrated. Soft material doesn't look sharp and crisp like other comments will say.

If you have to upscale, then you are watching content that isn't meant to look great. Also, I have owned many many many TVs and I don't see a difference in stutter in any of them. Maybe I'm not sensitive to it, but it's a non factor to me. Now if the quality control and the backlight control suck, that is a different story.

@@ThePipojp Not true on the QM8 or Q7

Stutter...?

I think if TV manufacturers make 5,000 nit TVs and you can't control the brightness with a light sensor or brightness volume control, 99.9999% of owners would be very unhappy with that TV. I was watching yesterday a review of how the light sensor on the QN90b reduces the brightness to 200 nits where it should control it based on ambient light and go from 200-1,000 nits depending on your indoor light. Watching 1,000 nits in the dark or twilight or on a cloudy day is a joke. It turns your QN90b or G3 into the crappiest, most unenjoyable TV of all time as you scramble to balance the light. This is why I don't understand why reviewers don't use the light sensor and don't review them to force manufacturers to make sure that we can enjoy our TV to the maximum. The TV should adapt its picture to the environment to maintain brightness balance and accuracy at all times.

@@techsamurai11 What in gods name are you talking about mate!? A light sensor just makes a already not bright enough Tv even dimmer by measuring ambient light and only benefit is to save bit energy! But why should i use it when my Tv's barely max 800nits is just SO not enough already for a good HDR impact EVEN in a pitch black room! That light sensor can't make it brighter! So what in bushidos name do you mean!? Do i miss understand something!?

​@@techsamurai11Imagine letting your TV decide the brightness for you... 😂

@@techsamurai11I'm 100% sure you haven't experienced 1000nits yet. I have a calman calibrated samsung s95b which reaches 940nits at it's most color accurate picture profile and even more if i set it to dynamic (that profile wasn't calibrated) It's absolutely blinding watching a hdr movie on that. I can't even imagine watching a 4000 nits screen. Thats crazy

@@SAIIIURAI That's not how it works. Sounds to me like your TV is crushing blacks in HDR and it has a low APL. If I leave my TV in full brightness, it's uncomfortable.

Gas heating is down? No problem 😀 My trusty Panasonic st60 plasma is like a radiator so I know what u mean 😀

I think you can qualify for an energy tax credit in the cold, Nordic countries... 🤔🤣

Get a plasma

OLED demise sounds more plausible to me. OLED is basically modern day plasma - as soon as a marginally more decent solution is adopted, OLED is heading for the bin.

the only thing that is OLED level is OLED! lol

@@michael-4k4000 Except there's micro-LED, self-emissive quantum dots and laser retinal projectors. Granted, only micro-LED is currently available to the general public (at a cost of a sports car), but so was the case with OLED just a few years ago too.

@@getsideways7257 Can't wait to see how fast OLED dies out when Micro-LED hits the consumer market but as things are going right now Mini-LED may do the job before Micro-LEDs are out for real lol

Yes.

I hope they put sARC back on an HDMI 2.1 port instead of a 2.0 port Like the QM8 has. My 98R754 (eARC on 2.1) is working great with my receiver

when you put it like that, it does highlight how inferior local dimming is to OLED. My 85 inch qm8 would be ~64 x 36 (2304) zones, which comes to just over an inch per zone...which is actually not bad now that I think of it.

@@blackcaesar8387 What's impressive is how good the TV's look with the current low dimming resolution. That's why I think 720p would be tops of what you'd need for the backlight.

For what it's worth, the zones are often not square, so it could also easily be 81*64 or even 72*72.

@@hellterminator They are square I tell you! They are square!!!!! 😭

well for comparison, a 720p dimming zone setup would be 921,000 dimming zones.

It'll be nice toseeifwegwtthem here down under in Australia, I'll be in the hunt for a 85inch

Fun fact: little of that 20k nits actually reaches the viewer's eyeballs, whereas all of the 5,000 nit goodness of the TCL TV does.

​@@JonPaisfun fact: when walking outside on a sunny day more than 20K nits hits your eyes from light colored concrete. The glint of the sun off a black colored car could be a million nits. Brightness is relative to what's around you, a theater screen is on average less than 150 nits over the course of an average film.

@@Wobbothe3rd The brightness of a traditional movie theater maxes out at 48 nits, average picture level is less than half that give or take.

@@JonPais No it was real 20k nits peak to eyeballs. They literally used high beams from a car starting at way higher than 20k nits, and blasted it through the optics and LCD layers and the peak brightness coming through was 20k.

They are also very happy to now be accompanied by a labrador, I reckon 😂

I think Vincent might know a little more, just a hunch

He's pretty much reciting TCL's presentation while inserting his thoughts but isn't giving anything away until he gets his hands on it and reviews. We'll have to wait and see how well they've implemented their control.

Actually, as you increase dimming zones it should be much easier to design the algorithm. In fact, if you had one LED per pixel, there is no longer a need for an algorithm. You would just feed the backlight unit with a grayscale video signal and it would match perfectly. The problem is that it costs a lot of money to do it correctly and TVs must be cheap.